Re: Dreams and measure
On 11 Feb 2009, at 18:30, Saibal Mitra wrote: Welcome back Jack Mallah! I have a different argument against QTI. I had a nice dream last night, but unfortunately it suddenly ended. Now, this is empirical evidence against QTI because, according to the QTI, the life expectancy of the version of me simulated in that dream should have been be infinite. The notion of ending makes sense only relatively to something ending latter or not ending. With most definition of first person (including both UDA and AUDA definitions) first person ending just makes no sense. Topologically, life is an open set. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dreams and measure
On 11 Feb 2009, at 21:51, Brent Meeker wrote: Saibal Mitra wrote: Welcome back Jack Mallah! I have a different argument against QTI. I had a nice dream last night, but unfortunately it suddenly ended. Now, this is empirical evidence against QTI because, according to the QTI, the life expectancy of the version of me simulated in that dream should have been be infinite. Of course maybe in some other branch of the multiverse your dream is continuing. That's what makes everything-theories difficult to test. But you raise an interesting point. Everything-theories that suppose consciousness is constituted by the closest continuations need to solve the white rabbit problem. But that solution, whatever it is, would equally apply in dreams. So why don't dreams have the same physics as waking life? Ah! That is a good question. It is equivalent to the first person white rabbit problem (which was the point of the original white rabbit problem in conscience and mécanisme. The answer is that dreams are really stabilized by their relative apparition with respect to deep computations with high measure. For such relativity we need a mechanist notion of first person PLURAL, and then I hope the arithmetical hypostases will confirmed this the working of such notion. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dreams and measure
You were not the simulated one in your dreams, hence you can't say anything about its life expectancy... :) 2009/2/11 Saibal Mitra smi...@zonnet.nl Welcome back Jack Mallah! I have a different argument against QTI. I had a nice dream last night, but unfortunately it suddenly ended. Now, this is empirical evidence against QTI because, according to the QTI, the life expectancy of the version of me simulated in that dream should have been be infinite. -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dreams and measure
Hello again, Saibal! It is good to see that I am not alone here in taking a stand against QS/QI. What do you think of my paper? Is it unclear, convincing, unconvincing? Are there others like us who still post here? Regards, Jack --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dreams and measure
Saibal Mitra wrote: Welcome back Jack Mallah! I have a different argument against QTI. I had a nice dream last night, but unfortunately it suddenly ended. Now, this is empirical evidence against QTI because, according to the QTI, the life expectancy of the version of me simulated in that dream should have been be infinite. Of course maybe in some other branch of the multiverse your dream is continuing. That's what makes everything-theories difficult to test. But you raise an interesting point. Everything-theories that suppose consciousness is constituted by the closest continuations need to solve the white rabbit problem. But that solution, whatever it is, would equally apply in dreams. So why don't dreams have the same physics as waking life? Brent --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dreams and measure
2009/2/12 Saibal Mitra smi...@zonnet.nl: Welcome back Jack Mallah! I have a different argument against QTI. I had a nice dream last night, but unfortunately it suddenly ended. Now, this is empirical evidence against QTI because, according to the QTI, the life expectancy of the version of me simulated in that dream should have been be infinite. If you remember that you had a nice dream then the version of you in the dream is continuing. And if you had forgotten it, there would be other versions of you that didn't, as Brent suggested. -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
