[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
My response to Curtis is pending, but I'm quite surprised Steve. I think his message was nothing but a fastball at me, a spinning fastball made up of a twisted message of mine, wrapped with his projected pain and suffering and childish fantasies of pseudo spiritual icons. As much as I like him, Judy is bluntly spot on with her assessment of Curtis, Mr. Wonderful turning into Mr. Hideous - it was painful to read his reply. I really felt sorry for him. The recent earthquake seems to have shaken more than the earth in his part of the world. Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his reply? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I thought this was an excellent reply to Ravi and I was waiting for a response from him. I mean, personally I enjoy the playful nature of his responses, but I think there comes a time when you have to engage rather than just put forth theatrical replies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks, equality and justice are always fascinating concepts. It's never bound to succeed but there is great satisfaction for the pain projecting liberal. There is no need to look inside and since the concept of equality and justice is bound to be a failure, you can always blame the ignorant gullible masses, corrupt politicians for your failure. That the society is not ready for your beautiful, intelligent utopian ideals. MLK has come and gone. Sure he was a nice guy but all he did was establish a new set of rules. The oppressor oppressed game continues on. Both have adapted and found new reasons to oppress and be oppressed. ME: MLK is more than a nice guy for people who understand his work. He was a brave patriot who has helped his country live up to the ideals of its constitution. I worked at housing projects in Huntsville, AL for 3 years ME: Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole racial group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I was telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never admit you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should take time spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of the potential and the basic nature of all Indian people? But I'm sure you are above laying out a list of negative stereotypes, let's see where you take this... when I was in school and I couldn't the gall, the creativity and the sophistication of the oppressor. All they had to do to oppress was create a big subdivision with free housing, food stamps, ME: Let me stop you there. Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is not populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline. I know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up. throw in drugs and guns, fill it in with the oppressed and have racist cops bully them from time to time; trap the oppressed or let them kill each other. I was even more frustrated and pained by the attitude of the oppressed. The single mother with loads of children, the child also carrying the free hand out mentality fighting with others in a battle for survival of the fittest. The 13 year old who was just started dealing drugs with wads of cash, the 15 year old who now has a nice Chevy with kick ass wheels and sound. The 17 year old with a gun who's now ready to battle other gang members, the 22 year old who's just back from a 3 year stint in jail and can't compete with the newer kid. The 27 year old who now thinks stealing stuff from the mall us much easier. The 33 year old former drug dealer now turned drug addict who now pimps his girl friend so they both can get high. The 40 year old winos who get high on $1 cheap wine, wasted and unconscious on the side of the street. If all this fails there is the cheap souse meat, luncheon meat, cheddar cheese combo with cheap soda that is sure to result in cancer or heart issues. ME: You should take some time to hang out in Appalachia to understand how all white people are. Where I live we have ghettos, but we also have an African American as the president of the United States. We have a rich community of African Americans in the middle and upper classes whose situation I interact daily in my school work. They don't casually dismiss the work MLK did to transform their lives. Yeah MLK was a great success and he will be really proud at a job well dine. Me: There is legal protection for people discriminated against because of race. This did not exist before the civil rights movement. I recommend you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
Curtis, I have to say, you in this response are a poor caricature of your image you try to portray here on FFL. I used the example of the life in a housing project to illustrate on how the social changes are just superficial and how they result in merely new rules and new games. If not for the fact that I have been living in this country for 20 years and am speaking to an American audience I would have very well used examples from India. I have as much disgust for hypocritical repressed values of India and I have never hesitated in articulating them. I still have my emails from last year when I blasted the traditional conservative values of Indian men. I hate to have to disappoint you in your weird fantasies and twisting of my words into portraying me as being a judgmental person. I totally love white and black people or any other race. But I'm definitely partial in my love for the black people. I have had an excellent time with blacks, my professor and the secretary at the reading department of the black school I attended. I used to be touched by the genuine love and compassion that these church going people showed. I loved black gospel music, enjoyed rap music, I just loved the heart centered-ness of the black people even when I used to be occasionally cursed while working in the housing projects. I found them to be very authentic. Even at the age of 22 I recall enjoying stimulating conversation with the older blacks at the housing projecting, the ones who probably watched the likes of MLK in person. I certainly saw many who were lucky and/or could see this game and successfully transitioned out of the projects. So take your projected bullshit elsewhere. Judy is spot on in her assessment, you can't come to grips with your shadow and it is painful to watch Mr. Wonderful turn into Mr. Hideous. Or what I state differently, a pain projecting liberal with childish vengeful fantasies now projected into some grand social utopian ideal and worship of pseudo spiritual icons. May be you are going through a hard time since the recent earthquake, may be it has shaken more than the earth for you, if so I hope you soon get a grip and get over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks, equality and justice are always fascinating concepts. It's never bound to succeed but there is great satisfaction for the pain projecting liberal. There is no need to look inside and since the concept of equality and justice is bound to be a failure, you can always blame the ignorant gullible masses, corrupt politicians for your failure. That the society is not ready for your beautiful, intelligent utopian ideals. MLK has come and gone. Sure he was a nice guy but all he did was establish a new set of rules. The oppressor oppressed game continues on. Both have adapted and found new reasons to oppress and be oppressed. ME: MLK is more than a nice guy for people who understand his work. He was a brave patriot who has helped his country live up to the ideals of its constitution. I worked at housing projects in Huntsville, AL for 3 years ME: Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole racial group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I was telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never admit you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should take time spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of the potential and the basic nature of all Indian people? But I'm sure you are above laying out a list of negative stereotypes, let's see where you take this... when I was in school and I couldn't the gall, the creativity and the sophistication of the oppressor. All they had to do to oppress was create a big subdivision with free housing, food stamps, ME: Let me stop you there. Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is not populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline. I know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up. throw in drugs and guns, fill it in with the oppressed and have racist cops bully them from time to time; trap the oppressed or let them kill each other. I was even more frustrated and pained by the attitude of the oppressed. The single mother with loads of children, the child also carrying the free hand out mentality fighting with others in a battle for survival of the fittest. The 13 year old who was just started dealing drugs with wads of cash, the 15 year old who now has a nice Chevy with kick ass wheels and sound. The 17 year old with a gun who's now ready to battle other gang members, the 22 year old who's just back from a 3 year stint in jail and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
As much as I will sound like an enlightened narcissistic asshole, which I nevertheless take pride in, I sitting here in San Ramon absorb the negativity and convert into pure creative energy. The door to pain, the door to shadow is coincidentally the door to bliss. Only a person who is willing to absorb intense pain can tolerate intense bliss. I curse I get high, I suck in sexual energy to convert into pure energy, I suck in pain and convert it into bliss - every fucking day. What I don't do is convert the infantile pain into projected social utopian fantasies like the pain projecting liberals and their fucking fake pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, MLK, Dolly Lama and the likes. For this blessing and benediction, I bow down to my Gurus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: My response to Curtis is pending, but I'm quite surprised Steve. I think his message was nothing but a fastball at me, a spinning fastball made up of a twisted message of mine, wrapped with his projected pain and suffering and childish fantasies of pseudo spiritual icons. As much as I like him, Judy is bluntly spot on with her assessment of Curtis, Mr. Wonderful turning into Mr. Hideous - it was painful to read his reply. I really felt sorry for him. The recent earthquake seems to have shaken more than the earth in his part of the world. Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his reply? