Re: On objective and subjective forms of perceptions

[Stephen P. King]

On 11/5/2012 9:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Stephen P. King

No, the 3p view is what is there then, or there-then.
Anything objective, such as some algorithm,
could be spoke of as within the 3p.


Dear ROger,

'Where' and 'when' are meaningless unless specified. This renders 
3p empty unless it can be a 1p of some entity.




The 1p view is subjective (here, now or here-now).
Thus the buddhists, yogis and mystics advise
us to be "here now". Buddhists I think call that
mindfulness.


Yes, by definition.



Leibniz treats 1p in a somewhat more complicated
way as actually being objective, not only in
the form of snapshots, but as snapshots taken
from all the other monads in the universe, ie
"perceptions".


Yes, monads = percepts for Leibniz


Leibniz also speaks of perceptions of the perceptions
as "apperceptions", but I have not completely figured these out.
The bottom line is that the apperceptions are what we
"normally" see and identify of as actual in the usual sense.


I think that L's apperceptions 
 are "the process by which 
new experience is assimilated to and transformed by the residuum of past 
experience of an individual to form a new whole." and "the introspective 
or reflective apprehension by the mind of its own inner states."

These are the internal dynamics of Monads.



Roger Clough,rclo...@verizon.net  
11/5/2012

"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen



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Stephen

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On objective and subjective forms of perceptions

[Roger Clough]

Hi Stephen P. King  

No, the 3p view is what is there then, or there-then.
Anything objective, such as some algorithm,
could be spoke of as within the 3p. 

The 1p view is subjective (here, now or here-now).
Thus the buddhists, yogis and mystics advise
us to be "here now". Buddhists I think call that
mindfulness. 

Leibniz treats 1p in a somewhat more complicated
way as actually being objective, not only in
the form of snapshots, but as snapshots taken 
from all the other monads in the universe, ie
"perceptions".

Leibniz also speaks of perceptions of the perceptions
as "apperceptions", but I have not completely figured these out.
The bottom line is that the apperceptions are what we 
"normally" see and identify of as actual in the usual sense.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
11/5/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-11-04, 16:11:44 
Subject: Re: Communicability 


On 11/4/2012 11:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>>> 
>>> The body problem *is* the result, and does constitute the conceptual  
>>> explantion of why we believe in bodies, despite the lack of it in  
>>> the ontology. 
>> 
>> Well, do you want this problem to be solvable? 
> 
> Sure. And AUDA is a beginning of the solution, in a manner which makes  
> possible to distinguish precisely the difference between  
> "terrestrial/objective" and "divine/subjective", that the the many 1p  
> and 3p views. 
Dear Bruno, 

 But there is no an absolute 3p view! Such would be the 'view' of  
God and the Kolmogorov minimum algorithm that specified it would be  
God's name! 

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Stephen 


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