Re: Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
ubject: Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 05:40:10AM -0600, Roger Clough wrote: > > The more interesting question is how the physical universe could have > been created out of the nonphysical, which I take to be intelligence. > Ther

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Stephen Lin
Reminds me of something I heard once "The best joke in the universe is that science will win every battle but religion won the war before it even began." On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 11/15/2012 7:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 11/15/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen P. King w

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 05:40:10AM -0600, Roger Clough wrote: > > The more interesting question is how the physical universe could have > been created out of the nonphysical, which I take to be intelligence. > There are many accounts of how something (the universe) could have arisen from nothi

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
-15, 10:45:18 Subject: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion Hi Stephen P. King He's got his work cut out for him, not so much as casting doubt on other's theories, but in explaining all of the data obtained with alternate theorie. In which case, the Big Bang simply

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
2012-11-15, 15:55:10 Subject: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 05:20:14AM -0600, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno and Russell, > > The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: > Of course, but the big bang is not the same th

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 9:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 8:05 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: ?? Speaking without permission of the judge may be illegal in open court. Why is that the standard for anything? If you think Hogan has some insight into cosmology, let's hear it. I'm certainly not going to

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2012 8:05 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: ?? Speaking without permission of the judge may be illegal in open court. Why is that the standard for anything? If you think Hogan has some insight into cosmology, let's hear it. I'm certainly not going to waste my money on his book. My

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 8:21 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 7:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough w

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2012 6:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 7:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The eviden

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 7:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example:

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astrono

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html Hi Roger, I invite you t

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 11:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King He's got his work cut out for him, not so much as casting doubt on other's theories, but in explaining all of the data obtained with alternate theorie. In which case, the Big Bang simply happened another way than that taught. Dear

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 08:55:10AM +1100, Russell Standish wrote: > > Actually, according to Wikipedia: > > Though the universe might in theory have a longer history, the > International Astronomical Union [4] presently use "age of the > universe" to mean the duration of the Lambda-CDM expansion,

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 05:20:14AM -0600, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno and Russell, > > The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: > Of course, but the big bang is not the same thing as the beginning of the universe. Also, the cosmic microwave background, which is the direct o

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2012 6:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html Hi Roger, I invite you to read James P. Hogan's /Kicking the Sac

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-15, 06:41:21 Subject: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Rog

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno and Russell, The evidence of a Big Bang is enormous. See, for example: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html Hi Roger, I invite you to read James P. Hogan's /Kicking the Sacred Cow/

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-12 Thread John Mikes
P scans the >>> cosmos with its ultra sensitive microwave receiver, mapping any small >>> variations in the background temperature (anisotropy) of the universe. It >>> can detect microwave radiation in the wavelength range of 3.3-13.6 mm >>> (with a corresponding frequency of 90-22

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
quot; -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-10, 17:39:09 Subject: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion Not quite. It has measured that the universe 14 billion year ago was very different from now

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-11 Thread Russell Standish
; > ----- Receiving the following content - > From: Russell Standish > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-11-10, 17:39:09 > Subject: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion > > > Not quite. It has measured that the universe 14 billion year a

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-11 Thread Roger Clough
tent - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-10, 17:39:09 Subject: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion Not quite. It has measured that the universe 14 billion year ago was very different from now, ie very hot and dense. All else is theory - som

Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-10 Thread Russell Standish
Not quite. It has measured that the universe 14 billion year ago was very different from now, ie very hot and dense. All else is theory - some theories have a beginning, others don't. Cheers On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:50:38AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Science has meaured the