Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Thanks Doug. I don't want to imply that those like "Karl" (Whose piece I have yet to read...) may not be entirely objective in their assessment, though it is much more valuable in any case to hear your direct observations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Thanks for this - I read most of the MUM Strategic Plan, and it is on par with any corporate annual report. I appreciated the level of detail, such as a line item budget, and reasonable growth expectations. The level of detail is appropriate too, so that this could be used as a working document

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because they had originally just pushed dirt up against the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am curious if the world outside the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge. However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM, and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds, and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Good observation about administration of spiritual orgs. I was at a meeting last night that was all about mitigating this. A clear and present danger that is a real problem for the survival of the university [and Domes] is with a character of a few conservative belief-based ideologues that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Summer of 1993. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, and water was flowing into the basement of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't take going there more than once in a while. Has anyone thought to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

You're right, summer of '93, thank you. That's when we first started building our house out in the country, but the year that stands out in my mind is 1994, when we first moved in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Summer of 1993. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't take going there more than once in a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite a lot when they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was getting ready to suggest an Ozone generator.I think most people freak at the idea because they think of ozone pollution on the streets like LA.Ca. Ozone generators create oxygen rich air, 03. One molecule brakes off and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Is she extra-super-sensitive to such things? I have a friend who also has a fairly "delicate" physiology that can react to pollution, but she has recently started going to the dome again after quite a long absence and has not reported any problem with the air there. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Yes, in recent years she has become increasingly sensitive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Is she extra-super-sensitive to such things? I have a friend who also has a fairly "delicate" physiology that can react to pollution, but she has recently

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

I was getting ready to suggest an Ozone generator.I think most people freak at the idea because they think of ozone pollution on the streets like LA.Ca.  Ozone generators create oxygen rich air, 03. One molecule brakes off and attaches to pollutants, oxidizing the pollutant, leaving purer 02

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. I don't know about the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around traveling with the crew but not handling or applying the material. For the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

The physical condition of campus? It is a well-enough functioning university campus. Always work in process around the whole campus but it is manifestly being worked on by conscious strategic planning. Some of the Trustees are more proactive now with their money supporting things strategically.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't take going there more than once in a while. Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who can test the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

They've tried various methods over the years to remedy the air in the ladies' dome. Many years ago, we donated money for large ozone generators to be installed that would be run when the dome was empty and shut off an hour or two before program. But, certain individuals completely lost their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little thought given to the infrastructure, isn't working. Though in order to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, getting into the lungs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are