[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Ok, because I have some free time this afternoon, I'm going to take advantage of that fact and riff, Curtis-style or Edg-style, on my feelings about those of the Indian persuasion and why I feel that there is a *great deal* of racism in their culture. First, a necessary definition. When I use the word 'racism' in past posts or this one, I am *including* in that definition *any* support of or justification of the Hindu caste system. I *define* the caste sys- tem as a form of racism, which I further define as the systematic suppression of one social or racial or religious class by those who consider themselves better or more highly evolved or more privileged or more worthy than they are. The caste system just manages this racism without the luxury of being able to recognize those they wish to suppress visually, by their physical or racial characteristics. Second, unlike many of you here, I have never been to India, or wanted to go. The place just doesn't appeal to me. So my experience with Indians is limited to daily interactions with *expatriate* Indians -- in the United States and in Europe. That said, in those environments I have interacted on a pretty much daily basis with *hundreds* of Indian nationals of various religions and, if Hindu, of various castes. About the only thing these folks had in common was having come from India and being computer programmers. So that's the subset of Indians I am familiar with. snip So shoot me. Hang on, I'm reloading... Pardon me for saying, but you are so full of it in this case, it spills out your mouth. And if you repeat that quote of mine out of context where I responded to Curtis saying that I wasn't insulting him, you are mistaken this time. (For a writer you have such a poor understanding of context, it boggles the mind.) I *am* insulting you, or more precisely, I am insulting your racist attitude against Indians from India. First, there are nearly a billion people in India, and a far greater percentage of the population here in the Bay Area is Indian vs. in New York or France. To extrapolate your opinion of these billion people based on your racist views of a few hundred is unforgivable. I find Indians here in the Bay Area to be far from the churlish, spiteful and arrogant individuals you describe. They tend to be as well educated, personable and as well rounded as anyone else I know. And unfailingly polite. And this is true whether or not they have just arrived here, or been here for years. Same goes with the Indians I interact with in India, in business meetings. Are they *better* or worse as a class of people than anyone else? Can't say. Haven't met all one billion of them. A racist, like you, is someone who will extrapolate the worst about a group of people based on carefully selected experiences and observations. Hence those who call black people and Mexicans lazy. You are no better. Just another member of the KKK in my book. Nothing cool or spiritual about that. Just deeply ignorant. Your ignorance of the caste system makes me blanch, too, sounding to me most like a fat cat Republican who declares all unions to be bad because they have been associated with corruption. The caste system in India is a system whereby society is organized according to its dharma. Does it work perfectly today? No. Does any other social convention? No. Another example of your racism. Racism is a byproduct of ignorance, which you have displayed by having interacted with select groups of Indians, formed an opinion of the other billion, and now declare that you would not go to India because of your racist opinions. You are one Ugly American. But guess who here would be the first to raise an outcry if someone else had made unflattering remarks about the population of a country on the basis of knowing a few expatriates in a very highly specialized profession?
[FairfieldLife] Re: immortality, from incoherence?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6599041.stm By contrast, MMY is sounding increasingly much older than his years. So much so that lately on Maharishi Channel only a picture of him appears as he speaks and he sounds as if he's on his last legs, voice croaking and memory failing. Or is he? Don't know what Iggy Pop looks sounds like now, by comparison. Anyone does? Anyway, both are immortal.. so far.. Meanwhile, Jack Lalanne is in his 92nd year, swimming vigorously in his pool everyday and preaching the values of good old nutrition and fitness, sounding sharp and looking great. You don't have to be old at 92 if you put in the sweat equity of proper lifestyle and exercise. http://www.jacklalanne.com/datebook.html
[FairfieldLife] status of women in Global Country
All the leaders in the Movement now are men - unlike the early days when there were as many female initiators. No female Raja equivalents are in prominence - except as Raja companions, described as mothers of a domain. Vedic ideas about the role of women were based on a pre- industrial society more in tune with the Taliban ideal.. So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselvesgaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?rt=117761870716553626 Nobody seems bothered - strange...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, Nice writing, but that was definitely not an Edg-style piece -- ain't no one can do my thang -- As if anyone would want to. :-) And I think the caste system is a wonderful concept for social structure!! If only it worked! I think it sucks even on paper. We must agree to disagree on this. The caste system was invented to keep the currently ruling classes (and their kids after them) in power, and the rest of the people doing their bidding. End of story. Any religious or spiritual explanation for it came afterwards, as a justification. I started out as an elementary special education teacher 40 years ago, and I'll tell you this: the least endowed kid had as much emotional investment in life, had as many hopes and dreams and plans, had as big a passion to meet destiny -- as EVERYONE I'VE EVER MET. Yet, they needed a special educational structure to thrive and grow. I would say instead that the teachers needed more flexibility, and the ability to deal with kids one on one, to do whatever was necessary to reach them. Instead, what ususally happens is that those kids who don't respond to the shitty educational status quo they are fed are deemed challenged, and stuck with that epithet the rest of their lives, whereas in reality it's the teachers who are challenged for having so little imagination. When a higher caste person looks upon any lesser caste and does not recognize this heroism, then that person, in fact, is failing to rise up to the responsibilities of his caste and is sinning -- sinning egregiously. It's not the caste system. It's the caste system. When a higher caste person looks upon a person of lower caste and sees only a victim, they are using the system *as it was designed to be used*. Don't blame the caste system. I blame the caste system; it's an inhumane system designed by quasi-humans devoid of either seeing or compassion. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Better to drop the subject right here...you aren't going to like the things I have to say about systematized forms of racism and oppression such as the Hindu caste system, much less the people who justify them...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq, Nice writing, but that was definitely not an Edg-style piece -- ain't no one can do my thang -- As if anyone would want to. :-) And I think the caste system is a wonderful concept for social structure!! If only it worked! I think it sucks even on paper. We must agree to disagree on this. The caste system was invented to keep the currently ruling classes (and their kids after them) in power, and the rest of the people doing their bidding. End of story. Any religious or spiritual explanation for it came afterwards, as a justification. I started out as an elementary special education teacher 40 years ago, and I'll tell you this: the least endowed kid had as much emotional investment in life, had as many hopes and dreams and plans, had as big a passion to meet destiny -- as EVERYONE I'VE EVER MET. Yet, they needed a special educational structure to thrive and grow. I would say instead that the teachers needed more flexibility, and the ability to deal with kids one on one, to do whatever was necessary to reach them. Instead, what ususally happens is that those kids who don't respond to the shitty educational status quo they are fed are deemed challenged, and stuck with that epithet the rest of their lives, whereas in reality it's the teachers who are challenged for having so little imagination. When a higher caste person looks upon any lesser caste and does not recognize this heroism, then that person, in fact, is failing to rise up to the responsibilities of his caste and is sinning -- sinning egregiously. It's not the caste system. It's the caste system. When a higher caste person looks upon a person of lower caste and sees only a victim, they are using the system *as it was designed to be used*. Don't blame the caste system. I blame the caste system; it's an inhumane system designed by quasi-humans devoid of either seeing or compassion. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Better to drop the subject right here...you aren't going to like the things I have to say about systematized forms of racism and oppression such as the Hindu caste system, much less the people who justify them... How about this; the americans are fast becoming a pariacaste in international affairs !
