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on 12/27/05 2:51 PM, bbrigante at
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And although on some
On Dec 27, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: The more abstract the understanding of the nature of devas, the less "religious" they seem. Sort of like "Christ" the divine/human center of the Christian religion, versus the universal "Christ" as a mode of consciousness.
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: Gillam wrote: Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra] is an ishta-deva -- "the god one prays most" (Wikipedia). People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what? I can't cite posts, but I seem to recall that
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Peter wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually do perceive the deity associated with your mantra. Sure. But is it an actual
On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/27/05 5:54 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Maharishi always said, and we said in lectures, that you could transcend on any sound but that the mantras, due to their life-supporting vibratory quality,
On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had visual forms of their devatas in their rooms.Were they instructed to have them? That was unclear. They were all on puja altars.
To
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had
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on 12/28/05 10:19 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My first impession was that they had been instructed in or were doing on their own, 16-limbed worship of their devata (or similar worship
All experience comes and goes, no matter how sublime, but the source of
these experiences, the Awareness, doesn't come and go.
By going nowhere, continue to experience having arrived. By not taking one
step in any direction, you arrive instantly.
You arrive by not going anywhere. Just stay
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature. The TMO I could see more easily
characterized as a religion, or a quasi-religion or a
cult. But you have to consider the level of
involvement of individuals. There is such
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but
the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature.
I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as
religious. But there's been talk in this
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of
what?
I can't cite posts, but I seem to
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
But what is a religion? I certainly see how
someone
would call the practice of TM religious because
the
bija mantras are associated with certain Hindu
dieties, but does that make it a religion? Ask a
hindu
if TM is a
on 12/27/05 9:44 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what?
I can't cite posts, but I
on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the divine/human center of the Christian
religion, versus the universal Christ as a mode of
on 12/27/05 1:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do
perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
Wow. Then that kinda confirms my experience which I related in
another post...
He also said that
on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
Sure. But is it an actual personified being, or is it
how one's own perception translates the abstraction into
on 12/27/05 2:23 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He also said that eventually your mantra goes on perpetually,
whether or not
you're meditating. Reminds me of something Irmeli described.
Began to notice that on TTC in 1976. Tried to ask about it. Course
leaders didn't have
on 12/27/05 2:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Because the correct use of the mantra in TM requires that no meaning
be assigned to the mantra during the practice of TM -- what meanings
people want to assign or not assign outside of meditation has
nothing to do
on 12/27/05 2:38 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 12/27/05 2:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**
Because the correct use of the mantra in TM requires that no meaning
be assigned to the mantra during the practice of TM -- what meanings
people want to
on 12/27/05 2:42 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd rephrase this: whether or not you believe or perceive that
your mantra
is associated with some being, if it is, it is.
You can rephrase as you please, but you are well aware that the
correct practice of
on 12/27/05 2:51 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And although on some superficial level it may be true that
the vibratory
influence of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the
benefits result
from aligning oneself with the impulse of intelligence or Devata
that the
mantra
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on 12/27/05 2:51 PM, bbrigante at
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And although on some superficial level it may be
true that
the vibratory
influence of the mantra causes TM to work,
ultimately, the
benefits result
from aligning oneself with the
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/27/05 2:38 PM, Rick Archer at
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on 12/27/05 2:30 PM, bbrigante at
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**
Because the correct use of the mantra in TM
requires that no meaning
be assigned to the mantra
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say
that you eventually
do perceive the deity associated with your
mantra.
Sure. But is it an actual personified being, or
is it
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/27/05 3:04 PM, Peter at
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I understand that Bob. I'm just saying that I
believe that this is what's
really going on. A physicist who understands how
gravity works and another
man who doesn't are both influenced
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Rick Archer wrote:
And although on some superficial level it may be
true that the vibratory
influence of the mantra causes TM to work,
ultimately, the benefits result
from aligning oneself with the impulse of
intelligence or Devata
on 12/27/05 3:55 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Rick Archer wrote:
And although on some superficial level it may be true that the vibratory
influence of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the benefits result
from aligning oneself with the impulse of intelligence
on 12/27/05 4:25 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do perceive the deity
on 12/27/05 5:54 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Rick Archer wrote:
Maharishi always said, and we said in lectures, that you could
transcend on any sound but that the mantras, due to their life-supporting
vibratory quality, provided benefits that other sounds didn't.
on 12/26/05 9:05 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's
perfectly plausible that some bored ultra-rich, extremely famous,
extremely eccentric, black singer might dabble in ALL of TM-
associated practices without making it his religion...
Who are you referring to? Michael Jackson?
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