Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 22:11 -0700 22/07/2002, H J Ruhl wrote: Is it possible to sustain a no information Everything if there is a selection in which this latter ensemble is the only generators subject to such noise? The very concept of any selection within the Everything necessarily places information within

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 10:25 -0700 22/07/2002, Hal Finney wrote: [snip] To sum up, I agree with Bruno (I think) on the following points: - Functional substitution is adequate to maintain consciousness OK. (We suppose the functional substitution is done at *some* right level) - Mental states must be

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread jamikes
my 2000 text in this sense. John Mikes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pages.prodigy.net/jamikes; - Original Message - From: H J Ruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: Bruno's UDA argument Dear Hal: The idea that the Everything does

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread H J Ruhl
Dear John: I should be more careful when I describe my particular concept of the no information system. It is actually a system that contains the two possible expressions of no information the Nothing [no factuals of any sort] and the Everything [the ensemble of all counterfactuals]. The

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread H J Ruhl
Dear Bruno: I remain confident that there is a link between what we both are saying. I think I must do my homework and closely study your argument. I hope circumstances will allow this. Yours Hal At 7/23/02, you wrote: At 22:11 -0700 22/07/2002, H J Ruhl wrote: Is it possible to sustain a

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-23 Thread H J Ruhl
Dear Hal: At 7/23/02, you wrote: The fact that this requires a relatively large program suggests that there is some substantial information content in the idea of running every program at once. Hal With that I have no issue but my view is that the Everything is an ensemble of

Re: Bruno's UDA argument

2002-07-22 Thread H J Ruhl
Dear Hal: The idea that the Everything does not contain the UD appears self contradictory. That said the Everything as a system is generally thought of by some at least as containing no information. [Otherwise where did this information come from?] To sustain this requirement it must