On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 9:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
> *> His* [Shannon's] *measure of information is relative to a channel and
> depends on the counterfactual number of messages that could be sent.
> You're presuming that each letter could have been one of 25 other letters.
> But there are only
On 1/21/2024 5:40 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 7:03 PM Brent Meeker
wrote:
>>> /If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish?
Is it about something? /
>> There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's
definitely
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 1:46 AM 'scerir' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Interesting quote about all that (and information)
> Frank Wilczek: "Information is another dimensionless quantity that plays a
> large and increasing role in our description of the world.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 7:03 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
>>> * If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it
>> about something? *
>>
>
> >> There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's
> definitely information,
>
> * >No he wouldn't.*
>
Of course Shannon
On 1/21/2024 12:00 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:31 PM Brent Meeker
wrote:
> /If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it
about something? /
There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's
definitely information,
No he
On 1/21/2024 5:15 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 7:27 PM Brent Meeker
wrote:
//
/> The problem with this is that information, like complexity, has
no physically definite operational meaning. You can't go into the
lab and ask what's the information content of
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:31 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
> * If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it
> about something? *
>
There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's definitely
information, but he doesn't care if that information contains a great
That assumes that there is something that the physical state is /about/.
If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it about
something? All the science of information is about encoding and
decoding; it is not only substrate independent, it is content independent.
Brent
On
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 7:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
* > The problem with this is that information, like complexity, has no
> physically definite operational meaning. You can't go into the lab and ask
> what's the information content of "this".*
>
In 1948 Claude Shannon gave us an operational
"In some respects, information is a qualitatively different sort of entity from
all others in
terms of which the physical sciences describe the world. It is not, for
instance, a function
only of tensor fields on spacetime (as general relativity requires all physical
quantities to
be), nor is it
The problem with this is that information, like complexity, has no
physically definite operational meaning. You can't go into the lab and
ask what's the information content of "this".
Brent
On 1/19/2024 10:46 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:
Interesting quote about all that (and
Interesting quote about all that (and information)
Frank Wilczek: "Information is another dimensionless quantity that plays a
large and increasing role in our description of the world. Many of the terms
that arise naturally in discussions of information have a distinctly physical
character.
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