[FairfieldLife] Love Chooses You (was Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the s
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Almost always, when I write an essay to this list, I get private e-mails thanking me, or expressing how it was useful to them, or asking deep questions. Many times they say that they don't write to this list because of the rough atmosphere here, because of the fear of being attacked or ridiculed or made fun of, because they don't want to expose their tender feelings to that kind of response. I don't even visit lists, which atmosphere I don't like. I suppose these people feel attracted to the rough atmosphere here even if they are afraid of getting exposed, if they would write themselves. I still I wonder why they are afraid of thanking you publicly? I have never observed that my honest accounts, and exposing my personal feelings, had gotten ridiculed here. Questioned sometimes, but mostly in good spirit. So I applaud you for having the courage to speak your truth here, for all to see. You are great. And no one ridiculed Jim for doing that. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself. If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't. If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time. What he said. He could tell that MMY was getting upset about the topic. He chose to keep going, which is his right, and assuming he had some important question to ask, his responsibility. But... was he asking that question in order to get a serious answer, or to see how MMY would react? It doesn't matter. The story is HOW Maharishi reacts. He didn't react well. And the TMers here know it; that's why they're trying to make it all about the reporters being impolite. The reporters were just doing their jobs, and *as* reporters, more respectfully than usual. The person who lost it and reacted badly was Maharishi. As someone here mentioned, if TM is so good at relieving stress, where did Maharishi's come from? T'would seem he still has quite a bit of it left. Been 89 lately? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself. If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't. If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time. What he said. He could tell that MMY was getting upset about the topic. He chose to keep going, which is his right, and assuming he had some important question to ask, his responsibility. But... was he asking that question in order to get a serious answer, or to see how MMY would react? One thing I think is important to take note of in this situation we're discussing is the aspect of Maharishi as *role model* for TMers worldwide. Many, many, many people over the years, on this forum and on others such as a.m.t., have pointed out that a common behavior among the TMers was to react to simple, practical questions 1) with anger, and 2) by casting aspersions on the questioner, saying that they are stupid or ill-intentioned. It should be pretty obvious at this point where they *learned* this response. From their teacher. You've been on the receiving end of questions from reporters a lot, I take it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Speaking of press conferences
So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Termporarioly anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!! -- South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, responding to Viacom/Comedy Central's bowing to Scientology/Tom Cruise pressure to not re-show the Trapped in the Closet episode Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi's Recent Interviews'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Robert Gimbel wrote: Maharishi predicted that within six months or so, the effect would become visible to the press. Boy, does this sound familiar. Robert, please do me a favor and mark your calendar for September 18, 2006, at which time I'd like you to report the good news in case I miss it in the paper. That's roughly the 5th anniversary of 9/11... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's fortune-cookie Geneva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: --You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva? No question about it. Which is why the New Geneva will never happen. If you think about it, Maharishi's approach to city planning is remarkably like his approach to philosophy. Everything is arranged in neat little rows, everything in its own little box. That the boxes have no relation- ship to the things crammed into them or to the real world they reside in is incidental. MMY's approach is: his interpretation of the Vedic tradition is worthwhile. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Nais!
On page 299 (Penguin Paperback) of OTB it says: The Brahmabindu Upanishad declares that a huge of sins... [footnote]45 45. Yadi shaila samam pâpam... But according to http://sanskrit.gde.to that's _dhyaanabinduupaniSat_ . That upanishad seems to contain some nice in-depth(?) analysis of biija-mantras, especially _oMkaara_ [awng-kaara] ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, TM was officially banned in Indonesia in the mid 70's (during/just after Mario and Gabby Urtsin (sp), powerhouse german teachers, taught there). I Mario and Gabi Ursin - good friends of mine. Mario was my idol in early TM-days,I know him from Nuremberg, we met again in Seelisberg and Vlodrop. He is now in South Tirol afaik To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, TM was officially banned in Indonesia in the mid 70's (during/just after Mario and Gabby Urtsin (sp), powerhouse german teachers, taught there). I Mario and Gabi Ursin - good friends of mine. Mario was my idol in early TM-days,I know him from Nuremberg, we met again in Seelisberg and Vlodrop. He is now in South Tirol afaik To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: The thing is, if Maharishi is so enlightened, then all of his actions are guided by Nature and the responses of Nature to his actions, which are guided by Nature, are also guided by Nature. This would mean that the questions asked by the reporters were just the response of Nature and Maharishi's anger/frustration (whatever!) were the response to Nature as well. Not to mention that as an enlightened being, there is no binding influence of action and everything he says and does has only a good influence at all levels of creation. So why are so many panties getting ruffled about this? It's because they are also guided by nature to do so of course. They are guided by nature to waste their time that way. And they, in addition are deluded by nature, not to understand this. Isn't it fascinating all the intellectual hoops one has to jump through to believe in a universe in which there is no free will? One has to postulate that nature thinks it's valuable to run things in a way that intentionally causes beings to waste their time, or to be deluded. Of course not Barry.It just means believing that nature runs things, and that, if I am not mistaken is the scientific paradigma. About evaluations, I am surprised you don't recognize tongue-in-check. Maybe, before you continue with your rants just have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet In the 1970s, Libet was involved in research into neural activity and sensation thresholds. His initial investigations involved determining how much activation at specific sites in the brain was required to trigger artificial somatic sensations, relying on routine psychophysical procedures. This work soon crossed into an investigation into human consciousness; his most famous and controversial experiment demonstrates that unconscious electrical processes in the brain (called 'readiness potential') precede conscious decisions to perform volitional, spontaneous acts, implying that unconcious neuronal processes precede and potentially cause volitional acts which are retrospectively felt to be consciously motivated by the subject. Key word- controversial Sure, why not. But it's worth knowing about it I think. Better than just naively assume the seeming obvious. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's fortune-cookie Geneva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: --You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva? But the new one is so nice and *straight*! Does it not have 'oblique'? (I always thought New Geneva was a typeface) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Peace Rally on Square Sunday March 19 Noon-1pm Jimmy Moore Concert
I just returned from a large rally here in Walnut Creek in the East Bay of the San Francisco area. It is undoubtably the largest rally they had so far well over 1,000 in attendance. At the rally Congressman George Miller spoke as did former Republican Congressman Pete McClosky and a number of other political activists. Country Joe lead the audience in a number of songs including the ol' Vietnam favorite. It was actually a warm sunny day in the East Bay after several weeks of rain. Usually I miss these things but the other day when I was getting a haircut the rally organizer happened to be getting her hair done in the next stall. I wound up getting a special invitation to the event. - Bhairitu Rick Archer wrote: Please send this out on your e-lists if you¹re a mind to: STAND UP FOR PEACE SUNDAY MARCH 19th Fairfield Square Noon1pm commemorating the 3rd anniversary of America¹s unsanctioned War on Iraq Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson The Troops Want Us Out The Public Wants Us Out The Iraqis Want Us Out It¹s Time to Stop Beating this Dead Horse End this Faulty Mission Forget ŒBring ¹em On¹ It¹s Time to ŒBring ¹em Home¹ People for Peace invites you to Stand Up for Peace Sunday in Fairfield This group stood up for peace all through the long winter of 2002, every Sunday, from October 02 to March 03 hoping to stop the impending war with Iraq. Many traveled to DC for national marches. Most asked a simple question that was never answered: What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? Why bomb Saddam for something Osama did? Similar groups are standing up for peace all across the country to commemorate the 3rd Anniversary of Bush War II. Bring signs if you like. THIRD ANNIVERSAY OF IRAQ INVASION As the Iraq conflict enters its fourth year, the U.S. appears further than ever from reaching what was presented at the outset as clear-cut and attainable goals. In three long years we¹ve gone from ³Mission Accomplished² to Œit¹s hard ³to define what victory is,¹ as Iraq¹s top commander, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., announced recently. For those who believed that invading Iraq was the next step to winning the ³war on terror², the story was black-and-white. Every day delayed, the administration warned repeatedly, a grave and gathering threat grew more ominous, the specter of mushroom clouds hanging over our cities if we dared to hesitate. By the time we invaded, 70% of Americans thought Iraq was connected with 9/11. When the president revealed six months later, We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks, it caused only a minor stir. When the Sept. 11 commission reported in June 2004 that it had found no collaborative relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, people scratched their heads. But when not a single weapon of mass destruction was found after a year and a half of exhaustive searches, the public grew uneasy. Today, most Americans feel they were misled about the war and have concluded enough¹s enough. Even three-quarters of the troops in Iraq think we should leave within a year, including 58% of the Marines‹despite the fact that 85% of them erroneously believe that the U.S. mission in Iraq is to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9/11 attacks. Brainwashing issues aside, it means their reasons for wanting out are pragmatic, not ideological or political. Why we launched a war of aggression against Saddam Hussein in retaliation for attacks attributed to Osama bin Laden is anybody¹s guess. Investigating how it happened is not something the Republican-controlled Congress is willing to do, despite promises, even with America¹s soul hanging in the balance. That aside, it¹s time to face facts. Like a misguided missile, the Bush Doctrine has missed the mark, the elevated rhetoric falling far short of the reality. The military cannot solve the problems we face in Iraq. It¹s not the military¹s fault, or the media¹s, or a lack of patriotism, or a weak-willed public. Democracy cannot be dropped like a bomb on countries. It cannot be forced at gunpoint. Using the military as an instrument of foreign policy doesn¹t work. The positive side of the president¹s failed experiment with the Bush Doctrine is that it has shown the limits of the use of American force in the world. It¹s time to end to this costly mission. If this is a generational struggle, as our terror president says, we need to choose our battles wisely. Exiting doesn¹t mean democracy is bad or that anybody beat us. Let¹s relinquish our bases in an orderly way, honor those who have fallen and recede like the tide with heads held high. Supporting the troops means supporting their wishes to come home. They want it; the American people want it; the Iraqis want it. Everybody¹s together on this one. Isn¹t that what democracy is all about? Hey, if worse comes to worse, we can always reinvade under false pretenses again, right? If you¹re interested in standing up
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shrine in Varanasi, India, is considered holy by Hindus and Muslims alike
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But such violence did not come to pass. Indeed, the scene at the Bahadur Shahid shrine served as a reminder of a fact often obscured by the spasms of ruthless sectarian violence that strike India: that after living cheek by jowl here for so many centuries, Hindus and Muslims often find themselves quietly braided together in worship as in daily life. Like a great many Sufi shrines across India, the Bahadur Shahid shrine is considered holy by Hindus and Muslims alike. This would be another Sufi shrine, visited by both Muslims and Hindus in Mumbai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haji_Ali_Dargah (It's near Ramesh's place) I also heard that Muslims participate in some very Hindu customs, like the drowning of Ganesha statues in Mumbai. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, Michael has done his share of picking on in the past--big-time, in fact. I can't recall whether you were ever on TMNews or TMControversy, but he used to go ballistic on occasion on those forums when someone disagreed with him and blast them to kingdom come. I've been around at TMNews, thats where we actually met first,Judy. And I had some exchange with Michael there. He wasn't getting ballistic at that point, but was more or less like he is now. (Maybe I was getting a bit ballistic at that time, eg with Joe Kollet) But there is no way to enforce honesty in a forum, except if it moderated, and that nobody really wants. Well, depending on what you mean by enforce. General, strongly expressed disapproval from the participants in a forum can be a powerful incentive to clean up one's act. It certainly is. snip Actually I'm far more interested in Barry being represented correctly to others. You know that I call Barry on his lack of honesty with regard to other participants (yourself included) and to nonpersonal topics, not just with regard to what he says about me. And I surely have appreciated. snip It isn't a matter of maturity, it's a matter of keeping track. In many cases you forget what someone actually said or did, so when Barry lies about it, you're not necessarily going to spot the lies. Generally I think it's a matter of relation. What is the relation of the amount of effort and time you put in to point out somebodies shortcomings to the actual gain? In this case I think its okay, to make some self-defense for example, or point out dishonesty, but how far would you go on about it? For me there is simply very often no time to do it. There's also an underlying sense--which may or may not be accurate but does have some influence on how people see things--that if one doesn't rebut something someone else has said, it's because one doesn't *have* a rebuttal, that silence constitutes acquiescence, and that what the person has said must be accurate. I disagree very strongly here. Silence simply means silence, no agreement. How would you ever break the vicious circle of everybody wanting to have the last word? I reserve for myself the right to step out of an argument at any time without further comment, and expect that anbody else may do the same. Simply sometimes I have no time, I am not always online, I can't attend to threats at my working time, or if , only in a very limited way. So I'm not a slave to this. If somebody thinks I have nothing to say on this, its okay. snip The only reputation I'm interested in for myself is that of honesty, Michael. I don't care whether people here like me or consider me a good person, as long as they recognize that I'm an honest person. AFAIU they do. That's true, but it's not that easy to dig posts out of the archive on Yahoo. That alternate archive site is a lot better, but it's a pain to have to switch back and forth from Yahoo to that site. With Google Groups, consulting the archives is vastly more efficient than with Yahoo Groups, and you can see the text of recent posts in a thread all on one page. The Yahoo interface is simply a pain in the ass. snip I know you do, Michael, and I thank you for your concern. I just don't happen to agree with many of your points. Different strokes for different folks and all that... Sure :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Photo-mosaic of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
Cosmic photo-mosaic of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati and better photo-mosaic of MMY: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6- "Things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise" --a Buddhist Sutra To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
on 3/19/06 12:59 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really was not until the seventies, around 1975, that the movement really took off, with the Merv shows, and the many celebraties that had started TM at the time, and were helping to spread the message. But that's because a wave of new initiations, and initiators, resulted from the Beatles involvement with TM. Those initiators made the Merv wave possible. Merv probably wouldn't have heard of TM without the Beatles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself. If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't. If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time. What he said. He could tell that MMY was getting upset about the topic. He chose to keep going, which is his right, and assuming he had some important question to ask, his responsibility. But... was he asking that question in order to get a serious answer, or to see how MMY would react? It doesn't matter. The story is HOW Maharishi reacts. He didn't react well. And the TMers here know it; that's why they're trying to make it all about the reporters being impolite. The reporters were just doing their jobs, and *as* reporters, more respectfully than usual. The person who lost it and reacted badly was Maharishi. As someone here mentioned, if TM is so good at relieving stress, where did Maharishi's come from? T'would seem he still has quite a bit of it left. Been 89 lately? I guess that's somewhere on the otherside of 24/7 bliss consciousness? JohnY filed under hyperbole weakens truth... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Women Spreading Their Eggs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Women touting their bodies to sell dream of the perfect child From James Bone in New York Gee, this is an unpleasant article. Somehow it manages to almost completely avoid mentioning the fact that the couples seeking the eggs are doing so because, for whatever reason, the women don't have usable eggs of their own and would not be able to have children otherwise. I also think it's unreasonable not to expect that if a couple is going to commit to seeing through a pregnancy with a donor egg, not to mention commit to raising the resulting child, they're going to want to be sure the egg has good genes. Yet the writer portrays this as if it were somehow distasteful. No doubt there are excesses on both sides, and of course it would be better if the process could be regulated, but the writer seems to want to make it sound as sordid as possible. The couples aren't seeking the perfect child any more than if they were going to have their own child. *Every* prospective parent, in that sense, wants the perfect child. If you didn't know better, you might think from this article that the couples could have their own child but are afraid it's not going to be as good as if someone else's egg were used. Finally, the writer somehow neglects to mention sperm donation, as though it were only women who sold their reproductive capabilities and the quality of their genes. Here's an excerpt from an article in Slate.com describing one part of the writer's interview before donating his sperm: -- She asked me where I had gone to college. I said Harvard. She was delighted. She continued, And have you done some graduate work? I said no. She looked disappointed. But surely you are planning to do some graduate work? Again I said no. She was deflated and told me why. Fairfax has something it callsI'm not kiddingits doctorate program. For a premium, mothers can buy sperm from donors who have doctoral degrees or are pursuing them. What counts as a doctor? I asked. Medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, optometry, law, and chiropractic. Don't say you weren't warned: Your premium doctorate sperm may have come from a law student. http://www.slate.com/id/2119998/ --- And a P.S.: The subject heading of this post, Women Spreading Their Eggs, seems designed to make it all sound like a disease. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just for the record, Michael has done his share of picking on in the past--big-time, in fact. I can't recall whether you were ever on TMNews or TMControversy, but he used to go ballistic on occasion on those forums when someone disagreed with him and blast them to kingdom come. I've been around at TMNews, thats where we actually met first,Judy. You're right, it was. And I had some exchange with Michael there. He wasn't getting ballistic at that point, but was more or less like he is now. (Maybe I was getting a bit ballistic at that time, eg with Joe Kollet) (Joe Kellett had perfected the art of making people go ballistic...) At one point in one of Michael's diatribes at me for having questioned something he said, he declared that it was really Nature who was dumping on me; he was just passing on Nature's displeasure. snip It isn't a matter of maturity, it's a matter of keeping track. In many cases you forget what someone actually said or did, so when Barry lies about it, you're not necessarily going to spot the lies. Generally I think it's a matter of relation. What is the relation of the amount of effort and time you put in to point out somebodies shortcomings to the actual gain? Well, I don't know, actually. But I would hope that at least some who read my posts--whether I'm taking down Barry or some other person trying to get away with gross dishonesty--learn something about how to spot it, so they're less likely to be taken in by it in the future, whether on an Internet forum or in a newspaper opinion column or a State of the Union address. So there's more to it than pointing out the shortcomings of any one particular individual. Too many people simply accept what they read and hear without applying critical thinking. snip There's also an underlying sense--which may or may not be accurate but does have some influence on how people see things--that if one doesn't rebut something someone else has said, it's because one doesn't *have* a rebuttal, that silence constitutes acquiescence, and that what the person has said must be accurate. I disagree very strongly here. Silence simply means silence, no agreement. How would you ever break the vicious circle of everybody wanting to have the last word? I reserve for myself the right to step out of an argument at any time without further comment, and expect that anbody else may do the same. I think you may be unusual in this regard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them? The white alblum would have had much less drivel and crap and would have relected a surging extrapolation of the inventiveness and joy of Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt. Pepper? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip you are correct in stating that *Nothing* in life is more special or closer to the transcendent than any other. However, it doesn't follow that therefore everything is an equally good tool for transcending. Some sounds are just better vehicles for this than other sounds. I remain unconvinced. I still think that people believe this because they were told that it was true, in many cases by those who were selling these better vehicles. Saying it doesn't necessarily make it true. The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. Thanks for a very thought provoking response-- If transcending using the mantra were merely based on the power of suggestion of the mantra's ability or power, then it follows that enlightenment is achieved through the agency of the small self, or individual ego, because it is the suggestion during waking state that is effective. The Vedas say it is instead the Self unfolding its Self by its Self. While some small benefit may be achieved transcending on the thought of anything, thinking about love for example, the goal of awakening or enlightenment can never be achieved through the agency of the small self, purely by suggestion. For one thing, the ego must be tricked into surrendering to the Self, it won't do it willingly, or purely by suggestion on the thinking level of the mind. A couple of other things: When I took my SCI course in the TMO and listened to endless lectures, a lot was said about how the mantra works as a vehicle for transcending, but nothing was said about the mantra itself; where it came from, what it meant, comparing one with another, or even how special the particular sound was. Also, I have had people in positions of authority tell me things as truths all of my life. While this has sometimes resulted in years of confusion, through continually comparing what was said against my personal experience, I have made up my own mind about these things. My experience with TM has been no different; it works as advertised, and not through some facile power of suggestion. Enlightenment is not *achieved*. There can not be agency or specialness, (How can the ocean be compressed in a drop) or it is not infinite. ducking neo-advaitian wrath :-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Actually I was talking about a river in Egypt where you're concerned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:02 AM, peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them? Paul McCartney continued to smoke huge amounts of ganja. John Lennon became an heroin addict. Ringo remained an alchoholic. George ending up dying from complications of cigarette addiction. Jai Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip So there's more to it than pointing out the shortcomings of any one particular individual. Too many people simply accept what they read and hear without applying critical thinking. How do you know? That presumes that silence is acquiesence. Not all feel or respond that way. An alternative view is that responders took the bait. First, I'm speaking generally here. I hardly think this country would be in the horrendous mess it's in today if a majority of people had employed critical thinking when they elected Bush and a Republican Congress. Those of us who *were* thinking critically appear to have been right on the money when they predicted what would happen. The complicity of the media and the cowardice of the Democrats in allowing Republican lies to go unchallenged--even to this day--has been a major factor in getting us where we are. It doesn't take much critical thinking to see that some posters respond to phantoms -- words that are not there, ideas not presented. You bet. We had a sterling example of that very situation in Sal's imputing to me annoyance with reporters' questions to MMY about the Beatles, among a number of such phantoms. Yet others here have quoted and supported her fantastical diatribes repeatedly. Either via deviousness or deep clumsiness, they create ghost post worlds and respond to them. Whether one cares to reply to or comment on such silliness is another matter. Why do we tolerate the participation of such people on this forum, though? How many posts have you read denouncing MMY and the TMO for purported deception, while posters here regularly mangle the truth with no sanctions? There's also an underlying sense--which may or may not be accurate but does have some influence on how people see things--that if one doesn't rebut something someone else has said, it's because one doesn't *have* a rebuttal, that silence constitutes acquiescence, and that what the person has said must be accurate. Why would one ever presume that? Quite a different mind set than mine. Quite possibly different than yours, or at least different than you're willing to recognize. I think at least some of this presumption may be subconscious. In some if not many caess, silence is the most powerful statement. It implies the post is not worthy of a response. Its a snub. That may be what it's intended to imply. The question is whether that is always what is inferred. Perhaps rude, but less so than being pulled into the mire with someone who has no respect for facts, logic and sincere inquiry. You seem to be suggesting a moral equivalency here, putting the person who exposes the lies on the same moral level as the person doing the lying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip MMY says here: Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like a mad man, they can say anything. I think he is by that statement subconsciously describing himself. MMY has been successful in surrounding himself with yes-men. That success has however created a situation were he can get no critical assessment and he is totally free to publicly humiliate himself, when he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Why do we tolerate the participation of such people on this forum, though? Correction: I should have said such behavior. I didn't mean to suggest such people should be prevented from posting, or, for that matter, from lying in their posts; I meant tolerate in the sense of not expressing disapproval. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. I think he may be somewhat less focused in his responses than he has been in the past, but I don't see any signs of senility either, certainly not enough to warrant protecting him from humiliation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_on_you_i_piss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them? The white alblum would have had much less drivel and crap and would have relected a surging extrapolation of the inventiveness and joy of Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt. Pepper? Don't even think they'd be remembered today, were it not for MMY. At least no more than any other sixties flash in the pan band. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Actually I was talking about a river in Egypt where you're concerned. I am embarrased, I just realized I was exchanging insults with a 64-year old. Please forgive me Mrs Stein, and do turn on the hearing aid until the next time the nice folks in white coats comes knocking at your door. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:02 AM, peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi? They were already doing great before him. Strange question. Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them? Paul McCartney continued to smoke huge amounts of ganja. John Lennon became an heroin addict. Ringo remained an alchoholic. George ending up dying from complications of cigarette addiction. Jai Guru Dev. Sounds like your model Fairfield citizen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip So there's more to it than pointing out the shortcomings of any one particular individual. Too many people simply accept what they read and hear without applying critical thinking. How do you know? That presumes that silence is acquiesence. Not all feel or respond that way. An alternative view is that responders took the bait. First, I'm speaking generally here. I hardly think this country would be in the horrendous mess it's in today if a majority of people had employed critical thinking when they elected Bush and a Republican Congress. Quite a disconnect. I did not suggest abaondoning critical thinking. But perhaps you are just making an independent point. Those of us who *were* thinking critically appear to have been right on the money when they predicted what would happen. The complicity of the media and the cowardice of the Democrats in allowing Republican lies to go unchallenged--even to this day--has been a major factor in getting us where we are. I suppose some not employing critcal thinking might think the implcation of what you are saying is that those who do not engage people who clearly distort and twist things on FFL and in daily responsible are for Bush and Iraq. So many silly things are said by so many people in so many areas of life. Some are worhty of response, some are not. Instead of rsponding to all of them, I believe picking ones battles is a key to effectivness. It doesn't take much critical thinking to see that some posters respond to phantoms -- words that are not there, ideas not presented. You bet. We had a sterling example of that very situation in Sal's imputing to me annoyance with reporters' questions to MMY about the Beatles, among a number of such phantoms. Yet others here have quoted and supported her fantastical diatribes repeatedly. Ah, and such an important world shaking issue to spend finite time and atention on. Either via deviousness or deep clumsiness, they create ghost post worlds and respond to them. Whether one cares to reply to or comment on such silliness is another matter. Why do we tolerate the participation of such people on this forum, though? Tolerate,tolerate,tolerate. Such an interesting concept or frame. To me, its a false dichotomy: to tolerate or not tolerate. The dichotomy supposes there is an itch and one must either endure it, or scratch it. I find no itch. I see some silly people, either clumsy or clever (a la devious), either seeking atention or simple a shallow brook -- bubbling away when shallow waters find rocks in their path. Responding to such, while entertaining at times, simply feeds the seed. It gives attention, acknowledgement and credence to silliness. As if they had a real point of substance. If one has a point of substance to make, and to do so, must point out the shallowness or twisted nature of a poster's comments, ok then. But if the sole point is this person is silly -- why waste breath on the obvious. And what about those to whom it is not obvious?, you ask. Then they, are either silly and will not get it -- no matter how hard you elucidate -- or are in a temporary lapse -- and will wake up momentarily by their own wits. How many posts have you read denouncing MMY and the TMO for purported deception, while posters here regularly mangle the truth with no sanctions? And jumping into the pit of sand that such posters can't dig out of will help ? There's also an underlying sense--which may or may not be accurate but does have some influence on how people see things--that if one doesn't rebut something someone else has said, it's because one doesn't *have* a rebuttal, that silence constitutes acquiescence, and that what the person has said must be accurate. Why would one ever presume that? Quite a different mind set than mine. Quite possibly different than yours, or at least different than you're willing to recognize. I think at least some of this presumption may be subconscious. In some if not many caess, silence is the most powerful statement. It implies the post is not worthy of a response. Its a snub. That may be what it's intended to imply. The question is whether that is always what is inferred. And you can always be the football of someone elses values and attention. What matters is ones own view: is this a matter worthy of response? If not, why dignify the trivial? How others perceive that (response or non response) is their world, their resposnibility, their limitiation. Why tie ones life to such capricousness, particularly if it stems from silly minds? Perhaps rude, but less so than being pulled into the mire with someone who has no respect for facts,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference - for J Stein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Actually I was talking about a river in Egypt where you're concerned. I am embarrased, I just realized I was exchanging insults with a 64-year old. Please forgive me Mrs Stein, and do turn on the hearing aid until the next time the nice folks in white coats comes knocking at your door. Judy, Nature is here to teach you a lesson! Here is the perfect example of a post that you need to ignore. Forget the ignorance, the lack of honesty, the subtle anger, the unkindness, the inaacuracies. I hope you will take this opportunity to not reply and to move on to more worthy thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference - for J Stein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Actually I was talking about a river in Egypt where you're concerned. I am embarrased, I just realized I was exchanging insults with a 64-year old. Please forgive me Mrs Stein, and do turn on the hearing aid until the next time the nice folks in white coats comes knocking at your door. Judy, Nature is here to teach you a lesson! Here is the perfect example of a post that you need to ignore. Forget the ignorance, the lack of honesty, the subtle anger, the unkindness, the inaacuracies. I hope you will take this opportunity to not reply and to move on to more worthy thoughts. Oops, I hope I made myself clear - the post I hope you ignore is the the one by PeterKlutz. The person who says he embarasses to be replyingn ot a 64 year old etc etc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: are the TM mantras magical? yes!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, definitely in my experience, the TM mantras are magical; compared to ordinary experiences of a material nature; and ordinary mantras gotten from a book . To explain briefly, an other-worldly experience would be something totally out of the ordinary, that one has not experienced until a certain age.For example, before TM, I experimented with a few psychedelic substances: LSD, peyote, mescaline...; and found such experiences generated with these to be other-worldly in that the sensations wee totally different than anything I had experienced until time. Similarly, who could imagine that POWER of some type could be attached ato a mantra. That's definitely other-worldly, (but not supernatural - just out of the range of ordinary experiences for most people). Thus, it was a new experience and definitely magical. The complementary components of equal importance relate to the use of the mantra, especially no hard concentration. Though I can't say anybody else's mantra is magical, mine is! I've also been initiated into other Traditions (e.g. Ramakrishna) but the mantra given to me had little or no discernable power. To conclude, the TM mantras from my own experience (and questioning others), are powerful by virtue of the magical element of Shakti. Mantras given out during my other initiations in other Traditions had no power in them. Of course, there are other means of transmitting Shakti, as in group chanting (which is relatively powerful), and various Shaktipat initiations; but the TM mantras appear to be unique in the magical connecting link to a word with Shakti. Gurus other than MMY may be lesser adepts as this type of transmission. The TM mantra is definitely the WORD OF POWER!. That's my experience. Coul´d it be black magic ?!? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely reflections anon. I confess to reading authfriend's post, albeit irregularly. Although thoughtful, they tend toward this unfortunate obsession with intellectual cleanliness. What insight they contain is often, sadly, overtaken by some dank, unquiet fascination with blame and guilt. I find this moving, as the poster seems to posses the necessary tools for critical thinking, yet chooses instead a fruitless game - like a capable chess opponent who insists on playing checkers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference - for J Stein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip I had no idea the Beatles were meditating when I learned TM. I knew they had been involved with MMY when I learned in 1976, but as much as I adored them as a singing group, their participation would have been a minus rather than a plus if they'd still been touting TM. I remember in the late '60s, a friend of my age wrote me enthusiastically quoting something she'd read that MMY had said in some account of his involvement with the Beatles: I am That, you are That, all this is That. She was impressed. I thought, Wow, the Beatles (not to mention my friend) can't be very discerning if they're falling for that kind of meaningless mystical nonsense. Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no- gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. I was born in 1942; I've always been a bit wistful about not having come along a few years later so I could have been part of the Woodstock generation. Sounds to me as though you wish you could have been as well. Get your ears checked - or learn how to read. Actually I was talking about a river in Egypt where you're concerned. I am embarrased, I just realized I was exchanging insults with a 64-year old. Please forgive me Mrs Stein, and do turn on the hearing aid until the next time the nice folks in white coats comes knocking at your door. Judy, Nature is here to teach you a lesson! Here is the perfect example of a post that you need to ignore. Forget the ignorance, the lack of honesty, the subtle anger, the unkindness, the inaacuracies. I hope you will take this opportunity to not reply and to move on to more worthy thoughts. Oops, I hope I made myself clear - the post I hope you ignore is the the one by PeterKlutz. The person who says he embarasses to be replyingn ot a 64 year old etc etc Man in white coat: Forgot your pills again Mr Wayback? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference - for J Stein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Oops, I hope I made myself clear - the post I hope you ignore is the the one by PeterKlutz. The person who says he embarasses to be replyingn ot a 64 year old etc etc grin No, I gotcha the first time. No need to respond to that one, fer shure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: Lovely reflections anon. I confess to reading authfriend's post, albeit irregularly. Although thoughtful, they tend toward this unfortunate obsession with intellectual cleanliness. I'll have you know I wash my mind hundreds of times a day. I mean, if you leave your mind open, there's no telling *what* might get in there. What insight they contain is often, sadly, overtaken by some dank, unquiet fascination with blame and guilt. I find this moving, as the poster seems to posses the necessary tools for critical thinking, yet chooses instead a fruitless game - like a capable chess opponent who insists on playing checkers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's fortune-cookie Geneva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: --You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva? But the new one is so nice and *straight*! Does it not have 'oblique'? (I always thought New Geneva was a typeface) All of Apple's TrueType typeface's were named after cities, IIRC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. I think he may be somewhat less focused in his responses than he has been in the past, but I don't see any signs of senility either, certainly not enough to warrant protecting him from humiliation. I see as more casual and straightforward- not so much the role of the formal teacher any longer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself. If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't. If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time. What he said. He could tell that MMY was getting upset about the topic. He chose to keep going, which is his right, and assuming he had some important question to ask, his responsibility. But... was he asking that question in order to get a serious answer, or to see how MMY would react? It doesn't matter. The story is HOW Maharishi reacts. He didn't react well. And the TMers here know it; that's why they're trying to make it all about the reporters being impolite. The reporters were just doing their jobs, and *as* reporters, more respectfully than usual. The person who lost it and reacted badly was Maharishi. As someone here mentioned, if TM is so good at relieving stress, where did Maharishi's come from? T'would seem he still has quite a bit of it left. Been 89 lately? I guess that's somewhere on the otherside of 24/7 bliss consciousness? JohnY filed under hyperbole weakens truth... Been 89 lately? How do you know what 89-year-old bliss 24/7 is supposed to act like? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Maybe its different with the generation I understand you belong to - that big spoiled, lard-assed congregation of whining no-gooders born just after WWII, whose sole accomplishment was to roll in the mud at Woodstock and being a nuisance ever after. Yes, quite so. The personal computer, the internet, wireless communications, the digital revolution, mapping the human genome, spectacular advances in medicine and pharmacuticals, tele- commuting, global communications, the creation of a middle classe in india and china larger than that in the US within a generation ... are sooo over rated. the creation of a middle classe in india and china larger than that in the US within a generation ... are sooo over rated. I don't know about you, but I'm particularly proud of that one. but that one big damn democracy is partciularly troublesome...:) JohnY Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
Would anybody in Fairfield like to inform us, who are not there, how the Anti-war rally went? How many thousands and who the guest speakers were etc.? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
In a message dated 3/19/06 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. Really? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. But its never really been tried in many areas, like the US. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anybody in Fairfield like to inform us, who are not there, how the Anti-war rally went? How many thousands and who the guest speakers were etc.? Well, here in Tucson, there was a group of perhaps a hundred or more lining one side of the street across from the Army Recruiter while at most half that lined the other side jeering at them. The police were out in force, primarily pareventing the pro-war protesters from crossing the street to attack the anti-war protesters or such was my impression of why there were literally 3x as many police on the war side, as well as large numbers of police mostly facing the war side on the center island of the street. There were a few vicious people on both sides of the street, but I think the pro-war rally participants were ALL angry while most of the pro-peace participants were much quieter and more sad than angry. A long-white-haired indian led a group of younger indians in a dance through the crowd on the peace side while the other side seemed to be mostly rednecks. My impression was that there were more veterans on the peace side than on the war side. Certainly there were far more older people of all degrees of clean-cutness on the peace side and virtually no-one over 40 on the war side. The peace side signs were mostly pointing out the number of dead iraqis (they used the more conservative figures in their signs) and GIs, while the war-side signs were more logical like take a bath or America: love it or leave it and so on. There was even a sign warning of Communism with the traditional Soviet flat symbol with the international highway don't symbol crossing it out. There were a few impeach bush signs on the anti-war side, which I guess is the intellectual equivalent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/06 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. Really? Name a place -- country, province/state, city, town -- that has a pure democratic government. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. But its never really been tried in many areas, like the US. It can't be. Communications, even today, aren't good enough, and most people aren't educated enough, for it to work. That's why the Romans went with a republic form of government. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conferencehowabout the well educated swiss?
The Swiss democracy ? do it NOT work what does work mean? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
In a message dated 3/19/06 1:03:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Name a place -- country, province/state, city, town -- that has a pure democratic government. You didn't say "pure" democray. We have a Democratic Republic and it works very well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip MMY says here: Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like a mad man, they can say anything. I think he is by that statement subconsciously describing himself. MMY has been successful in surrounding himself with yes-men. That success has however created a situation were he can get no critical assessment and he is totally free to publicly humiliate himself, when he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. Yes it is very informative to observe. I remember myself sitting as a child on a rock and looking at the blue sky and wondering if other people saw the blue sky as I saw it. I was not sure then but tentatively I came to the conclusion that they don't. This fact is very challenging , when it comes to constructive communication and interaction between people, who see differently. World peace would be ours if we collectively mastered that skill. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/19/06 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, sparaig@ writes: Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than Athens. Really? Name a place -- country, province/state, city, town -- that has a pure democratic government. North Korea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/06 1:03:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Name a place -- country, province/state, city, town -- that has a pure democratic government. You didn't say pure democray. We have a Democratic Republic and it works very well. WHy would I have to say pure? I left out pure but it should have been obvious from context. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. I think he may be somewhat less focused in his responses than he has been in the past, but I don't see any signs of senility either, certainly not enough to warrant protecting him from humiliation. Possibly not advanced senility, but clear regression in his mental capacities. Of course I read only those talks by him that appear here at FFL. It is possible that only his worst goofs get here. I quite honestly have difficulties to understand how anyone in full mental faculties could take him seriously. I guess, when it comes to someone perceiving him as one's guru, even that kind of thing becomes possible. And I do respect people's devotion. FFL just is a place were people can air the absurdities and problems they perceive at the spiritual market. For me MMY is nowadays just a cosmic clown, who is very useful in demonstrating what narcissism can create. I do however appreciate a lot of the wisdom that he earlier has brought out. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] for Judy
Judy, bearing in mind the year of your birth and the recent Beatles discussion, are you planning to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight this summer? And with whom, I wonder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
In a message dated 3/19/06 1:35:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You didn't say "pure" democray. We have a Democratic Republic and it works very well.WHy would I have to say "pure?" I left out "pure" but it should have been obvious from context. No, not necessarily, we speak of democracy very loosely all the time. How many times have we heard MMY damn democracy saying it's no good and it doesn't work. Yet he wasn't speaking of a pure democracy. He was speaking of democratic republics. Nobody speaks of pure democracy without qualifying it as pure democracy because it isn't a system in use on a national governmental level.How many times do we all hear politicians speak about democracy in the world , yet we all know they don't mean pure democracy as originally envisioned.So no, what you really meant, was not so obvious from the beginning although one could have assumed that is what you may have meant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Would anybody in Fairfield like to inform us, who are not there, how the Anti-war rally went? How many thousands and who the guest speakers were etc.? Well, here in Tucson, there was a group of perhaps a hundred or more lining one side of the street across from the Army Recruiter while at most half that lined the other side jeering at them. The police were out in force, primarily pareventing the pro-war protesters from crossing the street to attack the anti-war protesters or such was my impression of why there were literally 3x as many police on the war side, as well as large numbers of police mostly facing the war side on the center island of the street. There were a few vicious people on both sides of the street, but I think the pro-war rally participants were ALL angry while most of the pro-peace participants were much quieter and more sad than angry. A long-white-haired indian led a group of younger indians in a dance through the crowd on the peace side while the other side seemed to be mostly rednecks. My impression was that there were more veterans on the peace side than on the war side. Certainly there were far more older people of all degrees of clean-cutness on the peace side and virtually no-one over 40 on the war side. The peace side signs were mostly pointing out the number of dead iraqis (they used the more conservative figures in their signs) and GIs, while the war-side signs were more logical like take a bath or America: love it or leave it and so on. There was even a sign warning of Communism with the traditional Soviet flat symbol with the international highway don't symbol crossing it out. There were a few impeach bush signs on the anti-war side, which I guess is the intellectual equivalent. Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/06 1:35:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You didn't say pure democray. We have a Democratic Republic and it works very well. WHy would I have to say pure? I left out pure but it should have been obvious from context. No, not necessarily, we speak of democracy very loosely all the time. How many times have we heard MMY damn democracy saying it's no good and it doesn't work. Yet he wasn't speaking of a pure democracy. He was speaking of democratic republics. Nobody speaks of pure democracy without qualifying it as pure democracy because it isn't a system in use on a national governmental level.How many times do we all hear politicians speak about democracy in the world , yet we all know they don't mean pure democracy as originally envisioned. So no, what you really meant, was not so obvious from the beginning although one could have assumed that is what you may have meant. Heh. Dance all you want. My reference to Democracy and Athens was all that you should have needed. You missed my joke. NOthing wrong with missing a joke, since I do it all the time, but don't blame ME because you didn't make what was definitely an obvious connection. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Would anybody in Fairfield like to inform us, who are not there, how the Anti-war rally went? How many thousands and who the guest speakers were etc.? Well, here in Tucson, there was a group of perhaps a hundred or more lining one side of the street across from the Army Recruiter while at most half that lined the other side jeering at them. The police were out in force, primarily pareventing the pro-war protesters from crossing the street to attack the anti-war protesters or such was my impression of why there were literally 3x as many police on the war side, as well as large numbers of police mostly facing the war side on the center island of the street. There were a few vicious people on both sides of the street, but I think the pro-war rally participants were ALL angry while most of the pro-peace participants were much quieter and more sad than angry. A long-white-haired indian led a group of younger indians in a dance through the crowd on the peace side while the other side seemed to be mostly rednecks. My impression was that there were more veterans on the peace side than on the war side. Certainly there were far more older people of all degrees of clean-cutness on the peace side and virtually no-one over 40 on the war side. The peace side signs were mostly pointing out the number of dead iraqis (they used the more conservative figures in their signs) and GIs, while the war-side signs were more logical like take a bath or America: love it or leave it and so on. There was even a sign warning of Communism with the traditional Soviet flat symbol with the international highway don't symbol crossing it out. There were a few impeach bush signs on the anti-war side, which I guess is the intellectual equivalent. Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Like I said, there were obviously far more vets on the peace rally side than the pro-war side. Of course, since military members are probably being warned to stay away from ANY politically oriented thing currently, this shouldn't be surprising. Pro-war military are either in Iraq, or resting up for their next rotation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Caste system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY has no one near him, who really cares about him. Irmeli Funny how two people hearing, or reading the same thing can have completely opposite points of view. I find this latest transcript refreshing in that MMY is lucid and honest with his remarks. No signs of senility that I see. I think he may be somewhat less focused in his responses than he has been in the past, but I don't see any signs of senility either, certainly not enough to warrant protecting him from humiliation. Possibly not advanced senility, but clear regression in his mental capacities. Of course I read only those talks by him that appear here at FFL. It is possible that only his worst goofs get here. I quite honestly have difficulties to understand how anyone in full mental faculties could take him seriously. I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand how anyone with their full mental faculties could take seriously, whom no one accuses of regressing in their mental capacities, let alone becoming senile. One doesn't have to be mentally incompetent to spout nonsense. *I* don't take a lot of what MMY says seriously, but I don't assume that means he's regressed in his mental capacities. Those are really two different issues with different symptoms. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Borg to sell Wimbledon trophies - Agassi, Connors criticize
Sport - Tennis Bjorn Borg to sell Wimbledon trophiesP. Subramanyam London: Last week, Bjorn Borg surprised everyone saying that he intended to sell his five Wimbledon trophies which he won between 1976 and 1980 and two rackets, including the one he used in defeating John McEnroe in the 1980 final, to tide over financial problems. Auctioneers Bonhams said that the items offered are very special and it would be hard to estimate a price but agreed that they could bring in up to £200,000 approximately. The auction would take place June 21. "Obviously it is not easy to part with the trophies that symbolise all the tremendous effort, both physically and emotionally that it took to win Wimbledon on five occasions," Borg said in a statement. "However, I do need to have some long-term financial security for those close to me and now I believe that the time is right for the trophies and racquets to pass to either a tennis collector or a suitable institution where they can be appreciated by a wider number of people," he added.Agassi's suggestion Andre Agassi, 35, who won the Wimbledon title in 1992, felt sorry for Borg and wanted to buy the trophies. At the same time he said, "The only way you should have one is if you win it and not buy one. The thought of a Wimbledon trophy being in the hands of somebody with a lot of money is upsetting." Agassi added, "There are a lot of people who could step up to help for sure Wimbledon being one and myself another." Connors's suggestion Former Wimbledon champion Jimmy Connors has suggested that the All-England Club should buy back the trophies from Borg, allowing him the chance to buy them back in the future, when Borg becomes financially sound. Agassi agreed that Wimbledon should help Borg and said, "But, first things first. I'd like to see the sport come together to figure out a way to make sure the trophies don't get into the wrong hands." Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's fortune-cookie Geneva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: --You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva? But the new one is so nice and *straight*! Does it not have 'oblique'? (I always thought New Geneva was a typeface) All of Apple's TrueType typeface's were named after cities, IIRC. Yes, these were the ones to look good on the screen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, bearing in mind the year of your birth and the recent Beatles discussion, are you planning to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight this summer? And with whom, I wonder? Send me a postcard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: HPI, March 19, 2006
To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- Title: Hindu Press International March 19, 2006 March 19, 2006 BBC Retracts Article on Kanchi Shankaracarya 1995 "Milk Miracle" Video On-Line Seattle Celebrates Vegfest 1. BBC Retracts Article on Kanchi Shankaracarya www.mumbaimirror.com LONDON, ENGLAND, March 19, 2006: The BBC has said it paid an unspecified amount to settle a case filed by devotees of Hindu pontiff Jayendra Saraswathi against erroneous remarks by a leading Indian journalist in one of its radio shows. The remarks were made by Vinod Mehta, editor of Outlook magazine, in the BBC Radio 4 program called "A View From India," broadcast in January this year. The program led to months of protests by devotees of the spiritual leader who was allegedly accused of some misdeeds by Mehta in the programme. Some of the remarks were then found to be erroneous by the BBC's Editorial Complaint Unit (ECU). A BBC spokesperson said: "The BBC can confirm that it settled the case on an amicable basis and made a contribution to legal costs." The amount was not specified, but reports say that the BBC paid US$7,024 for an out-of-court settlement. Jayendra Saraswathi, the Shankaracharya of Kanchi, was arrested in 2004 on charges of the murder of Sankararaman, the manager of the Varadaraja Perumal temple in Kancheepuram. In its quarterly report for October-November 2005, the ECU said that it investigated two similar complaints of bias and inaccuracy in Mehta's account about the Sankararaman murder case and his alleged involvement. The ECU ruled: "The Unit found no evidence of bias. The talk made clear that the allegations against Sri Jayendra were denied and put the matter in an appropriate political context. "However, Jayendra's supposed reaction to one of the murder victim's letters (which allegedly led to his inciting a follower to arrange for the murder) was recounted as fact, whereas it is disputed that Sri Jayendra was aware of the letter at that stage. "This, taken together with the incorrect statement that the victim had been an employee of Jayendra's organization at the time of his death, tended to exaggerate the substance of the case against Jayendra. "The talk was also in error in referring to allegations of child molestation in connection with Sri Jayendra. As to allegations of sexual harassment levelled against Jayendra, the statement that "there were so many complaints from women that the police had to constitute an all-woman team to look into the charges" was correct to the extent that the charges were being investigated by an all-woman team. "However, the Unit was able to identify only three instances under investigation by the police, so it was misleading to give the impression that the police had received complaints from large numbers of women." A write-up on the BBC website based on the controversial talk has also been reportedly withdrawn. 2. 1995 "Milk Miracle" Video On-Line www.milkmiracle.com KAUAI, HAWAII, March 19, 2006: HPI note: A reader sent this link to a six-minute video of the 1995 "Milk Miracle." The website introduction (borrowed mostly verbatim from Hinduism Today's report at the time) reads:"Never before in history has a simultaneous miracle occurred on such a global scale. Television stations (among them CNN and BBC), radio and newspapers (among them Washington post, New York Times, The Guardian and Daily Express) eagerly covered this unique phenomenon, and even sceptical journalists held their milk-filled spoons to the statues of Gods - and watched as the milk disappeared. It all began on September 21st when an otherwise ordinary man in New Delhi dreamt that Lord Ganesha, the elephant-headed God of Wisdom, craved a little milk. Upon awakening, he rushed in the dark before dawn to the nearest temple, where a skeptical priest allowed him to proffer a spoonful of milk to the small stone image. Both watched in astonishment as it disappeared, magically consumed by the God. What followed is unprecedented in modern Hindu history. Within hours news had spread like a brush fire across India that Ganesha was accepting milk offerings. Tens of millions of people of all ages flocked to the nation's temples. The unworldly happening brought worldly New Delhi to a standstill, and its vast stocks of milk - more than a million
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi's Recent Interviews'
That's roughly the 5th anniversary of 9/11... And of FairfieldLife. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Robert Gimbel wrote: Maharishi predicted that within six months or so, the effect would become visible to the press. Boy, does this sound familiar. Robert, please do me a favor and mark your calendar for September 18, 2006, at which time I'd like you to report the good news in case I miss it in the paper. That's roughly the 5th anniversary of 9/11... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi's Recent Interviews'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's roughly the 5th anniversary of 9/11... And of FairfieldLife. And when I first became to addicted to MMORPGs like Everquest and Wow Online. Its a conspiracy! --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Robert Gimbel wrote: Maharishi predicted that within six months or so, the effect would become visible to the press. Boy, does this sound familiar. Robert, please do me a favor and mark your calendar for September 18, 2006, at which time I'd like you to report the good news in case I miss it in the paper. That's roughly the 5th anniversary of 9/11... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Judy, bearing in mind the year of your birth and the recent Beatles discussion, are you planning to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight this summer? And with whom, I wonder? Send me a postcard. Oh--got it! Thanks. Wanna share the cottage with me, Michael? ;-) I'll knit you a sweater... Sorry, feste, lyrics aren't my strong point, but I should at least have thought of the title. That was one of the Beatles' most charming songs, and now I get to own it for a year thanks to your lovely reminder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The biggest ashtaanga-vinyaasa-yoga school in Europe?
I just saw Mr. Petri Raisanen on TV. I was rather surprised to learn that he is one of the leaders of the biggest AV-yoga-school in Europe. Man, he sure looked energetic! He told that in his previous life he was a drunkard/drummer of a punk-rock-band! http://www.ashtangabook.com/en/start.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). If you support a military intervention, say to stop a genocide, should you be willing / mandated to join the infantry for such an effort? Should the principal apply to all policies --for example, if you want to reduce marlaria in Africa, go fly there with some mosquito nets -- instead of promoting government policy to support such? (Note recent article on guy in Indonesia doing it -- changing the world one step at a time.) If you want the cities sewage system to be overhauled, join the ciy maintnance dept and start digging? (a reasonable extension of the principal, but perhaps highlighting its shortcomings). Should the principal extend to voting with your feet? For example many proponents in the vietnam era shouted love it or leave it and as many draft age kids did (migrated to Canada). (And some, such as Unc appear to have done upon the election of Bush.) If one is concerned about global warming, should they cut their energy consumption dramatically? Will that individual action have much effect? And there are many policies that it appears one can have an opinion on, promote or be against, where individual direct action seems odd or inconsistant. For example, if one supports gay rights, is one a hypocrite if they don't start dating gays? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Veggie subscription program
New Vegetable Subscription Program Offered Maharishi University of Management Organic FarmsSM and Maharishi Vedic City Organic Farms are joining forces to offer a new Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) program for the community and for selected cities in the Midwest. Limited subscriptions are now available for Spring, Summer, and Autumn 2006. The name of this new venture is Maharishi World Peace Vedic Organic Products CSA. Maharishi University of Management Organic Farms and Maharishi Vedic City Organic Farms are unique in the field of agriculture in Iowa. Both farms are USDA Certified Organic. Together they farm more than 104,000 square feet of greenhouses and more than 20 acres of field production of vegetables and fruit. These are not the commonly known hothouse operations that use hydroponics or chemicals. All produce is grown in soil that is nourished by compost, organic fertilizers, cover crops, and mined minerals. Only vegetarian materials are used in production -- no bone or blood meal, feathers or fish. Sound has been researched to have an influence on plants. Harsh music has a deleterious effect and classical music a better effect. But all these farm locations have the soothing and nourishing influence of Maharishi Gandharva VedaSM music, the ancient melodies of Nature, played 24 hours a day. These harmonious sounds enliven the natural intelligence of the plants. The fruit and vegetables are not only fresh -- they have the enlivening influence of Nature's intelligence to help their delicate and sequential unfoldment and they have the caring attention of farmers enlivening their own inner awareness through the technologies of Maharishi Consciousness- BasedSM Education, unique to Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture projects http://www.mvoai.org/intro.html Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) projects are very popular around the country and provide mutual benefit to the consumer and the farmer. A local CSA provides an opportunity for the consumer to have the freshest produce available. Produce bought at stores is generally 10-14 days old by the date you purchase it because the produce is picked, processed, and then shipped long distances. In a CSA, the consumer is providing the farmer a guaranteed purchase so that he can buy the seeds and grow the crops knowing that there is a market for his perishable produce. Both the growers and consumers mutually support one another and share the risks and benefits of food production. Members or shareholders of the farm or garden pay their membership fees in advance to cover the anticipated costs of the farm. In return, they receive shares in the farm's bounty throughout the growing season, as well as satisfaction gained from reconnecting to the land. Members also share in the risk that farming involves, including the possibility of restricted harvest of some crops due to unfavorable weather or pests. Those subscribing will receive a weekly box of certified organic vegetables picked fresh from the farms and greenhouses. Approximately 50 types of vegetables and herbs will be grown and provided over the course of the year. Each weekly box will include 12-16 vegetables of the season to feed a family of four. Half subscriptions are also available for singles or couples. Full subscriptions will cost $30 per week; half subscriptions will cost $18 per week. More information is listed below for the Spring, Summer, and Autumn options. For those anticipating being gone for part of the summer a special flexible option allows you to pick and choose the weeks you receive produce -- with the minimum being 15 weeks. This flex summer option is $32/week. Vegetable boxes may also be shipped to locations in the Midwest outside of Jefferson County via FedEx Ground. Boxes will be packed on Wednesday of each week and delivered to your door via FedEx Ground on Thursday. Below are the membership options we offer: Maharishi World Peace Vedic Organic Products CSA 2006 Dates and Prices · Spring Shares (5 weeks -- $150) May 18 - June 15 · Summer Shares (20 weeks -- $600) June 22 - November 2 · Autumn Shares (7 weeks -- $210) November 9 - December 21 · Annual Share (Spring, Summer, Autumn $900) May 18 - December 21 · Half Spring Share (5 weeks -- $90) May 18 - June 15 · Half Summer Share (20 weeks -- $360) June 22 - November 2 · Half Autumn Share (7 weeks -- $126) November 9 - December 21 · Half Annual Share (Spring, Summer, Autumn -- $540) May 18 - December 21 · 15-20 week Flex Summer Share ($32/week) June 22 - November 2 (15- week minimum) · Asian option -- prices are the same as above but with an emphasis on including Asian vegetables, including as available: Okra, Bok Choy, Bitter Melon, Chinese Cabbage, and a variety of Asia Greens. · For all above shares there is an additional option for the onion family crop that can be specified. Those outside of Fairfield, Iowa wishing to participate may join any
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip At one point in one of Michael's diatribes at me for having questioned something he said, he declared that it was really Nature who was dumping on me; he was just passing on Nature's displeasure. That might be correct, but doesn't really work as an argument. Well, I don't know, actually. But I would hope that at least some who read my posts--whether I'm taking down Barry or some other person trying to get away with gross dishonesty--learn something about how to spot it, so they're less likely to be taken in by it in the future, whether on an Internet forum or in a newspaper opinion column or a State of the Union address. Sort of learning on differentiated thinking? I think you are really good at it, and I always wanted to learn from you. Just for me it stops, when it gets too much into personal stuff. I hate it, everybody is human, everybody can get hurt. I admit, that I am sometimes too much 'pointed' myself, probably to add some spice. But it should basically be connected to a specific argument. So there's more to it than pointing out the shortcomings of any one particular individual. Too many people simply accept what they read and hear without applying critical thinking. Sure, but many people are just lazy. Really, could you change anybodies mind? Most people have rather strong views. It's unlikely they will change their mind completely. The only thing you could achieve is for someone to have a slightly more differentiated view. snip I think you may be unusual in this regard. Let's face it: It is difficult to let go. I don't know, if this is a taboo to talk about, but isn't this also a kind of an addiction? (one form of internet addiction) For some people this may be totally under control, some just post more or less cryptic one-liners to not be drawn in too much.I feel it is a strength to just be able to stop at any point. I don't actually want to educate you, I am just explaining how it is for me. I think that it is also a false reliance on the intellect, in a way that Jim likes to point out. Not that one shouldn't rely on the intellect in a discussion, of course one should, but there is a limit somewhere, how far you would actually go out of your way, just to make a small point. These are the two extremes I would see: One is simply stating an opinion, without any intellectual back-up, and the other one an intellectual argument, pointing out inconsistencies and contradictions ad naseum.(I also like to point out inconsistencies) But I am in no way on a mission here with you, Judy. I also think that the pure exercise has its value, and that you don't degrade yourself by the topics you engage yourself in. I think everybody has to jump in the mud, and make a fool of himself at sometime ;-) Thats how life is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of press conferences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Termporarioly anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!! -- South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, responding to Viacom/Comedy Central's bowing to Scientology/Tom Cruise pressure to not re-show the Trapped in the Closet episode *** Paramount had to go along with the little turd or Cruise was not going to publicize MIssion Impossible III. Shortly after the film hits the theaters, this blackmail leverage will no longer be available to Cruise, and Paramount will let that South Park episode be shown. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of press conferences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Termporarioly anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!! -- South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, responding to Viacom/Comedy Central's bowing to Scientology/Tom Cruise pressure to not re-show the Trapped in the Closet episode *** Paramount had to go along with the little turd or Cruise was not going to publicize MIssion Impossible III. Shortly after the film hits the theaters, this blackmail leverage will no longer be available to Cruise, and Paramount will let that South Park episode be shown. Sorry, the little turd in SOuth Park is named Mr. Hanky, not Cruise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of press conferences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Termporarioly anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!! -- South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, responding to Viacom/Comedy Central's bowing to Scientology/Tom Cruise pressure to not re-show the Trapped in the Closet episode *** Paramount had to go along with the little turd or Cruise was not going to publicize MIssion Impossible III. Shortly after the film hits the theaters, this blackmail leverage will no longer be available to Cruise, and Paramount will let that South Park episode be shown. It would be interesting to see old Tom and scientology out of the closet. It is a big closet. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's fortune-cookie Geneva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva? No question about it. Which is why the New Geneva will never happen. If you think about it, Maharishi's approach to city planning is remarkably like his approach to philosophy. Everything is arranged in neat little rows, everything in its own little box. That the boxes have no relation- ship to the things crammed into them or to the real world they reside in is incidental. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Socrates -- Know Thy Self
Socrates is best known for two words: Know Thyself. His command takes on more significance when you understand one of the most important values in Greek culture: areté. Translated as virtue, the word actually means something closer to being the best you can be, or reaching your highest human potential. Socrates believed that knowledge was the key to reaching one's potential--and no knowledge was more important than knowledge of oneself. Perhaps his most important contribution to Western thought is [Socrates] this dialectic method of inquiry, known as the Socratic Method or method of elenchos, which he largely applied to the examination of key moral concepts such as the Good and Justice, concepts used constantly without any real definition. ... In this method, a series of questions are posed to help a person or group to determine their underlying beliefs and the extent of their knowledge. The Socratic method is a negative method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those which lead to contradictions. It was designed to force one to examine his own beliefs and the validity of such beliefs. In fact, Socrates once said, I know you won't believe me, but the highest form of Human Excellence is to question oneself and others Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] LIVING REALITY -- James Braha site
