[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It never occurred to me that the word heroics could be used to refer to the soap opera events you had just described. I thought you were referring to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It never occurred to me that the word heroics could be used to refer to the soap

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It never occurred to me that the word heroics could be used to refer to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ Move along folks, nothing to see. It was just the beer fog talkn'. Drinking beer at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread awoelflebater
Raunchy, I have to acknowledge your kind post. Sometimes you just want to give up on certain things, like trying to make unreasonable people find reason. So, that is what I am going to do. That was my last shot at that. At least now I know who is not either willing or able to open their minds

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
about them.   From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model   Well at least ONE reader

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
awoelflebater: Raunchy, I have to acknowledge your kind post. Sometimes you just want to give up on certain things, like trying to make unreasonable people find reason. So, that is what I am going to do. That was my last shot at that. At least now I know who is not either willing or able

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Raunchy, I have to acknowledge your kind post. Just in case you failed to notice, Ann, it wasn't a kind post, it was a pile on Barry post. :-) Sometimes you just want to give up on certain things, like trying to make

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread awoelflebater
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: awoelflebater: Raunchy, I have to acknowledge your kind post. Sometimes you just want to give up on certain things, like trying to make unreasonable people find reason. So, that is what I am going to do. That was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread authfriend
Emily, just ignore this. Your post was fine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Emily Reyn: Geez, I almost missed this exchange. Very interesting and Ann, I thought you were pretty clear. What's not clear, Emily, is which part of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
authfriend: Emily, just ignore this. Your post was fine. Thanks for snipping, now it's clear who and what is being commented on. But, what's with the lazy 'top-posting'? Geez, I almost missed this exchange. Very interesting and Ann, I thought you were pretty clear. What's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. My bad. It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Emily Reyn
...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model   Emily Reyn: Geez, I almost missed this exchange. Very interesting and Ann, I thought you were pretty clear. What's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Emily Reyn
, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model   authfriend: Emily, just ignore this. Your post was fine. Thanks for snipping, now it's clear who and what is being commented on. But, what's with the lazy 'top-posting'? Geez, I almost

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-12 Thread Emily Reyn
: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model Richard, when I decided to comment point by point, I will use a different color.  But, bear in mind, what I say is not *that* important and often I comment off-the-cuff, so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Ah, but I think you confuse moodmaker with someone who could appear egotistical, even a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread authfriend
This from the guy who gets all hot and bothered when someone who was never around MMY dares make a comment about him. Even though they've seen many hours of MMY videotapes, but Barry has never seen so much as a minute of video of Robin's seminars and wasn't even at MIU when Robin was doing his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
With all due respect, Ann, what this sounds like to me is a bunch of moodmaking on *your* part, to color your memories such that *you* feel noble. authfriend: Tell me again why anybody here thinks Barry has anything worthwhile to say. I've gave up on Barry, as far as factual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread awoelflebater
Hi Barry! I'll try and answer some of your queries because I think there are some interesting and valid ones here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Hi Barry! I'll try and answer some of your queries because I think there are some interesting and valid ones here. Thank you. I will impart to you the corresponding respect of replying to your replies in real time, as I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread authfriend
Earlier this morning I made a post in which I asked at the end why anybody would consider anything Barry says these days to be worthwhile. He's thoughtfully followed up with another batch of even better examples of his utter inanity: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Earlier this morning I made a post in which I asked at the end why anybody would consider anything Barry says these days to be worthwhile. He's thoughtfully followed up with another batch of even better examples of his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread awoelflebater
Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. Granted, she is smart, analytical, reasonable, meticulous and insightful. But surely the average FFL'er could understand most of what I said. Of course, I also realize most are not interested in this subject of mine but I was hoping

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Well at least ONE reader here knew what I was writing about. Granted, she is smart, analytical, reasonable, meticulous and insightful. But surely the average FFL'er could understand most of what I said. Of course, I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-11 Thread Emily Reyn
assumption he's made about them.   From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model   Well at least ONE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@ wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. In most cases a mood-maker is someone who invents moods

