Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 22, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The polar ice has been shifting from north to south for decades. The losses and gains essentially balance out. I know, and as far as sea levels are concerned the southern polar ice cap is far more important than the northern one; the

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2015 1:44 PM, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own agnosticism. Now I get tired of all that fairitale-discussion and ask some questions. LizR asked: */'Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do? /* I start

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own agnosticism. Now I get tired of all that fairitale-discussion and ask some questions. LizR asked: *'Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do? * I start earlier:* Does God give any suggestions why we

Re: Something to Argue over

2015-05-23 Thread LizR
Brilliant! Thank you for that. :-) Although if I was being pedantic, I might point out that Norway's Eurovision entry is actually this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Monster_Like_Me (Not half as good, at a guess...) On 23 May 2015 at 13:53, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread Pierz
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 2:14:07 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 May 2015, at 10:34, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Friday, May 22, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 May 2015, at 01:53, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Jason Resch

Re: Something to Argue over

2015-05-23 Thread LizR
Actually it's OK - the food fight at the end's quite fun! On 23 May 2015 at 20:56, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Brilliant! Thank you for that. :-) Although if I was being pedantic, I might point out that Norway's Eurovision entry is actually this:

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia errata

2015-05-23 Thread meekerdb
OOPS. I meant ...randomly means NOT in accordance... On 5/22/2015 11:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: And note that in this context randomly means in accordance with nomologically determined causal probabilities. It doesn't necessarily mean deterministically. Brent -- You received this message

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/22/2015 11:06 PM, Pierz wrote: I suspect you're wrong. In the case of the recording, the movie might still pass the Turing test /if we invert the flukey coincidence/ and allow the possibility the questioner might ask questions that exactly correspond to the responses that the film

The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-23 Thread Pierz
Some time ago on this list I had a fascinating exchange with Bruno that has stayed with me, fuelling some attacks of 4am philosophical insomnia - an affliction I imagine I'm not the only person on this list to suffer from! If you try to nail Bruno down on some aspects of his theory, he has a

Re: Something to Argue over

2015-05-23 Thread LizR
I should have posted a link to the video. Nothing like as good as the one you posted, but as I said the end's quite fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1td70yaoS8 On 23 May 2015 at 21:00, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Actually it's OK - the food fight at the end's quite fun! On 23 May 2015

Re: What is really real?

2015-05-23 Thread LizR
I'm always suspicious when someone starts by dissing everyone else in their field. (It didn't work for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, after all...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread Samiya Illias
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth and hence are

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-23 Thread LizR
I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant for all observers. I can see that it would lead to a sort of super-anthropic-selection effect, but surely all possible observers should exist somewhere in arithmetic, including ones who observe different physics (that is

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:15 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/22/2015 11:06 PM, Pierz wrote: I suspect you're wrong. In the case of the recording, the movie might still pass the Turing test *if we invert the flukey coincidence* and allow the possibility the questioner might

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 May 2015, at 15:53, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 May 2015 at 14:45, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 18,

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 19 May 2015, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Not necessarily, just as an actor may not be conscious in the

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 23, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: While reading the Quran this morning Were you looking for loopholes? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-23 Thread Pierz
On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:36:40 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote: I'm not sure why comp would predict that physical laws are invariant for all observers. I can see that it would lead to a sort of super-anthropic-selection effect, but surely all possible observers should exist somewhere in

Re: Physicists Are Philosophers, Too

2015-05-23 Thread Samiya Illias
John M, I'm not sure I understand your questions. Can you kindly quote #1, #17 #18 so that I can try to respond to it? By the way, this thread started with a discussion about global warming, and I shared a news from European Space Agency regarding Glacial Melt in Antarctica. Is that an

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-23 Thread Pierz
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:07:15 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript: wrote: On 19 May 2015, at 15:53, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: