Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georges wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Bruno says that: a) I am a machine. b) ...no man can grasp all aspect of man Tom says that to philosophize is one aspect of humanness that is more than a machine (i.e. simply following a set of instructions). Jef and Brent

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: We can't JUST DO things (like AI). Whenever we DO things, we are THINKING ABOUT them. I'd venture to say that HOW WE THINK ABOUT THINGS (e.g. philosophy, epistemology, etc.) is even MORE important that DOING THINGS (engineering, sales, etc.). That is one way of looking

Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 08-févr.-06, à 22:55, Russell Standish a écrit : On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:17:05PM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Hi, we (as observer) perceive at any given time a finite amount of information... so what you could know (still as an observer of a system) is finite, hence digitalisable

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 09-févr.-06, à 07:22, Kim Jones a écrit : I was just about to ask what an angel was! You must have read my mind, Bruno. Non-machine-emulable is angel. OK. Why do they(?) have to be called angel? Can one liken them(?) to the theological description of an angel or is there some other

Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:05:48PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: A UD can generate the set of all random strings, but it still needs to select a single string to be equivalent to a Geiger counter. AFAIK, this is impossible for a Turing machine ... Not if the UD (which is a turing machine)

Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russel, Interleaving some comments... - Original Message - From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Everything-List List everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Artificial Philosophizing On Thu,

Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:49:24PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote: * @Article{Seznec-Sendrier03, author = {Andr\'e Seznec and Nicolas Sendrier}, title = {{HAVEGE}: A user-level software heuristic for generating empirically strong random numbers}, journal = {{ACM} Transactions on

Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Kim Jones
Best of all - try a washing machine. Get all your wife's stockings and throw them loosely into the washing machine and switch it on for one cycle. When you see the state of entanglement of everything at the end you will understand genuine randomness. Kim Jones On 10/02/2006, at 10:18