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:46 PM, iamyukta wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. My dictionary has a little engraving of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen in it, if that helps. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread Vaj
On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:08 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@ wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. In most cases

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread awoelflebater
Vaj, I think you could have picked a much better example of a mood maker, for goodness sake, Barry is more of a bliss ninny than Robin ever was. Robin was the renegade, the upstart the guy who was the very antithesis of that. You should remember, you'd get your ass kicked for mooning around in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread Vaj
On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:50 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Vaj, I think you could have picked a much better example of a mood maker, for goodness sake, Barry is more of a bliss ninny than Robin ever was. Robin was the renegade, the upstart the guy who was the very antithesis of that. You should

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread iamyukta
Thank you for the informationit was helpful.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@ wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@ wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread iamyukta
So, it should not be taken as a compliment?? And one should consider the source?? I am not sure how i should take being referred as this by my teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: A mood maker is someone who tries to behave like, or feel like, or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread turquoiseb
One short troll, just thrown out for fun way at the bottom of a longer post about other topics, and Nabby is still obsessing about it 18 days later. :-) Can you stop your thoughts at will and go into thoughtless samadhi for ten to twenty minutes at a time? If so, you have attained what would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread awoelflebater
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:50 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Vaj, I think you could have picked a much better example of a mood maker, for goodness sake, Barry is more of a bliss ninny than Robin ever was. Robin was the renegade, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Can you stop your thoughts at will and go into thoughtless samadhi for ten to twenty minutes at a time? If so, you have attained what would be considered the stage of talented beginner in many traditions. If not...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread Vaj
On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Ah, but I think you confuse moodmaker with someone who could appear egotistical, even a megalomaniac. I was tapping into his obvious use of drama and the need to be both director and actor. Draaahma-maker = Moodmaker. I believe his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Can you stop your thoughts at will and go into thoughtless samadhi for ten to twenty minutes at a time? If so, you have attained what would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread Buck
Vaj,. Really nice description below of how it has come for some spiritual folks here. Thanks. That is quite a valid description, included like in the second nite of TM 3-day checking in learning TM and also the culminating practice of patanjali too. This is where it has gone for a lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread awoelflebater
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Ah, but I think you confuse moodmaker with someone who could appear egotistical, even a megalomaniac. I was tapping into his obvious use of drama and the need to be both

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Ah, but I think you confuse moodmaker with someone who could appear egotistical, even a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-09 Thread iamyukta
I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] Esp. since, as I've stated several times before, I actually had a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-09 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@... wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please define this for me. In most cases a mood-maker is someone who invents moods and and the mix it up with real experiences of substance. Like when a Buddhists

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2012-04-09 Thread sparaig
A mood maker is someone who tries to behave like, or feel like, or otherwise be like an enlightened person simply because they think enlightenment is cool. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iamyukta iamyukta@... wrote: I do not understand the term mood maker?? Could you please

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Except introducing the mantra is to happen after 30 seconds IF the mantra doesn't appear on its own, spontaneously. Sheesh. Get checked, folks. Couldn't have said it better myself :-) Pay attention this time.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread Vaj
On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:05 AM, sparaig wrote: Okay, nice clear explanation, although one that I don't think would matter to 99 out of 100 people. But a real distinction nonetheless. Yea, I think discursive is a nice word for it. Except introducing the mantra is to happen after 30 seconds IF

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread Vaj
On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Yifu wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another. (re: somebody else's comment that he doesn't hate it). Whoa dude, huge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:05 AM, sparaig wrote: Okay, nice clear explanation, although one that I don't think would matter to 99 out of 100 people. But a real distinction nonetheless. Yea, I think discursive is a nice word

