Kim (and Bruno, if you allow me to intrude): Bruno's "IF" depends IMO on how one is defining "machine". Evidently NOT a mechanical contraption driven by 'energy'(?) input and built-in controls that are operated by a 'machinist' of higher consciousness. Then again Descartes? I would call his point a 'machine WITH a ghost' what he calls 'soul'. I would name it a "complexity of machine and function' calling a machine anything that DOES something (even that is questionable). In many minds 'machine' may imply a design. (Just haphazardously, or as the ominous ID?) So, to reflect to Kim's question, "what else?" - could mean: different from what? (Complexity is my word for 'ensemble', because the latter does not postulate any interrrelations - interactive(?) functions(?). ) A machine is not a mere 'ensemble'. Nor is a universe. Maybe my poor French is inadequate. John
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok - Bruno, I will take this very slowly. You have a habit of saying > 10,000 fascinating things in one post and staggering me, so one at a > time: > > On 10/12/2008, at 4:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > Here, below, is the plan of my heroic attempt (indeed) to explain why > > I think that: IF we assume that we are machine, > > > Never understood what people meant by "a machine". I've always thought > I was a machine. C'est evident. Consequently it surprises me when > people question it. I'm surprised even that it took until Descartes to > achieve this enlightenment although you will probably say that > Plotinus was already onto it. Presumably anything that isn't some > phantasm that defies the laws of physics - and therefore probably > cannot exist - is going to be a machine of some sort. > > Have I got anywhere near it or am I not even wrong on that? > > Why should it be news to anyone that we are machines - I've been > assuming it all along. Now you will tell me how I should be - what?? > Experiencing reality? Interpreting reality? Both? > > Everything (appears to my conscious mind to be) an ensemble of > something else(s) including moi et toi, and it all works somehow in co- > operation and the universe exists - ergo we are machines - we can > extrapolate from this that the universe is a gigantic Machine since we > appear to be a part of an ensemble as a machine element. Ergo the > Multiverse exists because it's all a fractal > > > What's the other option - that never made it into my brain? > > > Genial!! - allons-y > > > K > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
