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Re: Amnesia, dissociation and personal identity

2011-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Nov 2011, at 21:18, meekerdb wrote: On 11/6/2011 1:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Quentin, On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:51, Quentin Anciaux wrote: benjayk: On the other hand, I don't see why we would ignore immortality of consciousness, considering that the "I" is just a psychosocial construct

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-11-07 Thread benjayk
Quentin Anciaux-2 wrote: > >> >> >> >> Quentin Anciaux-2 wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Immortality still means what it means, what you're talking about is >> not >> >> > immortality. If nothing is preserved (no memories) then nothing is >> left >> >> > and >> >> > I don't care. >> >> But is is not true

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-11-07 Thread benjayk
meekerdb wrote: > >> You picture consciousness as something inherently personal. But you can >> be >> conscious without there being any sense of personhood, or any experience >> related to a particular person (like in meditation). So that assumption >> doesn't seems to be true. >> >> Also you

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-11-07 Thread meekerdb
On 11/7/2011 9:50 AM, benjayk wrote: meekerdb wrote: > > How great was that? I don't know. Being a fetus might be a peaceful experience, or like sleep. But the point is that it doesn't matter how great the experience was, So what's your evidence that there is *any* experience of "being a

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-11-07 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> But if you realize that there has never been a person to begin with, > > But this contradicts immediately my present consciousness feeling. I > am currently in the state of wanting to drink water, so I am pretty > sure that there exist right now at least one person

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-11-07 Thread meekerdb
On 11/7/2011 12:02 PM, benjayk wrote: I think we only fear the elimination of personhood because we confuse being conscious as an ego with being conscious. We somehow think that if we in the state of feeling to be a seperate individual cease to exist, we as conscious beings cease to exist, which

Re: Amnesia, dissociation and personal identity (was: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation)

2011-11-07 Thread John Mikes
To Qentin: "DEATH" an excellent vaiation for immoprtality. I always emphasize that ETERNITY is NOT a "time" indicator, can most likely be timeless ("POOF" it is over). To Bruno: we wrote already about your 2c question "WHO ARE WE?" and you answered something like "Gods". That may be a cheap shot,