On 17 Sep 2014, at 2:54 pm, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But why is consciousness or understanding the argument the
relevant attribute of us? Why not breathes oxygnen or
metabolized carbohydrates?
The anthropic argument is based on the brute fact of being. I take
this as
On 16 Sep 2014, at 19:09, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
If plants and ant colonies (animals) are so darn smart, one of their
best moves would be to cut a deal with the human species, something
mutually, beneficial. I hold that great silence indicates that no,
plants and ants ain't
On 16 Sep 2014, at 22:59, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
although I donot want to participate in the discussion of Russel's
paper, may I pick out a Brent(?) par :
(BrM)...I don't understand. How is having DNA relevant to having
consciousness? It is quite plausible that non-DNA-based forms
On 17 Sep 2014, at 05:46, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:21:04PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Russell, Hi Others,
Sorry for the delay. Some comments on your (Russell) MGA paper
appear below.
Incidentally, when you see the complexity of the interaction between
the
On 17 Sep 2014, at 06:24, meekerdb wrote:
OOPS! I hit send when I intended to close my email. So here's
another try at replying.
On 9/16/2014 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Russell, Hi Others,
Sorry for the delay. Some comments on your (Russell) MGA paper
appear below.
On 25 Aug
Yes, but its is to the other species benefit, in the genetic, Darwinian sense,
to communicate and cut a deal! Perhaps, honey bees would be happy to cut a deal
between their hives and humans, but so far no tweets from the bees, or the
birds either. The smart but not conscious proposition seems
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Consciousness is “all or nothing”.
Then why can't you remember the split second before you fall asleep? If
it's all or nothing why would anybody say stay alert instead of stay
awake?
It is supported by computation (or
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
There might be non relationship between consciousness and smartness.
If there is not a relationship between consciousness and smartness then
Darwin was wrong, but there is no evidence that Darwin was wrong and there
is a
2014-09-17 19:09 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au
wrote:
Consciousness is “all or nothing”.
Then why can't you remember the split second before you fall asleep? If
it's all or nothing why would anybody say stay
On 9/17/2014 12:35 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 2:54 pm, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But why is consciousness or understanding the argument the
relevant attribute of us? Why not breathes oxygnen or
metabolized carbohydrates?
The
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
there are degrees of consciousness, but there are absolutely no degree of
unconsciousness.
I agree with that. Like consciousness there are lots of positive numbers
greater than zero but only one number equal to zero,
On 9/17/2014 12:14 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote:
there are degrees of consciousness, but there are absolutely no degree of
unconsciousness.
I agree with that. Like consciousness there are
Quentin and other 'consciousness' imperatives:
does that mean that if someone (temporarily) loses consciousness (e.g. by
falling asleep, being anaesthesized, or blown on the head etc.) is
equivalent of dying? How are we resurrected from death when we wake up to
consciousness anewes?
John M
On
On 9/17/2014 6:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That does not follow, as thermostat are not universal, and in particular have no
universal goal, like do anything to surivive, like amoeba and most animals and plants,
which are Turing universal, and have that universal goal.
If you refer
On 9/17/2014 6:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 06:24, meekerdb wrote:
OOPS! I hit send when I intended to close my email. So here's another try at
replying.
On 9/16/2014 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Russell, Hi Others,
Sorry for the delay. Some comments on your
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:09:38PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Consciousness is “all or nothing”.
Then why can't you remember the split second before you fall asleep? If
it's all or nothing why would anybody say
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 03:30:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 05:46, Russell Standish wrote:
I tend to think that thermostat are not conscious. They are not
universal.
So adding a universal machine to a thermostat makes it conscious? The
Nest smart sensors are
On 9/17/2014 5:02 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:09:38PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Consciousness is “all or nothing”.
Then why can't you remember the split second before you fall asleep? If
On 9/17/2014 5:27 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 03:30:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 05:46, Russell Standish wrote:
I tend to think that thermostat are not conscious. They are not
universal.
So adding a universal machine to a thermostat makes it
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