[FairfieldLife] Heaven On Earth
A day in Heaven tends to start with a chocolate a la taza (essentially a dark chocolate pudding so thick that the spoon stands up in it) and churros from Churrateria Charlie's. M...filling and full of all those essential vitamins and nutrients that one can only get from organic food sources like chocolate and donuts. :-) I am told by locals that this breakfast is essentially a type of rehabilitation for the body and the soul, occasioned by too much late-night partying the night before. Because the bars and nightclubs stay open so late, many are stopping in here for their rehab breakfast before even going home. Very different from French culture, and that's a good thing; change is good. So what can I tell you about the north of Spain, having been here only a few days? Well, not much. Blondes are rare, and most of the lighter hair colors you see obviously came out of a bottle. But that's Ok with me, because I was never a big fan of blondes other than the natural Scandi- navian sort anyway. The younger women here tend to be more attractive than the older ones; a big contrast to France. Another contrast is that Spanish culture is lived more on the streets and in cafes than is French culture (if you can believe that), and that suits me just fine, because a large part of my life is spent in cafes. Also, you tend to hear more languages spoken around you here than in France -- the most frequent being Catalan, the next Spanish, then French, then English, and then a smattering of Dutch, Swedish, German, Basque, Japanese, and whatever. I guess the most interesting thing, from a spiritual point of view (FFL *is* a spiritual group and this is a post about Heaven, after all) is the change that has taken place in Spain since I was last here. That was when I was 15, when Spain was in the heights (or depths, as it turns out) of the Franco era. My memories of Spain from that time center around the color black. The streets were full of women and men dressed completely in black, and with faces that made you wonder whether a smile had ever been allowed to dance across those faces. Back in 1960, there were an equal number of Guardia Civil storm troopers on the streets, equally dressed in black from head to toe, their faces exhibiting the same lifelong smilelessness, their well-pressed outfits accessorized by the seemingly obligatory machine gun. Not a happy place. Based on that early experience, I've never been exactly tempted to return. Until recently, that is, when friends I trust spent some time down here and came back raving about the place and its people. So I had to check it out, and am pleased to report that all of that Franco-era stuff has been relegated to the same dark corner of history that they swept the Inquisition into when *its* time was past. The people are -- on the whole -- happy, outgoing, and exceedingly friendly, FAR more friendly to strangers than their French counterparts 200 kilometers to the north. Just judging from posters on the walls, there is a strong interest here in yoga, meditation, and Things New Age, again a striking contrast to France. The air quality in Barcelona limited my stay there to a couple of cough-filled days. The architecture is wonderful, as is the liveliness of the culture, but man!...I've seen and breathed cleaner air in Los Angeles. So I've gravitated to Sitges, a beach town about half an hour south by commuter train or car. All the difference in the world. The constant ocean breeze keeps the air clean, and I'm told that this particular town had a rep for being full of outlaws and artistic types even back in the repressive Franco era, which to me is a really telling indication of the general vibe of the place and the nature of its power-placeness. The most spiritual thing I've seen here so far? Well, that was this morning. It was raining for a short while and, as I was walking along the beach, I came across an old man who was obviously Down On His Luck, sleeping in the middle of the sidewalk, getting wet. As I walked past, two modern Guardia Civil troopers, dressed in *non*-black baggy uniforms (baggy uniforms are important -- one of Uncle Tantra's laws of the universe is that you simply cannot be a Fascist in a baggy uniform; you need sharp creases and jack boots to be a good Fascist) walked up to him, woke him, and helped him to the shelter of a nearby tree, where he wouldn't get so wet. Then they said Bon Dia to him in Catalan, and left. Then I logged into Fairfield Life and found a couple of people still clinging to their idealized notions of what the caste system is all about and how fair and essentially highly evolved it is. Big contrast, spiritually. For me, that subject (the Hindu caste system) is now as closed as a subject can be...I want nothing more to do with discussing it, or with the people who feel that they can somehow come up with a justification for it. May they have as happy and
[FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Hi, Came across this on nonduality.com/perfect_brilliant_stillness.htm Does anybody here know Suzanne's story( short ) first hand? Thanks, amarnath But in another sense it made the impact greater, and without preparation the body/mind was thrown into a kind of chaos. For this reason I find Suzanne Segal's account quite poignant; there is a deep appreciation of what she went through. Although in a sense she had more prepara-tion than in my case, having trained in Transcendental Meditation with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, still it did not seem to have provided her with the necessary parameters to comprehend the awakening when it happened. Perhaps even more significantly, she was not provided with any meaningful support after it occurred, and spent the next twelve years with psychotherapists engaged in an all-out effort to pathologize the emptiness of personal self in an effort to get rid of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip And I think the caste system is a wonderful concept for social structure!! If only it worked! I think it sucks even on paper. We must agree to disagree on this. The caste system was invented to keep the currently ruling classes (and their kids after them) in power, and the rest of the people doing their bidding. End of story. Any religious or spiritual explanation for it came afterwards, as a justification. Given that there is no consensus among scholars as to how and why the caste system originated, should we assume your certainty on these points comes from a past-life recollection of being in attendance at its invention?
