[FairfieldLife] Re: Ralph's list ('The Name . . .)

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ruth wrote: > > ...technically life began before conception because > > the cells involved were alive. > > > "A zygote is the first complete cell formed from the > union of egg and sperm -- as it splits

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ralph's list ('The Name . . .)

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having > delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life > begins at conception. I am legally responsible > for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there's > a l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing awake and asleep

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 25, 2008, at 1:09 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > I had a similar experience during a car accident many years ago. > > Time > > > slowed, no panic, and I could watch dispassionately. Not to minimize > > > our experiences,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing, was: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > Witnessing is not a dissassociative state in which different > > > aspects of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing awake and asleep

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > > > I had a similar experience during a car accident many years ago. Time > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Karen vs. Food (Steve Martin of Wilmington)

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm impressed that you are able to have Karen in mind and then be able > to think of "supper" too! I'm in awe of your ability to handle such > extremism, Ruth. > > Edg (9) > No one could ever accuse me of anorexia.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wrote: > > > I know everything is linked when on a warm day and I lay down on the > > grass and smell the warm earth. > > > Didn't you forget a Karen Capenter song going on in the background? > I hear Ka

[FairfieldLife] Witnessing awake and asleep

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Witnessing is not a dissassociative state in which different aspects of the > personality are fragmented from one another. It's a natural experience that > arises when the silent aspect of life is open to awareness a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Am I lucky to own Raisio [rye-see-oh] shares?

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php? > leftnm=1&autono=314689 > > Cholesterol drug launched > Benecol has been around a while. It is a brand name for products, like margarine, with added pl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Am I lucky to own Raisio [rye-see-oh] shares?

2008-02-25 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php? > leftnm=1&autono=314689 > > Cholesterol drug launched > Benecol has been around a while. It is a brand name for products, like margarine, with added pl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-24 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my experience: Bliss is stupid. Bliss is dumb. As > the bondage goes in this TM path there is tremendous > bliss. Overwhelming bliss that grows and grows and > grows...and grows. Then the siddhis start, not flying > or tu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-24 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > Tell me y'all, who has found the siddhi's > > experiences to be superior to that of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-24 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > Tell me y'all, who has found the siddhi's > > experiences to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:22 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > All the research in this series of posts come from the text > Consciousness and Self-Regulation 3 which is a series of textbooks on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >. > > They did however, after examining the question of 'is there a unique > effect in tm-style meditation' come to some sound scientific > observations in that regard and also make some comments of TM research > methods.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ruth, in my observation, researchers don't usually > include information as to whether they practice > meditation, and if so what flavor, on their CVs. > Perhaps they should be required to provide that > informatio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > As near as I can determine, the researchers had no affiliation > > with the TMO, b

[FairfieldLife] Teaching abssence of bliss ? (Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington)

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "itsstevemartin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I love this group. Wonderful dialog. Sorry to offend anybody but I > guess I just wrongly assumed that a group called Fairfield Life > (Fairfield being the US center of TM) would basically mostly affirm > the TM e

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha caught on video flying

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He/she looks like super man. Tilts forward, rockets > aa!!! > I mis-read you post as saying "tits forward."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Clinton and Obama

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm passing on what a friend sent me. I have not > checked the accuracy of this information. Perhaps > some of you have and can comment? > > > > Let's take a closer look at who's really qualified and > or who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Clinton and Obama

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm passing on what a friend sent me. I have not > checked the accuracy of this information. Perhaps > some of you have and can comment? > > > > Let's take a closer look at who's really qualified and > or who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > I didn't see Vaj as misleading. > > It's misleading in that Vaj presents

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Martin of Wilmington

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very nice, thanks for posting this. Your patience has payed off. > Unfortunately it is wasted on this group of cynics who, like Rick > Archer said, hardly had any experiences on the sutras. I too was interested in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
I didn't see Vaj as misleading. As Judy says, and Vaj also said in his original post, the researchers performed all three studies with the first being a pilot study. The interesting point, as the researchers themselves mention, is that the "research illustrates the importance of careful control w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Nation

