Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-14 Thread Michael Rosefield
I'm of the all-things-that-can-exist-do-so stripe; it might seem unnecessary and indulgent to posit all these extra possible realities, but for me existence is the easy part and stripping away the chaff is hard. You have this big set of Things What Exist; it's atemporal and eternal, and nothing

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-13 Thread Michael Rosefield
And of course you could always add ASPECT 0 - all possible instances of ASPECT 1 - 3-line Narnia - C.S. LEWIS: Finally, a Utopia ruled by children and populated by talking animals. THE WITCH: Hello, I'm a sexually mature woman of power and confidence. C.S. LEWIS: Ah! Kill it,

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-13 Thread Colin Hales
Michael Rosefield wrote: And of course you could always add ASPECT 0 - all possible instances of ASPECT 1 Yeah.. a new 'science of universe construction'? I wonder if there's a name for something like that? unigenesis? As I said in my post to Jesse: - - -- - - - - - aspect 1 is NOT

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:59:46PM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: aspect 1 describes the underlying reality, which is responsible for consciousness! It is actually the only thing 'reified'. We scientists are made of it, not literal 'appearances'. aspect 1 has been declared merely verboten!?!

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Hales
From the everything list FYI Brent Meeker wrote: Why would you take Stapp as exemplifying the state of QM? ISTM that the decoherence program plus Everett and various collapse theories represents the current state of QM. Brent Meeker Jesse Maser wrote: The copenhagen

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: From the everything list FYI Brent Meeker wrote: Why would you take Stapp as exemplifying the state of QM? ISTM that the decoherence program plus Everett and various collapse theories represents the current state of QM. Brent Meeker Jesse Maser wrote:

RE: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Jesse Mazer
Jesse Maser wrote: The copenhagen interpretation is just one of several ways of thinking about QM, though. Other interpretations, like the many-worlds interpretation or the Bohm interpretation, do try to come up with a model of an underlying reality that gives rise to the events we

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Hales
Brent Meeker wrote: Colin Hales wrote: From the everything list FYI Brent Meeker wrote: Why would you take Stapp as exemplifying the state of QM? ISTM that the decoherence program plus Everett and various collapse theories represents the current state of QM. Brent

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Hales
Jesse Mazer wrote: Jesse Maser wrote: The copenhagen interpretation is just one of several ways of thinking about QM, though. Other interpretations, like the many-worlds interpretation or the Bohm interpretation, do try to come up with a model of an underlying reality that gives rise

RE: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Jesse Mazer
As I said in the first post: aspect 1 is descriptions of an underlying reality. aspect 2 is also a set of descriptions, but merely of generalisations/abstractions of the appearances in an observer made of . Both aspects are equally empirically supported. You can't give either aspect

Re: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Hales
Jesse Mazer wrote: As I said in the first post: aspect 1 is descriptions of an underlying reality. aspect 2 is also a set of descriptions, but merely of generalisations/abstractions of the appearances in an observer made of . Both aspects are equally empirically supported. You can't

RE: What the B***P do quantum physicists know?

2008-10-10 Thread Jesse Mazer
And now, in Henry Stapp’s book I find the taboo laid out in plain view for all to see. It’s dressed up as the ‘Copenhagen Interpretation’ and it’s been adopted as a cult, which I will now outline by quotation: (see page 11). “Let there be no doubt about this point. The original form of