http://www.jamesbraha.com/home.html Pictures -- Including Vashti -- James' wife and FFL contibutor http://www.jamesbraha.com/photos.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
After all, Jude, Indicate precisely what you mean to say could have been written as your motto. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Judy, bearing in mind the year of your birth and the recent Beatles discussion, are you planning to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight this summer? And with whom, I wonder? Send me a postcard. Oh--got it! Thanks. Wanna share the cottage with me, Michael? ;-) I'll knit you a sweater... Sorry, feste, lyrics aren't my strong point, but I should at least have thought of the title. That was one of the Beatles' most charming songs, and now I get to own it for a year thanks to your lovely reminder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After all, Jude, Indicate precisely what you mean to say could have been written as your motto. grin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Judy, bearing in mind the year of your birth and the recent Beatles discussion, are you planning to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight this summer? And with whom, I wonder? Send me a postcard. Oh--got it! Thanks. Wanna share the cottage with me, Michael? ;-) I'll knit you a sweater... Sorry, feste, lyrics aren't my strong point, but I should at least have thought of the title. That was one of the Beatles' most charming songs, and now I get to own it for a year thanks to your lovely reminder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi's Recent Interviews'
In a message dated 3/19/06 3:46:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maharishi predicted that within six months or so,the effect would become visible to the press.Boy, does this ˆ sound familiar. No he's just counting on everybody to have forgotten what he said in about six months. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Global Family Chat March 18th
dome fees may go down to $25, Brahmastan land purchased in Nebraska: *** (Courtesy of Graeme Lodge, National Leader of New Zealand) Maharishi's GLobal Family Chat, Sat 18th March, 2006 Long Summary: Raja Bob Wynn: 1800 sidhas here at Fairfield. More than Super Radiance number already, so instantly we can achieve goal. All 1800 have not been doing program together. Maharishi says good if people don't have to travel too far to program. So we have started to build new flying halls all around the city so always one close to home or work. All are according to Maharishi Sthapatya Ved. Good heating cooling and ventilation. Some companies can provide halls for their workers. Today we announced purchase of Brahmasthan of US west of here. Then the idea came to Maharishi that we could have 4000 here in Iowa. Let them come here and stay in vastu homes that we can build very quickly. We have 2500 acres of land here at Vedic City. But important fact is 1800 is enough, so it is done for US. We are working with goups of people to work out optimum time for flying as everyone needs to do it together at same time. Even though in different flying halls. Should only cost about $25 a month for flying fees. Bldgs will be built very cheaply but good quality. Many universities between here and brahmasthan, so can create a peace corridor. Need to advertise to attract students to campus. Need to focus on student population. Need to remind everyone in Faifield why they should come to program together and create World Peace. With lands we own and are buying we will have 30 Peace Palaces going up immediately in 9 states of Maharishi Vedic America. White marble exterior and metal frame. Builder will build anywhere for a fixed price and is financing them. First floor can be bedrooms as on 2nd floor so are very flexible. There is a basic pattern that can be used for colleges as well as Peace Palaces. Residences and medical colleges and clinics. In Dallas, large piece of land owned already and can have medical clinic. Modern medicine is getting more dangerous every day if you have been following the news, you will know. Maharishi says must get into vastu otherwise you won't know from what corner the disease will come. You should move as if your house is on fire. Bevan: When Maharishi was going over this plan today he concluded that the US which is the largest of the adopted countries will attain invincibility first, based on discussions today . Peace corridor between groups at Brahmastan and Maharishi Vedic City will be very powerful. Brahmasthan is 360 miles away from Vedic City. Maharishi said Raja Dean should have Peace Palaces on other side of Potomac river in Washington, in an auspicious place. Students that are coming for David Lynch weekend should be encouraged to stay there and become yogic fliers. So are now focusing on doubling the number of yogic flyers to 4000. Whole press team will be focused on this. Ashley Deans and Craig Pearson are coming back from India immediately to spearhead this effort to create National invincibility. Maharishi felt very satisfied with the planning for this. HE Dr Chris Crowell from Switz: Very successful week . Dr Hagelin arrived in Zurich . Shows slides develpment in newspapers for press conference and evening conference. Venue Hotel Zemstrukten(?) . Very elegant old hotel. Prepared by Governors there. Hall was really packed. Dr Hagelin and Dr Felix gave brilliant presentation. Maharishi told John to talk hard core physics. I want to say again the words used to introduce Dr Hagelin. Prof John Hagelin most distinguished quantum physicist. At pinnacle of elite physicists who have fulfilled Einsteins dream... His theory is most successful Unified Field theory to date. Also truly 1st scientist in world to apply this for the practical benefit of mankind. Can markedly decrease crime, conflict etc...invincible. (There was more which I didn't get down but which was really good) He moves freely around world to spread this knowledge. Following the Press Conference and Conference was beautiful effect in city. Reporters did nice piece on them and showed it in evening . Wanted to do an interview. So Raja Felix and wife Mona did this and it was shown on Monday and Tuesday TV. Shows 3 clips of interview speaking in Swiss German. Interview was 20 mins long. 1st clip speaks about young people forming group of fliers for nation 2nd clip Speaks about yogic flying and shows yogic flying demo tape. 3 rd clip Reconstruction of Zurich and other cities in Switz www.tlezueri.ch can sees full interview. In Zurich the news programmes are played over and over again. So this was played every hour for 24 hours. Found a venue of 4500 sqm to accom 1500 students for group flying . Looking for land in Switzerland, found a piece east of lake Neuchattel, 40 mins from Lausanne and Berne. Thought to create a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
In a message dated 3/19/06 4:12:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should the principal apply to all policies --for example, if you wantto reduce marlaria in Africa, go fly there with some mosquito nets --instead of promoting government policy to support such? (Note recentarticle on guy in Indonesia "doing it" -- changing the world one stepat a time.) And if you support tax cuts, you cut your own taxes by the amount you believe they should be cut! Wow! What a country! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Value of Striving and Seeking
You will receive everything you need when you stop asking for what you do not need. The very search for pleasure is the cause of pain. If you are seeking what is the truth about yourself, then realize that what you are seeking you already are that, in totality. The false believe in a so called mind seemingly creates an individual seeker with a false sense of separation from pure Awareness, just realize that thoughts are not the real you or your ever-present unchanging Reality. The pure essence or pure presence that is prior to all thoughts, it is that undeniable sense of Presence that is translated with the thought I AM. That ordinary sense of presence of livingness/Awareness is our Natural State or True Nature. It is always present right Here right Now, always unchanging, always untouched by suffering, always untouched by thoughts, untouched by birth or death. It is effortless, just a little noticing of the you or Awareness, which is always present prior to thoughts. It is so obvious that we have overlooked it for so long, looking for something new outside ourselves, because it is no-thing, yet it is the very substratum of our existence, it is the very livingness itself, the core of our Being. Nisargadatta Maharaj If consciousness is who we already are, then seeking is the very opposite of what is necessary! If consciousness is who we already are, seeking of any kind obscures our true nature. The moment a spiritual search begins, one unwittingly plays a game of hide and seek where he or she simultaneously plays both parts! In Advaita, seeking is patently absurd because it implies a future time of finding. If all that exists is oneness, how can there be a past or future? Past and future are concepts in the mind, while the present momentright here, right nowis all that truly is. If there is an opposite to Advaita, it is the act of seeking! James Braha Stop all delays, all seeking and all striving. Put down your concepts, ideas and beliefs. For one instant be still and directly encounter the silent unknown core of your being. In that instant Freedom will embrace you and reveal the Awakening that you are. Adyashanti If all there is is Consciousness, if there is only Consciousness, then why or for what are you still seeking? If there is only Consciousness then right now you must be That and every thing else that appears in and as awareness must also be That, including any sense of separate self. Any appearance of mundane, ordinary existence can be no less of Consciousness than any appearance of unconditional love, wholeness, bliss, stillness, silence or anything else. Does anything really need to be transcended, found or let go of? Clarity By Nathan Gill STOP Striving! Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Wayne: The common question is, Is the guru necessary? My answer is that there are no requirements set forth by Consciousness. Consciousness can do anything It wants within the manifestation. Seeking is a phenomenal process, and that's what's crucial to understand-seeking is a phenomenal process. It happens within phenomenality; the various progressions that occur are in phenomenality; the impulse is in phenomenality; and the final event which is the dissolution of the seeking, actually the dissolution of personal doership, is in phenomenality. All that happens is in phenomenality. The result of the process of seeking is only notionally a result, because what it reveals is what is there all the time anyway. So there is really no progress in the absolute sense. Yet within the phenomenal structure of seeking and the seeker, the guru may play a role. In fact, in the lives of many seekers the guru is a figure central to the seeking. For those who have found a guru, who have found their true guru, there is no greater phenomenal experience. Wayne Liquorman, Advaita Fellowship -- student of Ramesh Balsekar The end of the search of the one who is seeking is the end of the seeker - it is the end of the experience of seeker-seeking-sought. This does not mean the end (or death) of the human mechanism (body, mind, personality), but rather the end of the identification as a separate me. Misc. It is essential to come to the point where you DECIDE that enough is enough. You decide that the seeking is over. You have already closed the door to problems and now you also stop seeking. All leaks are gone. You just live here-now, accepting life as it is... and WHAT a build-up of energy... OSHO Stop! In the name of Love The Supremes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the
[FairfieldLife] Veggie subscription program
