Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Roger Granet
Bruno,     Hi.  My responses are: Mathematical truth is in the mind of persons. And assuming we are machine, mathematical truth is in the mind of numbers relatively to numbers. Of course we have to assume all elementary arithmetical truth, like 17 is prime. Do you doubt them? Roger:  When

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 24, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Roger Granet roger...@yahoo.com wrote: Bruno, Hi. My responses are: Mathematical truth is in the mind of persons. And assuming we are machine, mathematical truth is in the mind of numbers relatively to numbers. Of course we have to assume all elementary

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Sep 2011, at 19:13, Pzomby wrote: On Sep 23, 8:41 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Roger, On 23 Sep 2011, at 07:37, Roger Granet wrote: Bruno, Hi. Yes, I am pretty much a materialist/physicalist. So, you cannot defend the idea that the brain (or whatever

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Sep 2011, at 08:12, Roger Granet wrote: Bruno, Hi. My responses are: Mathematical truth is in the mind of persons. And assuming we are machine, mathematical truth is in the mind of numbers relatively to numbers. Of course we have to assume all elementary arithmetical truth,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote: A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value that when Euler's number is raised to the power of (2*Pi*i) the result is 1? Pi has a value which no human has determined, as determinig it requires infinite time and memory. If only those

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote: A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value that when Euler's number is raised to the power of (2*Pi*i) the result is 1? Pi has a value which no human has determined,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2011 11:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote: A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value that when Euler's number is raised to the power of (2*Pi*i) the result is 1? Pi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 2:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 11:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote: A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value that

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2011 1:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 2:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 11:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-09-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
(next installment) On Sep 23, 3:17 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Sep 2011, at 02:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: It is a comparison made by a third person observer of a human presentation against their expectations of said human presentation. Substitution 'level' similarly

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-09-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 1:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 2:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/24/2011 11:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Why UDA proves nothing

2011-09-24 Thread Pierz
OK, so I've read the UDA and I 'get' it, but at the moment I simply can't accept that it is anything like a 'proof'. I keep reading Bruno making statements like If we are machine-emulable, then physics is necessarily reducible to number psychology, but to me there remain serious flaws, not in the

Re: Why UDA proves nothing

2011-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2011 7:20 PM, Pierz wrote: OK, so I've read the UDA and I 'get' it, but at the moment I simply can't accept that it is anything like a 'proof'. I keep reading Bruno making statements like If we are machine-emulable, then physics is necessarily reducible to number psychology, but to me