Re: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion
Hi Stephen P. King So what's Kant supposed to say ? I'm not sure if this is true, but it would benefit me if you agree to it ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-15, 15:42:09 Subject: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion On 12/15/2012 2:42 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen P. King > The a priori are simply assumptions made before > performing a deduction which would be impossible to do > without the assumptions. An example would be that arithmetic > is true. > If you can do without an a priori, you could be a celebrated > theorist, if even that word is the proper one. Hi Roger, OK, in that context I agree with you. But what inevitably happens is that people take the rule of thumb use of a priori and treat it as a universal mandate! I am OK with pedagological use of a priori, but this is not what kant did. He treated the a priori as a universal mandate. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion
Hi Stephen P. King The a priori are simply assumptions made before performing a deduction which would be impossible to do without the assumptions. An example would be that arithmetic is true. If you can do without an a priori, you could be a celebrated theorist, if even that word is the proper one. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-15, 13:29:21 Subject: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion On 12/15/2012 12:59 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King - I believe with Kant that conciousness has structure (the categories) or else we could not know anything. These categories are ontological, not mental, and so are a priori. Dear Roger, This is where I think that Kant is wrong. To claim an a priori to be absolute is to reduce all minds to a singular solipsism confined to an absolute apartheid. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion
Solipsism teaches us that we might be able to know the truth subjectively (as, for Christians, the Word) , but we cannot communicate that correctly (in words, in beliefs) to others. Thus, to a Christian at least, only a little child can know the truth. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-14, 10:38:19 Subject: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 13 Dec 2012, at 22:21, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 12/13/2012 2:48 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: >On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what >kind of truth is referred to. > > >There is one truth. Let us search it. > > >There are many true propositions, but I don't think they can be > collected in >a coherent 'one truth'. >>> >>> Perhaps the one truth is that there are many possible inconsistent >>> truths, >>> but only one set of consistent truths for each of us, or for each >>> universe, >>> whatever.(;<) >> >> Dear Richard, >> >> I agree! How these truths are woven together is of considerable >> interest, as such is that ToE's attempt. > > > If different truth can be woven together, it means you bet on a unique truth > capable of doing that. > > That is what happen in the TOE derived from comp. There is a unique truth: > arithmetical truth, which gives rise to the many dreams, each containing the > 8 incarnations of the possible points of view on each of those truth. > > Bruno How do the 8 incarnations incorporate the 3 logics: X, Z and S4g? > >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion
Hi Stephen P. King - I believe with Kant that conciousness has structure (the categories) or else we could not know anything. These categories are ontological, not mental, and so are a priori. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-13, 16:18:36 Subject: Re: the truth of science and the truth of religion On 12/13/2012 2:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what kind of truth is referred to. There is one truth. Let us search it. There are many true propositions, but I don't think they can be collected in a coherent 'one truth'. Brent -- I agree with this statement 100%. I see it as having long range implications and why it is the case should be understood. I have tried to argue an informal proof of this idea in terms of the impossibility of determining SAT for the Boolean algebraic representation of 'all that exists', but it seems that no one understands or is willing to discuss the argument. I see it as eliminating the possibility of the a priori or ontologically fundamental fixed structure such as what Parminides or Plato would have us believe. This is where I disagree mostly with Bruno. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