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I thought this was an excellent reply to Ravi and I was waiting for a response from him. I mean, personally I enjoy the playful nature of his responses, but I think there comes a time when you have to engage rather than just put forth theatrical replies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks, equality and justice are always fascinating concepts. It's never bound to succeed but there is great satisfaction for the pain projecting liberal. There is no need to look inside and since the concept of equality and justice is bound to be a failure, you can always blame the ignorant gullible masses, corrupt politicians for your failure. That the society is not ready for your beautiful, intelligent utopian ideals. MLK has come and gone. Sure he was a nice guy but all he did was establish a new set of rules. The oppressor oppressed game continues on. Both have adapted and found new reasons to oppress and be oppressed. ME: MLK is more than a nice guy for people who understand his work. He was a brave patriot who has helped his country live up to the ideals of its constitution. I worked at housing projects in Huntsville, AL for 3 years ME: Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole racial group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I was telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never admit you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should take time spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of the potential and the basic nature of all Indian people? But I'm sure you are above laying out a list of negative stereotypes, let's see where you take this... when I was in school and I couldn't the gall, the creativity and the sophistication of the oppressor. All they had to do to oppress was create a big subdivision with free housing, food stamps, ME: Let me stop you there. Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is not populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline. I know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up. throw in drugs and guns, fill it in with the oppressed and have racist cops bully them from time to time; trap the oppressed or let them kill each other. I was even more frustrated and pained by the attitude of the oppressed. The single mother with loads of children, the child also carrying the free hand out mentality fighting with others in a battle for survival of the fittest. The 13 year old who was just started dealing drugs with wads of cash, the 15 year old who now has a nice Chevy with kick ass wheels and sound. The 17 year old with a gun who's now ready to battle other gang members, the 22 year old who's just back from a 3 year stint in jail and can't compete with the newer kid. The 27 year old who now thinks stealing stuff from the mall us much easier. The 33 year old former drug dealer now turned drug addict who now pimps his girl friend so they both can get high. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
So you can say I'm a healer or a fucking trash can. But I'm no ordinary trash can, I got special skills. I don't wait for someone to take mercy and throw the trash. Sure the existence does use me everyday so I can recycle it. But I also periodically go look for it, I love hunting pimps (intellectuals) down - they have lot of trash collected and then I instantly recycle it. And once I recycle it I get high. Boy, I love this game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: As much as I will sound like an enlightened narcissistic asshole, which I nevertheless take pride in, I sitting here in San Ramon absorb the negativity and convert into pure creative energy. The door to pain, the door to shadow is coincidentally the door to bliss. Only a person who is willing to absorb intense pain can tolerate intense bliss. I curse I get high, I suck in sexual energy to convert into pure energy, I suck in pain and convert it into bliss - every fucking day. What I don't do is convert the infantile pain into projected social utopian fantasies like the pain projecting liberals and their fucking fake pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, MLK, Dolly Lama and the likes. For this blessing and benediction, I bow down to my Gurus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: My response to Curtis is pending, but I'm quite surprised Steve. I think his message was nothing but a fastball at me, a spinning fastball made up of a twisted message of mine, wrapped with his projected pain and suffering and childish fantasies of pseudo spiritual icons. As much as I like him, Judy is bluntly spot on with her assessment of Curtis, Mr. Wonderful turning into Mr. Hideous - it was painful to read his reply. I really felt sorry for him. The recent earthquake seems to have shaken more than the earth in his part of the world. Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his reply? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I thought this was an excellent reply to Ravi and I was waiting for a response from him. I mean, personally I enjoy the playful nature of his responses, but I think there comes a time when you have to engage rather than just put forth theatrical replies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Awe, nabby- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kz7YUdy-Cg Where is your creative, sense of humor? The Turq has many other qualities to make fun of, but I give him applauding credit for the zombies comment and the picture of DL he posted. Bhahahahaha. How deep does one have to be to understand a DL film? Not so much, use your intuition instead. Try beginning by watching his most spiritual film, Eraserhead in one stroke and observe your reactions as the film goes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7OqGCIcak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmof9ax_GS0 In the rest of that film, it is fun to watch the couple (NC and LD) shaggin each other all the time. If anyone acted this way on MUM campus, well, I think the dome badges would be swiped. : ) Inland empire reminds me of what one would feel like if a nurse goes on break for an hour, immediately after leaving you hooked up to an IV of antibiotic one is allergic to. Everything is swell in-donation land empire. Do as we say, not as we do. Peace and Love! lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHA! The Turq has spoken! Good one! The Turqo, not understanding anything of David Lynch's latest movie Inland Empire, now claims he lacks creativity ! What a clown...
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
RoryI meditate with kleeng mantra, I felt much more affinity ... kleem mantra meditate is not so good to me ... I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-) I said I would like to meditate with the mantra kleem (kleeng) using the Transcendental Meditation technique, without effort, only to repeat the mantra naturally, without using concentration or contemplation .. only change my mantra I received from the teacher on the other, (kleem o0r kleeng) thankyou Rory .. peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Rory kleeng you think is more powerful? * * For me, Marcelo, it feels closer to the truth, but if you feel otherwise, you probably ought to honor That. The Self Who enlivens the mantra in you, the Inner tradition which inspires you and which you align yourself with and which calls you Home, is in my heart far more important than the surface details of the mantra itself. I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his reply? Good questions. See below: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole racial group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I was telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never admit you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should take time spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of the potential and the basic nature of all Indian people? Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is not populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline. I know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up. You should take some time to hang out in Appalachia to understand how all white people are. Where I live we have ghettos, but we also have an African American as the president of the United States. We have a rich community of African Americans in the middle and upper classes whose situation I interact daily in my school work. They don't casually dismiss the work MLK did to transform their lives. I felt that these were pretty good points. I would like to say that the forced busing was a good point, but I don't want to be a hypocrite. I was present when that debate went full bore in my community, and I had attended one of those schools that was asked to take students from poorer districts (although I graduated HS in 1974), and I believe the that issue erupted after that. I had and continue to have mixed feelings about that. On the other hand, my wife teaches at an advantaged HS where they take all students, (many from disadvantaged areas), and there have been many remarkable stories with these students. In particular, the notion of the safety net was something that had not occurred to me. Without the safety net we have here, I think indeed, we would people begging as they do in many poorer countries. Now certainly I am conflicted on how to deal with racial issues as they pertain to opportunity, initiative, single parent families etc. I don't know how much carrot and how much stick should be employed. On the other hand, it is easy to dismiss these challenges as coming from a PPL, as you often do. I don't think that gets us anywhere. You have stated your point many times in a general way, but I think there is a lot of room for a more detailed discussion, especially since it seems to be an issue you have experience with, and have thought about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
good but how to know the most suitable? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 12:47 PM, Marcio wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo Because it didn't fit into his scheme. And nobody really knows where that scheme came from but it is pretty obvious what it is based on. One must be careful unless trained by an expert when playing around with mantra. They can produce unexpected results. M and NG endings can be favored by different traditions, some use both while other use just one or the other. I watched Indian pundits go at arguments over those endings on Internet forums. Quite funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have a magical, spiritual solution to all these problems Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis. Here's what I actually said: I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so I don't really agree with him. I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical. You're the one who likes to use that term to load your argument. As I indicated, I think inner healing is just as important as outer action, maybe more important. Those who aren't at least in the process of inner healing aren't going to be very successful with outer action. And what I actually pointed out was that you had attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right- winger, again to load your argument. In this discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even attempted to grok his perspective. It takes a bit of work for those of us for whom MLK, Gandhi, et al. have always been figures of veneration to understand that a negative take on them does not necessarily involve bigotry. But one ought to be able to recognize, on the basis of the rest of his posts here, that Ravi is very unlikely to be a bigot, and thus that his perspective must be orthogonal to our own, not in opposition to it. