RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Actually, there are plenty of issues where a properly configured box gets hacked. In fact, that had been an issue with older sendmail implementations - they had holes that could be exploited with only connectivity to port 25. And some of them were outright nasty. Hence the reason for the boot from cd systems - even if there is an application vulnerability, the system is exceedingly hard to trojan because it is physically impossible to change an executable without physical access to the box. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail That is exactly what I did with my last organization before we got a real firewall. I multihomed exchange, used a smart host with our ISP and filtered on the external NIC, everything except port 25. Where I am at now, they say if you do that you will get hacked, and I say only if the box is not properly configured. I pick up my best practices from this list. Even if they are MVP's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Even on allegedly hack-prone Windows, you can lock down the outside port so that it'll filter everything except TCP port 25, no? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail I actually would be comfortable with that, except I have yet to find a way to get Windows (any version) to run correctly from read only media - our external relays boot and run from CD, with only certain configuration files actually existing on a writable drive, along with the spool directories. Sooner or later I might just play with that kind of configuration for Windows, although I'm afraid it might not be possible. But its worth trying -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail If you feel that way, a locked down Windows 2003 box running the SMTP service is just as capable as a Unix box running sendmail. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Um, no, it can't. But that's a whole different story. Microsoft has some hard num bers about the speed of the IIS SMTP component in comparison to sendmail. I think they're in a whitepaper someone on the MS site. That being said, I'm not a fan of exposing Exchange directly to the Internet. If for no other reason, I like to run border virus scanning (using VirusWall from Trend Micro), which I feel runs better on Unix. Even then, these systems are in the middle of the mail flow (internal relays). We use a highly locked down[1] version of OpenBSD as inbound only relays in our DMZ (they only accept and forward mail for us - they don't send mail outbound). It's a bit overkill, but we also run a lot more mail through our systems than comparible sized companies seem to do. To answer your question, however, I've not found a case where a properly tuned Exchange server fell under load, short of an outright DOS attack or mail loop. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] That seems redundant to me... -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Quite so, thanks for the clarification Roger. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Yep. This year for Christmas they gave me the first season of Hello Larry on DVD. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Andy is cheap at half that price. Me, I got a pen and some paper. I feel so paid for. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 13:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Yep. This year for Christmas they gave me the first season of Hello Larry on DVD. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
confused Which one of the Teletubbies is Larry? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Yep. This year for Christmas they gave me the first season of Hello Larry on DVD. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang
What is SPAM - Please comment
Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleagues users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
::dresses up like Abraham Lincoln and shoots Don:: -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
That's definitely spam. No question about it. Unless your colleagues have specifically asked for emails about telco offers, that is. And of course we all know that they haven't. Cheers, Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
I'd say that's spam. There is a lot of argument about what exactly spam is, and I would say this falls under the definition I use - unsolicited, commercial, bulk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
The crack about being paid by MS. That was very Deckler-esque =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
And? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? The crack about being paid by MS. That was very Deckler-esque =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: company question
Has anyone heard anything about this company called CITCO (not the oil and gas Citgo), but CITCO Group - http://www.citco.com/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
It's all good. The comment was made tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? And? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? The crack about being paid by MS. That was very Deckler-esque =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Eh? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? That's enough, Deckler Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: OT: company question
Nope From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: company question Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:21:41 -0500 Has anyone heard anything about this company called CITCO (not the oil and gas Citgo), but CITCO Group - http://www.citco.com/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is SPAM - Please comment
If you were to send it to a list like this then its SPAM. If, on the other hand, its a mail to people internally surely you have rules governing what can be sent over the network? In the past the company I worked for allowed this, but as the numbers grew messages sent out to ALL USERs (for example) has become strictly prohibited because of the amount of people that like to use the reply to all buttons. Instead they've implemented an intranet bulletin board. If you want to get this sort of information across you should just speak with people, word will soon get about and you'll probably find out whose interested thereby avoiding the unsolicitation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/12/2003 12:54 Please respond to Exchange Discussions To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] COMPUTACENTER (UK) LTD The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Computacenter information is available from http://www.computacenter.com This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Spam. I'd be cross if you sent that to me. If you know me well enough to mention it and you think I'd be interested you can tell me when