[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
My solution is to drill for more oil and get it to the refinery as soon as possible so people can have cheap gasoline to get to work at their small or large business job. Marek: Kaufman dismisses as nonsense any promises that offshore drilling could make the U.S. oil independent...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
Marek: Oil is a fungible product; its price is dictated not by where it is originally located, but by whatever the global market for that product is at any particular point in time... In Texas, we have cheaper gasoline than you do because we have the refining capacity of Valero

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
In short, pretty much every policy that the Democrats have pursued for the last three decades has contributed to the shortage of oil... Bhairitu: Yeah right, more wingnut propaganda with one dimensional thinking. No, I don't think so, just practical thinking. ...if you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/14/2012 08:47 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: In short, pretty much every policy that the Democrats have pursued for the last three decades has contributed to the shortage of oil... Bhairitu: Yeah right, more wingnut propaganda with one dimensional thinking. No, I don't think so,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread marekreavis
Location of refineries obviously *can* make a difference in price at the pump. However, Los Angeles, where there are both significant oil wells producing as well as refineries in place the average price at the pump for regular is currently $3.88 (the national average is currently $3.47, up here

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread marekreavis
See, http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/06/news/economy/oil_drilling_leases/index.htm *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: In short, pretty much every policy that the Democrats have pursued for the last three decades has contributed to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu: Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt you... 'Big Pharma' doesn't run hospitals, it's just a nickname given to the pharmaceutical industry that makes pills. List of pharmaceutical companies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies As a Woo woo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-14 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/14/2012 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu: Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt you... 'Big Pharma' doesn't run hospitals, it's just a nickname given to the pharmaceutical industry that makes pills. List of pharmaceutical companies

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: We can live with the deficit, even a higher deficit, for the time being. Not forever, obviously, but long enough to get the economy back in shape. The above is the Achilles heel in you argument, we've gone to that well

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The US has to improve its private business sector growing again. This will create the necessary tax base for the government tax income. It's also necessary to reduce the government spending to control the deficit and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We can live with the deficit, even a higher deficit, for the time being. Not forever, obviously, but long enough to get the economy back in shape. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu: And we can't have meaningless make work jobs just to employ people. Not sure how you're going to run a hospital with 200 people! The problem now is the high cost of gasoline. Chevron 4150 Redwood Rd Mountain Blvd $3.96 http://tinyurl.com/6rrlvsg You are going to have to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy? Buck: How about off-line, off-list between you. Take it outside! What's this got to do with FFL? The last time I checked, 'small business' was just about the only engine of the local economy in Fairfield, IA. Correct me if I'm wrong,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
Obama's 'green energy' fiascoes have severely impacted the economy, we may NEVER recover if the greenies get their way! But they don't care...scary! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Bhairitu: And we can't have meaningless make work jobs just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Bhairitu: And we can't have meaningless make work jobs just to employ people. Not sure how you're going to run a hospital with 200 people! The problem now is the high cost of gasoline. Chevron 4150

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: My solution is to drill for more oil and get it to the refinery as soon as possible so people can have cheap gasoline to get to work at their small or large business job. In fact, I told you about this years

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: My solution is to drill for more oil and get it to the refinery as soon as possible so people can have cheap gasoline to get to work

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread raunchydog
Maybe you should stop listening to right-wing pundits on radio and TV get some factual information. The oligarchs have brainwashed you into believing you should cut your own social safety net, and pay zero taxes while they cash in on the Wall Street thievery that crashed the economy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 08:20 AM, wgm4u wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavisreavismarek@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williamsrichard@ wrote: My solution is to drill for more oil and get it to the refinery as soon as possible so people can have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis
The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: My solution is to drill for more oil and get it to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The US has to improve its private business sector growing again. This will create the necessary tax base for the government tax income. It's also

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 07:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu: And we can't have meaningless make work jobs just to employ people. Not sure how you're going to run a hospital with 200 people! More small hospitals. The problem now is the high cost of gasoline. Chevron 4150 Redwood Rd