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Yifu wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread Vaj
On Apr 14, 2011, at 9:07 AM, sparaig wrote: When people die because of it, out of touch with reality rather than established in reality makes a huge difference. Esp. when many assume you're the latter...any you're actually the former. /me shrugs. But that's different then implying that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 14, 2011, at 9:07 AM, sparaig wrote: When people die because of it, out of touch with reality rather than established in reality makes a huge difference. Esp. when many assume you're the latter...any you're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 14, 2011, at 9:07 AM, sparaig wrote: When people die because of it, out of touch with reality rather than established in reality makes a huge difference. Esp. when many assume you're the latter...any you're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Multi-year obsession for truth always beats multi-year obsession for falsity, deception and slander. You go girl!!! Well put Ravi ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:06 PM, turquoiseb wrote: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing, compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident- ally

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread Vaj
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:07 PM, azgrey wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:06 PM, turquoiseb wrote: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing, compulsive attempt to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:07 PM, azgrey wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:06 PM, turquoiseb wrote: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread seventhray1
Vaj: Care to elaborate, expand, or explain what you mean when you refer to the discursive level? Introducing the mantra, 'as if any other thought', rather than allowing the mantra to spontaneously (sahaja) begin on it's own. One involves discursive thought and a slight amount of effort,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Vaj: Care to elaborate, expand, or explain what you mean when you refer to the discursive level? Introducing the mantra, 'as if any other thought', rather than allowing the mantra to spontaneously (sahaja)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread sparaig
Ignoring the work of David Lynch and company... We all do this: ignore facts that might counter our assessment of reality in order to see the reality we would prefer rather than the reality that IS. Of course, no-one can claim that I am not guilty of this as well. Lawson --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Yifu wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another. (re: somebody else's comment that he doesn't hate it). Whoa dude, huge non sequitur. The post was about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: The TMO and MMY have of course fostered the idea that an enlightened man makes no mistakes, but that is because in enlightenment nothing is perceived as a mistake. Everything is just as it is, and death from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] Esp. since, as I've stated several times before, I actually had a very good and clear experience with TM. What the HELL is a very good and clear experience with TM? The worst mood-makers say that kind of stuff. MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
:-), Thanks for the laughs - all of them are bald?..LOL.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Scene: Away up north and east, in the New England panhandle, somewhere in Kobatsu Malone Country, a family is sitting down to dinner. They are buddhists. All of them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: His family were offended by the introduction of TM into the world by a Mc-Guru not fitting into their model. Well,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another. (re: somebody else's comment that he doesn't hate it). Why?, possibly, out of jealousy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:20 PM, wayback71 wrote: Can you say which personal physician? Or the names of anyone who followed this advice and lost a loved one? I don't disbelieve you on this, just wondered who we are talking about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
I have to say I really admire the way you have constantly, even amongst much opposition with such a beautiful, loving and dedicated way, continually endeavored yourself to the task of removing the stubborn decadent age-old boundaries between truth and falsity, sincerity and deception. The magic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: If you want to know the doc, contact me off list. He keeps low on the radar since. Indians need to be extra careful if they're still in India or have family there. From The Idiots Guide To Being A Confidante: Your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Yifu wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another. (re: somebody else's comment that he doesn't hate it). Whoa dude, huge non sequitur. The post was about Maharishi Ayurveda and disreputable yogis telling the dying they could save

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Vaj
On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:17 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Well, I will say that he seems really dialed in to this authenticity thing. And what authenticity thing is that? That he came from a legit line of the Shank of the North? Guru Dev instructed him in yoga and devised TM in the Bat Cave?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:31 PM, wayback71 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Right! Looks to me that Vaj hates TM, for one reason or another. (re: somebody else's comment that he doesn't hate it). Why?, possibly, out of jealousy. I doubt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread seventhray1
Vaj, you fault just about everything regarding TMO from the git go. But, another perspective might be that there was a generation of people that had a seeker mentality. In many cases this seeking was misdirected. Someone came along and said, hey consider this technique. Many took him up on his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Vaj
On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:23 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Vaj, you fault just about everything regarding TMO from the git go. But, another perspective might be that there was a generation of people that had a seeker mentality. In many cases this seeking was misdirected. Someone came along and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip If there's a theme that I try to challenge in the TMO and in the modern-day hangers-on to a dying movement, it's what's going on right now on this forum -- Pile on the TM critic. Having claimed only a few posts ago

