--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not
established fact?
See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly
developed theory from much observation. Pure conjecture
would mean someone just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not
established fact?
See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not
established fact?
See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
The power of suggestion gained from the
teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with
a bit of practise.
(Switch ON
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:
What I liked best was walking into the lobby of the
facility at Livingston Manor for my 1st bloc of the
sidhis and seeing the Sidha man poster shining down
on sidhas and meditators alike from behind the front
desk.
When I learned the TM-SIdhis over 29 years ago, I had to write out a dictated
letter and mail it back to the Course Office explaining that I understood that
the TM-Sidhis were for the development of consciousness and that I understood
that no guarantee had been made that I would develop some
As much as anything, he is rationalizing things for himself.
That said, there's no real contradiction in believing that some unusual state
will have unusual correlates. That is pretty much the definition of unusual
state anyway.
Hagelin's desire to reconcile his beliefs with the current
My first official encounter with the TM-SIdhis was a lecture that Rick Archer
and company presented in TUcson in the mid-70s.
I certainly recall all the hooplah about floating and so on, but I also recall
RIck (I believe it was Rick) saying that such things were side-effects and
that if MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
My first official encounter with the TM-SIdhis was a lecture that Rick Archer
and company presented in TUcson in the mid-70s.
I certainly recall all the hooplah about floating and so on, but I also
recall RIck (I believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
As much as anything, he is rationalizing things for himself.
That said, there's no real contradiction in believing that some unusual state
will have unusual correlates. That is pretty much the definition of unusual
state
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
(snipped more great stuff)
Which is pretty funny really, like saying my half-hearted jogging efforts are
merely stage one of running at the speed of light. Any day now...
Excellent post.
The human capacity to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
(snipped more great stuff)
Which is pretty funny really, like saying my half-hearted
jogging efforts are merely stage one of
Er, the reason to practice Yogic Flying for 29+ years as I have obviously isn't
so that I can float since I am well aware that after 35 years or so of teaching
the TM-Sidhis, not a single public demo of floating has ever happened.
Are you saying that you managed to take the TM-Sidhis course
That's an obvious alternate explanation, and it might well be true, but I
wouldn't expect a devout Hindu like MMY (or are you seriously hinting that MMY
wasn't a True Believer) would consider that his religious beliefs were not
valid?
Assuming that MMY really WAS a devout Hindu who believed
As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic
Flying -that it comes in stages, including hopping like a frog- is straight
out of the upanishads and other traditional texts.
The fact that you don't want to acknowledge that this really IS how it is
described in
I did the flying sidhi for over 20 years not because I thought I would fly
(although there is a definite upsurge of energy that does seem to lift the
body) but because it seems to activate the bliss of existence, that is, the
bliss that I take to be at the core of things but that is normally
From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
I did the flying sidhi for over 20 years not because I thought I would fly
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
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I did the flying sidhi for over 20 years not because I thought I would fly
(although there is a definite upsurge of energy that does seem to lift the
body) but because it seems to activate the bliss of existence
I really liked the point
about that bliss not being mixed with any other emotions. Share
From: feste37 feste37@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the
TM-Sidhis...
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I did the flying sidhi for over 20 years not because I thought I would
fly (although there is a definite upsurge of energy that does seem to
lift the body) but because it seems
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic
Flying -that it comes in stages, including hopping like a frog- is straight
out of the upanishads and other traditional texts.
The fact that you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
That's an obvious alternate explanation, and it might well be true, but I
wouldn't expect a devout Hindu like MMY (or are you seriously hinting that
MMY wasn't a True Believer) would consider that his religious beliefs were
Are you kidding! He did make a fortune in PR!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
That's an obvious alternate explanation, and it might well be true, but I
wouldn't expect a
The revisionist history Barry describes came out of his
own head. Nobody here ever made the claims he implies.
Not only that, but the folks to whom he attributes those
claims don't exist either. All the regulars here (except
Ravi and Emily, of course) were already doing TM when the
TM-Sidhis
Oh yeah, it existed all right! I remember it very well. It was created not long
after the sidhis were announced for us peon meditators and we all looked at the
initiators that had come off the super secret 6 months courses as something out
of a science fiction story come true.
It was not
Yeah its funny how in the old days of all you need to do is meditate
Maharishi used to say that its best to stay away from the flashy experiences,
and go for transcendance. Then it all became about the flash and the flare.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:
Oh yeah, it existed all right! I remember it very well.
It was created not long after the sidhis were announced
for us peon meditators and we all looked at the initiators
that had come off the super secret 6 months
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
My first official encounter with the TM-SIdhis was a lecture
that Rick Archer and company presented in TUcson in the mid-70s.
I certainly
to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:
Oh yeah, it existed all right! I remember it very well.
It was created not long after the sidhis were announced
for us peon meditators and we all looked at the initiators
that had
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote:
Oh yeah, it existed all right! I remember it very well.
It was created not long after the sidhis were announced
for us peon meditators and we all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
I was on one of the first sidhis courses for non teachers:Â summer 1977 was
when they occurred.
So was I, yours was a national or international course ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
My first official encounter with the TM-SIdhis was a lecture
that Rick
My only point is that you can accept any or all of the TM/Hindu rhetoric or you
can reject any/all, or whatever.
It doesn't change what the practice of the TM-Sidhis does or doesn't do. And it
would be very foolish of someone to learn it JUST so they could float around
the room someday.
And
Do you mean that seriously? MMY never struck me as leading a personally
extravagant lifestyle, and while there are plenty of assertions that his family
has skimmed money off the top in India, I have yet to see evidence that his
nephew is living better than any other person who runs a private
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but my OWN experiences as a TM-Sidhis
practitioner have never seemed all that flashy to me.
Unless you think that hopping up and down on your butt is somehow worth
bragging about to your friends
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Robert,
Science is already showing that the universe is based on the unified field,
which is Consciousness. John Hagelin explains in this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
As much as anything, he is rationalizing things for himself.
That said, there's no real contradiction in believing that some unusual state
will have unusual correlates. That is pretty much the definition of unusual
state
St. Francis, too, as well as Catherine of Sienna, St. Joseph of Cupertino, and
others.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq jr_esq@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
As much as anything, he is rationalizing things for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq jr_esq@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
As much as anything, he is rationalizing things for himself.
That said, there's no real contradiction in believing that some unusual
state will have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq jr_esq@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Robert,
Science is already showing that the universe is based on the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:
St. Francis, too, as well as Catherine of Sienna, St. Joseph of Cupertino,
and others.
IMO, MMY probably levitated himself since he insisted that the siddhis and the
flying sutra be performed. Why would he push the
It was in the '70s when we all believed wholeheartedly!
From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Back to When You Bought the TM-Sidhis...
Well, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic
Flying -that it comes in stages, including hopping like a frog- is
The sidhis were announced in 1976 for meditators. I had not heard anything
about them before all the meditators that were affiliated with the Columbia, SC
TM center were invited to a special meeting where something special but
unspecified would be discussed.
I think the courses had been going
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on Yogic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@
And what Upanishads would that be?
What traditional text are you pointing to as proof of concept?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
As I have pointed out many times in this forum, MMY's exposition on
Yogic Flying -that it comes in stages, including hopping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:
here are documented accounts of saints in the Roman Catholic Church who have
floated in the air during their meditations. These saints included St. Teresa
of Avila and St. Thomas Aquinas.
Is documented too strong a word to use
Doc sez, It is common in spiritual texts to read that the sidhis are a
distraction, though I did not realize that admonition also conveyed to those
who do not practice them!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
--- In
not only did say he was going to teach us how to fly - but we have already
succeeded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nQXVRjMoUEfeature=relmfu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:
Think back...all those many years ago...
Did the Maharishi say he was going to
Oh, I see...
You mean when the Maharishi said that we would be 'In Tune with All the Laws of
Nature'...
He meant that although gravity is a primary law of nature, we were going to
negate it...
We were going to be in tune with all the laws of nature, and then we were going
to break the basic law
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lorenzo inmadison@... wrote:
not only did say he was going to teach us how to fly - but we have already
succeeded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nQXVRjMoUEfeature=relmfu
Wow, Ozymandias Mahesh Yogi! I'd forgotten how surreal and
deluded all that
What I liked best was walking into the lobby of the facility at Livingston
Manor for my 1st bloc of the sidhis and seeing the Sidha man poster shining
down on sidhas and meditators alike from behind the front desk.
You know the one I mean, the look alike Superman with the big S on his chest
MMY was saying that everything is based on consciousness. Yogic flying is just
one manifestation of how nature operates throughout the universe.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lorenzo inmadison@... wrote:
not only did say he was going to teach us how to fly - but we have already
That sounds very cool John...
You believe it so, go with it John...
I just don't see how when the maharishi says that we become in tune with all
the laws of nature in one breath...
And then in the next breath he says, let's now break the most fundemental law
of nature, gravity, come on kids!
Robert,
Science is already showing that the universe is based on the unified field,
which is Consciousness. John Hagelin explains in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:
That sounds very cool John...
You
If johnny hagelin knows so much about this, why is he never around fF anymore,
at alland why isn't he floating, levitating, flying around as a
demonstration of how much he 'knows'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
Robert,
Science is already showing that
From what I understand, he's a very busy man. He and David Lynch have gone
around the country, particularly in college campuses, to talk about TM.
If you're in transcendental consciousness, you're already floating from the
ordinary waking consciousness.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Yeah, but he tries to rationalize why it's possible to overcome gravity; and he
knows he's not being honest about his own experience...
He contributes to the confusion that people feel about the whole thing...
The fact of the matter is that even though the two of them spent years and
years with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
Robert,
Science is already showing that the universe is based on the unified field,
which is Consciousness. John Hagelin explains in this video:
Science is NOT showing that. That is John Hagelins *interpretation*
of what he
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