Re: Memories of Kurt Godel

2012-08-03 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 02 Aug 2012, at 23:26, Jason Resch wrote:

I came across this today, which I thought others on this list might  
enjoy


http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2012/08/01/memories-of-kurt-godel/

Among other things Godel mentions a belief in the illusion of time,  
compatibilist free will, Platonism, oneness of reality and mind.


Gödel is very close to the conclusion of mechanism, but he missed both  
Church's thesis and the immaterial consequence of mechanism, so that  
he defended sometimes the idea that mechanism might be wrong (which is  
correct, as mechanism entails that mechanism might be wrong, like  
consistency of PA entails the consistency of the inconsistency of PA).
Yet Gödel was talking on mechanism in the materialist sense, and was  
concerned by fixed non evolving machines. He wrote that Machine can  
overcome some machine's limitation by changing themselves and  
developing, which is the case of the machine as I am considering them  
in the long term. As long as they stay self-referentially correct,  
Gödel's theorem, and all the hypostases, obey the same logic, but the  
arithmetical content of their beliefs change and grow.
Hao Wang wrote nice books on Gödel's philosophy. I appreciate Rudy  
Rucker too.


Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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Re: Memories of Kurt Godel

2012-08-02 Thread Stephen P. King

On 8/2/2012 5:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

I came across this today, which I thought others on this list might enjoy

http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2012/08/01/memories-of-kurt-godel/

Among other things Godel mentions a belief in the illusion of time, 
compatibilist free will, Platonism, oneness of reality and mind.


Jason



Rudy! I love that guy!

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