we're down the pub, otherwise you can keep this and anything else that isn't directly related to work to yourself. I don't see what the ethical problem is. It's spam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Correct me if Im wrong (and I know you will.), unless the actual attachment itself is altered, Exchange still stores just 1 copy of the attachment for all 1000 recipients plus a copy of the original email, now shared by 999 recips, and 1 altered copy of the email stored by the person who modified it - unless the recipients live on multiple servers or in multiple stores on the same server in which case there are copies per store or server. Does anyone know how a storage group would affect this? Does Exchange store it once per store (database) or once per storage group? Im thinking once per store... Jeff Hague -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Yeah. Whatever. goes and sulks at his Ex5.5 deployment -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you call professions there are specializations. Within IT there are specializations too. It just so happens that those areas of /deep/ technical knowledge are sometimes on a particular product in addition to the specializations on generic process. There really is no precedent stating that there is ipso facto unprofessionalism or an issue with ethics. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I wish you could stop being so closed minded about this one particular issue. The venom and bile with which you say the word vendor is also really puzzling. When you go to a chiropractor, everything is a chiropractic problem with a
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you call professions there are specializations. Within IT there are specializations too. It just so happens that those areas of /deep/ technical knowledge are sometimes on a particular product in addition to the specializations on generic process. There really is no precedent stating that there is ipso facto unprofessionalism or an issue with ethics. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software.
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Obviously, you're either sticking your finger all the way past the second knuckle again or you've had too many facelifts -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Me fail english? Thats unpossible! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality.
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You've got the women just lining up for you don't ya... -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You can fix fat, but you can't fix ugly... -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As
OT: HP USPS
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RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
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Day 3: Lessons Learned GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Day 3 was pretty much finishing up some details with nothing much new and exciting to report. Was able to bring up the GW 6.5 client connected to both GW and Exchange and this allows one to drag and drop contacts but not PDL's. Also tried with the GW 5.2.6 client with similar results. Created a manual process for PDL migration, which is manually intensive but works and does not cost any money. Other than that, reconfigured Rocket to migrate using each user's account and password versus a single, Migration account. Tested this out thoroughly and this seems to work great. I finally got a message back from the creator of GBMT. He has never tested it with any client 6.x client since Microsoft's tools do not officially support migrating from anything other than 5.x. Did recommend using the GW5.5 client, which I have used in the past and does seem to work better with GBMT, although I have found that the Migration Wizard works worse with this version of the client. If anyone has any questions or comments or additional insights, please forward them along. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You do too? I thought I was the only one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather monotonous and boring to keep stating in my opinion all the time when, in my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words earth, round and flat. In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word round refers to a 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a 3-d object are equal distance from its center. Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy now? I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
My head hurts. That's a fact From: Greg Deckler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:50:03 -0800 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather monotonous and boring to keep stating in my opinion all the time when, in my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words earth, round and flat. In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word round refers to a 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a 3-d object are equal distance from its center. Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy now? I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Sources of outages
Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further backs up your opinion. It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that is just my opinion. Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are based upon fact or accepted truth. Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather monotonous and boring to keep stating in my opinion all the time when, in my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words earth, round and flat. In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word round refers to a 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a 3-d object are equal distance from its center. Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy now? I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
Thankfully (knocking on wood) not here. Why not figure in the desktop's into this calculation? In the last 12 months here, we have had about the following: Comm line/svs 85% (12% scheduled) (most caused by a mass outage due to that little thing called Isable) Servers (mid-range and windows) 2% (all but one outage was scheduled) Routers / Switches 6% (4% scheduled) Desktop (customer service centers) 5% Strange bumps in the night 1% (we don't know, well it wasn't working before I called you type of things, my favorite) -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
When I grow up I want to be a principalor a caterpillar. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Well, some day I'd like to be a dentist. - Hermey - Matt -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 When I grow up I want to be a principalor a caterpillar. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