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: right...not the TMO, I believe he hates TM because it works. His family is a group of elitists with preconceived but ill-founded notions of authenticity who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread whynotnow7
Hi Ravi, yeah it was fun to set the scene and play all the parts mentally to get the voices right. I have been enjoying your stuff too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: :-), Thanks for the laughs - all of them are bald?..LOL.. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: right...not the TMO, I believe he hates TM because it works. His family is a group of elitists with preconceived but ill-founded notions of authenticity who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Yifu
Vaj's question: why not go right to the gems, avoiding the crap. That's the whole crux of the matter, isn't it? In order to discern, one must actually do the Coke/Pepsi taste test, not prematurely judge one or the other on the basis of supposed authenticity. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip One of the fascinating things about Vaj's jihad against TM is that whenever he's discussed the actual instructions for practicing the technique, he's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread turquoiseb
The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing, compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident- ally happens to be a TM critic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
Multi-year obsession for truth always beats multi-year obsession for falsity, deception and slander. You go girl!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Ravi Yogi
Is it possible to donate posts for this charitable cause?? I don't mind donating 20 posts every week to Judy. Keep getting 'em Judy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Multi-year obsession for truth always beats multi-year obsession for falsity, deception and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread Vaj
On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:06 PM, turquoiseb wrote: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing, compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident- ally happens to be a TM critic. Apparently Judy missed the part in her

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-12 Thread WillyTex
So, you're fascinated by Judy's posts! turquoiseb: The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing, compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident- ally happens to be a TM critic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Steveji - Just to let you know I was just joking on the god hater part. I don't know if God is a non-negotiable tenant for me, I was mostly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Vaj wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: You and I both have evidence that this is the case from a very reliable source Judy. I can't say more than that, but come

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So the question of trying to understand or philosophize about while being in his or her dream seems to be a fruitless activity. Well said. Thank

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: That was for me a good example of child like wonder, you could see the intellectual scientist wanting to help the innocent villagers who themselves don't see any need for being helped. That strikes me as funny. Someone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: In my case, it specifically refers to the fact that he was directly responsible for encouraging people to take an ayurvedic approach to life threatening diseases, and then these same people died because of that enlightened advice. Vaj,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread seventhray1
Damn this guy must have been powerful. I think it's fair to say he made one hell of an impression on you. And you were from a family of yogis. How do you make that wrong turn? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Vaj wrote: - Giving medical advice without a license, resulting in death. And then sometimes collecting the money owed from these failed, overpriced Ayurvedic interventions from the deceased greaving families. Also the Maharishi's drug company, MAPI, sells

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Damn this guy must have been powerful. I think it's fair to say he made one hell of an impression on you. And you were from a family of yogis. How do you make that wrong turn? Not listening to their advice. They saw him for who he was.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Vaj wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: You and I both have evidence that this is the case from a very reliable source Judy. I can't say more than that, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread whynotnow7
Whew, glad you dodged that bullet Vaj! Too bad for the rest of us poor bastards, eh? our minds twisted by the dark yogi, idas and pingalas choked and deviating, soaring and plunging on the manic depressive roller coaster of a deflected rising - oh help us Vaj, help us!! --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Damn this guy must have been powerful. I think it's fair to say he made one hell of an impression on you. And you were from a family of yogis. How do you make that wrong turn? And a scientist to boot remember!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the economic psychology model

2011-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I think one's ability to evaluate behavior is pretty much the same whether it's evaluating posting behavior or live behavior. If one isn't

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