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him, just that we need to realize the labels we're used to applying aren't appropriate in his case. We need to dig a little deeper than we're accustomed to in order to see where he's coming from. Then at least we'll know what we're disagreeing with and will be able to mount a more fruitful argument against it--and maybe learn something in the process, broaden our own perspective a bit instead of reacting with a jerk of the knees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Thank you, Nabby. I did not think you were going to answer my rhetorical question. hahaha Spiritual, in regards to the Eraserhead film presented is a type of Christianity version of fear, yet awakening, kind of like the spirituality of Scared Straight, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scared_Straight! Sort of what one feels if he does not make communion or confession each week, he will go to hell, as was the dull life of a factory drab setting of mundane, no questions asked, just do as one exists in whatever is presented in front of one and continues doing, leading to total gross level existence at the rate of not taking any control of the self, because the prison created for one by the manipulators in the industrial way of thinking would lead you in this very way for their own profits and one's demise if one stays in that four walled way of thinking. Eraserhead is spiritual, in that sense to me. I have seen the movie, before, Nabby. It was the wake up call of its time. : ) Now, back to, The unreasonable price of TM instruction, here we have similar incidences happening. When any organization becomes, machine like, like the industrial revolution, it again takes away from what the whole purpose of living with the self and knowing the self as to the knowledge presented for, Self Awareness, was initially presented as, and becomes like a margin down the center of a ruled loose leaf paper and looses the appeal to the reader, to the masses by rigid expectations the organization slowly structures these borders/margins into the psyche, at each step an organization leads one to take. This causes boundaries as what happens when Sidhas are not allowed to practice with a group they were trained for creating world peace, yet not knowing beforehand of learning this technique, more rules will be plunged into their lives of pure consciousness and questions start to arise, just like the movie, Eraserhead, brings to the mind of the viewer, a growing spiritual being stuck in a place so nightmarish, what is the way out? : ) TM is a wonderful tool, IMHO. Let the organization not become the drab factory of the black and white living, dead. I think when a group, of advisers have created the hierarchy they become, less acceptance occurs, because a structure to retain what is created becomes rigid, like a factory. Anyways,the price of TM needs adjustment to more affordability to the masses, for the shrinking organization to continue to exist. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Awe, nabby- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kz7YUdy-Cg Where is your creative, sense of humor? The Turq has many other qualities to make fun of, but I give him applauding credit for the zombies comment and the picture of DL he posted. Bhahahahaha. How deep does one have to be to understand a DL film? Not so much, use your intuition instead. Try beginning by watching his most spiritual film, Eraserhead in one stroke and observe your reactions as the film goes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7OqGCIcak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmof9ax_GS0 In the rest of that film, it is fun to watch the couple (NC and LD) shaggin each other all the time. If anyone acted this way on MUM campus, well, I think the dome badges would be swiped. : ) Inland empire reminds me of what one would feel like if a nurse goes on break for an hour, immediately after leaving you hooked up to an IV of antibiotic one is allergic to. Everything is swell in-donation land empire. Do as we say, not as we do. Peace and Love! lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHA! The Turq has spoken! Good one! The Turqo, not understanding anything of David Lynch's latest movie Inland Empire, now claims he lacks creativity ! What a clown...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Curtis, I have to say, you in this response are a poor caricature of your image you try to portray here on FFL. I am not portraying any image, we were discussing a topic of interest. This is the beginning of your ad hominem slide. I used the example of the life in a housing project to illustrate on how the social changes are just superficial and how they result in merely new rules and new games. And I was showing that this example was shortsighted in a discussion about the achievements of MLK. It also was a classically stereotypical caricature of black society. You amend this view below and I believe you vastly improve the impression you give of your understanding of the poor part of black society. If not for the fact that I have been living in this country for 20 years and am speaking to an American audience I would have very well used examples from India. I have as much disgust for hypocritical repressed values of India and I have never hesitated in articulating them. I still have my emails from last year when I blasted the traditional conservative values of Indian men. Alright, but that was not our topic was it? I hate to have to disappoint you in your weird fantasies and twisting of my words into portraying me as being a judgmental person. Let me stop you there. I don't have weird fantasies about you, I was reacting to the actual words you chose to write. I disagreed with them. You are a highly judgmental person Ravi, as am I. Are you concerned that I am thinking of you as a prejudiced person? No. I thought you were expressing naive opinions about a culture you didn't have much exposure to. I was wrong about that. But I still disagree with your reduction of black society into ghetto criminal life in a discussion of the achievements of MLK. I totally love white and black people or any other race. But I'm definitely partial in my love for the black people. I have had an excellent time with blacks, my professor and the secretary at the reading department of the black school I attended. I used to be touched by the genuine love and compassion that these church going people showed. I loved black gospel music, enjoyed rap music, I just loved the heart centered-ness of the black people even when I used to be occasionally cursed while working in the housing projects. I found them to be very authentic. Even at the age of 22 I recall enjoying stimulating conversation with the older blacks at the housing projecting, the ones who probably watched the likes of MLK in person. I certainly saw many who were lucky and/or could see this game and successfully transitioned out of the projects. Then you should be more sensitive to writing off the achievement of MLK by using the criminal element in poor societies as somehow meaning he achieved nothing. His achievement was not only for black culture. It liberated white culture from such overtly un-American race relations. It was not meant to solve all the problems of personal prejudice, it was meant to provide legal remedies for the inequality. And by integrating schools and workplaces, mixing the races (hated by racists), the newer generation has far less prejudice, so it worked in that way too. So take your projected bullshit elsewhere. Judy is spot on in her assessment, you can't come to grips with your shadow and it is painful to watch Mr. Wonderful turn into Mr. Hideous. Or what I state differently, a pain projecting liberal with childish vengeful fantasies now projected into some grand social utopian ideal and worship of pseudo spiritual icons. And shifting the discussion to what a bad guy I am personally is not gunna work any better for you. I am not advocating worship of MLK, I was challenging your dismissal in favor of a more balanced appreciation. Your little list of pseudo-spiritual icons has nothing to do with me. You might be overusing the term projection for a reason. May be you are going through a hard time since the recent earthquake, may be it has shaken more than the earth for you, if so I hope you soon get a grip and get over it. Your parting shot ad hominem isn't gunna fly Ravi. I wrote what I did, based on the content of your post, because I sincerely believe it was short-sighted and disrespectful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks, equality and justice are always fascinating concepts. It's never bound to succeed but there is great satisfaction for the pain projecting liberal. There is no need to look inside and since the concept of equality and justice is bound to be a failure, you can always blame the ignorant gullible masses, corrupt politicians for your failure. That the society is not ready for your beautiful, intelligent utopian ideals. MLK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have a magical, spiritual solution to all these problems Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis. Here's what I actually said: I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so I don't really agree with him. Since you didn't define what the ways were, I was left to speculate that it included the spiritual field effect emanating from special people doing special things. Or did you only restrict it to personally teaching everyone to meditate? I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical. I know that, it was my characterization for claims without any scientific basis. I often use the term in a positive way as well. You're the one who likes to use that term to load your argument. As I indicated, I think inner healing is just as important as outer action, maybe more important. Those who aren't at least in the process of inner healing aren't going to be very successful with outer action. I guess you need to define what you include in your concept of inner healing for me to understand if you don't want me to assume. And what I actually pointed out was that you had attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right- winger, again to load your argument. In this discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even attempted to grok his perspective. I was pointing out that his reduction of all black society into ghetto criminal life was similar. I grok his perspective just fine. And I couldn't care less about it except for his unwarranted disrespect for the work of MLK. Perhaps it is you who have not attempted to understand my POV in this discussion. It takes a bit of work for those of us for whom MLK, Gandhi, et al. have always been figures of veneration to understand that a negative take on them does not necessarily involve bigotry. I believed that his take revealed a lack of historical knowledge. But one ought to be able to recognize, on the basis of the rest of his posts here, that Ravi is very unlikely to be a bigot, and thus that his perspective must be orthogonal to our own, not in opposition to it. I believe that Ravi looks down on all people equally. But the rhetoric he used was shares its perspective with some unsavory parts of the political system and I was pointing that out. It matters to me to speak up when I see it being used. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him, just that we need to realize the labels we're used to applying aren't appropriate in his case. He gets no pass due to the spiritual superiority routine he runs here. If he says something that seems to be a flippant dismissal of a man like MLK, I'm gunna challenge it. You are demonstrating that you missed my point. We need to dig a little deeper than we're accustomed to in order to see where he's coming from. I disagree. I see very little depth. It is the same old same old for me. Spiritual triumphalism. And I really don't care but I would prefer he practiced it with a little less MLK disrespect. There are plenty of things you could challenge about the guy, but pointing to the continued existence of criminal elements in poor societies is not one of them. Then at least we'll know what we're disagreeing with and will be able to mount a more fruitful argument against it--and maybe learn something in the process, broaden our own perspective a bit instead of reacting with a jerk of the knees. I gave a reasoned argument for my POV. Summing it up as if it was a knee-jerk reaction is an inaccurate characterization. If you understood what I wrote, you would know that I carefully avoided calling him a bigot or racist. But the comparison with his language and perspective as he wrote it had similarities which I pointed out. They reduced a complex group of humans in our society into a negative stereotype. I am against that. Do you think his little list of people I am supposed to have a liberal pain projecting...blah blah blah demonstrates a lot of understanding? With Ravi, you work with what you have.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Thanks Willie, good information for the general public..the millions of rank and file meditators around this world... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