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Meditation Nation > Donovan has chosen Scotland as the home of The world's first university of transcendental meditation. But is Scotland ready to take the eastern art to its heart? Paul Dalgarno finds out "When a cou

[FairfieldLife] The Maharishi, the TMO and women

2008-02-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Transcendental_meditation_-_Criticis\ ms_and_controversies/id/2085021 This website, which is talking about controversies and TM, includes the following: Transcendental meditation - Sexism and the TM organization According to historian Stanley Wolpert (A New Hi

[FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-21 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > During the book signing portion of Deepak's bookstore appearance last night, he > graciously responded "Oh, yes !," when I extended Rick Archer's greeting, and Rick's > written request on Yahoo Groups Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-20 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My gal-pal here says that Chopra was on Larry King Live, talked about > Dana Reeve's death, and said that she'd died from causes related to > her lymphatic system. Could he give details about how such a thing works? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-20 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just got an e-mail from an independenet bookstore announcing Deepak tonight will present > a new book 'The Third Jesus' to the public. This bookstore opens the floor to questions to > the author. I'm schedule

[FairfieldLife] Re: Headaches - GABA - Theanine

2008-02-19 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---People with HBP can benefit from the program below. Poses no risk > whatsoever in the amounts indicated. Try to stay away from orthodox- > allopathic doctors as much as possible. (not good for your health!). > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Headaches - GABA - Theanine

2008-02-19 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --thanks, I posted it. Also, you can add 1-2 caps of licorice root > but only for 1-2 days since too much licorice root can cause edema. > Also, add 1-2 tablets of Potassium-Magnesium asparate to the program, > maki

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss

2008-02-19 Thread ruthsimplicity
Thank you for taking my questions seriously and answering them. Ruthie Oops! I am almost out of posts for the week. I guess that means I better get back to work!

[FairfieldLife] Re: On Becoming a Demigod

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:05 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > Well he admits in his blog that Bush was definatley a mistake. And the > > Bee Gees. And Richard Simmons. Pretty much everything else, was on > > target. > > E

[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I came to this group with a complex set of feelings about TMO, TM and > MMY. I have expressed both my list of grievances and things I loved, > the things I loved list got ignored. > [snip] Fred, I recall your post wit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Maharishi's 1967 talk on "The Seven States of Consciousness" - Full Text > Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for. Vaj, thank you as well. I just needed some jostling. Interesting how naming t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Chopra Letter

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FWIW -- About what did or didn't happen with Chopra and Maharishi -- I > don't think it's possible to establish exactly what happened in any > event in the past. The perception we had at the time was selective or

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
I need a review. I just can't really remember how the seven states of consciousness worked and a brief googling didn' get me much other than this: http://www.tmbulletin.com/volume6/TMBulletinV6I05.htm Maharishi: "Right from the beginning, higher states of consciousness has meant seven states o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > thanks for clarifying that, so the straw man here is "just sitting > twice a day doing the program". i agree that that doesn't work for > me either. gotta dip the cloth and hang it in the sun and all that. > E

[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > so in other words, rather than finding out who we are and what our > purpose in this life may be, we should remain not knowing who we > are, and even what this life is all about, and shrouded within our > illus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > When I am on my deathbed I want to look back > > and say that I lived a good life. > > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: attention sandiego

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" > > wrote: > > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've noticed a thread that goes something like, "Why would an > enlightened guy do X?" followed by some implication like, "he wasn't > enlightened" or "enlightened guys work in mysterious ways." What a great su

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no > matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and > your own common sense." > > ~~ Buddha > Thank you for the lovely and on

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Think We Need To Know

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know of NO spiritual tradition on > the planet with the exception of Maharishi's TMO > that believes that the indicator of full enlight- > enment is the ability to float (levitate). I know > of many who would, in fact, d

[FairfieldLife] Re: attention sandiego

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > the insults are to the individual ego, that it ever thinks it knows > what is going on within its treasured context of segregated, albeit > artificial, existence. this keeps getting broken down by tearing > do

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra

2008-02-17 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Vaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" wrote: > > > > So what I want to know, did MMY fill this out: > > http://www.vedicvibration.com/apply/endocrine

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
So what I want to know, did MMY fill this out: http://www.vedicvibration.com/apply/endocrine/pancreas.html and go on an appropriately kapha pacifying diet?