Re: [FairfieldLife] status of women in Global Country
Problem with this is, historically, the percentage of sidhas who have gotten married is probably less than ten percent of the percentage for society in general, and the percentage of married sidhas who have had children may be well less than ten percent of all married sidhas. That's historically. Nowadays, most sidha women are in their 50s. --- claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the leaders in the Movement now are men - unlike the early days when there were as many female initiators. No female Raja equivalents are in prominence - except as Raja companions, described as mothers of a domain. Vedic ideas about the role of women were based on a pre- industrial society more in tune with the Taliban ideal.. So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselvesgaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?rt=117761870716553626 Nobody seems bothered - strange... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
Turq, Thanks for allowing us to disagree. It'd be silly for me to invest in wanting that you think what I think, cuz, hey, how could I possibly know what you really think such that I could have a certainty about that? Where's my diagnostic tools for that kind of work? Heck, inside my mind, only me being involved, if I had the same thought twice in a row, how could I even prove those two thoughts were identical except that, yep, yet a third thought must come in and confirm that that is the case, and now we've got this outsider thought who arrives after the fact claiming to know about the previous two thoughts, indeed, even to the extent of being an expert. Sigh.. Mantra, mantra, mantra, mantra -- all identical, right? Or, if you prefer, let's say that they're all slightly different, right? WELL WHAT MAKES ME SO DAMNED SURE? That's the area in which I love to play. What functionality of my mind can produce that certainty despite my ego being completely out of that decision loop, because the decision that identical thoughts occurred is done by the extraordinarily subtle intellect churning out core memes for which the cortex then fashions a verbal gift wrapping, and voila! a thought occurs to the ego. Something like that -- ask Patanjali, cuz, you know, that I don't know, not really, jack or even jack's excrement about this. Or, wait, how could you know that I don't know when I've just made the point that tools for such diagnosis are non-existent in the lives of most of us? Never mind! But I digress. The subject was caste system. Oh, it's being used for every manner of evil. Wives must burn themselves to death. Wives are returned-to-sender or killed when their dowries run out. Any group of men in a village can call a woman an adulterer and kill her on the spot, and no one will report anything to the authorities -- be as mum about what really happened as, well the MUM course office folks can be mummish. We don't know what happened, the sun was in our eyes. Yeah, evil. No doubt. And, gawd, these are the folks who namaste you every other nee-nee-na-na-no-nosecond. Go figure, no, wait, that'll make my head hurt. But Turq, Turq, Turq, can you really say that it's the caste system that CAUSES THIS? I mean, you and causality are not bosom buddies as far as I can tell -- where's traction for Maya? It's all the Absolute's fizz, right? Just synchrony not causality, right? Am I misinterpreting you on that issue? And Turq, do you really think that the small potentates of the various Soviet territories were LESS evil in their doings? Do you think that the Popes of the past haven't lifted the robes of nuns, that Sufi whirlers didn't swing some slave girl off into the bushes, that the witches drowned in New England were guilty? I cannot stratify these evils, cannot order them into a hierarchy. They're all on the same level. 50,000,000 million folks died in WWII -- Hitler's evil use of Germanic tribalism's DNA deep addiction to racial purity. Pol Pot used communism. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people. Red-blooded Americans killed the Native Americans for what? -- democracy -- we voted to kill the Indians, so it's okay. Every killer on this list thought he was doing a good thing!! And men kill polar bears who kill these lovable seals who kill loveable penguins who kill loveable, delicate, ever so silent fishys or gobble amazingly intelligent krill who slobber down miraculous microorganisms who absorb the loveliest of carbon based molecules who have commandeered the uses of devic quark forces that consume the Absolute's black hole mystic effervescences. The caste system is just another way to organize the mayhem. In theory, it's works pretty good during Sat Yugahee hee. Now, don't get me wrong here. The Vedic delineations of castes make the Nazis look childish with their notions of purity -- step aside Hitler, let a Brahmin class mind tell you about categorizing the milch kind. I mean, would Hitler ever had come up with If you step over a rope tied to a calf's neck, you have sinned. Talk about exactitude. Mosaic law, eat your heart out. In India, they've worked on this for 5 frickin thousand years and didn't have NASCAR or American Idol to distract them. Maybe they obsessively watch Amma Idolatry, but what do I know -- is that where Sanjaya got his start? Come on, Turq, can you overcome your upbringing when those code jockies spewed their racism? I've had Arab friends who sent shivers up my back with some of their righteous thoughts about smoking opium and wife swapping. I've seen cops abusing ordinary folks on the streets of Taipei with a ferocity that would have CNN doing a 24/7 coverage of if it had occurred in America. I've seen the look in a French cab driver's eyes when my first words to him were English. I've seen the dead-eyed stare of the zombies in the course office. I've seen my own father spanking me as a 10 year old. All these
Re: [FairfieldLife] EMF Protection
I bought a few of the cheap ones from a friend and they didn't seem to do anything. I've heard stories of their running out of effectiveness after a while, too. I bought a Quantum Life OfficeClear and noticed enough of a nice feeling from it that I bought a second one. The OfficeClear was only 60 dollars more than the home unit and covers like twice the area. I called the company and talked to the owner a few times and got his recommendations. By the way, I asked if he used to be in ff, and he said yes and was surprised how I guessed that, but seemed to have no interest in discussing ff or TM. I bought from Promolife. The reasons to buy from them are: excellent service always, an owner who will spend time with you on the phone answering questions, better prices, free shipping, and they usually send an email coupon for 5 to 10 dollars off of your next order. The discount deends on the order amount. I think it's 10 dollres if the next order is above 99 dollars or so. http://www.promolife.com/emf-protection/home-office-neutralizers/quantum-life-office-clear/prod_915.html --- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, There are various EMF protection devices on the market, such at the Q-link pendants/bracelets, and ClearWave clocks, the Quantum products of various types. Has anyone here used any of these products and clearly noticed a difference in how they felt? I work for umpteen hours at a computer, dual monitors and all the other electronic devices around here, and often feel frazzled and someone recommended some of these products, none of which are cheap. I'm willing to buy if warranted but how does one separate the hype from the reality? Perhaps personal testimonials would be a good place to start?! Ken To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Neurotheology
Slate has two articles on a subject that the TMO should be the leading expert/researcher in but, of course, is deservedly considered a joke and don't even warrant a mention: http://www.slate.com/id/2165026/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
Excellent report from my life-identity theft hijacker! So many fantastic details. I can't match the sensory richness in my own post, so I will take it in another direction but still under the heading of keep'n it real. I had a long day playing music outside on the boardwalk in Old Town yesterday. Today is more gorgeous so I am my way out again this morning. It was 6 hours of interacting with people from all over the world who flock to this charming spot on the Potomac. I could describe the kid's enthusiasm or even just focus on the smirky chicks strolling by with their Sita-like sidelong glances... But all the experiences of the day got trumped at the last minute. Having played so long, and sung without a mike, my whole body was done done done as I packed up. My fingers start to lock up (I have a long ice down ritual after performing so long to preserve my hands for the next day), my voice is slightly raspy, my lips are raw from harmonica runs, and my diaphragm and intercostal muscles are spent from pushing my voice and harp above the ambient noise. This causes a deep but satisfying fatigue inside. My body is done, spent at the core. Only the mental and emotional high of the day's performances carry me home. These details are necessary to understand why I felt some trepidation when I was approached, after putting away my guitar and starting to break down my drum set, by a slightly intoxicated young man with