Re: [Evolution] Maildir account broken by update?
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 23:11 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 22:45 +0200, fabien wrote: > > I'm running Evolution 3.12.9 in Debian (Jessie) to display emails from > > an IMAP, POP and MailDir accounts. This is the last version in Jessie, > > namely 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1. > > Earlier today a bunch of packages got updated (without any problem, > > apparently). > > > > However, when starting Evolution afterwards, the emails related to the > > MailDir account could no longer be displayed. > > > > In my preferences/Account/Receiving email page, the directory is now set > > to (None) instead of my MailDir folder, and setting it back doesn't > > help : opening the page again shows it's back to (None). > > According to the user documentation, account data is stored under > ~/.config/evolution/sources/ > Are that folder (plus your MailDir folder itself) writable? > Yes they are. Sorry I forgot to mention I made these tests also. Fabien ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
> > I have yet to meet any long time Linux user who goes into their email > client to "make a backup." And oddly Gnome-based backup software does > not suggest doing this either; it just backs up files. You'd think if it > was important someone would have integrated it as a backup feature. The backup was originally designed to allow you to move Evolution data from one machine to another. It is a convenient way of combining together all the information and files in one place. (It's not just a straight tar ball of files - it includes a dump of the configuration of Evolution in a format that can be reconstructed.) FYI The backup/restore feature was introduced in 2.12 (in 2008) because there were various homebrew scripts around that did similar things and users were asking for an official way of doing it. > > If a home directory tarball isn't enough It is sufficient. > Evolution > should drop the silly "backup / restore". It may be "silly" to you, but there are people who use it in a none "silly" way. > > Perhaps replace it with an Import feature which could be pointed at a > directory to retrieve user accounts and stored/cached email from any > previous version of Evolution. Now that would be useful. You can't point at a single directory and retrieve everything. Things are held in multiple locations. If, when you start Evolution it sees old account information it *will* use that account information in the newer evolution version, updating schemas and file locations as it does so. It can do it over multiple versions, including major versions, even converting mail store into Maildir (from MBOX) and so on. The only time I've seen Evolution offer to restore a backup is when there is no old Evolution data in the users home directory. > > Often by the time I need to set up my email the previous system hardware > is unrecoverable. There's never going to be an Evolution "backup." The backup/restore was never really meant as a DR tool. Yes, you may quibble about the name, but that is the most succinct way of describing what the tool does. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Maildir account broken by update?
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 22:45 +0200, fabien wrote: > I'm running Evolution 3.12.9 in Debian (Jessie) to display emails from > an IMAP, POP and MailDir accounts. This is the last version in Jessie, > namely 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1. > Earlier today a bunch of packages got updated (without any problem, > apparently). > > However, when starting Evolution afterwards, the emails related to the > MailDir account could no longer be displayed. > > In my preferences/Account/Receiving email page, the directory is now set > to (None) instead of my MailDir folder, and setting it back doesn't > help : opening the page again shows it's back to (None). According to the user documentation, account data is stored under ~/.config/evolution/sources/ Are that folder (plus your MailDir folder itself) writable? > Making Evolution re-create a new folders.db didn't help. > > Also, trying to create a new MailDir account yields the same problem > than the initial MailDir account. It seems impossible to set the > Directory to something else than (None)... > > Any idea? Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Maildir account broken by update?
Dear all, I'm running Evolution 3.12.9 in Debian (Jessie) to display emails from an IMAP, POP and MailDir accounts. This is the last version in Jessie, namely 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1. Earlier today a bunch of packages got updated (without any problem, apparently). However, when starting Evolution afterwards, the emails related to the MailDir account could no longer be displayed. In my preferences/Account/Receiving email page, the directory is now set to (None) instead of my MailDir folder, and setting it back doesn't help : opening the page again shows it's back to (None). Making Evolution re-create a new folders.db didn't help. Also, trying to create a new MailDir account yields the same problem than the initial MailDir account. It seems impossible to set the Directory to something else than (None)... Any idea? Best regards, Fabien ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
John, please fix your email application to display quotes as quoted so it is possible for others to find out what you yourself wrote. See https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2018-July/msg00071.html Thanks. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 15:29 -0400, Dr. John H. Lauterbach wrote: > Evolution 3.28.1-2 running under Ubuntu 18.04 wants you to import a > backup file for the first run on a new installation. Not a problem > for those of us who have been running evolution for years. > > Not sure how one would do if I were installing evolution and had > never used it before. Hi, evolution offers it, but doesn't force it. You can simply _leave_ that "Restore from a backup file:" checkbox unchecked, then the Next button will move you to the Identity tab and you can, but do not need to, create a new mail account. There's also that "Do not show this wizard again" check at the bottom of the first page of that wizard, which can be helpful if you want to run evolution without a mail account. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