I want to be a fig farmer John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Well, some day I'd like to be a dentist. - Hermey - Matt -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 When I grow up I want to be a principalor a caterpillar. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction,
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Any email with MVP in the signature is spam. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Oh wait, I get it. Since MVPs are unethical and SPAM is unethical, any message coming from an MVP must be unethical. Phew. I'm glad you pointed that out to the list. /tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Any email with MVP in the signature is spam. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
I'm just thankful that my anti-spam software has correctly identified and properly dealt with these Spam related posts. The best 2k of my companies money I've ever spent! Oh wait, I get it. Since MVPs are unethical and SPAM is unethical, any message coming from an MVP must be unethical. Phew. I'm glad you pointed that out to the list. /tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Any email with MVP in the signature is spam.=20 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical = problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following = email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's = users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved = in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at =A315.99, which = I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have = good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users = money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an = associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com=20 Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my = colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good = offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could = fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email = to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them = that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do = you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering = and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email = service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode= =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode= =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode= =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Is your software scanning for the word spam in the message subject? :) Or MVP? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment I'm just thankful that my anti-spam software has correctly identified and properly dealt with these Spam related posts. The best 2k of my companies money I've ever spent! Oh wait, I get it. Since MVPs are unethical and SPAM is unethical, any message coming from an MVP must be unethical. Phew. I'm glad you pointed that out to the list. /tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Any email with MVP in the signature is spam.=20 -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical = problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following = email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's = users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved = in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at =A315.99, which = I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have = good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users = money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an = associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com=20 Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my = colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good = offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could = fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email = to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them = that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do = you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering = and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email = service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode = =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode = =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode = =3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
I don't know, but I bet its much less than can be atributed to covert actions by unethical end users with secret agendas who then tell you bald faced lies and repeat them in the face of obvious evidence. -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cross Database Permisions/Issues
Hi Everyone, I am haviong a hard time figguring this simple issue out and I am hoping that you all can help me. For some reason when I give a user permission to a simple calendar (called scheduling or something) they keep getting a popup box that says 'Store Cannot Be Opened'. Ok thats easy enough right? Well the real fun is that they can open any calendar they have been given permissions to that are located on the same server (not nessecarily same storage group), but not ones located in different servers. All the servers are in teh same site and domain, so why the issue? We havent locked down pemrissions between databases or storage groups, so its wierd that this issue is even occuring. To make things even more fun, if I go to OWA and open that calendar up, I can get to it WITHOUT issue. Its only when I use my MAPI client (outlook 97 - 2003 it doesnt matter) that I cannot open these calendars, mailboxes, or other shared mailbox resources. What am I missing? Timothy H. Schilbach Alpha Omega Design Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our NEW website at www.aodinc.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cross Database Permisions/Issues
Something rings a bell... I think we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago. I believe it is supposed to work across stores but there may be a bug. Maybe there is even a fix, I just can't remember yet. -Original Message- From: Timothy Schilbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cross Database Permisions/Issues Hi Everyone, I am haviong a hard time figguring this simple issue out and I am hoping that you all can help me. For some reason when I give a user permission to a simple calendar (called scheduling or something) they keep getting a popup box that says 'Store Cannot Be Opened'. Ok thats easy enough right? Well the real fun is that they can open any calendar they have been given permissions to that are located on the same server (not nessecarily same storage group), but not ones located in different servers. All the servers are in teh same site and domain, so why the issue? We havent locked down pemrissions between databases or storage groups, so its wierd that this issue is even occuring. To make things even more fun, if I go to OWA and open that calendar up, I can get to it WITHOUT issue. Its only when I use my MAPI client (outlook 97 - 2003 it doesnt matter) that I cannot open these calendars, mailboxes, or other shared mailbox resources. What am I missing? Timothy H. Schilbach Alpha Omega Design Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our NEW website at www.aodinc.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
