[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The first volume of the Collected Papers was published in 1975, I believe, and there was a section of studies on the TM-Sidhis, including Yogic Flying, including EEG. Oh, I really doubt that research on flying was published in 1975. It just doesn't fit the timeline of how things unfolded. Anyone have copy of that 1975 edition? It's another of Judy's made-up facts. No siddhis courses had ever been given in 1975, as I remember. They may have published an edition of the Collected Papers in that year, but to claim that this edition contained studies on something that Maharishi hadn't even invented yet is stretching prescience pretty thin. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: From David From: David Orme-Johnson davidoj@ To: 'John Theobald' JohnTheobald@ Subject: RE: Question on EEG coherence Date: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:46 PM This study was done in the very early days before vigorous hoping, and the subject was sitting still. I find this statement quite odd. I was on the first Gov course when the flying was first done. Hopping was quite vigorous and vocal for many / most right from the very start. I flew in a number of different groups in the subsequent two years -- europe, east coast, west coast (US) -- lots of vigorous hopping. For some /many, there may have been 1-2 minutes of sitting relatively still before much more vigorous stuff happened. And some -- a few -- sat still most of the session. But to characterize the early days, in constrast an implied latter days, as before vigorous hopping, doesn't fit my experience at all. Unless David is referring to flying experiments (if they existed) in 1975 or perhaps early 76. But I doubt eegs were being done then. The first volume of the Collected Papers was published in 1975, I believe, and there was a section of studies on the TM-Sidhis, including Yogic Flying, including EEG. Most of the researchis from that time, but the last section was added just before publication. A whole 2 papers and the yogic flying brochure on the very last double-page. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ??? chart
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Do you see where there's a 10-minute period of actual hopping shown on the charts at the URL? I can't find what John is talking about. The original brochure chart in the very back of CP Vol I shows that. It's the least tightly worded one that I've seen, which makes me suspect it was wrtten by MMY directly to reflect his beliefs about what was going on, rather than what the charts actually show. I don't suppose if I asked you a third time, I could get you to quote what it says? It's a two-page brochure. On the left is a picture of 3 guys in the air. A line runs along the top with 3 sets of arrows. One pointing down to the photo, one down to an EEG cospar graph of an entire [early version of the] TM-Sidhis program, including 15 minutes of Yogic Flying, and one down to a chart plotting overall EEG coherence and heart rate vs time that is centered on the peak of the EEG chart with the word lift at the peak. There's three labels associated with the photo and two charts. One says EEG Brainwave Coherence and 2 say Maximum coherence during flying. The photo has the caption They're up in the air--first stage of flying. There's a bunch of photos at the bottom with the captions Governors of the A of E in training in Switzerland and They're all up in the air, inviting everyone who still has their feet on the ground... quoting MMY. The text in the middle, which is about half of the entire brochure, doesn't mention flying or hopping or anything else (I was wrong about this part sorry and you were correct to ask for clarification). It just goes on and on about maximum coherence, optimal brain functioning, dawn of the Age of Englightenment, etc. Aside from not mentioning hopping, I wouldn't call it deceptive. Misleading, perhaps, but MMY assumed that floating was just around the corner, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Want to try for three strikes, Curtis? Another really interesting thing is that with all this idiotic hair-splitting and nit-picking in an attempt to smear O-J and co., the apparent fact that EEG coherence rises sharply right before liftoff is completely ignored. Just spoke to Fred Travis (we're doing the animation project piecemeal so I don't freak out). Attaboy! On the topic of EEG and Yogic Flying, he says he did part of his PhD research on the subject and that he examined the EEG of athletic hopping and Yogic Flying hopping during the 6 seconds before someone actually started hopping about. In the last 2 seconds, just before the Yogic Fliers hopped (and you can't measure anything past that point, he agrees), EEG coherence in ALL parts of the brain in all frequencies went way up. Regardless of the ambiguities and inaccuracies of the advertising/brochures/posters, the main point, that practice of the Yogic Flying sutra induces high levels of EEG coherence in all frequencies in all parts of the brain, is accurate, according to Fred's research and the other stuff that they've published. What this means is unclear, though Fred agreed that the TM-Sidhis program is meant to move one towards Unity. And all the nitwit carping from the bitter-enders here is completely irrelevant. How funny that these nonsensical accusations come from those who pride themselves on their logic and rationality, in purported contrast to the TMers. Translation: We're better than you are because we believe what we were told to believe and you don't. :-) Unlike yourself, who knows what you knows, and anyone who thinks differently is stupid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
