On Friday 19 Sep 2003 3:43 am, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Thu Sep 18, 2003 at 07:29:36PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Thanks from here too for the hard work you do Vincent. Tuning
in to the list on top of security updates is over and above
the call of duty :-)
=) Unfortunately,
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 01:19, Anne Wilson wrote:
... Why is it I detect a sense of wry sarcasm in that last word.
*grin*
Ummm... no sarcasm here... honest. =)
Seriously, tho, I sometimes think this list is full of experts,
then other times I think all the newbies on the newbie
On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 12:14 am, Vincent Danen wrote:
With all that in mind, I think this one-man operation is pretty
damn speedy.
absolutely, but... let's step into the managerial mind for a
little while:
Well, let's put this properly. Vincent doesn't *need* help.
Vincent would
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 11:52, Avi Schwartz wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 08:19:45AM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
That is another problem. I found out about it from other
distribution's security announcements then I
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:43, Jack Coates wrote:
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:
Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list. There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
same way, they
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With all due respect to you all, but I don`t like the idea one bit. It
means
Mandrakesoft has a line into my taskbar which I did not ask for. Just as I
don`t like Microsoft working interactively with my computer, or other
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 14:42, Jack Coates wrote:
Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
...
Mandrake is typically pretty slow about updates compared to RH and
Gentoo, but hopefully that'll change if/when they hire Vincent some
minions :-)
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 21:39, Jack Coates wrote:
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 16:14, Vincent Danen wrote:
...
path 1: Ignore the situation until Vincent flames out, then hire some
starry-eyed outsider who thinks he can fix everything.
/me shudders
path 2: When the money starts coming
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 02:02, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:43, Jack Coates wrote:
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:
Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list. There
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 08:13, Jack Coates wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 02:02, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:43, Jack Coates wrote:
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:
Problem is people don't take security
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:13, Jack Coates wrote:
Red Hat definitely sucks pretty bad. I've been having to do a lot of
work with 6.2 and 7.3 lately, building test environments to recreate
customer-discovered bugs in. Man, I miss urpmi. up2date is just flatout
broken in 6.2 (way out of support
Mike Rambo wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:13, Jack Coates wrote:
Red Hat definitely sucks pretty bad. I've been having to do a lot of
work with 6.2 and 7.3 lately, building test environments to recreate
customer-discovered bugs in. Man, I miss urpmi. up2date is just flatout
broken in 6.2 (way
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 09:41:34PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
Let's try path #3. Get someone competent so Vincent doesn't have to
re-train multiple people (thus wasting enormous amounts of time).
Let's try path #4. Go to Scotland and get Vincent cloned. You don't have
to name
On Thu Sep 18, 2003 at 09:49:47AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
With all that in mind, I think this one-man operation is pretty
damn speedy.
absolutely, but... let's step into the managerial mind for a
little while:
Well, let's put this properly. Vincent doesn't *need* help.
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:39, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 09:41:34PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
Let's try path #3. Get someone competent so Vincent doesn't have to
re-train multiple people (thus wasting enormous amounts of time).
Let's try path #4. Go to
On Thu Sep 18, 2003 at 07:29:36PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Thanks from here too for the hard work you do Vincent. Tuning in to the
list on top of security updates is over and above the call of duty :-)
=) Unfortunately, there's no one else active on the expert list.. the
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh
They did? How do you recieve notification? I though I
was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
recieved a message in well over 6 months. Do I need
to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification by
other means? Obviously, staying
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources
That is another problem. I found out about it from other
distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there. They should send an
announcement like this to the mailing lists.
Avi
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:02 AM,
That is another problem. I found out about it from
other
distribution's security announcements then I checked
MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there. They
should send an
announcement like this to the mailing lists.
Avi
That's strange! I think of individuals that are
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh
(BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the
exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi
--update
--auto-select told me that everything is up to date.
Tried the
Tango Echo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu 2003
16:39):
That is another problem. I found out about it from
other
distribution's security announcements then I checked
MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there. They
should send an
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:39, Tango Echo wrote:
That is another problem. I found out about it from
other
distribution's security announcements then I checked
MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there. They
should send an
announcement like this to the mailing lists.
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:39, Tango Echo wrote:
That is another problem. I found out about it
from
other
distribution's security announcements then I
checked
MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there.
They
should send an
announcement like this to the mailing lists.
Thomas Backlund schrieb am Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:46:10 +0300:
Tango Echo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu
2003 16:39):
So I guess the answer to my question is: Check
mandrakesecure.net at least once a week - look on the
right side for Recent Mandrake Linux
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:16:07 -0500, Avi Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be also nice if Mandrake would send notification about security
patches to their mailing lists.
I this is a good idea, too.
Miark
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to
Hi Jack,
Thanks for the reminder... However I should have been
more clear in what I was trying to say. We can all
agree that Mandrake is known as the newbie's Linux
while of course still remaining a powerful operating
system. I was suggesting that Mandrake include some
type of update app
Avi Schwartz wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:16, Avi Schwartz wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 06:02:22AM -0700, Tango Echo wrote:
They did? How do you recieve notification? I though I
was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
recieved a message in well over 6 months. Do I need
to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification by
other means?
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 08:19:45AM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
That is another problem. I found out about it from other
distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure and
found that they posted the information there. They should send an
announcement like this to the
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:59 -0600
Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only problem is that you're not subscribed to the right mailing
list. Subscribe to the announce list (via MandrakeSecure, the very
site you were on).