A picture is worth a millennium of words...yes, this helps. --- On Sat, 9/3/11, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 4:53 PM * * If you're interested, here's an illustration of all twelve Aeon-realms and where they map to the planets in the body: http://rorygoff.com/wp-content/themes/thesis_17/custom/rotator/sample-5.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * It says Om (or more properly AUNh) is a seed-mantra for the Aeon of the Seeker, our Neptunian Turquoise Fowler or Bird-woman (not to be confused with the Turquoise Bee) -- she who indwells our divine navel and liver and upholds the Cosmic Egg of Sacred Space, while HrIMh is a seed-mantra for the Aeon of our Lunar Amber Sage -- our Lady of the Planets, she of our divine left eye -- and KlWNh (Kloonkhhh) is a seed-mantra for the Aeon of our Saturnine Indigo Mason, our Kali-Cailleach Crone, our divine sculptress, she of our divine right buttock. The HrIMh and the KlWNh are polar opposites, and together serve to bring us to our balanced midpoint in our Inner Solar plexus, or Sacred Heart. But you can't believe everything you read :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Based on the book, what does Om Hreem Kleem Namah mean? --- On Sat, 9/3/11, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: From: RoryGoff rorygoff@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 1:42 PM Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo * * According to my copy of the Book of Dzyan (Astral Edition): Om Hrim Kleeng gets rid of vasanas And stress in just a minute, Om Hreem Kleeng will clean your whole house And everything that's in it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kevin Smith's Red State
On 09/03/2011 02:13 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: At least from the trailer it looks like Kevin Smith has knocked another one out of the ball park. It's got a great cast. And it's available now before theatrical release VOD on YouTube, Vudu and I suspect Comcast too. http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=OKVCKHCz-1Q OK, so as part of Kevin's guerrilla marketing campaign for this movie, it aired on PPV in the US last night. So that means that it was on the torrentnet this morning, and as a result I got to watch it in the Netherlands tonight. I'm still reeling from the experience. I mean, we are talking Kevin Smith, king of the slacker movies, but at the same time the creator of one of the most intelligent and well-done movies about religion ever made, Dogma. I have seen every one of Kevin Smith's films, some of them multiple times. But as much as I like the guy, I've never found myself asking, What would happen if this guy decided to step away from the slacker comedy and make a serious movie -- a horror movie about America, as he sees it? I never saw this coming. Red State is at its heart a horror movie. It starts by playing to horror movie conventions. Three teenaged guys, off for a night of fun in a neighboring Southern town, follow an Internet ad promising them a three-way with a willing older woman, and as a result wander into the WRONG Southern town. This town is the home of a Chrisschun religious cult, and they placed the ad. Try to imagine what the gay-hating and sex-hating Westboro Baptist Church would be like if they decided to take God's Law into their own hands and start killing the sinners themselves. Then try to imagine the situation escalating into a machine-gun-fire standoff with the ATF. What makes this such a good horror movie is that this horror could actually happen in the US. Everything about this movie is shocking *because it could actually happen*. Kevin Smith is a closet politco. Who knew? This is a very, very, very powerful movie, about the hell that the United States of America has descended into post- 9/11. It is SO not a comedy, although it contains very funny moments, and it is SO not for the faint-hearted, or for those who lean heavily to the right politically, or who believe that doing so is synonymous with leaning to the Right. God's Right. With this film, Kevin Smith has risen to the top of my list of People I Most Want To Share Two Too Many Beers With Just So I Can Talk With Them. Great film! It will go on my top 10 list. Michael Parks should win definitely win some awards for his role. I gave it 5 stars on Vudu and I rarely give anything 5 stars. The community rating was 4.1. Rotten Tomatoes around 38 when probably means the slacker crowd was disappointed it wasn't another film about dopers. It will be interesting to see what controversy it stirs up. Right now the film should definitely be one of the top contenders for the awards season. However I would call it a political thriller instead of a horror film. Quite a few issues put on the table and ones that many studios would tap dance around. We'll see if Hollywood snubs it in an effort to be politically correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: It takes a bit of work for those of us for whom MLK, Gandhi, et al. have always been figures of veneration to understand that a negative take on them does not necessarily involve bigotry. But one ought to be able to recognize, on the basis of the rest of his posts here, that Ravi is very unlikely to be a bigot, and thus that his perspective must be orthogonal to our own, not in opposition to it. This is a good comment. I think it does help, alot, to put Ravi's perspective, into perspective. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him, just that we need to realize the labels we're used to applying aren't appropriate in his case. We need to dig a little deeper than we're accustomed to in order to see where he's coming from. Then at least we'll know what we're disagreeing with and will be able to mount a more fruitful argument against it--and maybe learn something in the process, broaden our own perspective a bit instead of reacting with a jerk of the knees.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
That's what you go study with a master to learn. The method of picking mantras is called mantra shastra and was not taught to TM teachers. On 09/04/2011 06:56 AM, Marcio wrote: good but how to know the most suitable? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 12:47 PM, Marcio wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo Because it didn't fit into his scheme. And nobody really knows where that scheme came from but it is pretty obvious what it is based on. One must be careful unless trained by an expert when playing around with mantra. They can produce unexpected results. M and NG endings can be favored by different traditions, some use both while other use just one or the other. I watched Indian pundits go at arguments over those endings on Internet forums. Quite funny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I guess she doesn't have a laptop...
On 09/03/2011 05:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I used the Kindle a *lot* over Saturday and Sunday, both browsing and just reading, and it still had several hours on it when the power came back on Monday. Then I recharged it, but I just wanted to be careful not to use up too much battery in case the power went out again. The thing is only 7 x 5 x 1/3 and weighs 8.7 oz. I don't imagine you could cram a much bigger battery into it. Battery technology is something they are working on. Not much was done over the previous years but there is a need now not only for gadgets but vehicles. Your Kindle weighs about the same as my 7 Velocity Cruz Android tablet. School districts are starting to opt for iPads instead of textbooks at $500-600 a pop. Apparently school administrators don't know that readers can be purchased for ~$100. Well, if you read the article you cited, the iPad does a great deal more than a reader. And so do $120+ Android tablets. And there are many more sources so school districts don't have to be stuck with just one line. Apple has the administrators snowed. You can get the anthology (which has the longer 1953 version) used on Amazon (mass market paper) for 1 cent plus $3.99 shipping. Also available as a free PDF download (with a two- week free trial subscription to the site) here: http://www.ebook3600.com/robert-a-heinlein-if-this-goes-on This may be the shorter original 1940 version. You can find just about any used book on the Web, but you have to know what you're looking for. Browsing in a shop full of actual old books looking for something of interest is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, although there'll probably be a few holdouts that are able to stay in business more or less as curiosities. Sad. I decided to read it on Scribd on my 10 Acer Android tablet. Funny thing is it downloaded it. It's a little dated in writing style but kind of an interesting read after watching Red State.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kevin Smith's Red State