No, but it might be a government conspiracy. That's what my friend Rusty Shackleford thinks, anyways. (Note: $5 USD to the person that can name the TV show and character that said that line) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cross Database Permisions/Issues
Thank you for the prompt reply, I should start by stating that all of our servers are at: Windows 2000 w/ SP4 Exchange 2000 w/ SP Post SP3 Hotfix (September) I have all hotfixes and everything else applied, this is just really wierd that its ok on the same servers or between stores on the same server, but when you leave that system, there is a problem. Although I dont quite get why I can go through OWA, that proves the ACL and DACL's are in place and working without issue. It has something to do with going from one server through MAPI to another server through MAPI. I dont get an 'Access Denied' or anything, just a 'Store Cannot Be Opened'. Its almost like the two systems just dont see each other. I also check all the logs on both servers and there is not even an entry or anything that would lend any help in solving the issue. Quite wierd indeed. Timothy H. Schilbach Alpha Omega Design Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our NEW website at www.aodinc.com Something rings a bell... I think we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago. I believe it is supposed to work across stores but there may be a bug. Maybe there is even a fix, I just can't remember yet. -Original Message- From: Timothy Schilbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cross Database Permisions/Issues Hi Everyone, I am haviong a hard time figguring this simple issue out and I am hoping that you all can help me. For some reason when I give a user permission to a simple calendar (called scheduling or something) they keep getting a popup box that says 'Store Cannot Be Opened'. Ok thats easy enough right? Well the real fun is that they can open any calendar they have been given permissions to that are located on the same server (not nessecarily same storage group), but not ones located in different servers. All the servers are in teh same site and domain, so why the issue? We havent locked down pemrissions between databases or storage groups, so its wierd that this issue is even occuring. To make things even more fun, if I go to OWA and open that calendar up, I can get to it WITHOUT issue. Its only when I use my MAPI client (outlook 97 - 2003 it doesnt matter) that I cannot open these calendars, mailboxes, or other shared mailbox resources. What am I missing? Timothy H. Schilbach Alpha Omega Design Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our NEW website at www.aodinc.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sources of outages
I'll tell you what! That has to be Dale, the exterminator from King of the Hill. Keep your $ -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages No, but it might be a government conspiracy. That's what my friend Rusty Shackleford thinks, anyways. (Note: $5 USD to the person that can name the TV show and character that said that line) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: RE: Sources of outages
Excellent job! I have 4 seasons of King of the Hill sitting on my Tivo right now. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages I'll tell you what! That has to be Dale, the exterminator from King of the Hill. Keep your $ -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages No, but it might be a government conspiracy. That's what my friend Rusty Shackleford thinks, anyways. (Note: $5 USD to the person that can name the TV show and character that said that line) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages There is no secret cabal!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages What percentages is due to covert action by unethical MVPs with secret agendas ? -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Apathy - 75% -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sources of outages Poor Admin Practices : 90% -Original Message- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Sources of outages Regarding general sources of corporate computing outages, these figures seem to be accurate. Agree? Communication lines and services 80 percent Servers 14 percent Routers and switches 1 percent Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
Do they have My Mother the Car? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Yep. This year for Christmas they gave me the first season of Hello Larry on DVD. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? MS paid you to say that, didn't they... :P -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients?
We can help you with that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Yeah. Whatever. goes and sulks at his Ex5.5 deployment -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Well, to be nit-picky, its one copy per mailbox store! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Actually, its one copy per server containing a mailbox in the distribution. That's important to remember when dealing with multiple servers. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? As Tony says, search under Single Instance Storage (aka SIS) for the techie explanation. In the case your friend cites, he's wrong. What will happen is that your mail gets sent to 1000 people, and there is one copy of it. Now if one of them opens that mail and annotates it with their thoughts on what you said, and then saves it, then the server will hold one copy of his altered mail for him and 1 other copy for the other 999 people. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College RM Eunt Domus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2003 10:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Impact of sending attachment to many recipients? Hi, Let's say a user sends a 1Mb attachment by email to 1000 people, does it add 1000Mb to the Exchange Database? I put out a post like this before the replies were negative. But now a friend pointed out that a recipient who has a mailbox on the Exchange Server could for example open this email change it. Then save it (i.e. the email was changed). So he's saying that this shows that each person gets their personal copy of the email. Therefore, the 1Mb attachment in the email to 1000 people DOES increase the Exchange Database size by 1000Mb. Pls. can you shed some light on this discussion for us? I'd appreciate some official article from Microsoft (e.g. Technet) to prove my point. Help! Thanks in advance. Pls. Cc all replies to me on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Day 3: Lessons Learned GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