a high and tight haircut. I had already stopped responding to the people walking by asking where's the music? as if I hadn't been cranking it out for 6 hours already and was just slacking on my job. He started with sir, (when did I become a sir? I forget when it started but by now it is all I hear from men his age!) It also gave me the military heads-up because they are usually unfailingly polite to their elders. (I'm not dropping the quotes till my head is all gray dammit) It all ran together just like this: Sir, I know you are going home but I just spent the evening with my girlfriend who I love more than anything in the world and we are going off to Iraq in two months and is there any way you can play us a love song I only have $20 left because we just ate at a fancy restaurant and it would mean so much for us to be able to dance to a love song I come from Tennessee and her name is Michelle and I love her more than anything in this world could you maybe please play us one song sir so we can dance together tonight... Picks were back on, harp was on the rack, steel guitar was ringing from my slide as I launched into a tune from Blind Willie Mctell. Two young couples (all four were being deployed.), danced in front of me and blatantly made out, clutching each other as if they were going off to war and might never see each other again. (oh yeah, they were all actually going off to war and might never see each other again) I was singing lyrics like All these big stars are falling, my baby gone for 10 long days, I reach for the pillow, where my baby used to lay I know my bulldog, baby when I hear him bark, I know my woman when I feel her in the dark, oh I know you baby At some point in the song they were lost to any lyrics, whispering in each others ears between soul kisses oblivious to the small crowd forming, watching. My slide and harp took over where words failed and the moon was big over the Potomac. (Ok, I'm not a poet but I'm telling you the moon was big over the Potomac) As they danced the men would often pick their lovers up off the ground, they were sturdy dudes and swing them around, never losing balance or giving even a moment's doubt that they would stumble even with the drinking. I kept wondering if they would come back home safely as I played. I re-ran all those shows I have seen on what happens to a man or woman whose vehicle hits an IED with the inadequate amour we give them. I couldn't help the catastrophic images from flashing in my mind as I played and watched their innocence in motion. After the song ended they all shook my hand and thanked me looking me in the eyes (more sirs). As I thanked them for their service to our country and said that we owe all our freedom to men and women like them, the words turned to ashes in my mouth. Because I sincerely believe that our country has betrayed these young people. Their lives should not be so causally spent to try to try to keep one sect of Islam from blowing up another sect of Islam because the Shia believe that the Prophet Muhammad's family should have taken over after his death, and the Sunnis believe that the successor should be elected. (which is how it went down) So they went off into the night and I was left with these thoughts and feelings. I will never play that song again without thinking of these young people and wondering if any of the four will be reaching for the pillow where there baby used to lay after they return. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
Do you have any black friends? Ask them where they had lunch yesterday. If it is a place where you have ever eaten yourself, you will understand the difference between legally sanctioned prejudice (especially the version supported by religious beliefs) and people acting like dickheads to each other without the support of the social system. Getting rid of Jim Crow Laws in the South did a lot of good even though it wasn't the laws that caused prejudice, it was the people's ignorance. But the difference is that now black people have legal protection from those prejudices. It isn't perfect, but if you hang out with any black folks you will understand that it is way way better. People in the South had to integrate schools at the point of a gun. People are still prejudiced, but I can have lunch at the same table with black friends. Better. As far as India is concerned, you don't have to trust Turq, read some Gandhi. He knew a thing or two about how the caste system effects people's lives in India. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, Thanks for allowing us to disagree. It'd be silly for me to invest in wanting that you think what I think, cuz, hey, how could I possibly know what you really think such that I could have a certainty about that? Where's my diagnostic tools for that kind of work? Heck, inside my mind, only me being involved, if I had the same thought twice in a row, how could I even prove those two thoughts were identical except that, yep, yet a third thought must come in and confirm that that is the case, and now we've got this outsider thought who arrives after the fact claiming to know about the previous two thoughts, indeed, even to the extent of being an expert. Sigh.. Mantra, mantra, mantra, mantra -- all identical, right? Or, if you prefer, let's say that they're all slightly different, right? WELL WHAT MAKES ME SO DAMNED SURE? That's the area in which I love to play. What functionality of my mind can produce that certainty despite my ego being completely out of that decision loop, because the decision that identical thoughts occurred is done by the extraordinarily subtle intellect churning out core memes for which the cortex then fashions a verbal gift wrapping, and voila! a thought occurs to the ego. Something like that -- ask Patanjali, cuz, you know, that I don't know, not really, jack or even jack's excrement about this. Or, wait, how could you know that I don't know when I've just made the point that tools for such diagnosis are non-existent in the lives of most of us? Never mind! But I digress. The subject was caste system. Oh, it's being used for every manner of evil. Wives must burn themselves to death. Wives are returned-to-sender or killed when their dowries run out. Any group of men in a village can call a woman an adulterer and kill her on the spot, and no one will report anything to the authorities -- be as mum about what really happened as, well the MUM course office folks can be mummish. We don't know what happened, the sun was in our eyes. Yeah, evil. No doubt. And, gawd, these are the folks who namaste you every other nee-nee-na-na-no-nosecond. Go figure, no, wait, that'll make my head hurt. But Turq, Turq, Turq, can you really say that it's the caste system that CAUSES THIS? I mean, you and causality are not bosom buddies as far as I can tell -- where's traction for Maya? It's all the Absolute's fizz, right? Just synchrony not causality, right? Am I misinterpreting you on that issue? And Turq, do you really think that the small potentates of the various Soviet territories were LESS evil in their doings? Do you think that the Popes of the past haven't lifted the robes of nuns, that Sufi whirlers didn't swing some slave girl off into the bushes, that the witches drowned in New England were guilty? I cannot stratify these evils, cannot order them into a hierarchy. They're all on the same level. 50,000,000 million folks died in WWII -- Hitler's evil use of Germanic tribalism's DNA deep addiction to racial purity. Pol Pot used communism. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people. Red-blooded Americans killed the Native Americans for what? -- democracy -- we voted to kill the Indians, so it's okay. Every killer on this list thought he was doing a good thing!! And men kill polar bears who kill these lovable seals who kill loveable penguins who kill loveable, delicate, ever so silent fishys or gobble amazingly intelligent krill who slobber down miraculous microorganisms who absorb the loveliest of carbon based molecules who have commandeered the uses of devic quark forces that consume the Absolute's black hole mystic effervescences. The caste system is just another way to organize the mayhem. In theory, it's works pretty good during Sat Yugahee hee. Now, don't get me wrong here. The Vedic
[FairfieldLife] Hip-Hop Guru: Russell Simmon in the NY Times
