Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 27 February 2010 14:59, Rex Allen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: >> On 26 February 2010 16:41, Rex Allen wrote: >>> Could our universe *actually* produce such a being by applying our >>> presumably deterministic laws to any set of initial conditions ov

Re: Definition of universe

2010-02-27 Thread David Nyman
On 8 Feb, 14:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: > The main problem with Tegmark is that he assumes an implicit identity > thesis mind/observer-state which does not work once we assume the > computationalist hypothesis, (and thus cannot work with Everett > Quantum Mechanics either). The weakness of such app

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 27 February 2010 14:59, Rex Allen wrote: >> People can only have beliefs that supervene onto one of the physical >> configurations that it is possible for a human brain to take. What >> determines the set of possible physical brain

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:56 AM, Charles > wrote: > > On Feb 23, 8:42 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> I think >>> it's an example of the radiation arrow of time making a time-reversed >>> process impossible - or maybe just vanishingly impro

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 February 2010 14:59, Rex Allen wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 February 2010 16:41, Rex Allen wrote: Could our universe *actually* produce such a being by applying our presumably deterministic laws to a

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 February 2010 14:59, Rex Allen wrote: People can only have beliefs that supervene onto one of the physical configurations that it is possible for a human brain to take. What determines the set of possi

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 February 2010 05:33, Rex Allen wrote: >> I'm not sure what you're saying here. Is it that peoples' beliefs >> could not be other than what they actually are given initial >> conditions and physical laws?  I suppose that is true, but even in a >> deterministic single universe we generally us

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> Rex Allen wrote: >> >> Note that I am not arguing that this particular belief is an >> impossible belief. What I'm arguing is that evolution doesn't help >> you one way or the other in deciding...because evolution is just a >> mental tool, a

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-27 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 28 February 2010 05:33, Rex Allen wrote: > >>> I'm not sure what you're saying here. Is it that peoples' beliefs >>> could not be other than what they actually are given initial >>> conditions and physical laws? I suppose that is