Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 21:56 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:12:35 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you have a good definition of 'cause'? Any change originating from beyond your own direct participation, ie, the consequence of any motive other than your own. The q

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread John Mikes
Evgeniy: Hawkins may require "cause and effect" we just don't know "how many" of those are working? We select in our known model the most likely initiating "cause" while many others may act from the still unknown/unknowable infinite 'complexity' background "out there" (and "in here") as well, some

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:12:35 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > > > Do you have a good definition of 'cause'? > Any change originating from beyond your own direct participation, ie, the consequence of any motive other than your own. Craig -- You received this message because you are sub

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 16:39 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: But then why to talk that every event has a cause? I don't know what you're talking about. I never said everything had a cause, in fact I have a strong hunch that some things happen for no cause b

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > But then why to talk that every event has a cause? > I don't know what you're talking about. I never said everything had a cause, in fact I have a strong hunch that some things happen for no cause but I could be wrong about that. However I am most c

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:42:08PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > By the way, I believe that in Grand Design, Hawkins is talking about > cause and effect. > 5 points on Baez's crackpot index for quoting Hawking's mispelt name: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html (item 8). (Couldn't

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread meekerdb
On 6/17/2012 8:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Collingwood has shown that what we find nowadays as self-evident has started with Kant only (just a bit more than 200 years ago). p. 328 "(a) That every event has a cause, (b) That the cause of an event is a previous event, (c) That (a) and (b) are kn

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.06.2012 17:15 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: For me personally, it is a puzzle why modern physics still needs that every event has a cause. I don't know what you're talking about. Modern physics does not say every event has a caus

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > For me personally, it is a puzzle why modern physics still needs that > every event has a cause. I don't know what you're talking about. Modern physics does not say every event has a cause, in fact it says the exact opposite. John K C