Re: Evo 1.5 and local/server side SA (was Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!))

2004-04-01 Thread Tony Earnshaw
tor, 01.04.2004 kl. 03.08 skrev guenther: Tony, please accept my apology. As I already mentioned previously, I got to know you with a different attitude -- not to rant about topics [1] you aren't highly familiar with, but to actually know what you are talking about. I answered your

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread guenther
So I look in the Junk Folder and I see 700 Messages.. They are all there... *sigh* That's what I intended to ask as I read the previous mails. That's *cool* SpamAssassin run wild and out of control. And never a mention of how to configure it. Let alone update it. Another reason for

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread guenther
Let's not be hasty and switch back to Mozilla. What we should do is note Evolution thinks this is Junk mail. If it is, click this button: and when they do, ask the user if they want to turn on junk mail filtering. OR, at first-run and during migration, *ask* the user: Evolution 2.0

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Tony Earnshaw
ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 12.16 skrev guenther: [...] The thing is, Mozilla is using pure Bayes (AFAIK) and Evo is using SpamAssassin of unknown (to me) heritage (uses Bayes, but SA has a lot more besides). My present version is 2.63 and I can do one heck of a lot to make it work better for my

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Tony Earnshaw
ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 12.07 skrev guenther: Another reason for being a stick-in-the-mud and keeping to Evo 1.4, whilst keeping SA (what version was it again?) on the Postfix snapshot smtp amavisd-new proxy MTA. *Where it belongs*. And yes, we have LDAP-based amavisd-new per-user

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 07:10, Tony Earnshaw wrote: ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 12.07 skrev guenther: [...] You can entirely disabling filtering through SpamAssassin in Evolution. No one is forced to. IMHO it is a better approach in UN*X land to use applications, that already exist and proved to work

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 08:10, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 07:10, Tony Earnshaw wrote: ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 12.07 skrev guenther: [...] You can entirely disabling filtering through SpamAssassin in Evolution. No one is forced to. IMHO it is a better approach in UN*X land

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread D. D. Brierton
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:28, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: while the mailer hackers agree with you, we were overruled by the mass of users who demanded this feature. So, this is pretty much moot. But I thought Evolution 1.5.x/2.x just gave you a front-end to sa-learn? In which case Evolution isn't

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:48, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:28, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: while the mailer hackers agree with you, we were overruled by the mass of users who demanded this feature. So, this is pretty much moot. But I thought Evolution 1.5.x/2.x just gave you

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread D. D. Brierton
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:54, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:48, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:28, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: while the mailer hackers agree with you, we were overruled by the mass of users who demanded this feature. So, this is pretty

Evo 1.5 and local/server side SA (was Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!))

2004-03-31 Thread Rick DeNatale
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 02:16 +0200, Tony Earnshaw wrote: The thing is, Mozilla is using pure Bayes (AFAIK) and Evo is using SpamAssassin of unknown (to me) heritage (uses Bayes, but SA has a lot more besides). My present version is 2.63 and I can do one heck of a lot to make it work better for

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 16:12 +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:54, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:48, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:28, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: while the mailer hackers agree with you, we were overruled by the

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Radek DoulĂ­k
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 16:12 +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:54, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:48, D. D. Brierton wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:28, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: while the mailer hackers agree with you, we were overruled by the mass

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-31 Thread Tony Earnshaw
ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 16.28 skrev Jeffrey Stedfast: I think you've misunderstood Guenther. He's not slamming Bayesian filters, he's saying there's no need to implement one in the mail client when there are several standalone implementations out there. while the mailer hackers agree with

Re: Evo 1.5 and local/server side SA (was Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!))

2004-03-31 Thread Rick DeNatale
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:53 +0200, Tony Earnshaw wrote: ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 17.25 skrev Rick DeNatale: After some head scratching, it actually looks like Evo 1.5 works very nicely with my installation of SA. Brilliant! That was what I was waiting for. Don't think much of the Procmail

Re: Evo 1.5 and local/server side SA (was Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!))

2004-03-31 Thread Rick DeNatale
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:53 +0200, Tony Earnshaw wrote: ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 17.25 skrev Rick DeNatale: After some head scratching, it actually looks like Evo 1.5 works very nicely with my installation of SA. Brilliant! That was what I was waiting for. Don't think much of the Procmail

Re: Evo 1.5 and local/server side SA (was Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!))

2004-03-31 Thread guenther
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:53, Tony Earnshaw wrote: ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 17.25 skrev Rick DeNatale: After some head scratching, it actually looks like Evo 1.5 works very nicely with my installation of SA. Brilliant! That was what I was waiting for. Don't think much of the Procmail bit,

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Charles
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 23:39 +0800, Not Zed wrote: Ok, please open a bug on bugzilla.ximian.com. Run evolution with CAMEL_DEBUG=all (if you're running latest latest cvs only, or use CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1) set in the environment. It will print a load of debug stuff to stdio/stderr. Record

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Tony Earnshaw
tir, 30.03.2004 kl. 18.36 skrev Charles: camel_junk_plugin_check_junk em_junk_sa_check_junk pipe_to_sa spamc -c -p 7830 junk filter = *JUNK* camel_junk_plugin_check_junk em_junk_sa_check_junk pipe_to_sa spamc -c -p 7830 junk filter = *JUNK* Running the command found the above... So

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 20:52 +0200, Tony Earnshaw wrote: [snip] That's *cool* SpamAssassin run wild and out of control. And never a mention of how to configure it. Let alone update it. Another reason for being a stick-in-the-mud and keeping to Evo 1.4, whilst keeping SA (what version was it

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Aaron Weber
Let's not be hasty and switch back to Mozilla. What we should do is note Evolution thinks this is Junk mail. If it is, click this button: and when they do, ask the user if they want to turn on junk mail filtering. OR, at first-run and during migration, *ask* the user: Evolution 2.0 includes

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Tony Earnshaw
ons, 31.03.2004 kl. 00.29 skrev Aaron Weber: Let's not be hasty and switch back to Mozilla. What we should do is note Evolution thinks this is Junk mail. If it is, click this button: and when they do, ask the user if they want to turn on junk mail filtering. OR, at first-run and during

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Ricky
Tony Earnshaw wrote: The thing is, Mozilla is using pure Bayes (AFAIK) and Evo is using SpamAssassin of unknown (to me) heritage (uses Bayes, but SA has a lot more besides). My present version is 2.63 and I can do one heck of a lot to make it work better for my site than Evo can. I agree that one

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 20:15, Ricky wrote: Tony Earnshaw wrote: The thing is, Mozilla is using pure Bayes (AFAIK) and Evo is using SpamAssassin of unknown (to me) heritage (uses Bayes, but SA has a lot more besides). My present version is 2.63 and I can do one heck of a lot to make it work

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Al Hooton
Yes, please -- something like what Aaron Weber mentions below. I run a server-side package (dspam), the last thing I need is an upgraded Evo starting to also do spam filtering by accident because I didn't notice... On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 14:29, Aaron Weber wrote: Let's not be hasty and

Re: [Evolution] Need some help (I Got IT!!!)

2004-03-30 Thread Charles Love
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 18:47 -0800, Al Hooton wrote: Yes, please -- something like what Aaron Weber mentions below. I run a server-side package (dspam), the last thing I need is an upgraded Evo starting to also do spam filtering by accident because I didn't notice... Perhaps adding a