Re: Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 14 Dec 2013, at 15:08, Roger Clough wrote:


Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.



The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to  
the overall or Cosmic Mind


The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it  
forces us to

think that there is a fleshly homunculus inside our brains.

Leibniz has a more complicated understanding of particular minds and  
how they relate to Cosmic Mind.


In Leibniz's metaphysics, there is only one mind (the Perceiver or  
Cosmic Mind or God or the One)



The One, or the outer god, is not a perceiver. The inner god is.



that perceives and acts, doing this through the Supreme (most  
dominant) monad.



The universal numbers. OK.




It perceives the whole universe with perfect clarity.



OK for the outer god. (It is trivial. Arithmetical truth "sees" the  
whole arithmetical truth with perfect clarity).


The inner god still see the truth perfectly, but no more completely.






Only it can perceive and act, because its monads (which includes our  
minds) have no windows.
The monads (our minds) perceive only indirectly, as the Supreme  
Monad is the only

--what we would call-- "conscious" mind.

The outer god is not a "monad" I think, in the comp "theology". Nor an  
actor. Only the inner God knows and act. I think.


They are the same God, but looking through different window. Monads  
have no windows? Monads are sort of windows.





We only think and perceive indirectly,
as the Supreme Monad continually and instantly updates its universe of
monads. Thus there is no problem communing with God (the Cosmic  
Mind , the One)
as we do so continually and necessarily, although only according to  
our own abilities

and perspectives .

I might be OK. But the universal machine is not a "god", just the  
"man", and he the one doing the updates. God don't mess to much with  
it, except for making it consistent and probable. Apparently, with  
comp, and standard definition.





That we ourselves, not God (or Cosmic Mind, the One), appear to be  
the perceiver is thus only apparent.


Also, because Cosmic Mind sees the entire universe as viewed by a  
kaleidoscope of
individual monads, the perceptions it returns to us contains not  
only what

we see (the universe from our own individual perspectives) but the
perceptions of all of the other monads. Thus each monad knows  
everything
in the universe, but only from its own perspective, and monads being  
monads,

not perfectly clear but distorted.



That makes sense with monad = number (conceived intensionally, like i  
in "phi_i").

Suprem monad = universal number
Outer god = arithmetical truth  (something highly NOT computable)
Inner god = the authentic first person (the conjunction of belief and  
truth, the fixed point of doubt, ...).


The inner god's "growing" beliefs (in arithmetic) is also not  
computable in general, but its proposition logic is decidable.


I just try to make sense of what you say, in the simpler frame of the  
Monism of Plotinus, or its translation in arithmetic. In this case  
Leibniz is again close to Plotinus, at least if you distinguish God  
from the "supreme monads".


Bruno







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Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.

2013-12-14 Thread Roger Clough
 
Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.


The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall 
or Cosmic Mind

The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to
think that there is a fleshly homunculus inside our brains.

Leibniz has a more complicated understanding of particular minds and how they 
relate to Cosmic Mind.

In Leibniz's metaphysics, there is only one mind (the Perceiver or Cosmic Mind 
or God or the One) 
that perceives and acts, doing this through the Supreme (most dominant) monad.
It perceives the whole universe with perfect clarity. 

Only it can perceive and act, because its monads (which includes our minds) 
have no windows.
The monads (our minds) perceive only indirectly, as the Supreme Monad is the 
only
--what we would call-- "conscious" mind. We only think and perceive indirectly,
as the Supreme Monad continually and instantly updates its universe of
monads. Thus there is no problem communing with God (the Cosmic Mind , the One)
as we do so continually and necessarily, although only according to our own 
abilities
and perspectives .

That we ourselves, not God (or Cosmic Mind, the One), appear to be the 
perceiver is thus only apparent.

Also, because Cosmic Mind sees the entire universe as viewed by a kaleidoscope 
of
individual monads, the perceptions it returns to us contains not only what
we see (the universe from our own individual perspectives) but the
perceptions of all of the other monads. Thus each monad knows everything
in the universe, but only from its own perspective, and monads being monads,
not perfectly clear but distorted.


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