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > > ruthsimplicity@ wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > Maybe MMY himself couldn't believe that he could be having such > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > wrote: > > > > All of this talk about events surrounding MMY's health in > > 1990/91, the heart attack etc, and Deepak Chopra's role in > > same sounded vaguely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Creating that kind of experience for a student is quite an > accomplishment for a sage, no? No. And what does that say about Nader, Morris, Hagelin et. al? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi illness timeline

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Oh, yeah, Amazon's data can be unreliable. But I > was looking "inside the book," i.e., at the scanned > copyright page from the actual revised/updated > edition of 2001. > I don't know why I didn't think of this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > so you only want feel good spirituality? something soothing that > keeps you in your comfort zone-- wholly understandable and friendly? > compassionate and empathetic. if you are nodding your head Yes, you > ab

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi illness timeline

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > > wrote: > > &g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi illness timeline

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > wrote: > > > > I have videotapes of all the Jan.12ths and all > > the GPs from those years. Maharishi was there > > for each. > > Interesting, thanks. Wo

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Chopra Letter

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As Rilke wrote, "Be patient toward all that is > unsolved in your heart and learn to love the > questions themselves." > Wise words. I truly love the grand mystery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > > My gut feeling is that if you describe MMY's behavior in detail > > t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > My gut feeling is that if you describe MMY's behavior in detail > > to a number of psychol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > My gut feeling is that if you describe MMY's behavior in detail to a > > number of

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's Response re Indian Dr re Deepak Chopra's story

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > diswartz2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are times he justs ignores > people or casts them off. He can get frustrated, upset, do silly > things, etc. because he is a human being. Obviously the vast vast > ma

[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The problem TMO mgmt had was that many teachers were going > independent in order to avoid charging the new high fees for TM > instruction. This created a situation where people initiated into TM > by independ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ruth, we're all "trained" one way or another. It is impossible for any living thing not to be "trained" from birth on (and maybe before). And all "training" looks more or less "normal" from the inside. It only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ruth, we're all "trained" one way or another. It is impossible for any living thing not to be "trained" from birth on (and maybe before). And all "training" looks more or less "normal" from the inside. It only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > > Judy, you made the comment: > > > > "The DSM diagnoses, remem

[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > "authfriend" wrote: "I dunno whether invincibility as he used > > the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old > > age. Can't really ar

[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm inclined to think it was his physical > security they were all concerned about rather > than his health per se. > It's still very unclear when this illness took > place. In different published interiews and > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > wrote: > > > He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? > > For how long, and how big were the bottles? If > he had diabetes, it could have been f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action

2008-02-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
Judy, you made the comment: "The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope." which may be generally true, I don't know, I am not a shrink. However,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:21 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor > responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 > pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and > teacher of Adva

[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor > responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 > pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and > teacher of Adva

[FairfieldLife] Re: FYI: A spiritual teacher speaks about Barack Obama

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: FYI: A spiritual teacher speaks about Barack Obama

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anybody have any idea? > I think he found a new cool word and wanted to use it. I also see from a google search that the word is used in the context of making sense of suffering of black people, but it really s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Quite What I Was Planning

2008-02-15 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great title for a book, great concept - describing > a whole lifetime in six words: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0061374059/boingboing/ > > Might I suggest it as an exercise for us wordsmiths > at Fairf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak: The Untold Story

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the_b_86412.html > The Huffington Post > DEEPAK CHOPRA > The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Former Disciple > Posted February 13, 20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The very assumption that there *was* a poisoning > > is the part of Chopra's story that sounds weird > > to me. He's a doctor; how could he even suggest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Experience Query

