Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/7/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: What isn't clear yet to me is how experience (that which one experiences in a phenomenal sense) comes out of pure information. (They can be simulated, but not realized.) If experientiality itself a property of the "hardware" (matter) and

The hard problem of matter

2018-10-07 Thread Philip Thrift
Matter is a mystery. Some think that there's a hard problem of consciousness [1]. But actually, there's a hard problem of matter [2,3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/opinion/consciousness-isnt-a-mystery-its-matter.html

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-07 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 10:35:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Oct 2018, at 15:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > Matter is a mystery. Some think that there's a hard problem of > consciousness [1]. But actually, there's a hard problem of matter [2,3]. > > > [1]

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-07 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 1:00:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 10:35:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2018, at 15:55, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Matter is a mystery. Some think that there's a hard problem of >> consciousness

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Oct 2018, at 15:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Matter is a mystery. Some think that there's a hard problem of consciousness > [1]. But actually, there's a hard problem of matter [2,3]. > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness > [2] >