Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-02 Thread David Nyman
On 2 Oct 2017 1:58 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: Dear Evgenii, On 28 Sep 2017, at 21:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Long time ago you have discussed Maudlin's paper. At that time I somehow did not get interested. Yet, other day I have got strong feeling that I must read

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Oct 2017, at 00:45, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​just ask him to describe from a 1st pov what happens... like this:​ I'm in helsinki, I'm in front of a button, I close my eyes, I push on the button, and I open my

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Oct 2017, at 02:19, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>​ That is why you don't listen to the copies. They are elves in Santa Clause's shop ​As I said the copies have nothing to do will it. The elves in Santa Clause's shop

Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Evgenii, On 28 Sep 2017, at 21:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Long time ago you have discussed Maudlin's paper. At that time I somehow did not get interested. Yet, other day I have got strong feeling that I must read Maudlin's paper right now. I guess this could be explained by

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Sep 2017, at 19:51, Terren Suydam wrote: ​Then why can't anybody *ever* tell me if that ​ one stream of consciousness​ is in Moscow or Washington?​ Congratulations, you just discovered the first-person indeterminacy. I'll get the champagne. If you drink champagne each time John

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Sep 2017, at 20:23, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: ​> ​There's one stream of consciousness.​ ​And you correctly realized that nobody can *ever* tell you if that one stream of consciousness is in Moscow or in

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Sep 2017, at 20:02, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: ​​>> ​Then why can't anybody *ever* tell me if that ​ one stream of consciousness​ is in Moscow or Washington?​ ​> ​Congratulations, you just discovered the