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had terrible migraine headaches during my teen years. They always > started with a black and red checkerboard pattern obscuring the left > side of everything in my visual field. Next, the pattern would go > away, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Experience Query

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oliver Sacks has an essay today in the New York Times re migraines, > > http://migraine.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/patterns/index.html > > and it reminded me of something that occurs occasionally in > meditatio

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO future - just speculation

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
Oh yes, I am wise But it's wisdom born of pain Yes, I've paid the price But look how much I gained If I have to I can do anything I am strong (strong) I am invincible (invincible) I am Bevan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak, Maharishi, and "doctor-patient confidentiality"

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of shempmcgurk > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:09 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak, Maharish

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak, Maharishi, and "doctor-patient confidentiality"

2008-02-14 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So Chopra was Maharishi's physician. But in his piece he discloses > personal information about Maharishi of both a medical and personal > nature, both of which are protected information. > > The problem is

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-13 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Criticism can be expressed > in a neutral tone, rather than a disparaging one. And the TMO, its researchers and people on this forum could do the same.[;)] I said: > > To this day I know plenty of MDs

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-13 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The very worst of the studies is the one commonly > known as the "German study." Its formal title is > "The Report of Germany's Institute for Youth and > Society on TM." It was never published, but its > "findings

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Such studies are interesting, but where are the real Siddhis? A > bonafide demonstration of a Siddhi will really shake things up. > > Yes. Bend me one law of physics and I will be charmed. I am the oppos

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >

[FairfieldLife] TM and religion

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
I am going to throw one more thing out there, and then I am outtahere until late tomorrow. There has been several discussions on TM and religion over the past couple of days. There also has been discussions about whether TM or other effortless meditation techniques were used in the ancient world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Going from memory here, but IIRC, Omre-Johnson doesn't even note one important thing > about how the study is quoted. It never says that that 70% of people who start TM have > problems. Instead, it lists teh p

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TM can't *force* independent researchers to attempt > replication of the TM studies. Such researchers are > more likely to want to do a study that finds "adverse > effects." (One of them counted "boredom" as an adverse

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
> The claim that MMY gave out only one mantra in the beginning flies in the face of Paul > Mason's own publications about how Gurudev explained that certain mantras were not > suitable for women, OM, specifically. > > Lawson What was the rationale? Any particular mantras not suitable for men?

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:30 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > Vaj, I don't think there is en

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:30 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > Vaj, I don't think there is enough research to conclude how many > > suffer from adverse effects. it just hasn't had the in

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:45 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > I am getting lost in the "grievances" thread and thought I would start > > a new topic so I can find my post later on. Judy

[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
So, there is at least some indication that a large number quit before they arguably gave it a chance. TM researchers should have been interested in this phenomenon. They could have studied how long it took for most people to have perceptible positive results. Then they could have passed that alo

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, those guys are in their mid-twenties? Time to stop thinking about them as boys. I taught Ben Este, Ben Kaplan, Jesse Narducci, etc. You're right they're a bit older than Daniel Mescon and Erin. Most, thou

[FairfieldLife] So, does TM work?

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
I am getting lost in the "grievances" thread and thought I would start a new topic so I can find my post later on. Judy got me thinking about the rewards of TM when we were talking about whether a technique of effortless transcending would have been prevalent in the ancient world. --- In Fairfi

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-12 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" > ruthsimplicity@ wrote: > > > I suppose I could speak more precisely as you clearly value > > precisio

[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That Ruth can really lay it down, can't she Curtis? She's become my > favorite writer > herebumping you from the top peg wasn't easy > brother! > > I was a fan from her first posts here! I don't mind bein

[FairfieldLife] Re: New to the group

2008-02-11 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bwaytheatrediva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm truly sorry you had such horrible experiences, but that doesn't > make my experiences any less valid or less real. Every day as I > would walk up the sidewalk to school, I would plan my suicide. > Luckily

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