Re: Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe

2009-06-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/6/2 Jason Resch : > > I think these interviews provide a nice summary of his views: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mfbUhs2PVY I can't say I've ever seen a more extreme example of a narcissist. -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~---

Re: Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe

2009-06-02 Thread ronaldheld
Bruno: Since I program in Fortran, I am uncertain how to interpret things. Ronald On May 31, 1:02 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 30 May 2009, at 23:08, rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Has anyone on this list ever heard of this?  A theory of reality >

The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, Hi Marty and others, So it is perhaps time to do some math. Obviously, once we are open to the idea that the fundamental reality could be mathematical, it is normal to take some time to do some mathematics. Many people seems also to agree here that the computationalist hypothesis co

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-06-02 Thread Kelly Harmon
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> BUT, if there is significant suffering likely in the worlds where I >> lose, I might very well focus making a choice that will minimize that >> suffering. In which case I will generally not base much of my >> decision on the "probabil

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Thank you for starting this discussion. I have only joined recently and have little knowledge of your research. To see it laid out in the sequence you describe should make it clear to me what it is all about. I'm particularly interested in the interaction between consciousness and computatio

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Bruno Marchal skrev: > 4) The set of all natural numbers. This set is hard to define, yet I > hope you agree we can describe it by the infinite quasi exhaustion by > {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}. > Let N be the biggest number in the set {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}. Exercise: does the number N+1 belongs to the

RE: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Jesse Mazer
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:43:59 +0200 > From: tor...@dsv.su.se > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries > > > Bruno Marchal skrev: >> 4) The set of all natural numbers. This set is hard to define, yet I >> hope you agree we can describe

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2009, at 18:54, Brian Tenneson wrote: > > Thank you for starting this discussion. I have only joined recently > and > have little knowledge of your research. To see it laid out in the > sequence you describe should make it clear to me what it is all about. > > I'm particularly inte

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2009, at 19:43, Torgny Tholerus wrote: > > Bruno Marchal skrev: >> 4) The set of all natural numbers. This set is hard to define, yet I >> hope you agree we can describe it by the infinite quasi exhaustion by >> {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}. >> > > Let N be the biggest number in the set {0, 1, 2,

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Torgny sais he is an ultrafinitist, although in some precedent post, he shows he can be open to usual finitism. Usual finitism is not in conflict with comp, except that it makes the math more difficult, and the theology a bit too formal for my taste. But ultrafinitism is incompatible with co

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Thanks for the links. I'll look over them and hopefully I'll understand what I see. At least if I have questions I can ask though maybe not in this thread. I don't yet know precisely what you mean by a machine but I do have superficial knowledge of Turing machines; I'm assuming there is a r

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
The beauty of all this, Brian, is that the correct (arithmetically) universal machine will never been able to answer the question "are you a machine?", but she (it) will be able to bet she is a (unknown) machine. She will never know which one, and she will refute all theories saying which

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2009, at 18:46, Kelly Harmon wrote: > >> First, in the multiplication experience, the question of your choice >> is not addressed, nor needed. >> The question is really: what will happen to you. You give the right >> answer above. >> > > You're saying that there are no low probabili

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread James Rose
What is the definition of  "a machine"?  I have a sense that there is an intuitive one but not an explicit one, appropriate to the discussions here. James - Original Message From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:29:47 PM Subject: Re:

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread m.a.
Bruno, I appreciate the simplicity of the examples. My answers follow the questions.marty a. - Original Message - From: "Bruno Marchal" > > > = begin > === > > 1) SET > > Informal definition:

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > ... > A set is entirely defined by its elements. Put in another way, we will > say that two sets are equal if they have the same elements. > Exercise 6. Let S be the set {0, 1, 45} and let M be the set described > by {45, 0, 1}. Is it true or false that S is equal to M?

Re: Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe

2009-06-02 Thread russell standish
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:45:22AM -0700, ronaldheld wrote: > > Bruno: >Since I program in Fortran, I am uncertain how to interpret things. > Ronald Maybe if he said Fortran IV or Fortran 66, it might have made the point clearer. I know guys who still pr