[Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
Hi, I cannot find the thread where this was discussed, I'm sorry, but after few days I found why this behaviour is pretty bad and why the evolution-alarm-notify didn't ask for passwords. My usecase is pretty simple, and I believe there are many corporate users with the same environment: I have entered few calendars which are accessed only when I'm connected to company vpn, unless they fail. When I login I do not have the vpn running, thus I'm asked for my passwords, thus I connect to vpn and then enter it (it's not prefilled, because it's not a reprompt, though maybe some little change on evolution-mapi could be done - these are evo-mapi calendars). My question is whether there can be done any better way of coping with this, because having the password prompts (there are two pilled, actually) after each and every login is just a bad experience, from my point of view. Bye, Milan P.S.: Most likely unrelated, but I see I'm asked for Tasks and Notes passwords, at least based on the prompts, which should not be needed in the evolution-alarm-notify, because evolution doesn't support alarms on these. ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 08:24 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: Hi, I cannot find the thread where this was discussed, I'm sorry, but after few days I found why this behaviour is pretty bad and why the evolution-alarm-notify didn't ask for passwords. My usecase is pretty simple, and I believe there are many corporate users with the same environment: I have entered few calendars which are accessed only when I'm connected to company vpn, unless they fail. When I login I do not have the vpn running, thus I'm asked for my passwords, thus I connect to vpn and then enter it (it's not prefilled, because it's not a reprompt, though maybe some little change on evolution-mapi could be done - these are evo-mapi calendars). My question is whether there can be done any better way of coping with this, because having the password prompts (there are two pilled, actually) after each and every login is just a bad experience, from my point of view. Would it not be possible to store the password in gnome-keyring and be shared. The other providers work this way, alarm-daemon would start the authenticated calendars if it finds that the passwords is stored gnome-keyring. It would also check whether the password can be retrieved between intervals AFAICR. In case a calendar is marked for alarms and if alarm-daemon was not able to retrieve the password, would it be a good idea to show a small warning icon in the panel, which could indicate the issue and mention that evolution needs to be started in order to retrieve the password ? Also inform the user that the password needs to be remembered for alarm-daemon to work fine. Bye, Milan P.S.: Most likely unrelated, but I see I'm asked for Tasks and Notes passwords, at least based on the prompts, which should not be needed in the evolution-alarm-notify, because evolution doesn't support alarms on these. I dont think the earlier behaviour used to be like this. This should be a bug introduced at some state IMHO. - Chenthill. ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 08:24 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: I cannot find the thread where this was discussed, I'm sorry, but after few days I found why this behaviour is pretty bad and why the evolution-alarm-notify didn't ask for passwords. My usecase is pretty simple, and I believe there are many corporate users with the same environment: I have entered few calendars which are accessed only when I'm connected to company vpn, unless they fail. When I login I do not have the vpn running, thus I'm asked for my passwords, thus I connect to vpn and then enter it (it's not prefilled, because it's not a reprompt, though maybe some little change on evolution-mapi could be done - these are evo-mapi calendars). My question is whether there can be done any better way of coping with this, because having the password prompts (there are two pilled, actually) after each and every login is just a bad experience, from my point of view. (Gesticulating wildly about vaporware...) One thing I wanted to add after all this account rewrite stuff is done (maybe for 3.6) is support for VPN state. My thought was any place in Evolution where you would enter host and port information there would also be a check box item with a combo box listing all available VPN connection names as configured in NetworkManager. Something like: [x] Requires an active VPN connection to [ My Company's VPN |v] The VPN ID would get stored in the data source's key file. Then the backend for that data source would be treated as offline until Network Manager broadcasts an active VPN connection whose ID matches what you've selected. And I believe we're already smart enough to not show password prompts for offline backends. I think monitoring NetworkManager (and the other network tools we support) is going to be another job for the evolution-source-registry service rather than Evolution, for this very reason you've described. ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 08:36 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: My question is whether there can be done any better way of coping with this, because having the password prompts (there are two pilled, actually) after each and every login is just a bad experience, from my point of view. (Gesticulating wildly about vaporware...) One thing I wanted to add after all this account rewrite stuff is done (maybe for 3.6) is support for VPN state. My thought was any place in Evolution where you would enter host and port information there would also be a check box item with a combo box listing all available VPN connection names as configured in NetworkManager. +1 +1 +1 That would be awesome [being able to associate an account to either 'general' network status or a specific VPN connection / Network profile]. I have accounts that only work with the VPN up; and it is irritating sometimes when Evo insists on trying to access them when no connectivity is available. Something like: [x] Requires an active VPN connection to [ My Company's VPN |v] The VPN ID would get stored in the data source's key file. +1 + 1 +1 ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 08:36 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: One thing I wanted to add after all this account rewrite stuff is done (maybe for 3.6) is support for VPN state. My thought was any place in Evolution where you would enter host and port information there would also be a check box item with a combo box listing all available VPN connection names as configured in NetworkManager. Sounds good, though I'm not using NetworkManager to connect to my VPN. Again, I do not expect me being the only one :) Milan ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Since evolution-alarm-notify asks for passwords
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 16:57 +0530, Chenthill wrote: Would it not be possible to store the password in gnome-keyring and be shared. The other providers work this way, alarm-daemon would start the authenticated calendars if it finds that the passwords is stored gnome-keyring. It would also check whether the password can be retrieved between intervals AFAICR. I'll investigate it further, but my point is that I store passwords, only the connection fails, because no VPN running, and I'm asked for a password, though the issue is not with password, but with server reachability. Might be an issue with evolution-mapi itself, maybe it forces password forget and thus it's lost even in this case. I'll see what I'll find there. (It seems like I should investigate first and then bring this on; I'm sorry). Bye, Milan ___ evolution-hackers mailing list evolution-hackers@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