It is all documented on the mailing list page
Security holes are
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
Avi Schwartz wrote:
Also downloading the list of files can be a major pain. Couple of
15MB lists can take awhile, even at IDSL speeds (144K) not to mention
dial-up speeds.
Avi
and set up an update source that uses rsync
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 08:19:45AM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
That is another problem. I found out about it from other
distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure
and
found that they posted the
On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:52 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote:
I appreciate the information and I just subscribed to the announce
list. However, the same way I didn't know about the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list I am sure there are many others
that are not aware of it. If there is a bug that has a potential
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:
Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay
attention
to one of the many:
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 01:52:09PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay
attention
to one of the many:
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:
Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list. There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
and then what?
Yep agree.
Vincent Danen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu 2003
22:07):
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 01:52:09PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay
attention
to one of the many:
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:
Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list. There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
and
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 02:03:48PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay
attention
to one of the many:
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly
Avi Schwartz wrote:
[..]
need this extra help. One nice touch SuSE has is a small icon in the
KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates available.
Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for updates, show
the last update log or start the update process. very
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list. There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
and then what?
Yep
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:36 -0700
Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Avi Schwartz wrote:
[..]
need this extra help. One nice touch SuSE has is a small icon
in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates
available. Click on it and you get a menu allowing you
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:25:04 +0300, Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about
Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?:
Vincent Danen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu
2003 22:07):
{ Avi Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
icon in the KDE task bar which changes
Are you serious?? One man operation??
What will happen if/when the heat stroke gets you?
Wandering.
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates
wrote:
Problem is people don't take security seriously,
so they don't sign
up for the
Dick Gevers wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:25:04 +0300, Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about
Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?:
Vincent Danen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu
2003 22:07):
{ Avi Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
icon in the KDE
With all due respect to you all, but I don`t like the idea one bit. It
means
Mandrakesoft has a line into my taskbar which I did not ask for. Just as I
don`t like Microsoft working interactively with my computer, or other
adware/spyware calling home when I still used Windows, I wouldn`t
Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
...
Mandrake is typically pretty slow about updates compared to RH and
Gentoo, but hopefully that'll change if/when they hire Vincent some
minions :-)
I think all things considered, we aren't that slow. If
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:
I think all things considered, we aren't that slow. If you're
defining slow
by a few hours, shame on you, if you're defining it by a few days,
shame on
me.
I think we're fairly close to the other big players when it comes to
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:14:27 -0700, Rolf Pedersen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a
pain in the ...?:
It means Mandrakesoft has a line into my taskbar which I did not ask for.
I don't think that's what it means. What
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 02:07:26PM -0700, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote:
Are you serious?? One man operation??
What will happen if/when the heat stroke gets you?
Wandering.
What heat stroke?
Anyways, there is a backup person in case I do get run over, drowned, beat
by my wife, etc. so no
On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 02:42:25PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:
I think all things considered, we aren't that slow. If you're defining
slow
by a few hours, shame on you, if you're defining it by a few days, shame on
me.
I think we're fairly close to the other big players when it comes to the
Vincent Danen schrieb am Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:14:07 -0600:
Let's try path #3. Get someone competent so Vincent doesn't have to
re-train multiple people (thus wasting enormous amounts of time).
Let's try path #4. Go to Scotland and get Vincent cloned. You don't have
to name him Dolly #3,
On Thu Sep 18, 2003 at 02:01:32AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Let's try path #3. Get someone competent so Vincent doesn't have to
re-train multiple people (thus wasting enormous amounts of time).
Let's try path #4. Go to Scotland and get Vincent cloned. You don't have
to name him
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Eric Fernandez wrote:
I proposed that idea on the cooker ML after release of 9.1. The idea was
to perform an automatic urpmi.update command on a medium if the install
of a package failed with error message you may have to update your
medium.
I don't think that this is as
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 16:14, Vincent Danen wrote:
...
path 1: Ignore the situation until Vincent flames out, then hire some
starry-eyed outsider who thinks he can fix everything.
/me shudders
path 2: When the money starts coming in again, hire some college kids to
help out. Rinse
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 17:34, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Thu Sep 18, 2003 at 02:01:32AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Let's try path #3. Get someone competent so Vincent doesn't have to
re-train multiple people (thus wasting enormous amounts of time).
Let's try path #4. Go to Scotland
Sylpheed-Claws has such a plug-in to tell me when I have mail.
Scared me to death the first time everything flashed. Thought kde
had suffered a cardiac thing.
I got a good chuckle out of your post.
I unplugged it. I always have new mail.
Hey, so do i :)
--
Mandrake HowTo's More:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up to date. Tried the
graphical updater, the same
Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did not
update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up to date. Tried the
graphical
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 10:38 PM, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
it may be that like me you have installed some package via cooker that might
have required a later openssh? i found i had 3.6.1p2-4 and therefore
3.6.1p2-1.1 was seen as not an upgrade, i'm hopefull that there will a
further cooker package with the needed patch becasue when i went to uninstall
On Tue Sep 16, 2003 at 10:05:18PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that
On Tue Sep 16, 2003 at 10:45:07PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 10:52 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Tue Sep 16, 2003 at 10:45:07PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the
I had 3.6.1p1 installed, but as other have pointed out, I was probably
using a mirror that was not updated yet.
Avi
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 10:48 PM, bascule wrote:
it may be that like me you have installed some package via cooker that
might
have required a later openssh? i found i
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 11:27 PM, Jack Coates wrote:
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating). I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up
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