New Vegetable Subscription Program Offered Maharishi University of Management Organic FarmsSM and Maharishi Vedic City Organic Farms are joining forces to offer a new Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) program for the community and for selected cities in the Midwest. Limited subscriptions are now available for Spring, Summer, and Autumn 2006. The name of this new venture is Maharishi World Peace Vedic Organic Products CSA. Maharishi University of Management Organic Farms and Maharishi Vedic City Organic Farms are unique in the field of agriculture in Iowa. Both farms are USDA Certified Organic. Together they farm more than 104,000 square feet of greenhouses and more than 20 acres of field production of vegetables and fruit. These are not the commonly known hothouse operations that use hydroponics or chemicals. All produce is grown in soil that is nourished by compost, organic fertilizers, cover crops, and mined minerals. Only vegetarian materials are used in production -- no bone or blood meal, feathers or fish. Sound has been researched to have an influence on plants. Harsh music has a deleterious effect and classical music a better effect. But all these farm locations have the soothing and nourishing influence of Maharishi Gandharva VedaSM music, the ancient melodies of Nature, played 24 hours a day. These harmonious sounds enliven the natural intelligence of the plants. The fruit and vegetables are not only fresh -- they have the enlivening influence of Nature's intelligence to help their delicate and sequential unfoldment and they have the caring attention of farmers enlivening their own inner awareness through the technologies of Maharishi Consciousness- BasedSM Education, unique to Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture projects http://www.mvoai.org/intro.html Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) projects are very popular around the country and provide mutual benefit to the consumer and the farmer. A local CSA provides an opportunity for the consumer to have the freshest produce available. Produce bought at stores is generally 10-14 days old by the date you purchase it because the produce is picked, processed, and then shipped long distances. In a CSA, the consumer is providing the farmer a guaranteed purchase so that he can buy the seeds and grow the crops knowing that there is a market for his perishable produce. Both the growers and consumers mutually support one another and share the risks and benefits of food production. Members or shareholders of the farm or garden pay their membership fees in advance to cover the anticipated costs of the farm. In return, they receive shares in the farm's bounty throughout the growing season, as well as satisfaction gained from reconnecting to the land. Members also share in the risk that farming involves, including the possibility of restricted harvest of some crops due to unfavorable weather or pests. Those subscribing will receive a weekly box of certified organic vegetables picked fresh from the farms and greenhouses. Approximately 50 types of vegetables and herbs will be grown and provided over the course of the year. Each weekly box will include 12-16 vegetables of the season to feed a family of four. Half subscriptions are also available for singles or couples. Full subscriptions will cost $30 per week; half subscriptions will cost $18 per week. More information is listed below for the Spring, Summer, and Autumn options. For those anticipating being gone for part of the summer a special flexible option allows you to pick and choose the weeks you receive produce -- with the minimum being 15 weeks. This flex summer option is $32/week. Vegetable boxes may also be shipped to locations in the Midwest outside of Jefferson County via FedEx Ground. Boxes will be packed on Wednesday of each week and delivered to your door via FedEx Ground on Thursday. Below are the membership options we offer: Maharishi World Peace Vedic Organic Products CSA 2006 Dates and Prices · Spring Shares (5 weeks -- $150) May 18 - June 15 · Summer Shares (20 weeks -- $600) June 22 - November 2 · Autumn Shares (7 weeks -- $210) November 9 - December 21 · Annual Share (Spring, Summer, Autumn $900) May 18 - December 21 · Half Spring Share (5 weeks -- $90) May 18 - June 15 · Half Summer Share (20 weeks -- $360) June 22 - November 2 · Half Autumn Share (7 weeks -- $126) November 9 - December 21 · Half Annual Share (Spring, Summer, Autumn -- $540) May 18 - December 21 · 15-20 week Flex Summer Share ($32/week) June 22 - November 2 (15- week minimum) · Asian option -- prices are the same as above but with an emphasis on including Asian vegetables, including as available: Okra, Bok Choy, Bitter Melon, Chinese Cabbage, and a variety of Asia Greens. · For all above shares there is an additional option for the onion family crop that can be specified. Those outside of Fairfield, Iowa wishing to participate may join any
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Striving and Seeking
Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to SEEKERS of truth and liberation everywhere. FFL Masthead Thats perhaps the problem. A band of merry seekers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will receive everything you need when you stop asking for what you do not need. The very search for pleasure is the cause of pain. If you are seeking what is the truth about yourself, then realize that what you are seeking you already are that, in totality. The false believe in a so called mind seemingly creates an individual seeker with a false sense of separation from pure Awareness, just realize that thoughts are not the real you or your ever-present unchanging Reality. The pure essence or pure presence that is prior to all thoughts, it is that undeniable sense of Presence that is translated with the thought I AM. That ordinary sense of presence of livingness/Awareness is our Natural State or True Nature. It is always present right Here right Now, always unchanging, always untouched by suffering, always untouched by thoughts, untouched by birth or death. It is effortless, just a little noticing of the you or Awareness, which is always present prior to thoughts. It is so obvious that we have overlooked it for so long, looking for something new outside ourselves, because it is no-thing, yet it is the very substratum of our existence, it is the very livingness itself, the core of our Being. Nisargadatta Maharaj If consciousness is who we already are, then seeking is the very opposite of what is necessary! If consciousness is who we already are, seeking of any kind obscures our true nature. The moment a spiritual search begins, one unwittingly plays a game of hide and seek where he or she simultaneously plays both parts! In Advaita, seeking is patently absurd because it implies a future time of finding. If all that exists is oneness, how can there be a past or future? Past and future are concepts in the mind, while the present momentright here, right nowis all that truly is. If there is an opposite to Advaita, it is the act of seeking! James Braha Stop all delays, all seeking and all striving. Put down your concepts, ideas and beliefs. For one instant be still and directly encounter the silent unknown core of your being. In that instant Freedom will embrace you and reveal the Awakening that you are. Adyashanti If all there is is Consciousness, if there is only Consciousness, then why or for what are you still seeking? If there is only Consciousness then right now you must be That and every thing else that appears in and as awareness must also be That, including any sense of separate self. Any appearance of mundane, ordinary existence can be no less of Consciousness than any appearance of unconditional love, wholeness, bliss, stillness, silence or anything else. Does anything really need to be transcended, found or let go of? Clarity By Nathan Gill STOP Striving! Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Wayne: The common question is, Is the guru necessary? My answer is that there are no requirements set forth by Consciousness. Consciousness can do anything It wants within the manifestation. Seeking is a phenomenal process, and that's what's crucial to understand-seeking is a phenomenal process. It happens within phenomenality; the various progressions that occur are in phenomenality; the impulse is in phenomenality; and the final event which is the dissolution of the seeking, actually the dissolution of personal doership, is in phenomenality. All that happens is in phenomenality. The result of the process of seeking is only notionally a result, because what it reveals is what is there all the time anyway. So there is really no progress in the absolute sense. Yet within the phenomenal structure of seeking and the seeker, the guru may play a role. In fact, in the lives of many seekers the guru is a figure central to the seeking. For those who have found a guru, who have found their true guru, there is no greater phenomenal experience. Wayne Liquorman, Advaita Fellowship -- student of Ramesh Balsekar The end of the search of the one who is seeking is the end of the seeker - it is the end of the experience of seeker-seeking-sought. This does not mean the end (or death) of the human mechanism (body, mind, personality), but rather the end of the identification as a separate me. Misc. It is essential to come to the point where you DECIDE that enough is enough. You decide that the seeking is over. You have already closed the door to problems and now you also stop seeking. All leaks are gone. You just live here-now, accepting life as it is... and WHAT a build-up of energy... OSHO Stop! In the name of Love The Supremes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
About 25-30 people, at a guess, lining the edge of the town square, many holding up anti-war placards for passing motorists to see. I don't think there were any speeches. (I just drove by; I wasn't part of it.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anybody in Fairfield like to inform us, who are not there, how the Anti-war rally went? How many thousands and who the guest speakers were etc.? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TMO Trademark Lawsuit Mike Scozzari
I've heard third hand that the legal action against Mike has been refered to arbitration. I'm going to try and call Mike this week. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Does it follow then, in your view, that Krishna wrong to tell Arjuna to be at peace -- be without the three gunas? Should all soldiers be banned from meditation or prayer? Are you against all war? If there was a war that you supported, would you stop meditating because your peace would be counter productive to the war? Should one actively live the reality of everything they support? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/19/06 4:12:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should the principal apply to all policies --for example, if you want to reduce marlaria in Africa, go fly there with some mosquito nets -- instead of promoting government policy to support such? (Note recent article on guy in Indonesia doing it -- changing the world one step at a time.) And if you support tax cuts, you cut your own taxes by the amount you believe they should be cut! Wow! What a country! Or if you support eliminating the Bush income and estate tax cuts, you should send in the higher taxes. As one poster appears to hold, one should actively live the reality of everything they support. How many people here are agaisnt the Bush tax cuts? See, almost everyone. :) So cough up those extra tax dollars people. Else you are not living an authentic life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Should, should, should. Do you really know this to be true? The reality is, what is, is they are not. Isn't that so? How many other shoulds are you living in your life? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Does it follow then, in your view, that Krishna wrong to tell Arjuna to be at peace -- be without the three gunas? Should all soldiers be banned from meditation or prayer? Are you against all war? If there was a war that you supported, would you stop meditating because your peace would be counter productive to the war? Should one actively live the reality of everything they support? not interested in answering your questions. Sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Should, should, should. Do you really know this to be true? The reality is, what is, is they are not. Isn't that so? How many other shoulds are you living in your life? Again, not interested in answering your questions. Sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). Not equivalent. We're short on recruits, and the troops in Iraq are exhausted. Even a single new recruit helps the war effort a little. One single individual going to jail in protest is not going to impede the war effort in the slightest. Those who are pro-war can be successful directly in proportion to their numbers if they enlist. Those who are antiwar can be successful *only* if their numbers are massive (e.g., enough to elect an antiwar president). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Does it follow then, in your view, that Krishna wrong to tell Arjuna to be at peace -- be without the three gunas? Should all soldiers be banned from meditation or prayer? Are you against all war? If there was a war that you supported, would you stop meditating because your peace would be counter productive to the war? Should one actively live the reality of everything they support? not interested in answering your questions. Sorry. Pehaps because your shoulds end in contradiction, and are uncomfrotable for you to face. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Anti war Rally draws thousands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Those pro-war shouldn't waste their time protesting. They should en masse head for the nearest recruiting station and enlist, in the infantry. Thats an interesting perspective. Do you feel that the underlying principal should apply to all wars, or just this one? Should the reverse be true: if you are against the war, should one block troop trains and planes, and be willing to go to jail to stop the war? (In vietnam era, many felt this was true). snip The reverse of war is peace. If we are against war, we should work continuously to create peace within ourselves. If we are for war, we should support war by actively waging it. Live the reality of peace, or live the reality of war. Should, should, should. Do you really know this to be true? The reality is, what is, is they are not. Isn't that so? How many other shoulds are you living in your life? Again, not interested in answering your questions. Sorry. Again, pehaps because your shoulds end in contradiction, and are uncomfrotable for you to face. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
