Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2017-11-19 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM, John Mikes wrote: > ​> ​ > Random is (IMO) out: how would you justify ANY of the physical laws and > their consequences if 'random' occurrences may intrude > ​ Easy, just change from "if X and Y then Z" to "if X and Y then usually Z". In fact that is exactly what

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2017-11-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, September 6, 2013 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > On 9/6/2013 1:02 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Evgeniy, it was a while ago when I read (and enjoyed) David Bohm. > Since then I modified many of my ideas and included 'newer' ideas into > them. I cannot resort to ancient (?) thinker

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2017-11-15 Thread Nicki LovesDogs
Fantastic group. Been looking for people to continue those valuable conversations. I'm listening to them every single day sometimes all day long and deep into the night. Jiddu Krishnamurti is The ultimate philosopher. David Bohm is the only one during his life time who understood him. On Su

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have finished reading the book. As usual, there is no direct answer. Well, p. 220 "freedom is the creative perception of a new order of necessity." Evgenii -- http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/david-bohm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/6/2013 1:02 PM, John Mikes wrote: Evgeniy, it was a while ago when I read (and enjoyed) David Bohm. Since then I modified many of my ideas and included 'newer' ideas into them. I cannot resort to ancient (?) thinkers: our knowledge is evolving. Random is (IMO) out: how would you justify ANY

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-06 Thread John Mikes
Evgeniy, it was a while ago when I read (and enjoyed) David Bohm. Since then I modified many of my ideas and included 'newer' ideas into them. I cannot resort to ancient (?) thinkers: our knowledge is evolving. Random is (IMO) out: how would you justify ANY of the physical laws and their consequenc

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 02.09.2013 20:41 meekerdb said the following: On 9/2/2013 10:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.09.2013 21:52 meekerdb said the following: Unconditioned=random works. I do not think so. I would say that If we say that the unconditioned is random, then it would be foolish for us to try to

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-02 Thread meekerdb
On 9/2/2013 10:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.09.2013 21:52 meekerdb said the following: Unconditioned=random works. I do not think so. I would say that If we say that the unconditioned is random, then it would be foolish for us to try to do anything with the conditioning. ?? How do you

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.09.2013 21:52 meekerdb said the following: Unconditioned=random works. I do not think so. I would say that If we say that the unconditioned is random, then it would be foolish for us to try to do anything with the conditioning. Evgenii Brent On 9/1/2013 6:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-01 Thread meekerdb
Unconditioned=random works. Brent On 9/1/2013 6:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am reading David Bohm, Thought as a System. A few quotes below to the theme that is quite often under discussion here. Evgenii p. 72 “We have to be able to think on this clearly; even though, as I said, that by