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 02:13 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: At least from the trailer it looks like Kevin Smith has knocked another one out of the ball park. It's got a great cast. And it's available now before theatrical release VOD on YouTube, Vudu and I suspect Comcast too. http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=OKVCKHCz-1Q OK, so as part of Kevin's guerrilla marketing campaign for this movie, it aired on PPV in the US last night. So that means that it was on the torrentnet this morning, and as a result I got to watch it in the Netherlands tonight. I'm still reeling from the experience. I mean, we are talking Kevin Smith, king of the slacker movies, but at the same time the creator of one of the most intelligent and well-done movies about religion ever made, Dogma. I have seen every one of Kevin Smith's films, some of them multiple times. But as much as I like the guy, I've never found myself asking, What would happen if this guy decided to step away from the slacker comedy and make a serious movie -- a horror movie about America, as he sees it? I never saw this coming. Red State is at its heart a horror movie. It starts by playing to horror movie conventions. Three teenaged guys, off for a night of fun in a neighboring Southern town, follow an Internet ad promising them a three-way with a willing older woman, and as a result wander into the WRONG Southern town. This town is the home of a Chrisschun religious cult, and they placed the ad. Try to imagine what the gay-hating and sex-hating Westboro Baptist Church would be like if they decided to take God's Law into their own hands and start killing the sinners themselves. Then try to imagine the situation escalating into a machine-gun-fire standoff with the ATF. What makes this such a good horror movie is that this horror could actually happen in the US. Everything about this movie is shocking *because it could actually happen*. Kevin Smith is a closet politco. Who knew? This is a very, very, very powerful movie, about the hell that the United States of America has descended into post- 9/11. It is SO not a comedy, although it contains very funny moments, and it is SO not for the faint-hearted, or for those who lean heavily to the right politically, or who believe that doing so is synonymous with leaning to the Right. God's Right. With this film, Kevin Smith has risen to the top of my list of People I Most Want To Share Two Too Many Beers With Just So I Can Talk With Them. Great film! It will go on my top 10 list. Michael Parks should win definitely win some awards for his role. I gave it 5 stars on Vudu and I rarely give anything 5 stars. The community rating was 4.1. Rotten Tomatoes around 38 when probably means the slacker crowd was disappointed it wasn't another film about dopers. It will be interesting to see what controversy it stirs up. Right now the film should definitely be one of the top contenders for the awards season. However I would call it a political thriller instead of a horror film. Quite a few issues put on the table and ones that many studios would tap dance around. We'll see if Hollywood snubs it in an effort to be politically correct. Kevin has already said that the only reason he's releasing it right now is to qualify it for Oscar nominations. *Not* for him and the film, but for the actors, many of whom put in fine, fine performances. John Goodman was great.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kevin Smith's Red State
On 09/04/2011 09:30 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 02:13 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: At least from the trailer it looks like Kevin Smith has knocked another one out of the ball park. It's got a great cast. And it's available now before theatrical release VOD on YouTube, Vudu and I suspect Comcast too. http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=OKVCKHCz-1Q OK, so as part of Kevin's guerrilla marketing campaign for this movie, it aired on PPV in the US last night. So that means that it was on the torrentnet this morning, and as a result I got to watch it in the Netherlands tonight. I'm still reeling from the experience. I mean, we are talking Kevin Smith, king of the slacker movies, but at the same time the creator of one of the most intelligent and well-done movies about religion ever made, Dogma. I have seen every one of Kevin Smith's films, some of them multiple times. But as much as I like the guy, I've never found myself asking, What would happen if this guy decided to step away from the slacker comedy and make a serious movie -- a horror movie about America, as he sees it? I never saw this coming. Red State is at its heart a horror movie. It starts by playing to horror movie conventions. Three teenaged guys, off for a night of fun in a neighboring Southern town, follow an Internet ad promising them a three-way with a willing older woman, and as a result wander into the WRONG Southern town. This town is the home of a Chrisschun religious cult, and they placed the ad. Try to imagine what the gay-hating and sex-hating Westboro Baptist Church would be like if they decided to take God's Law into their own hands and start killing the sinners themselves. Then try to imagine the situation escalating into a machine-gun-fire standoff with the ATF. What makes this such a good horror movie is that this horror could actually happen in the US. Everything about this movie is shocking *because it could actually happen*. Kevin Smith is a closet politco. Who knew? This is a very, very, very powerful movie, about the hell that the United States of America has descended into post- 9/11. It is SO not a comedy, although it contains very funny moments, and it is SO not for the faint-hearted, or for those who lean heavily to the right politically, or who believe that doing so is synonymous with leaning to the Right. God's Right. With this film, Kevin Smith has risen to the top of my list of People I Most Want To Share Two Too Many Beers With Just So I Can Talk With Them. Great film! It will go on my top 10 list. Michael Parks should win definitely win some awards for his role. I gave it 5 stars on Vudu and I rarely give anything 5 stars. The community rating was 4.1. Rotten Tomatoes around 38 when probably means the slacker crowd was disappointed it wasn't another film about dopers. It will be interesting to see what controversy it stirs up. Right now the film should definitely be one of the top contenders for the awards season. However I would call it a political thriller instead of a horror film. Quite a few issues put on the table and ones that many studios would tap dance around. We'll see if Hollywood snubs it in an effort to be politically correct. Kevin has already said that the only reason he's releasing it right now is to qualify it for Oscar nominations. *Not* for him and the film, but for the actors, many of whom put in fine, fine performances. John Goodman was great. Yes, there were many fine performances and Goodman was great as well as Leo. Parks just had the meatier role. It's the same reason Bryan Cranston was winning the Emmy year after year because the part was something an actor could really do something with.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
* * That I understand, Marcelo! May you enjoy it immensely! In my view, this Kleeng sound is indeed a wonderful Mrs. Clean. It may well help cut and polish your diamond-body of perfection. In the process, as your diamond-body is properly cut and sculpted to reflect the brilliance of Totality, you may well find yourself losing things you were unnecessarily addicted to: these are like the chips which must fall off the well-cut diamond -- for I find this is indeed primarily a Maha-Kali mantra, of sounds resonating with our archetype of the Indigo Jeweler or Mason :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: RoryI meditate with kleeng mantra, I felt much more affinity ... kleem mantra meditate is not so good to me ... I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-) I said I would like to meditate with the mantra kleem (kleeng) using the Transcendental Meditation technique, without effort, only to repeat the mantra naturally, without using concentration or contemplation .. only change my mantra I received from the teacher on the other, (kleem o0r kleeng) thankyou Rory .. peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Rory kleeng you think is more powerful? * * For me, Marcelo, it feels closer to the truth, but if you feel otherwise, you probably ought to honor That. The Self Who enlivens the mantra in you, the Inner tradition which inspires you and which you align yourself with and which calls you Home, is in my heart far more important than the surface details of the mantra itself. I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have a magical, spiritual solution to all these problems Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis. Here's what I actually said: I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so I don't really agree with him. Since you didn't define what the ways were, I was left to speculate that it included the spiritual field effect emanating from special people doing special things. (Special is another denigrating term you use to load your arguments.) A speculation without basis. Inner healing, the phrase I used, can happen in all sorts of ways. Ravi didn't specify a particular way either. You weren't left to speculate, you simply wanted to put me down, after having put Ravi down for the same reason. Or did you only restrict it to personally teaching everyone to meditate? Doesn't even have to involve meditation. Different strokes for different folks. I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical. I know that, Then why did you say it was what I had pointed out? it was my characterization for claims without any scientific basis. Ravi was speaking in very general terms, not making any specific claims about any particular spiritual solution. As was I. I often use the term in a positive way as well. Oh, please. Not when you're using it in this type of context. You're the one who likes to use that term to load your argument. As I indicated, I think inner healing is just as important as outer action, maybe more important. Those who aren't at least in the process of inner healing aren't going to be very successful with outer action. I guess you need to define what you include in your concept of inner healing for me to understand if you don't want me to assume. Anything that works to calm the kind of inner disharmony that results, for example, in instantly labeling someone a right-winger when they refuse to accept one's views of MLK. And what I actually pointed out was that you had attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right- winger, again to load your argument. In this discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even attempted to grok his perspective. I was pointing out that his reduction of all black society into ghetto criminal life was similar. And implying that therefore the basis for his views was similar. Your follow-up to him indicates you now realize that isn't the case, but what I'm pointing out is that your initial assumption was a knee-jerk one in the face of the evidence of his past posts. I grok his perspective just fine. And I couldn't care less about it except for his unwarranted disrespect for the work of MLK. Well, no, you *don't* grok his perspective if you call his disrespect for MLK unwarranted. Would you acknowledge that I grokked your perspective if I called your disrespect for MMY, Guru Dev, et al. unwarranted? Your call for respect for your own icons is on pretty shaky ground given your lack of respect for the icons of others. (Remember, I'm not *defending* Ravi's perspective. I don't agree with it.) Perhaps it is you who have not attempted to understand my POV in this discussion. I grok your POV just fine. It takes a bit of work for those of us for whom MLK, Gandhi, et al. have always been figures of veneration to understand that a negative take on them does not necessarily involve bigotry. I believed that his take revealed a lack of historical knowledge. Maybe it does. Or maybe he interprets it differently. But one ought to be able to recognize, on the basis of the rest of his posts here, that Ravi is very unlikely to be a bigot, and thus that his perspective must be orthogonal to our own, not in opposition to it. I believe that Ravi looks down on all people equally. You mean, if he looks down on *you*, he must look down on everybody. But the rhetoric he used was shares its perspective with some unsavory parts of the political system and I was pointing that out. While implying he also shared the unsavoriness. It matters to me to speak up when I see it being used. There are ways to do that without making assumptions about the person using it. Especially, again, when you have counter-evidence to those assumptions. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him, just that we need to realize the labels we're used to applying aren't appropriate in his case. He gets no pass due to the spiritual superiority routine he runs here. But of course you don't see yourself as running a superiority routine... If he says something that seems to be a flippant dismissal of a man like MLK, I'm gunna challenge it. Another assumption: flippant dismissal. But it isn't the