Is David hiding the good research under a shell and we have to figure out which one it is under? I know how that game works too well to play. I am not talking about all the fantastic, super-scientific research that is not on the chart. I am talking about the deceptive chart and his admission that it is a fabrication at http://www.maharishi.org/sidhi/yogic_flying.html That chart is logically, and by his own admission, impossible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Snip Making a poster that gives the appearance of the eventual outcome of the Yogic FLying technique (at least in MMY's belief) is a subtle way of establishing in the mind the goal of the technique, which is anecessary part of the process of the technique, from what MMY has said. snip That was really funny! You are being satirical about how a true believer would try to cover up a blatant misuse of science to attempt to deceive people right? Establishing in the mind the goal, that was your best line! Nope. Deadly serious. As a Unitarian minister once commented about MMY's loose use of language about Yogic Flying in his world-wide publicity stunts and ads and so on: he's trying to change the global paradigm. People can't fly not just because of their own state of conscioiusness and expectations, but because of the consciousness and expectations of the entire world, or such appears to be MMY's belief: The Laws of Nature [devas] active in the world are very stupid and need to be woken up. In other words, if the technique I sell for thousands of dollars fails to work as described, it's not my fault, it's your fault and the world's fault. Well, actually, it would be the devas' fault. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The first volume of the Collected Papers was published in 1975, I believe, and there was a section of studies on the TM-Sidhis, including Yogic Flying, including EEG. Most of the researchis from that time, but the last section was added just before publication. A whole 2 papers and the yogic flying brochure on the very last double-page. I had thought the first volume's publication date was 1975, but I hadn't remembered the stuff on the TM-Sidhis was a last-minute addition. Could that have been a second, updated edition of the first volume that came out later? (Doesn't matter with regard to the date of the charts; I'm just trying to figure out why I thought the original pub date was 1975.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2006, at 6:03 AM, sparaig wrote: snip Are you claiiming that the Dali Lama didn't send Benson to look at the best practitioners that he was aware of? IIRC the authorization was only for novices. For more advanced practitioners it would violate their vows. Those with the proper initations into inner tantra can receive permission to observe some of the more accessible floaters for inspiration in their own practice. In other words, yes. So the question becomes, why on earth would the Dalai Lama have sent Benson to look at people he knew would be novices? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Is David hiding the good research under a shell and we have to figure out which one it is under? I know how that game works too well to play. I am not talking about all the fantastic, super-scientific research that is not on the chart. I am talking about the deceptive chart and his admission that it is a fabrication at http://www.maharishi.org/sidhi/yogic_flying.html That chart is logically, and by his own admission, impossible. And Curtis *still* doesn't get that this is completely irrelevant to anything of significance. One more time: Nobody is going to be persuaded to take the TM-Sidhis course because they believe, incorrectly, that EEG coherence has been shown to continues during hopping. The only relevant question is whether the claimed EEG coherence during flying-sutra practice at a point when it *can* be measured is valid. I'm going to give the bitter-enders an out here, in the hope that it's not impossible to have a more rational discussion. None of them has brought this point up, so I doubt this has ever occurred to them; it's a freebie: There's one respect in which the apparent suggestion that EEG coherence can be shown to continue during hopping--which everyone agrees isn't possible, including O-J--is relevant: If the researchers were willing to be misleading on this point, even though it's itself irrelevant, might they also have been willing to fudge the actual EEG data they *were* able to measure? OK, guys, don't say I never did anything for you. But boy, when your debating opponents have to hand you legitimate points so you have something reasonable to argue with, you aren't in such great shape. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2006, at 10:51 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope someone in the group was in the room with MMY when this decision was made, and can describe what went down with this chart. What I had heard while at MIU, was that MMY asked for the most coherent band of EEG data to be associated with flying in the exact picture of EEG that is on that chart. When they challenged him on it because it could not be measured then and everybody would know it, he just said we know that is when maximum coherence occurs so just show it. Anyone want to confirm or deny who was actually in the room? Figures, more fabricated research. No real surprise there. Certainly no surprise that Vaj doesn't get that this is supremely irrelevant. Or pretends not to get it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ??? chart
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen any other chart of the same process which looked basically different, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Well, the chart at the URL you provided is quite a bit different from the chart you described to O-J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: The chart I'm refering to is also in the collected papers, a blue book, and is similar to the chart on the rightof the linked page which shows (from the bottom up, the Y axis marked as time) the period of meditation showing coherence in the brainwave frequency range from about 7-8 cycles downward to 1 or 2 cycles this coherence present through the whole range. Then during the next period (sutras) it shows coherence in a narrower band in the alpha range about 6-9 cps. Then it shows the period of flying with coherence present from alpha upwards into beta or the normal waking brainwave frequency. If this is accurate it would tend to show a process across the entire time framework of displaying brainwave coherence starting a deeper levels and eventually bringing it to the surface of the waking state while maintaining coherence. Probably a good thing to do. What I'm trying to find out is if the data is accurately reflecting this process. Thanks, John. That *sounds* right. Does it make sense to you that this would be a chart from the early days before anybody was actually hopping? Is this the chart O-J was referring to in his response to your email? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying David OJ explanation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Good point. Of course none of this matters to people who do the practice and like it. The larger question of what this brain activity means is pretty wide opened from what I understand. TM has taken a position of advocacy here. Other scientists may be more cautious. I think a point that many of the TBs miss is that they've been *told* that coherence in the brain actually means something, and means something good is happening. The problem with TM science is that the researchers set out to find something that proves TM or the siddhis are good. They *start* with an assumption, and then they try to find something -- anything -- that supports that assumption. So they hook a few people up and they find some things they call coherence. And because they *are* looking for soemthing -- anything -- they declare coherence to be important. They *have* to find *something*, otherwise they won't get any strokes from Maharishi. And the whole *point* of performing the research is to get strokes from Maharishi. These are *not* scientists. They are religious fanatics hoping to get a little attention from the teacher they consider enlightened. And the way you get strokes from this teacher is to find things that he can use to sell his theories to the world. If it hadn't been coherence, it would have been soemthing else -- enhanced Beta, Gamma waves that looked unusual, something. They *had* to find some- thing, and so they did. But it's fascinating to me that the people reading this research just buy it hook, line, and sinker. Because they *have* to find something, too. They've been told that it's there, by the teacher they consider enlightened. Therefore it's there. Done deal. It *has* to be there, or they might have been wasting their time all these years... What you say is certainly true-ish, but it applies to the Buddhist meditation researchers as well, with the added bit that they don't even read the research that exists in the field. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BWC -- a concept of the TMO and/or Mainstream Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I am solely addressing the issue recent posts raised in my mind of how widespread is the term and concept 'brain-wave coherence' (BWC) used by scientists not associated with the TMO. My preferred method, was to start with a search 'brain-wave coherence' to see who the leading users are. http://www.google.com/search?q=brain-wave +coherencestart=0ie=utf-8oe=utf-8client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en- US:official produced 18 separate sites on the first two pages of links. 12 of the first 13 were TM related, as were 13 of these 18 -- The five non-TMo-related sites were One site was a discussion group blurb: I have some acquaintance with EEG signal processing, brainwave coherence analysis, and attempts to correlate these to anything like cognitive states or mental command. I believe it's possible in theory, and maybe in commercial practice, but I'm unaware of ANY (non-classified anyway) success stories. One to two dimensions of control can relatively easily be obtained from EEG. 2 vendors of home bio-feedback equipment 1 music product 1 Bio-feedback doctor These last four, I classify as new-age sites. None were reflecting mainstream scientists doing research, publishing papers, speaking at conferences,etc. or other things reflecting that the term BWC was a prominent or even existing theme or concept outside the TMO or related endeavors. My preliminary conclusion from this search is that in popular mainstream areas (not scientific papers) BWC has been primarily championed by the TMO. So I tried a search of scientific journals. My preliminary sense in reviewing these articles s that BWC in the scientific commnuty may have several quantitiative meanings, e.g. multidimensional directed coherence (see below) which, it is unknown (by me) at this point if these methodologies of measurement / definitional concepts etc of BWC are the same,similar or distinct different from those employed by the TMO 30 years ago. Second, some articles appear to point to cohenrence be mundane and normal -- even in monkeys, not a big deal in itself. Third, there are only several, but not a majority of articles, on how great BWC is, and how it improves human performance or is beneficial in some way. (Counter to what I would have expected if the scientific community viewed BWC with the same grandeur as the TMO.) Doesn't anyone ever read what I write. Um, all 67,984 posts per week? Um, not always. I mentioned the article in Scientific American a week or two ago You are so worthy for doing so. Yes I am. that says explicitly that EEG coherence is correlated with evolutionary scale: the higher a creature is, the more likely it is to show intelligent behavior or somesuch. And this is based on a series of studies on primates? or some unnamed guy a SA's speculation? If the former, what are the article cites. Based on the work of the late Theodore Bullock, http://myprofile.cos.com/bullockt82s Humans show the highest levels of EEG coherence, primates and dolphins (I assume) show thenext highest. Studies? or speculation. Basically part of the work of the last 10 years of his life judging by his publications. What form of BWC? Multi-dimensiona, etc? Was the same form used for all primates in all these alleged studies. And why did you go with google scholar? Um because I was on the google site at the time. Is there something inherently inferior with GS? If you want refereed scientific journal references, use pubmed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=searchDB=pubmed search term: eeg coherence 1081 references starting in 1968 and moving forward. I found 83 for BWC. Showing BWC in sleep. And something related to smoking crack cocaine. Hoepfully it doesn't indicate crack increases BWC. Obviously brainwave coherence isn't the common scientific term. EEG coherence, on the other hand, is... hint hint... BTW, EEG coherence can imply pathological conditions, depending. Epilepsy involves EEG coherence, for instance. However, that doesn't mean that all TMers are epileptic since the kind of coherence and its location is radically different than what is found in TM. And TMs location is a priori good? or, has research shown that the TM areas are special and a BFD? The EEG locations are correlated with reports of pure consciousness. Is that good or not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design.