I'm out of touch with hip-hop culture, so I don't know Russell Simmons. But I do know these short interviews by Deborah Solomon are unfailingly interesting. Here he talks about the role of meditation in his life and pounces on Solomon for equating reading with meditation. From the Times Sunday Magazine of 29 April 2007: Questions for Russell Simmons Hip-Hop Guru Interview By DEBORAH SOLOMON Q: As the co-founder of Def Jam Recordings and the so-called C.E.O. of hip-hop, do you think the outrage over Don Imus's prickly language and his firing might broaden into a crusade against song lyrics? A: It already has broadened to lyrics. It's been that way since 1983. They've been yelling at me from Run-D.M.C. and the Beastie Boys till now. Q: What do you make of Barack Obama, who recently said that rap musicians should reform their lyrics? A: What we need to reform is the conditions that create these lyrics. Obama needs to reform the conditions of poverty. I wish he really did raise his money on the Internet, like he said. I wish he really did raise his money independently. Q: What are you saying? I think about one-fourth of his campaign contributions came from small donations made over the Internet, even though he collected more than any other Democratic candidate from Wall Street people. A: So at the end of the day, he's controlled, too. That's my point. He's a mouse, too, like everybody else. Q: Are there any presidential candidates who inspire you? A: I talk to John Edwards more than I talk to anyone. He has said more things about the conditions we need to think about. He went to yoga with me. He did the whole class, an hour and a half. He sweated like crazy. He's in good shape, but it was hard on him. Q: You write extensively about your devotion to yoga in your new self-help book, Do You! Is the title your own coinage? A: No. It's an old hip-hop expression: Do you! It's just something we say all the time. It means do what you want to do. Do what inspires you. Don't be a sheep. Keep it real. The book was originally called Russell Simmons' Laws of Success. Q: Really? That's pretty generic. A: Oprah renamed the book. It was like God calling. She gave me a better title. Q: Your book basically advocates for old-fashioned American values i.e., work hard, don't give up. A: The book doesn't say just work hard. It says meditate. That's the most important thing in the book. I go to yoga every day. I meditate every morning. Do you meditate? Q: I prefer reading in bed. That for me is meditation. A: No it's not. It's noise. It's the opposite. To be awake is to be fully present, no noise, just you and God. Most of us only have seconds of full consciousness. To live in a state of samadhi that's what we're here for. Q: Why did you, a self-proclaimed seeker of spiritual truths, ask Donald Trump, of all people, to write the foreword to the book? A: I think it's all God. I say that all day long. The real process is doing you and having a truth that you live up to. Donald is different than a lot of other very rich people. He has a good time. He is always laughing. He's into doing him. Q: In the years since you sold your stake in Def Jam, you've gone into the fashion business and developed clothing lines like Phat Farm and Baby Phat. Do you still run them with your wife, Kimora Lee? A: We're separated. She works upstairs. People do think it's inspiring the way we handle our partnership. Q: You're known for dating models. What do they offer besides flawless skin? A: They're better than actresses. Actresses are kind of a little crazy. Q: There are other women besides models and actresses. Why don't you try dating, say, a professor the next time around? A: A professor? I can barely read. Q: Are you dyslexic? A: No. I can read. But I can't understand anything. I just read The Autobiography of a Yogi, by Paramahansa Yogananda, over and over again. Q: Do you see a therapist? A: Why? You think I'm crazy? Q: No, but you seem to have a heightened need for stimulation. A: Unfortunately, I do. My nickname is Rush, but I practice yoga every day so I can rush less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] status of women in Global Country
In a message dated 4/29/07 3:33:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselves—gaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. _http://www.globalgohttp://www.http://www.ghttp://wwwhttp://www.globaht_ (http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?rt=117761870716553626) Nobody seems bothered - strange... Sounds wonderful and noble. Intrusting the care and nurturing of the next generation with those that have the most refined experiences while the men slug it out in the mud. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Ok, because I have some free time this afternoon, I'm going to take advantage of that fact and riff, Curtis-style or Edg-style, on my feelings about those of the Indian persuasion and why I feel that there is a *great deal* of racism in their culture. First, a necessary definition. When I use the word 'racism' in past posts or this one, I am *including* in that definition *any* support of or justification of the Hindu caste system. I *define* the caste sys- tem as a form of racism, which I further define as the systematic suppression of one social or racial or religious class by those who consider themselves better or more highly evolved or more privileged or more worthy than they are. The caste system just manages this racism without the luxury of being able to recognize those they wish to suppress visually, by their physical or racial characteristics. Second, unlike many of you here, I have never been to India, or wanted to go. The place just doesn't appeal to me. So my experience with Indians is limited to daily interactions with *expatriate* Indians -- in the United States and in Europe. That said, in those environments I have interacted on a pretty much daily basis with *hundreds* of Indian nationals of various religions and, if Hindu, of various castes. About the only thing these folks had in common was having come from India and being computer programmers. So that's the subset of Indians I am familiar with. snip So shoot me. Hang on, I'm reloading... Pardon me for saying, but you are so full of it in this case, it spills out your mouth. And if you repeat that quote of mine out of context where I responded to Curtis saying that I wasn't insulting him, you are mistaken this time. (For a writer you have such a poor understanding of context, it boggles the mind.) I *am* insulting you, or more precisely, I am insulting your racist attitude against Indians from India. First, there are nearly a billion people in India, and a far greater percentage of the population here in the Bay Area is Indian vs. in New York or France. To extrapolate your opinion of these billion people based on your racist views of a few hundred is unforgivable. I find Indians here in the Bay Area to be far from the churlish, spiteful and arrogant individuals you describe. They tend to be as well educated, personable and as well rounded as anyone else I know. And unfailingly polite. And this is true whether or not they have just arrived here, or been here for years. Same goes with the Indians I interact with in India, in business meetings. Are they *better* or worse as a class of people than anyone else? Can't say. Haven't met all one billion of them. A racist, like you, is someone who will extrapolate the worst about a group of people based on carefully selected experiences and observations. Hence those who call black people and Mexicans lazy. You are no better. Just another member of the KKK in my book. Nothing cool or spiritual about that. Just deeply ignorant. Your ignorance of the caste system makes me blanch, too, sounding to me most like a fat cat Republican who declares all unions to be bad because they have been associated with corruption. The caste system in India is a system whereby society is organized according to its dharma. Does it work perfectly today? No. Does any other social convention? No. Another example of your racism. Racism is a byproduct of ignorance, which you have displayed by having interacted with select groups of Indians, formed an opinion of the other billion, and now declare that you would not go to India because of your racist opinions. You are one Ugly American. But guess who here would be the first to raise an outcry if someone else had made unflattering remarks about the population of a country on the basis of knowing a few expatriates in a very highly specialized profession? He Who Lives Under The Watchful Eye Of Ten Thousand Imaginary Demons? The Master Of Straw Men? Emperor Of The Passive-Agressive Remark? King Of The Out Of Context Rebuttal; Saviour Of The Facile Argument?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
Nice report, Curtis. Whenever I've see a soldier in uniform eating at a restaurant, I do this ego thang. Here's what I do: I say, I'm totally against the Iraq war, but I'm 100% for you. Any military person in Iraq has someone aiming a gun at them all the time, and to just show up there is bravery beyond anything I've ever done in my life. And may I buy your dinner, cuz you're giving me and my country such deeply honorable service? They all say, No, sheepishly usually, saying, I've got money, but I say, Look, this is for me, not you. I really need this symbol of support for our troops. They smile and are a bit uncomfortable, but I lay down the money on the table and say, If you can't use the money, I'm sure you know someone who can. Pass it forward. And I turn and leave. Oh, shame on me, but it feels good and I can't stop it. These poor kids who get themselves into the military for all the wrong reasons just break my heart when they slog through their commitments. They've got something I know not of. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent report from my life-identity theft hijacker! So many fantastic details. I can't match the sensory richness in my own post, so I will take it in another direction but still under the heading of keep'n it real. I had a long day playing music outside on the boardwalk in Old Town yesterday. Today is more gorgeous so I am my way out again this morning. It was 6 hours of interacting with people from all over the world who flock to this charming spot on the Potomac. I could describe the kid's enthusiasm or even just focus on the smirky chicks strolling by with their Sita-like sidelong glances... But all the experiences of the day got trumped at the last minute. Having played so long, and sung without a mike, my whole body was done done done as I packed up. My fingers start to lock up (I have a long ice down ritual after performing so long to preserve my hands for the next day), my voice is slightly raspy, my lips are raw from harmonica runs, and my diaphragm and intercostal muscles are spent from pushing my voice and harp above the ambient noise. This causes a deep but satisfying fatigue inside. My body is done, spent at the core. Only the mental and emotional high of the day's performances carry me home. These details are necessary to understand why I felt some trepidation when I was approached, after putting away my guitar and starting to break down my drum set, by a slightly intoxicated young man with a high and tight haircut. I had already stopped responding to the people walking by asking where's the music? as if I hadn't been cranking it out for 6 hours already and was just slacking on my job. He started with sir, (when did I become a sir? I forget when it started but by now it is all I hear from men his age!) It also gave me the military heads-up because they are usually unfailingly polite to their elders. (I'm not dropping the quotes till my head is all gray dammit) It all ran together just like this: Sir, I know you are going home but I just spent the evening with my girlfriend who I love more than anything in the world and we are going off to Iraq in two months and is there any way you can play us a love song I only have $20 left because we just ate at a fancy restaurant and it would mean so much for us to be able to dance to a love song I come from Tennessee and her name is Michelle and I love her more than anything in this world could you maybe please play us one song sir so we can dance together tonight... Picks were back on, harp was on the rack, steel guitar was ringing from my slide as I launched into a tune from Blind Willie Mctell. Two young couples (all four were being deployed.), danced in front of me and blatantly made out, clutching each other as if they were going off to war and might never see each other again. (oh yeah, they were all actually going off to war and might never see each other again) I was singing lyrics like All these big stars are falling, my baby gone for 10 long days, I reach for the pillow, where my baby used to lay I know my bulldog, baby when I hear him bark, I know my woman when I feel her in the dark, oh I know you baby At some point in the song they were lost to any lyrics, whispering in each others ears between soul kisses oblivious to the small crowd forming, watching. My slide and harp took over where words failed and the moon was big over the Potomac. (Ok, I'm not a poet but I'm telling you the moon was big over the Potomac) As they danced the men would often pick their lovers up off the ground, they were sturdy dudes and swing them around, never losing balance or giving even a moment's doubt that they would stumble even with the drinking. I kept wondering if they would come back home safely as I played. I re-ran all those shows I have seen on what happens to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent report from my life-identity theft hijacker! So many fantastic details. I can't match the sensory richness in my own post, so I will take it in another direction but still under the heading of keep'n it real. We've discussed this enough to know that we kinda agree that keep'n it real is where the rubber meets the road, spiritually. I mean, WHO CARES whether someone can discuss the 43 subcategories of Brahmanic WooWoo and their relationship to the original pronunciation of the Suggestibility Sutra if they can't treat someone on the street as well as they'd treat Patanjali himself?! snip important beginnings of wonderful story It all ran together just like this: Sir, I know you are going home but I just spent the evening with my girlfriend who I love more than anything in the world and we are going off to Iraq in two months and is there any way you can play us a love song I only have $20 left because we just ate at a fancy restaurant and it would mean so much for us to be able to dance to a love song I come from Tennessee and her name is Michelle and I love her more than anything in this world could you maybe please play us one song sir so we can dance together tonight... Picks were back on, harp was on the rack, steel guitar was ringing from my slide as I launched into a tune from Blind Willie Mctell. Exactly. Who could have hesitated? That's my kinda spirituality. So they went off into the night and I was left with these thoughts and feelings. I will never play that song again without thinking of these young people and wondering if any of the four will be reaching for the pillow where there baby used to lay after they return. Excellent moment, excellent story, excellent state of attention, dude. These are the moments that make life worth living and smiling about...
[FairfieldLife] Pity the Poor Pundits
Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent report from my life-identity theft hijacker! So many fantastic details. I can't match the sensory richness in my own post, so I will take it in another direction but still under the heading of keep'n it real. We've discussed this enough to know that we kinda agree that keep'n it real is where the rubber meets the road, spiritually. I mean, WHO CARES whether someone can discuss the 43 subcategories of Brahmanic WooWoo and their relationship to the original pronunciation of the Suggestibility Sutra if they can't treat someone on the street as well as they'd treat Patanjali himself?! snip important beginnings of wonderful story It all ran together just like this: Sir, I know you are going home but I just spent the evening with my girlfriend who I love more than anything in the world and we are going off to Iraq in two months and is there any way you can play us a love song I only have $20 left because we just ate at a fancy restaurant and it would mean so much for us to be able to dance to a love song I come from Tennessee and her name is Michelle and I love her more than anything in this world could you maybe please play us one song sir so we can dance together tonight... Picks were back on, harp was on the rack, steel guitar was ringing from my slide as I launched into a tune from Blind Willie Mctell. Exactly. Who could have hesitated? That's my kinda spirituality. So they went off into the night and I was left with these thoughts and feelings. I will never play that song again without thinking of these young people and wondering if any of the four will be reaching for the pillow where there baby used to lay after they return. Excellent moment, excellent story, excellent state of attention, dude. These are the moments that make life worth living and smiling about... Love blooms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any black friends? Ask them where they had lunch yesterday. If it is a place where you have ever eaten yourself, you will understand the difference between legally sanctioned prejudice (especially the version supported by religious beliefs) and people acting like dickheads to each other without the support of the social system. Getting rid of Jim Crow Laws in the South did a lot of good even though it wasn't the laws that caused prejudice, it was the people's ignorance. But the difference is that now black people have legal protection from those prejudices. It isn't perfect, but if you hang out with any black folks you will understand that it is way way better. People in the South had to integrate schools at the point of a gun. People are still prejudiced, but I can have lunch at the same table with black friends. Better. As far as India is concerned, you don't have to trust Turq, read some Gandhi. He knew a thing or two about how the caste system effects people's lives in India. Ever heard the expression, throwing the baby out with the bath water? This is what I see with those who would condemn the caste system. The same mentality that ceaselessly goes after Maharishi and his efforts. The product of coarse intellects who can only see the black or white of any situation, who must pronounce something either 100% good or 100% bad. (Except themselves of course, who are oh so complex and multi-faceted...). What happened to striving for ideals? Again I call this criticism of the Indian caste system racist. Why? Because those who criticize it are doing so because it is Indian. If not, they would find greater fault with our US democracy, a system that allows the most incompetent, mean spirited dick-heads to run the most powerful country in the world. You see no problem with that? No, let's knock the caste system instead, something we barely understand, have never lived within, and are judging based on its worst excesses. Better yet, some on this board have even wholly imagined why the caste system was invented! Amazing! I am now waiting for this same source to enlighten us as to why the wind, sun and clouds were invented. Looks to me like a couple of fools on the hill need to get their feet on the ground.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. Why has no one contacted the Indian Embassy and complained? Either a pundit, or someone who has verified all of the above and wants to do the responsible thing? Or is the above selective information designed to create an impression, via the rumor mill?