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? because these mantras are tm mantras too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Mario, These seed-mantras are used in the various Tantras in reference to different deities of popular worship. What Richard Williams says is inaccurate, which has been pointed out to him numerous times. Shankara did not compose the Saudarya Lahiri nor suggest using it. This claim is considered an error by all Western and Western-trained scholars of Shankara's tradition. The Saudarya Lahiri was composed after Shankara's time by someone who was in the Shakti lineage. Richard Williams has been told this many times but believes he knows better than the scholars and only says this because he just wants to do so. Bhagavad Adi-Shankara is the human originator of the Advaita lineage of practice and understanding. It is a non-dualist tradition which was formulated by Shankara to include the worship of six deities: Surya, Ganapati, Kumara, Vishnu, Shiva and Shakti. Over time the tradition of practice began to incorporate elements from various other non-dualist lineages of practice, in particular the non-dual Shakti traditions. This is how the practice of Shri Yantra and Shri Vidya came into Shankara's tradition. The so-called Saraswati seed-syllable is used in meditation by almost all lineages of yoga practice and is also used quite liberally by ordinary Hindu priests (purari-s) in their daily puja-s in Indian temples, both in India and the U.S.A. The bija-mantras come from the Sanskrit language and are not made up on the spot by someone calling himself a guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Mario, These seed-mantras are used in the various Tantras in reference to different deities of popular worship. What Richard Williams says is inaccurate, which has been pointed out to him numerous times. Shankara did not compose the Saudarya Lahiri nor suggest using it. This claim is considered an error by all Western and Western-trained scholars of Shankara's tradition. The Saudarya Lahiri was composed after Shankara's time by someone who was in the Shakti lineage. Richard Williams has been told this many times but believes he knows better than the scholars and only says this because he just wants to do so. Bhagavad Adi-Shankara is the human originator of the Advaita lineage of practice and understanding. It is a non-dualist tradition which was formulated by Shankara to include the worship of six deities: Surya, Ganapati, Kumara, Vishnu, Shiva and Shakti. Over time the tradition of practice began to incorporate elements from various other non-dualist lineages of practice, in particular the non-dual Shakti traditions. This is how the practice of Shri Yantra and Shri Vidya came into Shankara's tradition. The so-called Saraswati seed-syllable is used in meditation by almost all lineages of yoga practice and is also used quite liberally by ordinary Hindu priests (purari-s) in their daily puja-s in Indian temples, both in India and the U.S.A. The bija-mantras come from the Sanskrit language and are not made up on the spot by someone calling himself a guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Oh shucks. Thanks. It came from the heart. I am really interested in seeing your worldly/wordy (lol) review of Inland Empire. I will hold my breath beginning now.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Inland empire reminds me of what one would feel like if a nurse goes on break for an hour, immediately after leaving you hooked up to an IV of antibiotic one is allergic to. Content with viewing links to long excerpts of Inland Empire that were posted here, I confess to never having bothered to see the movie. But your review comment above has me downloading it in the background at this very moment. That's one of the funniest movie review comments I've ever read. Well done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
Reference to How I met your mother. I have not ever watched the show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol. Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end. Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the essence of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge? Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Babut Khoob Obbaji, You can easily distinguish between a lover like me who shows all his cards with the pimps(intellectuals) here who masquerade their pain, suffering, guilt, shame into grand sounding utopian ideals and their fascination for pseudo spiritual icons. I like your comparison with Radha and Krishna here. It is a beautiful metaphor where Krishna's beloved was Radha, he left her in Brindavan and is seen frolicking with Gopis, fighting wars, thoroughly indulged in the world. The story seems puzzling to many. Radha is symbolic for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. Though apparently engaged in the outside world he is in a perfect orgasmic unity with his Radha (beloved) in Brindavan (heart). You spend time in Brindavan(heart) till your relationship with Radha(beloved) is secure, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. So coming to your reference to Indians, I have no issues with my beloved Srushti. She, like Radha let's me go out and have fun. My flings with several sexy women like Bhakti, Mukti, Anandi, Moksha is testament to that. All Srushti asks is that I be a unquestioning slave to her and have total faith in her, which I do. About your reference to Cougars, do you watch How I met you mother? There's a hilarious episode of Barney's trysts with a cougar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Achaa. I am very new here and I appreciate all the posts of all the members and I am happy no one has shoed me away, yet. I know nothing about anyone's personal life here and I am glad for this. I do know about nature though. Your beloved Srusthi is all powerful and it is good to kneel to her desires and controls. Yet, even Radha had to squint at Krishna's delight to the Gopis. The cougars are a bit of a modern day challenge in LA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUfP9RkRs8 Even Surya Yogi Bear must take note to this phenomenon as she controls the universe of the greater Los Angeles area, because the picnic basket you may find there, may be a decoy. I always give my dear Indian friends tips on American living in real life. When their facebook accounts show wedding pictures, yet they post the, Looking to meet women, this will have a very adverse affect one day down the road when the wife finds the cache' of her husband's profile with these types of things. Even if he says he is joking. He will end up in the doghouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hey ohhaheeha, thanks for the laughs and your suggestions. This is all too much for me to digest and is not usually something I worry about. My beloved Srushti (existence) takes care of all this. A little background since you are new here and might have not heard about my beloved. We have been in a really long term relationship. Earlier I would get mad, feel resentful at how she controlled me. Finally I was humbled into realizing that I really had no choice, that she was the boss and it's been beautiful since. I realize by leaving everything to Srushti I love her more, we have great sex every day several times, she is a great lover - will do anything to please me. In fact even if I forget her for few hours, she will call me or indulge in foreplay so we are in blissful orgasm again. I spend my whole day at work in sweet remembrance of her. The world looks mystical, beautiful, drunk - I don't have any time for social utopia like our in-house pain projecting liberals. So I told Srushti back in June that I would like to move to LA in June, and here I am. I have let her know that I would like to visit good nightclubs to hang out with low vibe slimeball wannabe writer types and I trust she will take care of the why, how, where, when of it. If not then that's her wish and I completely accept it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Most welcome, Shri Ravi. I have some more unsolicited advice, if you wish to read: Real gold is fine to wear, bracelets, necklaces, real gold watches. (If you say in LA, you work in Bollywood, then anything goes.) Although you could
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Thank you, Nabby. I did not think you were going to answer my rhetorical question. hahaha Spiritual, in regards to the Eraserhead film presented is a type of Christianity version of fear, yet awakening, kind of like the spirituality of Scared Straight, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scared_Straight! Sort of what one feels if he does not make communion or confession each week, he will go to hell, as was the dull life of a factory drab setting of mundane, no questions asked, just do as one exists in whatever is presented in front of one and continues doing, leading to total gross level existence at the rate of not taking any control of the self, because the prison created for one by the manipulators in the industrial way of thinking would lead you in this very way for their own profits and one's demise if one stays in that four walled way of thinking. Eraserhead is spiritual, in that sense to me. I have seen the movie, before, Nabby. It was the wake up call of its time. : ) Now, back to, The unreasonable price of TM instruction, here we have similar incidences happening. When any organization becomes, machine like, like the industrial revolution, it again takes away from what the whole purpose of living with the self and knowing the self as to the knowledge presented for, Self Awareness, was initially presented as, and becomes like a margin down the center of a ruled loose leaf paper and looses the appeal to the reader, to the masses by rigid expectations the organization slowly structures these borders/margins into the psyche, at each step an organization leads one to take. This causes boundaries as what happens when Sidhas are not allowed to practice with a group they were trained for creating world peace, yet not knowing beforehand of learning this technique, more rules will be plunged into their lives of pure consciousness and questions start to arise, just like the movie, Eraserhead, brings to the mind of the viewer, a growing spiritual being stuck in a place so nightmarish, what is the way out? : ) TM is a wonderful tool, IMHO. Let the organization not become the drab factory of the black and white living, dead. I think when a group, of advisers have created the hierarchy they become, less acceptance occurs, because a structure to retain what is created becomes rigid, like a factory. Anyways,the price of TM needs adjustment to more affordability to the masses, for the shrinking organization to continue to exist. : ) I can agree to much you state about the film. And certainly to your last sentence. Ironic then, that it is David Lynch who is paving the way for a different price-strategy for the TMO due to his huge success.