We should change the name of this list to Deckler's Blog. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Day 3: Lessons Learned GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Day 3 was pretty much finishing up some details with nothing much new and exciting to report. Was able to bring up the GW 6.5 client connected to both GW and Exchange and this allows one to drag and drop contacts but not PDL's. Also tried with the GW 5.2.6 client with similar results. Created a manual process for PDL migration, which is manually intensive but works and does not cost any money. Other than that, reconfigured Rocket to migrate using each user's account and password versus a single, Migration account. Tested this out thoroughly and this seems to work great. I finally got a message back from the creator of GBMT. He has never tested it with any client 6.x client since Microsoft's tools do not officially support migrating from anything other than 5.x. Did recommend using the GW5.5 client, which I have used in the past and does seem to work better with GBMT, although I have found that the Migration Wizard works worse with this version of the client. If anyone has any questions or comments or additional insights, please forward them along. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Excuse me, but you seem to have us confused with people that give a rat's ass what you think. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather monotonous and boring to keep stating in my opinion all the time when, in my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words earth, round and flat. In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word round refers to a 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a 3-d object are equal distance from its center. Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy now? I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Looking down, I see that you just pleaded, Will everyone just drop this discussion? Didn't you really mean everyone else? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
Spam is a synonym of the more technically correct term, unsolicited commercial e-mail, or UCE. The name is pretty much self-defining. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moir Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment I'd say that's spam. There is a lot of argument about what exactly spam is, and I would say this falls under the definition I use - unsolicited, commercial, bulk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cross Database Permisions/Issues
That is not normal behavior. Sorry that I can't tell you what is causing it, though. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Schilbach Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cross Database Permisions/Issues Hi Everyone, I am haviong a hard time figguring this simple issue out and I am hoping that you all can help me. For some reason when I give a user permission to a simple calendar (called scheduling or something) they keep getting a popup box that says 'Store Cannot Be Opened'. Ok thats easy enough right? Well the real fun is that they can open any calendar they have been given permissions to that are located on the same server (not nessecarily same storage group), but not ones located in different servers. All the servers are in teh same site and domain, so why the issue? We havent locked down pemrissions between databases or storage groups, so its wierd that this issue is even occuring. To make things even more fun, if I go to OWA and open that calendar up, I can get to it WITHOUT issue. Its only when I use my MAPI client (outlook 97 - 2003 it doesnt matter) that I cannot open these calendars, mailboxes, or other shared mailbox resources. What am I missing? Timothy H. Schilbach Alpha Omega Design Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our NEW website at www.aodinc.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is SPAM - Please comment
We have some logical fallacies floating about here. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Oh wait, I get it. Since MVPs are unethical and SPAM is unethical, any message coming from an MVP must be unethical. Phew. I'm glad you pointed that out to the list. /tongue-in-cheek Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment Any email with MVP in the signature is spam. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: What is SPAM - Please comment More ethical discussions? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: What is SPAM - Please comment Dear All I would be interested in any comments about the following ethical problem. Recently I was contacted by an acquaintance who sent me the following email. Hi I would be grateful if you could forward an email to your colleague's users about a number of telephony and Internet access packages I am involved in offering to BT users. The Broadband Offerings start at £15.99, which I believe is amongst the cheapest around. Tiscali that I know you have good experiences of supplies the packages. They would all save your users money and some of them are free. If you want to you could join up as an associate and make money as well. The users can find out more info by visiting www.telco-store.com Thanks for your assistance. . My question to you is whether if I were to send out a mail to my colleagues would you consider this Spam. I do believe that this is a good offering from a reputable company which would save my users money but it could fall under the category of unsolicited email. However so is a global email to my users warning them of Spam from Nigeria for example or warning them that somebody has left their car headlights on in the works carpark !! Do you consider this different to producing a paper notice about this offering and sticking it on the works notice board. I welcome your comments -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Actually I just gave up, and gave in -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Looking down, I see that you just pleaded, Will everyone just drop this discussion? Didn't you really mean everyone else? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Pretty quickly--six minutes. There's a name for that but this is a family forum. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Actually I just gave up, and gave in -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Looking down, I see that you just pleaded, Will everyone just drop this discussion? Didn't you really mean everyone else? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash