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Group program - boring half time
You're not missing much - at least during the second round - after a boringly long hour of half time. You wait for the experiences (too often mood making) and commentary by Bevan and John Hagelin. They ask for a show of hands of who is having #1 experiences, so some wake up to do that. Each location tries to outdo each other in percentage. It is not rounding as we know it. People get so hungry waiting between rounds they eat on the foam. Some reports of people going home or down town. Scholarship participants wait near the time clock to punch out at 11:45. The Invincible America course would be much more powerful if they skipped the half time show, and go right in to the second round, while people are most settled. See photo album on Rounding? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two ways to hit the target * We all come just a little more often â 11% as a group. * We all inspire just a few more of our out-of-town Sidha friends to join us. * The geniuses in the course office stop stop rejecting people who actually *want* to be in the Domes. For everyone else, it's pretty much over. Every Yogic Flyer is so very precious â to the group, to our country, and to our world. Except, of course, when they aren't. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: status of women in Global Country
I have two daughters myself - have been a very involved father, finding parenting a learning, rewarding and sublime experience in its own right. I want my daughters to have equal opportunities in the world of work. The female contribution in the workplace nowadays is essential both technically and in terms of their people skills; equally, the most significant factor in the rise of children's psychological and behavioural problems often relates to emotionally absent fathers rather than mothers.. Restricting the VISION of the female function in society to that of a MOTHER, whilst perhaps understandable in a hunter-gathering or early agricultural community, makes NO SENSE in a post-industrial society where families typically have much fewer children and females have important career contributions to make before and after having children. I personally would be horrified if my daughters had to live in a Global Country where the ideal was not that different from what the Talibans consider most noble for their women - namely, having no civic rights at all!! Surely what we all need is CHOICE and better QUALITY, whatever that choice might be. So yes, I'm STILL puzzled why these clearly REGRESSIVE developments don't bother meditators more.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/07 3:33:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselvesâgaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. _http://www.globalgohttp://www.http://www.ghttp://wwwhttp://www.globah t_ (http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? rt=117761870716553626) Nobody seems bothered - strange... Sounds wonderful and noble. Intrusting the care and nurturing of the next generation with those that have the most refined experiences while the men slug it out in the mud. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It just makes my day to have a few of the TM TBs go out of their way to trash me TM TBs: people who think Barry is a phony --Barry's Dictionary
[FairfieldLife] Culturing Genetic Propensities -- the good part of caste
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I am not at all a fan of the current caste system, by your essay quite misses the head of nail in your several attempted hard stikes at it. Turq, The caste system was invented to keep the currently ruling classes (and their kids after them) in power, and the rest of the people doing their bidding. End of story. Repeating part of my conclusion here, I do feel that you have pointed out a series of personal observations, some of which parallel my own, where some Indians (I have seen it in other cultures also) are racist and oppressive, and use their (possibly highly distorted and self-serving) interpretations long standing aspects of their culture justify such abhorrent human traits. However, I quite disagree that your observations can be reasonable or meaningful extrapolated to an entire culture or race. That to me is itself racism and biased culturalism. I think the term âcasteâ has a huge baggage inherent in it and should be dropped -- even though I (raise the red flags), I hold it has some redeeming qualities in its essence, as I interpret it. Lets me temporarily term genetic propensity as a term to capture these redeeming values, and which excludes the horrid baggage implied to many from caste. And Let me be clear, my term has nothing to do with (any negative if not all aspects of) genetic engineering or genetic determinism. The current mapping of the human (and other species genomes) and the emerging understanding of how these genes shape the physiological, neural, anatomical, cognitive, memory, learning, perceptual, motor skill, intelligence (all 8+ types) empathy, compassion, verbal skills etc ad infinitum,(summarized here out as skills) aspects of each individual is massive. It appears to a simple mind such as mine that testing youths and adults through their lives to make them, their parents, peers, schools and employers aware of both special skills and deficiencies -- and the bulk of most -- mainstream skills -- is a wonderful and powerful tool to help all towards allowing all of humanity use, contribute, share, mentor and pass on their maximum potential. That someone with two parents as doctors MIGHT do will as a doctor is not a huge stretch. I know a number of such (at least one parent as doctors). Such a family provides a richness both nature and nurture qualities. That is it provides both a genetic propensity towards the skills that make a good doctor, and a home, growing, mentoring, social network, schooling enironment that culture such innate skills. That is not to say that this kid SHOULD OR MUST be a doctor. Perhaps genetic tests indicate many great grandparents, great-great uncles an aunts, etc were mostly artists. And he shows artistic skills. Then at a minimum, he should be given artistic nuturing opportunities to see if such skills flourish. And if most ancestors were robbers, rapists, drug addicts and/or politicians, then a strong genetic mapping of genes, neuro-receptor and transmitter mechanisms, etc that may contribute to depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, alcoholism, drug dependencies, and allsorts of other underlying conditions that might lead or encourage anti-social behavior could be identified and appropriate therapies initiated early in life. (Actually above could be done for all. For example, successful doctor could also be bipolar and have that reduce the contributions she might make in her life and profession.) The above genetic propensity paradigm embodies what IMO, is the essence of the ancient ideal of the caste system -- but which has been distorted horribly over the ages. But that is opinion, not a researched or reasoned conclusion. Regarding your (Turq) critique / essay, I find Story (your first paragraph) is the operative word here. Two major flaws here. First, something is not necessarily bad due to its reason / source funding leading to its invention. The internet was developed by fund and work by Dod and DoE.(1) The former a purveyor of death and destruction, the latter being primary funder / researcher on atomic energy. Ergo per (my take on) your logic, the internet is bad. Second, your case presents nothing about the genesis of the caste system -- but simply states your limited observation or unsubstantiated opinion the caste system has been perpetuated by certain classes. Any religious or spiritual explanation for it came afterwards, as a justification. OK. Are any other explanations of it possible? Or is this a straw man argument -- defeat these tow things, and in your view, is the whole system defeated? If so, I disagree. There are more arguments that could support a neo-system where genetics help people and guide them towards optimal (first for them, secondarily for society) career choices -- and the lifelong support systems and environments that can nourish that direction of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: status of women in Global Country
