Re: Re: the love torture
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Religion is about sacrifices. I know, religion is big on sacrifices, especially Christianity, and that's the problem. It seems to me that a good rule of thumb is be suspicious of any religion who's most sacred symbol is a torture device. I suppose if Jesus had been executed in more recent times people would be wearing little gold electric chairs on chains around their neck. the sacrifice of Christ free us from our own sacrifices. So God was so mad at the entire human race (because one of its members ate an apple when told not to) that he was prepared to torture every single one of them for an infinite number of years (but he loves you). And the only way to prevent this is for God to forgive humanity, but even though God can do anything the only way He could make Himself forgive humanity is for humanity to torture His son (who is really Himself) to death. The one and only reason that millions of adult and otherwise sane human beings believe the above load of crap is because mommy and daddy told them that from before they were properly potty trained. And that is why the devote are so keen on early religious training for children, it is the only way to get over the giggle factor. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Re: the love torture
Hi Alberto G. Corona Fanaticism is sometimes part of organized reilgion, at least that's how our liberal atheists in Hollywood portray it. And damaging if you're a child or dumb enough to stay. Bart Ehrman was brought up in such a strict fundamentalist family and as soon as he came into the academic liberal atmosphere, he violently went to attacking religion of any kind - you can see him on Youtube doing that.. Actually it had more to do wigth getting even with your parents. I myself drifted away from my Lutheran roots when I went to college where every body qwas a liberal and few were very religious. Since then gthe Bible brought me back. More recently I heard tell of a woman preacher who suddenly announced to her starteled congfregation that at last she was free, she had becomnwe an atheist. She too was brought up in a strict Baptist family. Many are called, but few are chosen. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-07-10, 17:05:13 Subject: Re: the love torture I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination, and atheists have no organized religion then the religious way of thinking permeate all their lives. I? not trying to be pejorative. But the religious instinct in the primitive sense is not about love and compassion, but the contrary it is about fanaticism and exclusion of these that are not in agreement. And it is about sacrifices to demonstrate the worthiness of each one for the sectarian group. Chiristianity in this sense gives freedom from this primitive, sectarian, sacrifice demanding instinct and canalizes it in positive ways. 2013/7/10 Roger Clough I am amazed these days at the antagonism atheists hold against religion. I suppose it has to be that way, for there is a natural draw of men toward religion. And if their rejection weren't so oversized, they might fall victim to religion-- that is, to learn humility, and be filled, without any worth or work on their own, with faith, hope, and love. How torturous. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Re: the love torture
More recently I heard tell of a woman preacher who suddenly announced to her starteled congfregation that at last she was free, she had becomnwe an atheist. That feeling of freedom is normal. after a while she will fee a vacuum since the religious instinct impulse people to meet people with similar worldviews and for logical reasons. Men can not live alone. The problem is that if this process is not organized it manifest itself in the most brutal ways. And the primitive unorganized way to do this is trough sacrifices, where freedom is the first sacrifice. I like the worlds of a Christian converted from Islam Moseb Hassan Yousef, son of the leader of the muslim brotherhood, and former terrorist itself, thus said: Christ free us from religion. Any kind or religion Islam, Satanism, communism or christianism. And this is the true meaning of the sacrifice of Christ. humans are religious because they are social and Religion is about sacrifices. the sacrifice of Christ free us from our own sacrifices. Whoever does not believe in Christ must realize sacrifices for the other nonbelievers of his community. 2013/7/10 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi Alberto G. Corona Fanaticism is sometimes part of organized reilgion, at least that's how our liberal atheists in Hollywood portray it. And damaging if you're a child or dumb enough to stay. Bart Ehrman was brought up in such a strict fundamentalist family and as soon as he came into the academic liberal atmosphere, he violently went to attacking religion of any kind - you can see him on Youtube doing that.. Actually it had more to do wigth getting even with your parents. I myself drifted away from my Lutheran roots when I went to college where every body qwas a liberal and few were very religious. Since then gthe Bible brought me back. More recently I heard tell of a woman preacher who suddenly announced to her starteled congfregation that at last she was free, she had becomnwe an atheist. She too was brought up in a strict Baptist family. Many are called, but few are chosen. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-07-10, 17:05:13 Subject: Re: the love torture I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination, and atheists have no organized religion then the religious way of thinking permeate all their lives. I? not trying to be pejorative. But the religious instinct in the primitive sense is not about love and compassion, but the contrary it is about fanaticism and exclusion of these that are not in agreement. And it is about sacrifices to demonstrate the worthiness of each one for the sectarian group. Chiristianity in this sense gives freedom from this primitive, sectarian, sacrifice demanding instinct and canalizes it in positive ways. 2013/7/10 Roger Clough I am amazed these days at the antagonism atheists hold against religion. I suppose it has to be that way, for there is a natural draw of men toward religion. And if their rejection weren't so oversized, they might fall victim to religion-- that is, to learn humility, and be filled, without any worth or work on their own, with faith, hope, and love. How torturous. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https