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Vaj
On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:17 PM, marekreavis wrote: The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. Of course the fact that the only cost benefit to consumers would take about 20 years and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 09:52 AM, Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:17 PM, marekreavis wrote: The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. Of course the fact that the only cost benefit to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I haven't seen anyone driving one but they could be easily mistaken for a Toyota Yaris, but they are selling the Mitsubishi electric which I started seeing about 6 months ago on display at the Mits dealer. They have the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
The key words here are get it to the refinery. Marek: The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. You're not making any sense - how are you going to get ANY gasoline if you don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
Not sure how you're going to run a hospital with 200 people! Bhairitu: More small hospitals. How can 200 people run a small hospital? Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt you... Not if you had bought some stock in Texaco. In short, pretty much every policy that the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 12:56 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Not sure how you're going to run a hospital with 200 people! Bhairitu: More small hospitals. How can 200 people run a small hospital? Sounds like you need to do a road trip outside of Austin. There are small hospitals in small

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis
Mr. Williams, you're obviously a smart guy, but you're making a false statement and writing as if you hadn't read what I had posted. *Your* point was that workers need cheap gasoline to get to their jobs at small and large businesses, and that the way to get them cheap gasoline was to open up

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
Classic oil-shock + housing development arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession. raunchydog: http://galen.metapath.org/popclk.html ...the population will start decreasing before the end of the 21st century. The U.S. population climbed 9.7 percent from 2000 to 2010, according

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
While I have not been a part of this ongoing discussion, here is some interesting information to throw into the mix. While a government can take certain liberties with finance that an individual, a company, or even a state, the recent problems we have seen in the United States and especially

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread marekreavis
I don't know myself, but that talking-point (used by both Republicans and Democrats) may be just another sounds good foundational point without much foundation. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/24/opinion/small-businesses-arent-key-to-the-economic-recovery.html (Perhaps the New York Times is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread Bhairitu
That's an opinion by Jarod Bernstein, an academic. I wonder if he ever worked in the real world? He has a problem defining a small business. I watched a business grow from one guys apartment to a company of over 400 people. As it got to be over 200 it started having problems.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread wgm4u
Taxing the 'rich' alone, will never get us out of our present condition, we need to cut spending and entitlements (and government pensions). Your short sighted ideas are the same as those leading Greece in to bankruptcy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread John
The US has to improve its private business sector growing again. This will create the necessary tax base for the government tax income. It's also necessary to reduce the government spending to control the deficit and the government longterm debt. This plan requires a concerted effort between

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread Bhairitu
And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy? Please elaborate. And which entitlements? You mean like the Social Security and Medicare you paid into? On 02/12/2012 03:48 PM, wgm4u wrote: Taxing the 'rich' alone, will never get us out of our present condition, we need to cut spending and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread wgm4u
Don't you think taxing the 'rich' is a panacea for all our woes? Why don't we just through the American Dream under the bus while we're at it!! Yep, Social Security and Medicare and all the ublic pensions have to be cut, cut, cut, for the general good. Let's not end up like the silly boys and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy? Please elaborate. And which entitlements? You mean like the Social Security and Medicare you paid into? How about off-line, off-list between you. Take it outside! What's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/12/2012 04:57 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy? Please elaborate. And which entitlements? You mean like the Social Security and Medicare you paid into? How about off-line, off-list

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/12/2012 04:46 PM, wgm4u wrote: Don't you think taxing the 'rich' is a panacea for all our woes? The economy was better under the Clinton tax rates which taxed the rich more. And at the end of his term we had a surplus! Seems to me taxing the rich more works! Why don't we just through

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy? Please elaborate. And which entitlements? You mean like the Social Security and Medicare you paid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 02/12/2012 04:46 PM, wgm4u wrote: Don't you think taxing the 'rich' is a panacea for all our woes? The economy was better under the Clinton tax rates which taxed the rich more. And at the end of his term we had a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: Taxing the 'rich' alone, will never get us out of our present condition, Of course not. I don't believe anyone has ever suggested that. It's only part of the solution. Tax the rich a little more, cut taxes a little for