-Original Message- From: Milan Crha via evolution-list Reply-To: Milan Crha To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:09:16 +0200 On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list wrote: Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start byasking me to import a backup. ... Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal filechooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: Thename org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .servicefiles Hi,it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but aFlatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for moreinformation on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run thenative version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; Isuppose it was your intention anyway. By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the Evolutionversion and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same"handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thusthe version which had been in distribution X a week ago not necessarily is also today, or a week later. Bye,Milan ___evolution-list mailing listevolution-list@gnome.orgTo change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Evolution 3.28.1-2 running under Ubuntu 18.04 wants you to import a backup file for the first run on a new installation. Not a problem for those of us who have been running evolution for years. Not sure how one would do if I were installing evolution and had never used it before. john ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 14:45 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- list wrote: > So guessing that, something didn't get erased. Hi, did you follow these steps, maybe modified to your local changes, if any been made? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Flatpak#Clean_up_Flatpak_data Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 12:25 -0700, Douglas Summers wrote: > it ran well, but I like how > the "native" package integrates with the desktop. Hi, yes, I fully understand that and agree with you, but in case of evolution, and its dependency on evolution-data-server, there is no win-win state, I'm sorry. Either you run up-to-date evolution against possibly long ago obsolete evolution-data-server D-Bus services and you have the fancy integration with the desktop and have access to local disk and such, or you run really up to date evolution and up to date evolution-data-server, thus you really get all the latest fixes [1], but you run in a sandbox, with no integration with the desktop, no notifications, no local file system,... It's a pita that Flatpak itself doesn't have something in between of "talks-to" and "owns" for D-Bus interfaces, in which case one would be able to override some D-Bus services, but keep using other system's D-Bus services. That would be a killer feature of Flatpak, from my point of view, but as long as this is relevant only for a minority of the Flatpak applications, and most of them even "do not care" (no offense meant, they target something else), then it makes sense Flatpak developers also use their time on other issues and features. To be honest, I do not know whether it's possible at all, the obstacle can be somewhere else than in Flatpak, maybe it's in D-Bus itself, I really do not know. Bye, Milan [1] One example for all: like with the timezone thing in EWS, the change for I#7 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/issues/7 had been done for the evolution-data-server side, namely for a backend which runs in evolution-calendar-factory(-subprocess). Having a Flatpak version of evolution which integrates with the desktop, then even if you build that Flatpak version against the latest evolution-ews, then it'll still talk to the old and unpatched evolution-calendar-factory in your system, thus you'd not have the issue fixed. This is sometimes hard to realize. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
I was on Evolution 3.18.2 .. tried the flatpak which didn't work same symptom ... did the Mint upgrade and the 3.28.1-2 version of evolution pops up, but I can't load backups into evolution. So guessing that, something didn't get erased. Mike On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Douglas Summers wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- > > list wrote: > > > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > > > asking me to import a backup. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > > > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > > > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any > > > .service > > > files > > > > Hi, > > it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but > > a > > Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more > > information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the > > native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I > > suppose it was your intention anyway. > > > > By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the > > Evolution > > version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same > > "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus > > the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not > > necessarily > > is also today, or a week later. > > Bye, > > Milan > > > > ___ > > evolution-list mailing list > > evolution-list@gnome.org > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate > the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how > the "native" package integrates with the desktop. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
If it helps when I installed lm19 it picked up the flatpack version I had installed. Install Evolution with synaptic and it should pick up the correct version Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Douglas Summers wrote >On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: >> On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- >> list wrote: >> > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by >> > asking me to import a backup. >> > >> > ... >> > >> > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file >> > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The >> > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any >> > .service >> > files >> >> Hi, >> it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but >> a >> Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more >> information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the >> native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I >> suppose it was your intention anyway. >> >> By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the >> Evolution >> version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same >> "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus >> the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not >> necessarily >> is also today, or a week later. >> Bye, >> Milan >> >> ___ >> evolution-list mailing list >> evolution-list@gnome.org >> To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > >I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate >the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how >the "native" package integrates with the desktop. >___ >evolution-list mailing list >evolution-list@gnome.org >To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- > list wrote: > > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > > asking me to import a backup. > > > > ... > > > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any > > .service > > files > > Hi, > it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but > a > Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more > information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the > native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I > suppose it was your intention anyway. > > By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the > Evolution > version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same > "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus > the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not > necessarily > is also today, or a week later. > Bye, > Milan > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how the "native" package integrates with the desktop. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- list wrote: > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > asking me to import a backup. > > ... > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service > files Hi, it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but a Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I suppose it was your intention anyway. By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the Evolution version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not necessarily is also today, or a week later. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] time zone issues with calendar in Evolution
On Mon, 2018-07-09 at 15:11 -0400, MayDay Computers via evolution-list wrote: > 3.28.3 on Fedora 28 ans I also have this issue a lot. I found that > if I change my Time zone from America/Indiana/Indianapolis to > America/New_York, it works fine. Hi, no promises, but maybe this is addressed with (3.28.4+): https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/issues/7 In case it will not be for you, would you (anyone in this thread or even not in this thread) mind to file a new bug at: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/issues/new and write there very detailed steps with observations, please? That might be really detailed steps, like what server version is in use, what time zone is setup on the server and in Evolution, what event with what time zone and at what date/time is created in Evolution and where it is shown in OWA of the server, or in Outlook, or another instance of Evolution, or even in the Evolution which created it, in case the save moves the event immediately. And also how the event was created. The date/time really precisely, like on 2018-03-21 at 10:00AM, because I'm pretty sure the actual time matters. Having a log with the created event would be also a huge plus, but that can wait for now. All those details are required, because it seemed to work for me, but it didn't in certain cases, like with the above issue. Imagine I'm dumb, I'd need almost click-by-click reproducer, otherwise I can miss it again. Thanks and bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by asking me to import a backup. Not a big deal until I get to the dialog where I have to search for and select the backup file. Where this shows up in the syslog. Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service files So I can't select from that dialog. Trying the Restore option from the menu also fails as it doesn't see backup file in any of the directories that i can reach. Given that evolution-backup-.tar.gz, it would seem that I should be able to restore by hand, but there seems to be a few post steps that need to be done. Anyone have a pointer to those steps ? Mike ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Empty Junk does not work
I recently upgraded from Linux Mint 18.3 to 19 and as a result have now got Evolution version 3.28.1-2 and what a big improvement it is over the old version. However I have found that when you right-click the Junk E-Mail folder there is a new option on the pop-up menu "Empty Junk" when I click it the junk is not removed. The account is an EWS one and I checked the permissions on that folder and I do have ownership rights on the folder, as I thought it might be Exchange Permissions blocking the delete? Can anyone help with this? Siv ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recovering after suspend and resume
> > Why did you not want it to use OAuth2? It works perfectly fine with > > Evolution and is Google's preferred method - in fact I would say > > that Evo is "correct" to insist that you use OAuth2, it is what you > > should be doing. > > I'd never heard of OAuth2 before and all it didn't was throw an error - > can't remember exactly what it said but I was in a rush and one of the > options in the authentication was password, so surely it should have > worked?? You need to setup your gmail account specifically to allow password login. Your older version of Evolution couldn't deal with OAuth2 and the advice then was to provision gmail accounts via Gnome-online- Accounts (aka GoA). Recent versions of Evolution know how to do it now. > > > > Are you using the same home filesystem for both versions? (If so, > > things are going to get problematic - the Evolution configuration > > store > > would have been upgraded to the 3.28 version and it isn't backward > > compatible.) > > Yeah that makes sense. I have Evo 3.28 in a flatpack now but I haven't > configured the accounts yet. I was going to export a backup from my old > version but it was taking too long so I thought I would see if I could > get it to use the same folders directories but haven't done that yet. > As has been said before, the Flatpack version of Evolution is sandboxed so it's not trivial to get it to see your home file store. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recovering after suspend and resume
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 12:36 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > I tried the Evo that comes with Linux Mint 19 and yes it's much > > better, > > no connection issues after resume but I had a weird problem with my > > Gmail account. Evo kept insisting I use OAuth2 and I couldn't get > > it to > > stay set to Password, each time I clicked OK, it reverted to > > OAuth2. > Why did you not want it to use OAuth2? It works perfectly fine with > Evolution and is Google's preferred method - in fact I would say > that Evo is "correct" to insist that you use OAuth2, it is what you > should be doing. I'd never heard of OAuth2 before and all it didn't was throw an error - can't remember exactly what it said but I was in a rush and one of the options in the authentication was password, so surely it should have worked?? > > > > > Even stranger was when I switched back to LM 18.3 (due to other > > unrelated issues) my Gmail account still failed to authenticate > > even > > though it was set to Password. Had to delete the account and re- > > make > > it. > > > That's probably because the authorisation token got revoked. > > Are you using the same home filesystem for both versions? (If so, > things are going to get problematic - the Evolution configuration > store > would have been upgraded to the 3.28 version and it isn't backward > compatible.) Yeah that makes sense. I have Evo 3.28 in a flatpack now but I haven't configured the accounts yet. I was going to export a backup from my old version but it was taking too long so I thought I would see if I could get it to use the same folders directories but haven't done that yet. > > P. > > > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recovering after suspend and resume
> I tried the Evo that comes with Linux Mint 19 and yes it's much better, > no connection issues after resume but I had a weird problem with my > Gmail account. Evo kept insisting I use OAuth2 and I couldn't get it to > stay set to Password, each time I clicked OK, it reverted to OAuth2. Why did you not want it to use OAuth2? It works perfectly fine with Evolution and is Google's preferred method - in fact I would say that Evo is "correct" to insist that you use OAuth2, it is what you should be doing. > Even stranger was when I switched back to LM 18.3 (due to other > unrelated issues) my Gmail account still failed to authenticate even > though it was set to Password. Had to delete the account and re-make > it. > That's probably because the authorisation token got revoked. Are you using the same home filesystem for both versions? (If so, things are going to get problematic - the Evolution configuration store would have been upgraded to the 3.28 version and it isn't backward compatible.) P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
