Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Aug 2011, at 00:23, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Aug 2011, at 13:50, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Aug 2011, at 23:31, benjayk wrote: I won't answer to this post in detail, simply because I find it unsatisfying to discuss details that are very easy

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-29 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Aug 2011, at 00:23, benjayk wrote: > >> >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 28 Aug 2011, at 13:50, benjayk wrote: >>> Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Aug 2011, at 23:31, benjayk wrote: > >> >> I won't answer to this

Re: consciousness

2011-08-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 25.08.2011 12:12 Alberto G.Corona said the following: On Jul 5, 1:07 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Jul 2011, at 11:42, Alberto G.Corona wrote: . Are you sure you don't confuse consciousness and conscience. I think that solitary primitive animals felt pain, and are thus consciouss (althoug

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28/08/2011, at 11:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> You >> are invoking magic. If a cell does *anything* other than exactly what >> the laws of physics and chemistry say that it will do then that is >> magic. It's bad enough that you keep saying this, but it's worse that >> you don't see it or d

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > PS - Someone mentioned "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" to me > today. Are you familiar with agnosia? Is that evidence that partial > zombies conditions with absent actually exist? If not, why not? There are conditions called anos

Re: Dualism?

2011-08-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:00 AM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: On 8/28/2011 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Capillary action is not a violation of the laws of physics. What about substance monism precludes any life form from existing? Also are you saying you are a substance dualist? Hi,

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 28, 11:06 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Craig Weinberg   > > I hear what you're saying, but no, there's an important difference. > > When we encode our programmatic texts on silicon, we get software out > > of it, but that isn't what the chip gets out of it. The si

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.08.2011 14:03 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 28/08/2011, at 11:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: ... Cells are not just physical and chemical. They are biological too. That's what you're not seeing. There is a difference. There's nothing magic about it, it's just that we have a s

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Aug 29, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 28, 11:06 pm, Jason Resch wrote: On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Craig Weinberg I hear what you're saying, but no, there's an important difference. When we encode our programmatic texts on silicon, we get software out of it, bu

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Aug 2011, at 13:01, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: I guess you would change your mind on this if you knew about first order logic. Above the choice of the theory, which can always been considered as emotional, the working *in* the theory, not only does not depend on emotion,

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 29, 9:18 am, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 29.08.2011 14:03 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: > > > On 28/08/2011, at 11:21 PM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > ... > > >> Cells are not just physical and chemical. They are biological too. > >> That's what you're not seeing. There is a diffe

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 29, 10:28 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > A brain also undergoes physical changes just as elaborate and > > intricate (topologically) as the experiences taking place through it, > > I agree with the above. > > > > > yet the brain's changes you attribute to the brain only and not the > > experie

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Aug 29, 10:28 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > A brain also undergoes physical changes just as elaborate and > > > intricate (topologically) as the experiences taking place through it, > > > > I agree with the above. > > > > > > > > > yet

Re: Dualism?

2011-08-29 Thread John Mikes
Stephen and Jason, interesting discours, but you use concepts that beg for my questioning. Dualism may be an observation based on phenomena we misunderstand and explain to the level of "present" theories. A violation of the laws of physics asks: are those "laws' really so true, or only a (statistic

Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 29, 3:21 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Definitely, but the reasons that we have for causing those changes in > > the semiconductor material are not semiconductor logics. They use > > hardware logic to to get the hardware to do softwar