Re: Lost and not lost 1 (Plan)

2008-12-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 11/12/2008, at 4:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 10/12/2008, at 4:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> Here, below, is the plan of my heroic attempt (indeed) to explain >>> why >>> I think that: IF we assume that we are machine, >> >> >> Never understood what people meant by "a mach

Re: Lost and not lost 1 (Plan)

2008-12-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, On 10 Dec 2008, at 06:29, Kim Jones wrote: > > Ok - Bruno, I will take this very slowly. It is the idea. I will be very slow myself. > You have a habit of saying > 10,000 fascinating things in one post and staggering me, so one at a > time: I did it on purpose, so as to give you

Re: Lost and not lost 1 (Plan)

2008-12-10 Thread John Mikes
Kim (and Bruno, if you allow me to intrude): Bruno's "IF" depends IMO on how one is defining "machine". Evidently NOT a mechanical contraption driven by 'energy'(?) input and built-in controls that are operated by a 'machinist' of higher consciousness. Then again Descartes? I would call his point

Re: Lost and not lost 1 (Plan)

2008-12-09 Thread Kim Jones
Ok - Bruno, I will take this very slowly. You have a habit of saying 10,000 fascinating things in one post and staggering me, so one at a time: On 10/12/2008, at 4:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Here, below, is the plan of my heroic attempt (indeed) to explain why > I think that: IF we ass