Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sep 14, 4:07 am, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sep 13, 9:25 pm, Jason Resch wrote: Everything that can exist does, for there is no meta-rule prohibiting that object's existen

Re: Singularities in GR

2011-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Jesse, On 9/16/2011 1:58 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: Hi Jesse, Any physically significant boost would act to alter the scale of "Plankian effects", that is what general covariance bas

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 16, 3:41 am, Jason Resch wrote: > On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > > > The more a creature or plant is like what we are, the more 'conscious' > > it will appear to be. > > A system of milk bottles could seem just as conscious as you or I, if > it controlled a human

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> If an >> entity's behaviour is not determined then it is random, and if it not >> random it is determined. > > It's a false dichotomy. Something making choices based on private > criteria is going to look random from the outside. By deter

Re: Singularities in GR

2011-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 16, 7:34 am, "Stephen P. King" wrote: >      I just cannot reconcile in my thinking these two things. Why is it > necessarily the case that the Plank scale is a fundamental lenght scalse > of physical reality and not just some derivative on a minimum ability by > observers and measurements

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread meekerdb
On 9/16/2011 8:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If an entity's behaviour is not determined then it is random, and if it not random it is determined. It's a false dichotomy. Something making choices based on private criteria is going to

Re: Singularities in GR

2011-09-16 Thread meekerdb
On 9/16/2011 8:22 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sep 16, 7:34 am, "Stephen P. King" wrote: I just cannot reconcile in my thinking these two things. Why is it necessarily the case that the Plank scale is a fundamental lenght scalse of physical reality and not just some derivative on a minim

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Sep 2011, at 22:22, meekerdb wrote: On 9/15/2011 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2011, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote: On 9/13/2011 10:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sep 13, 9:38 pm, meekerdb wrote: On 9/13/2011 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The rules are at bottom the laws

Re: 0, + and * => Physical laws ?

2011-09-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Sep 2011, at 23:06, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/15/2011 2:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2011, at 06:13, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/13/2011 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 22:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: To say that complex things can result from very simpl

Re: Singularities in GR

2011-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 16, 2:03 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/16/2011 8:22 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:> On Sep 16, 7:34 am, "Stephen P. > King"  wrote: > > >>       I just cannot reconcile in my thinking these two things. Why is it > >> necessarily the case that the Plank scale is a fundamental lenght scalse > >> of

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 9/15/2011 9:46 PM Bruno Marchal said the following: On 15 Sep 2011, at 21:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 9/15/2011 7:34 PM Bruno Marchal said the following: Hi Evgenii, On 13 Sep 2011, at 21:45, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At present, I am just trying to figure out our beliefs that make

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread meekerdb
On 9/16/2011 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Sep 2011, at 22:22, meekerdb wrote: On 9/15/2011 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2011, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote: On 9/13/2011 10:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sep 13, 9:38 pm, meekerdb wrote: On 9/13/2011 4:07 PM, Craig Weinbe

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 9/15/2011 9:52 PM meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2011 12:20 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 9/15/2011 9:08 PM meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2011 11:40 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I personally do not see a difference in this respect between a cell, for example, and a robot. On my hie

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 16, 3:19 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > "For the good fit between conscious experience and outside reality, the > idealist philosopher Berkley called in God. In this more materialist > age, it is Evolution that we must thank." > > And now is the question. What is difference between "Evoluti

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread meekerdb
On 9/16/2011 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 9/15/2011 9:52 PM meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2011 12:20 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 9/15/2011 9:08 PM meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2011 11:40 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I personally do not see a difference in this respect betwe

Re: bruno list

2011-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 16, 11:11 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > The perceptual frame of semiconductors is so primitive, > > I don't say semiconductors are conscious, I say programs are conscious. That's where I think you are failing to examine the presumpti