Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-juin-06, à 21:06, John M a écrit : > "I agree. Other people are part of the model of the > world we form. And in the same way the existence of > myself, as a durable entity, is also a part of that > model. > Brent Meeker" > * > Does this agreed double(?) statement not rub too close > on

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-juin-06, à 21:34, Brent Meeker a écrit : >> John M: >> Does this agreed double(?) statement not rub too close >> on solipsism? > > Not if you accept that *all* our ideas of reality are models. The > fact that they work well and are > coherent makes me believe they are models of an exter

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-juin-06, à 20:43, Brent Meeker a écrit : > Bruno Marchal wrote: > There is no false 1-memories. Only an association between some > 1-memory and some 3-reality can be false. If someone succeeds in > implementing correctly (more than just coherently) false beliefs (like > I am Napoleon just

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes:   > > OK, this is the old ASSA versus RSSA distinction. But leaving this> > argument aside, I don't see how teleportation could be analogous to a> > risky, measure reducing activity if it seemed to be a reliable process> > from a third person perspective. If someone plays Russi

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 30-juin-06, à 21:06, John M a écrit : > > >>"I agree. Other people are part of the model of the >>world we form. And in the same way the existence of >>myself, as a durable entity, is also a part of that >>model. >>Brent Meeker" >>* >>Does this agreed double(?) sta

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 30-juin-06, à 21:34, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > > >>>John M: >>>Does this agreed double(?) statement not rub too close >>>on solipsism? >> >>Not if you accept that *all* our ideas of reality are models. The >>fact that they work well and are >>coherent makes me be

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread James N Rose
The notions of observed/observing, of first vs third, and all such round robin banter .. all fall down as nonsense conversation because -no one- has in any real sense specified the new-functions required to make such concepts ... a "calculus". There are conflated criteria involved - as well as a

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 30-juin-06, à 20:43, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > >>Bruno Marchal wrote: >>There is no false 1-memories. Only an association between some >>1-memory and some 3-reality can be false. If someone succeeds in >>implementing correctly (more than just coherently) false belie

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread James N Rose
Addendum to my previous: TO make math sensitive to frame of reference distinctions and useful in an expanded way added parameter-dimensions might be useful. Color coding for example. With new translation operators. Equations written in red might indicate that attention be maintained that the v

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread John M
Jamie, your highly critical post is worthwhile reading. I like your antithesis for 'reductive operands' and would almost like what you wrote: > "Personal Identity" is a de-fault resultant of the > structure of the universe.< unless I had this idiosyncrasy against axioms, givens, accepted de-faul

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis wrote > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:53 AM > which is why in symmetrical duplication experiments I anticipate > that I will become one of the duplicates with equal probability. What do you think of your survival chances if you happen to know that after you fall asleep tonight, you w

RE: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Tom writes > The difference between a quark and a lepton can be described with > mathematics, even though perhaps it's harder to pin down than the > difference between 3 and 34. I think most of us wouldn't have a > crucial problem with that. But alas the difference between 3 and 34 is > in the

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-01 Thread Tom Caylor
Lee Corbin wrote: > Tom writes > > > The difference between a quark and a lepton can be described with > > mathematics, even though perhaps it's harder to pin down than the > > difference between 3 and 34. I think most of us wouldn't have a > > crucial problem with that. But alas the difference

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Hal writes > What I argued was that it would be easier to find the trace of a person's > thoughts in a universe where he had a physically continuous record than > where there were discontinuities (easier in the sense that a smaller > program would suffice). In my framework, this means that the u

RE: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Stephen writes > > In my previous post I tried to point out that *existence* is not a > > first-order (or n-th order) predicate and thus does nothing to distinguish > > one Form, Number, Algorithm, or what-have-you from another. > > [LC] > I don't know about that; I do know that 34 and 3 are