[FairfieldLife] Torus completed
came in at 5:12 which is 2 to the 9th power, whatever that means. Anyway, remixed and fully discovered: Torus http://www.box.net/shared/sqenz1br1jizxtcmqmln copyright jim flanegin and temple dog
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Curtis, I have to say, you in this response are a poor caricature of your image you try to portray here on FFL. I am not portraying any image, we were discussing a topic of interest. This is the beginning of your ad hominem slide. I used the example of the life in a housing project to illustrate on how the social changes are just superficial and how they result in merely new rules and new games. And I was showing that this example was shortsighted in a discussion about the achievements of MLK. It also was a classically stereotypical caricature of black society. You amend this view below and I believe you vastly improve the impression you give of your understanding of the poor part of black society. If not for the fact that I have been living in this country for 20 years and am speaking to an American audience I would have very well used examples from India. I have as much disgust for hypocritical repressed values of India and I have never hesitated in articulating them. I still have my emails from last year when I blasted the traditional conservative values of Indian men. Alright, but that was not our topic was it? I hate to have to disappoint you in your weird fantasies and twisting of my words into portraying me as being a judgmental person. Let me stop you there. I don't have weird fantasies about you, I was reacting to the actual words you chose to write. I disagreed with them. You are a highly judgmental person Ravi, as am I. Are you concerned that I am thinking of you as a prejudiced person? No. I thought you were expressing naive opinions about a culture you didn't have much exposure to. I was wrong about that. But I still disagree with your reduction of black society into ghetto criminal life in a discussion of the achievements of MLK. I totally love white and black people or any other race. But I'm definitely partial in my love for the black people. I have had an excellent time with blacks, my professor and the secretary at the reading department of the black school I attended. I used to be touched by the genuine love and compassion that these church going people showed. I loved black gospel music, enjoyed rap music, I just loved the heart centered-ness of the black people even when I used to be occasionally cursed while working in the housing projects. I found them to be very authentic. Even at the age of 22 I recall enjoying stimulating conversation with the older blacks at the housing projecting, the ones who probably watched the likes of MLK in person. I certainly saw many who were lucky and/or could see this game and successfully transitioned out of the projects. Then you should be more sensitive to writing off the achievement of MLK by using the criminal element in poor societies as somehow meaning he achieved nothing. His achievement was not only for black culture. It liberated white culture from such overtly un-American race relations. It was not meant to solve all the problems of personal prejudice, it was meant to provide legal remedies for the inequality. And by integrating schools and workplaces, mixing the races (hated by racists), the newer generation has far less prejudice, so it worked in that way too. So take your projected bullshit elsewhere. Judy is spot on in her assessment, you can't come to grips with your shadow and it is painful to watch Mr. Wonderful turn into Mr. Hideous. Or what I state differently, a pain projecting liberal with childish vengeful fantasies now projected into some grand social utopian ideal and worship of pseudo spiritual icons. And shifting the discussion to what a bad guy I am personally is not gunna work any better for you. I am not advocating worship of MLK, I was challenging your dismissal in favor of a more balanced appreciation. Your little list of pseudo-spiritual icons has nothing to do with me. You might be overusing the term projection for a reason. May be you are going through a hard time since the recent earthquake, may be it has shaken more than the earth for you, if so I hope you soon get a grip and get over it. Your parting shot ad hominem isn't gunna fly Ravi. I wrote what I did, based on the content of your post, because I sincerely believe it was short-sighted and disrespectful. Says the man who compared Maharishi to Mao.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Torus completed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: came in at 5:12 which is 2 to the 9th power, whatever that means. Anyway, remixed and fully discovered: Torus http://www.box.net/shared/sqenz1br1jizxtcmqmln copyright jim flanegin and temple dog Beautiful !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Thank you, Nabby. I did not think you were going to answer my rhetorical question. hahaha Spiritual, in regards to the Eraserhead film presented is a type of Christianity version of fear, yet awakening, kind of like the spirituality of Scared Straight, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scared_Straight! Sort of what one feels if he does not make communion or confession each week, he will go to hell, as was the dull life of a factory drab setting of mundane, no questions asked, just do as one exists in whatever is presented in front of one and continues doing, leading to total gross level existence at the rate of not taking any control of the self, because the prison created for one by the manipulators in the industrial way of thinking would lead you in this very way for their own profits and one's demise if one stays in that four walled way of thinking. Eraserhead is spiritual, in that sense to me. I have seen the movie, before, Nabby. It was the wake up call of its time. : ) Now, back to, The unreasonable price of TM instruction, here we have similar incidences happening. When any organization becomes, machine like, like the industrial revolution, it again takes away from what the whole purpose of living with the self and knowing the self as to the knowledge presented for, Self Awareness, was initially presented as, and becomes like a margin down the center of a ruled loose leaf paper and looses the appeal to the reader, to the masses by rigid expectations the organization slowly structures these borders/margins into the psyche, at each step an organization leads one to take. This causes boundaries as what happens when Sidhas are not allowed to practice with a group they were trained for creating world peace, yet not knowing beforehand of learning this technique, more rules will be plunged into their lives of pure consciousness and questions start to arise, just like the movie, Eraserhead, brings to the mind of the viewer, a growing spiritual being stuck in a place so nightmarish, what is the way out? : ) TM is a wonderful tool, IMHO. Let the organization not become the drab factory of the black and white living, dead. I think when a group, of advisers have created the hierarchy they become, less acceptance occurs, because a structure to retain what is created becomes rigid, like a factory. Anyways,the price of TM needs adjustment to more affordability to the masses, for the shrinking organization to continue to exist. : ) I can agree to much you state about the film. And certainly to your last sentence. Ironic then, that it is David Lynch who is paving the way for a different price-strategy for the TMO due to his huge success. We will have to wait and see and hope he has the ability to fathom these types of thoughts in this day and age that one may forget about when one has access to all the fine living.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I got hooked on to How I met your mother as well. Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence of Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully engage, perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner with your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time, place and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel, the wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions totally aligned with your innate dharma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Reference to How I met your mother. I have not ever watched the show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol. Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end. Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the essence of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge? Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Babut Khoob Obbaji, You can easily distinguish between a lover like me who shows all his cards with the pimps(intellectuals) here who masquerade their pain, suffering, guilt, shame into grand sounding utopian ideals and their fascination for pseudo spiritual icons. I like your comparison with Radha and Krishna here. It is a beautiful metaphor where Krishna's beloved was Radha, he left her in Brindavan and is seen frolicking with Gopis, fighting wars, thoroughly indulged in the world. The story seems puzzling to many. Radha is symbolic for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. Though apparently engaged in the outside world he is in a perfect orgasmic unity with his Radha (beloved) in Brindavan (heart). You spend time in Brindavan(heart) till your relationship with Radha(beloved) is secure, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. So coming to your reference to Indians, I have no issues with my beloved Srushti. She, like Radha let's me go out and have fun. My flings with several sexy women like Bhakti, Mukti, Anandi, Moksha is testament to that. All Srushti asks is that I be a unquestioning slave to her and have total faith in her, which I do. About your reference to Cougars, do you watch How I met you mother? There's a hilarious episode of Barney's trysts with a cougar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Achaa. I am very new here and I appreciate all the posts of all the members and I am happy no one has shoed me away, yet. I know nothing about anyone's personal life here and I am glad for this. I do know about nature though. Your beloved Srusthi is all powerful and it is good to kneel to her desires and controls. Yet, even Radha had to squint at Krishna's delight to the Gopis. The cougars are a bit of a modern day challenge in LA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUfP9RkRs8 Even Surya Yogi Bear must take note to this phenomenon as she controls the universe of the greater Los Angeles area, because the picnic basket you may find there, may be a decoy. I always give my dear Indian friends tips on American living in real life. When their facebook accounts show wedding pictures, yet they post the, Looking to meet women, this will have a very adverse affect one day down the road when the wife finds the cache' of her husband's profile with these types of things. Even if he says he is joking. He will end up in the doghouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hey ohhaheeha, thanks for the laughs and your suggestions. This is all too much for me to digest and is not usually something I worry about. My beloved Srushti (existence) takes care of all this. A little background since you are new here and might have not heard about my beloved. We have been in a really long term relationship. Earlier I would get mad, feel resentful at how she controlled me. Finally I was humbled into realizing that I really had no choice, that she was the boss and it's been beautiful since. I realize by leaving everything to Srushti I love her more, we have great sex every day several times, she is a great lover - will do anything to please me. In fact even if I forget her for few hours, she will call me or indulge in foreplay so we are in blissful orgasm again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Torus completed
Glad you like it! I've been kind of obsessed with it over the weekend. In a good way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: came in at 5:12 which is 2 to the 9th power, whatever that means. Anyway, remixed and fully discovered: Torus http://www.box.net/shared/sqenz1br1jizxtcmqmln copyright jim flanegin and temple dog Beautiful !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti - New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 09/01/2011
