Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Terren Suydam
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:46 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily > successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any > one person's Machiavellian scheme, > > > Then per

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Terren Suydam
; *Time:* 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Hateful > > > Hi Roger, > > What else is it? > > If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can be framed in > terms of group persistence. > > If you're talking about spirituality, whatever one means by t

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Faith is a gift we are unworthy of. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 Subject: Re: Re: Hateful Hi Roger, What else is it? If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can

Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread meekerdb
On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian scheme, Then perhaps you unaware of Joesph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard. rather I t

Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Terren Suydam
am > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-30, 10:22:37 > *Subject:* Re: Hateful > > Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily > successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any > one person'sē‡¤achiavellian

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote: "we do WHOSE will"??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Of course it depends on what you mean by God. If God appears to be he Michelin Man, we have already a problem as the Michelin Man has a name, but

Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Considering religion as a stabilizing social phenomenon is true, but that's not all it is. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 10:22:37 Subject: Re: Hateful Personally, my take on religion is th

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Terren Suydam
Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian scheme, rather I think religion (and other cultural institutions) have been selected for in the evolution of culture. I also te

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/1/30 Stephen P. King > On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote: > > "we do WHOSE will"??? > > I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? > > Are we still happy with our chosen values? > > K > > > Hard for Gozer the Gozerian

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote: "we do WHOSE will"??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K Hard for Gozer the Gozerian to be infinite, eternal, Omnisie

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Kim Jones
"we do WHOSE will"??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K On 30/01/2013, at 4:01 PM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: > On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or sung by the entire student body and staff at a good many schools and other institutions you would have to assume that it's all fundamentally good stuff. Teach us, good Lord, to