Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread John Clark
I think it depends on if the Planck Length and Planck Time have physical significance, it they do then spacetime is not continuous and Real Numbers are not real; but if spacetime is smooth and continuous as the data from Gamma Ray Bursters seems to indicate then Real Numbers are real and there is

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *> The Planck unit of length and time does not mean space or spacetime is > discrete. All it means is this is the smallest scale one can localize a > quantum bit of information. It does not mean that

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/30/2019 2:29 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: /> The Planck unit of length and time does not mean space or spacetime is discrete. All it means is this is the smallest scale one can

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 3:08:42 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > I think it depends on if the Planck Length and Planck Time have physical > significance, it they do then spacetime is not continuous and Real Numbers > are not real; but if spacetime is smooth and continuous as the data

Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread Philip Thrift
https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.06824 (V2: several *mineurs* changes ) ! Indeterminism in Physics, Classical Chaos and Bohmian Mechanics. Are Real Numbers Really Real? Nicolas Gisin (Submitted on 19 Mar 2018 (v1

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: /> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/30/2019 1:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

2019-11-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > *> The Planck unit of length and time does not mean space or spacetime is >> discrete. All it means is this is the smallest scale one can localize a >>

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2019 1:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at