Blow ye the trumpet, blow, The gladly solemn sound; Let all the nations know, To earth's remotest bound, Adyashanti dares all seekers of peace and freedom to take the possibility of liberation in this life seriously. And Buck double-dares all meditators to return ye Home. Absolutely, Buck too so hopes that you all will return to the path. Come back. Come to meditation. Life is so short and time slips away all the time like sand running through an hour glass of life. Take the possibility seriously. Come back to the domes and help out for yourselves and the world. Help with the numbers. Even if only for just a visit back home. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noah wayback71@ wrote: Folks, Rick interviewed Adyashanti for BatGap. Adya is amazing and worth checking out. He describes enlightenment in such crystal clear, humble and simple language. He is considered a major figure in spiritual circles these days. I know he comes to Fairfield sometimes. - Rick also recently interviewed Pamela Wilson. Some of these people are from the tradition of Ramana Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Buddha at the Gas Pump published 09/01/2011 085. Adyashanti http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=1f0fa28c6ae=16e07f16fe Aug 31, 2011 06:02 pm | Rick Adyashanti dares all seekers of peace and freedom to take the possibility of liberation in this life seriously.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
Haha. I cracked up at one of the ads, Brought to you by Slumdog Millionaire. Bhahahaha. Kind of an add on funny to the situation. haha. Neil Patrick Harris plays a good specimen. lol. c- bhaha. If Krishna is complete, than does Krishna exist in both male and female? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I got hooked on to How I met your mother as well. Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence of Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully engage, perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner with your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time, place and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel, the wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions totally aligned with your innate dharma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Reference to How I met your mother. I have not ever watched the show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol. Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end. Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the essence of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge? Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Babut Khoob Obbaji, You can easily distinguish between a lover like me who shows all his cards with the pimps(intellectuals) here who masquerade their pain, suffering, guilt, shame into grand sounding utopian ideals and their fascination for pseudo spiritual icons. I like your comparison with Radha and Krishna here. It is a beautiful metaphor where Krishna's beloved was Radha, he left her in Brindavan and is seen frolicking with Gopis, fighting wars, thoroughly indulged in the world. The story seems puzzling to many. Radha is symbolic for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. Though apparently engaged in the outside world he is in a perfect orgasmic unity with his Radha (beloved) in Brindavan (heart). You spend time in Brindavan(heart) till your relationship with Radha(beloved) is secure, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. So coming to your reference to Indians, I have no issues with my beloved Srushti. She, like Radha let's me go out and have fun. My flings with several sexy women like Bhakti, Mukti, Anandi, Moksha is testament to that. All Srushti asks is that I be a unquestioning slave to her and have total faith in her, which I do. About your reference to Cougars, do you watch How I met you mother? There's a hilarious episode of Barney's trysts with a cougar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Achaa. I am very new here and I appreciate all the posts of all the members and I am happy no one has shoed me away, yet. I know nothing about anyone's personal life here and I am glad for this. I do know about nature though. Your beloved Srusthi is all powerful and it is good to kneel to her desires and controls. Yet, even Radha had to squint at Krishna's delight to the Gopis. The cougars are a bit of a modern day challenge in LA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUfP9RkRs8 Even Surya Yogi Bear must take note to this phenomenon as she controls the universe of the greater Los Angeles area, because the picnic basket you may find there, may be a decoy. I always give my dear Indian friends tips on American living in real life. When their facebook accounts show wedding pictures, yet they post the, Looking to meet women, this will have a very adverse affect one day down the road when the wife finds the cache' of her husband's profile with these types of things. Even if he says he is joking. He will end up in the doghouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hey ohhaheeha, thanks for the laughs and your suggestions. This is all too much for me to digest and is not usually something I worry about. My beloved Srushti (existence) takes care of all this. A little background since you are new here and might have not heard about my beloved. We have been in a really long term relationship. Earlier I would get mad, feel
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
I give that definition/description a C minus. :-) --- On Sun, 9/4/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA.. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 4:06 PM http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I got hooked on to How I met your mother as well. Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence of Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully engage, perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner with your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time, place and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel, the wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions totally aligned with your innate dharma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Reference to How I met your mother. I have not ever watched the show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol. Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end. Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the essence of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge? Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Babut Khoob Obbaji, You can easily distinguish between a lover like me who shows all his cards with the pimps(intellectuals) here who masquerade their pain, suffering, guilt, shame into grand sounding utopian ideals and their fascination for pseudo spiritual icons. I like your comparison with Radha and Krishna here. It is a beautiful metaphor where Krishna's beloved was Radha, he left her in Brindavan and is seen frolicking with Gopis, fighting wars, thoroughly indulged in the world. The story seems puzzling to many. Radha is symbolic for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. Though apparently engaged in the outside world he is in a perfect orgasmic unity with his Radha (beloved) in Brindavan (heart). You spend time in Brindavan(heart) till your relationship with Radha(beloved) is secure, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. So coming to your reference to Indians, I have no issues with my beloved Srushti. She, like Radha let's me go out and have fun. My flings with several sexy women like Bhakti, Mukti, Anandi, Moksha is testament to that. All Srushti asks is that I be a unquestioning slave to her and have total faith in her, which I do. About your reference to Cougars, do you watch How I met you mother? There's a hilarious episode of Barney's trysts with a cougar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Achaa. I am very new here and I appreciate all the posts of all the members and I am happy no one has shoed me away, yet. I know nothing about anyone's personal life here and I am glad for this. I do know about nature though. Your beloved Srusthi is all powerful and it is good to kneel to her desires and controls. Yet, even Radha had to squint at Krishna's delight to the Gopis. The cougars are a bit of a modern day challenge in LA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUfP9RkRs8 Even Surya Yogi Bear must take note to this phenomenon as she controls the universe of the greater Los Angeles area, because the picnic basket you may find there, may be a decoy. I always give my dear Indian friends tips on American living in real life. When their facebook accounts show wedding pictures, yet they post the, Looking to meet women, this will have a very adverse affect one day down the road when the wife finds the cache' of her husband's profile with these types of things. Even if he says he is joking. He will end up in the doghouse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hey ohhaheeha, thanks for the laughs and your suggestions. This is all too much for me to digest and is not usually something I worry about. My beloved Srushti (existence) takes care of all this. A little background since you are new here and might have not heard about my beloved. We have been in a really long term relationship. Earlier I would get mad, feel resentful at how she controlled me. Finally I was humbled into
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advancedtechniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Yes, I understand ... MMY said his method does not follow anytraditional school of india ... but I'd like to understand the advanced techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
'Shri' is more of a mini-mantra for Lakshmi, which full biji mantra is: 'Shreem'... So adding Shri to any mantra is just like addiing the feminine aspect of 'Shakti' as 'Lakshmi'... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
The advanced techniques are just additions to the mantra, which extend the sound value, of the mantra, as to begin to observe more subtle levels of perception of fine values of the mantra... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Yes, I understand ... MMY said his method does not follow anytraditional school of india ... but I'd like to understand the advanced techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Not sure about Krim, but Shiam or Shiama is for Krishna --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
shri .. means auspicious reverence has nothing with mini mantra lakshmi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: 'Shri' is more of a mini-mantra for Lakshmi, which full biji mantra is: 'Shreem'... So adding Shri to any mantra is just like addiing the feminine aspect of 'Shakti' as 'Lakshmi'... shri not .. means auspicious reverence has nothing to do with mini lakshmi mantra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
LOL..so true, I feel I haven't received more than a C- from you on all my divine mother papers that I have presented to you - hard to please cougars in any area :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I give that definition/description a C minus. Â :-) --- On Sun, 9/4/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA.. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 4:06 PM http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I got hooked on to How I met your mother as well. Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence of Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully engage, perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner with your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time, place and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel, the wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions totally aligned with your innate dharma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Haha. I cracked up at one of the ads, Brought to you by Slumdog Millionaire. Bhahahaha. Kind of an add on funny to the situation. haha. Neil Patrick Harris plays a good specimen. lol. c- bhaha. If Krishna is complete, than does Krishna exist in both male and female? I guess I don't perceive Krishna as existing in me so can't really comment on that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I got hooked on to How I met your mother as well. Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence of Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully engage, perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner with your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time, place and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel, the wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions totally aligned with your innate dharma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Reference to How I met your mother. I have not ever watched the show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol. Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in his innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily step out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end. Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the essence of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge? Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P
