Re: Consciousness and Consistency

2007-06-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 12-juin-07, à 21:33, Tom Caylor a écrit : > Is not "Dt?" equal to "the search for truth"? "Dt?" could *hopefully* be *part* of "the search for truth". Unsound machines can be consistent yet false (in the usual arithmetical sense). > But the weakness of > simple consistency is the unans

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, I am going to have to be a bit targetted in my responses I am a TAD whelmed at the moment. COLIN >> 4) Belief in 'magical emergence' qualitative novelty of a kind utterly unrelated to the componentry. RUSSEL > The latter clause refers to "emergence" (without the "magical" > qual

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Quentin Anciaux
On Sunday 17 June 2007 02:02:28 Colin Hales wrote: > "What is the kind of universe we must live in if the electromagnetic field > structure of the brain delivers qualia?" > > A. It is NOT the universe depicted by the qualia (atoma, molecules, > cells...). It is the universe whose innate capacity t

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 10:02:28AM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi, > I am going to have to be a bit targetted in my responses I am a TAD > whelmed at the moment. > > COLIN > >> 4) Belief in 'magical emergence' qualitative novelty of a kind > utterly unrelated to the componentry. >

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, RUSSEL > All I can say is that I don't understand your distinction. You have introduced a new term "necessary primitive" - what on earth is that? But I'll let this pass, it probably isn't important. COLIN Oh no you don't!! It matters. Bigtime... Take away the necessary primitive: no 'qualit

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: > Hi, > > RUSSEL >> All I can say is that I don't understand your distinction. You have > introduced a new term "necessary primitive" - what on earth is that? But > I'll let this pass, it probably isn't important. > > COLIN > Oh no you don't!! It matters. Bigtime... > > Take

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-16 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Quentin, > "What is the kind of universe we must live in if the electromagnetic field > structure of the brain delivers qualia?" > > A. It is NOT the universe depicted by the qualia (atoma, molecules, > cells...). It is the universe whose innate capacity to deliver qualia is > taken advantage