How do TBers such as Susan Levin and Denise Denniston respond to this? ...deny females access to higher education... Both these wmoen are UCBerkeley Ph.D.'s for garsh sakes. Frankly I need to hear from them. claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two daughters myself - have been a very involved father, finding parenting a learning, rewarding and sublime experience in its own right. I want my daughters to have equal opportunities in the world of work. The female contribution in the workplace nowadays is essential both technically and in terms of their people skills; equally, the most significant factor in the rise of children's psychological and behavioural problems often relates to emotionally absent fathers rather than mothers.. Restricting the VISION of the female function in society to that of a MOTHER, whilst perhaps understandable in a hunter-gathering or early agricultural community, makes NO SENSE in a post-industrial society where families typically have much fewer children and females have important career contributions to make before and after having children. I personally would be horrified if my daughters had to live in a Global Country where the ideal was not that different from what the Talibans consider most noble for their women - namely, having no civic rights at all!! Surely what we all need is CHOICE and better QUALITY, whatever that choice might be. So yes, I'm STILL puzzled why these clearly REGRESSIVE developments don't bother meditators more.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/07 3:33:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselvesâgaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. _http://www.globalgohttp://www.http://www.ghttp://wwwhttp://www.globah t_ (http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? rt=117761870716553626) Nobody seems bothered - strange... Sounds wonderful and noble. Intrusting the care and nurturing of the next generation with those that have the most refined experiences while the men slug it out in the mud. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It just makes my day to have a few of the TM TBs go out of their way to trash me TM TBs: people who think Barry is a phony --Barry's Dictionary LOL, and how! As I said earlier, He Who Lives Under The Watchful Eye Of Ten Thousand Imaginary Demons. I find it hilarious that he tries to cast the reason people insult his foolishness is because they are TM TBs. Ooooh Is he sure they aren't BLTs or CBGBs or members of the BBB? lol!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But guess who here would be the first to raise an outcry if someone else had made unflattering remarks about the population of a country on the basis of knowing a few expatriates in a very highly specialized profession? He Who Lives Under The Watchful Eye Of Ten Thousand Imaginary Demons? The Master Of Straw Men? Emperor Of The Passive-Agressive Remark? King Of The Out Of Context Rebuttal; Saviour Of The Facile Argument? LOL!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
In a message dated 4/29/07 10:57:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whenever I've see a soldier in uniform eating at a restaurant, I do this ego thang. Here's what I do: I say, I'm totally against the Iraq war, but I'm 100% for you. Any military person in Iraq has someone aiming a gun at them all the time, and to just show up there is bravery beyond anything I've ever done in my life. And may I buy your dinner, cuz you're giving me and my country such deeply honorable service? They all say, No, sheepishly usually, saying, I've got money, but I say, Look, this is for me, not you. I really need this symbol of support for our troops. They smile and are a bit uncomfortable, but I lay down the money on the table and say, If you can't use the money, I'm sure you know someone who can. Pass it forward. And I turn and leave. Oh, shame on me, but it feels good and I can't stop it. These poor kids who get themselves into the military for all the wrong reasons just break my heart when they slog through their commitments. They've got something I know not of. Edg This is so much bullshit. If you appreciate them, then you appreciate what they are doing. They don't want your money so you can clear your conscience. When you qualify your *appreciation* by telling them that you don't believe in what they are doing, you may as well be calling them baby killers and spitting on them. They want you to believe in them and their mission unconditionally. No wonder they didn't want your money to pay for their dinner! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
I've known Frank Cordaro from Des Moines for about 25 years and he would never treat those kids like that. He would talk to them like people. He would assume they were screwed down and out by the system and that's why they're doing what they're doing. But he would express his point of view and tell them about what he was *doing* to stop war. Ever been arrested in an act of nonviolent civil disobedience? Here's Frank's contact sheet: Jan 2002 Biographical Information for Fr. Frank Cordaro Fr. Frank Cordaro, Catholic Worker Community P. O. Box 4551 Des Moines IA 50306 ph: (515) 243-0765 Des Moines Catholic Worker web page: http://www.no-nukes.org/dmcw e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Educational Background: Fr. Cordaro is 51 years old. He was born and raised in Des Moines, IA. He graduated from Dowling High School in Des Moines, IA, in 1969. He got his B.A in Physical Education Health from the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, IA, in 1973; Masters of Divinity from Aquinas Institute of Theology in Dubuque, IA, in 1976; and two years of continued seminary formation at St. Johns in Collegeville, MN, in 1983 -85. Co-founded Des Moines Catholic Worker: 1976-1983 Fr. Cordaro dropped out of the seminary at Aquinas Institute of Theology in Dubuque, IA, in the summer of 1976 and helped co-found the Des Moines Catholic Worker Community. He spent seven years with the Des Moines Catholic Worker helping to run three houses of hospitality for homeless women and families. While at the Catholic Worker, Fr. Cordaro participated in many public protests and acts of nonviolent civil disobedience. He was arrested numerous times and spent a total of ten months in jails and prisons. His protest efforts covered a wide range of issues including nuclear weapons, the arms race, US foreign policies, nuclear power and issues surrounding poverty in the USA. St. Johns Seminary Ordination: 1983-1985 In the Fall of 1983, Fr. Cordaro re-entered the seminary process. He was sent to St. Johns Seminary in Collegeville, MN, for two years to complete his seminary studies. While at St. Johns, Fr. Cordaro continued his work on social justice issues, leading campus protests and witnesses against the presence of ROTC on St. Johns campus, lead delegations of students to Washington D.C. during Spring Break to work with the homeless at the Community For Creative Nonviolence and protested at the Pentagon with the Jonah House resistance community from Baltimore. While at St. Johns, Fr. Frank was arrested twice at Honeywell Headquarters in Minneapolis and at a farm protest in Marshall MN. Fr. Cordaro was ordained a Catholic priest for the Diocese of Des Moines, IA, by Bishop Dingman in June 1985. Pastor St. Annes Holy Family: 1985-1992 Fr. Cordaros first assignment was to a Team Ministry in Harrison County IA and pastor to St. Annes Parish in Logan, IA and Holy Family Parish in Mondamin, IA. Fr. Cordaro spent the next seven years in Harrison County. While there, he continued to be committed to the Catholic Worker and to resistance work. He was arrested over 15 times in non-violent acts of civil disobedience for a wide range of issues, including nuclear weapons, the arms race, US foreign policies, nuclear power, the farm crisis and abortion. He served three different six-month prison terms while in Harrison County for crossing the line at the Strategic Air Command, now the Strategic Nuclear Command, at Offutt Air Force Base in Bellevue, NE. Associate Pastor St. Pat in C.B.: 1992-1995. Upon his release from Federal Prison Camp in November 1992, Fr. Cordaro was assigned to St. Patricks Parish in Council Bluffs, IA, as an associate pastor. While in Council Bluffs, Fr. Cordaro served as an adjunct teacher for the Buena Vista College Center in Council Bluffs. In May of 1994, Fr. Cordaro crossed the line at the Strategic Nuclear Command at Offutt Air Force Base and received another six month prison sentence. Pastor Holy Trinity of SE Warren Co: 1995-1998 In June of 1995, Fr. Cordaro was appointed the pastor of Holy Trinity Parish of SE Warren County, serving the Catholic communities in Milo, Rosemount and Lacona, IA, about 45 miles SE of Des Moines. Resistance and social justice concerns continued to drive him. In his three years in SE Warren Co., Fr. Cordaro was arrested at the Pentagon in Washington D.C., in New York City and during Governor Branstad's January 1997 State of the State Address at the Iowa State Capitol protesting the Governors attempt to reinstate the death penalty in Iowa Gods of Metal Plowshares: 1998 - 1999 Fr. Cordaro left his pastorate in April of 1998 to participate in the May 17th Gods of Metal Plowshares witness at the annual Military Open House at Andrews Air Force Base in southern MD. Fr. Cordaro and four others took hammers and blood to a B-52 Bomber in a modest effort to disarm this weapon of mass destruction. All five plowshares
[FairfieldLife] The joys of walking
The Spanish beach town Road Trip continueth, this time in a tiny chiringuito on one of the main ramblas of the town called Bar Pay-Pay. I have no clue as to what Pay-Pay might mean in Spanish or Catalan, but if the legs of my waitress and thus my tendency to keep ordering drinks from her are any indication, the bar may actually have a clever English name. :-) I continue to be amazed at the manner in which life is lived on the streets here in Spain. The dinner hour really doesn't begin for another hour and a half, but the streets are *filled* with people enjoying that simplest and most overlooked of human pleasures, walking around. Interestingly, quite a few of the people taking the air and walking around this Sunday night seem to actually be into the Zen of Walking. They're not just mindlessly walk- ing, they're mindfully walking. Their attention is often quite visibly *focused* -- on the passersby, on the male or female companion on their arms, on the look and feel of a street that many of them have seen thousands of time, on just how *good* it feels to walk. Seeing these people, and the joy with which they walk, makes me rather joyful myself, but at the same time I cannot help but feel a bit of a pinch for those who live in environments in which walking around just for the hell of it is *not* an every- day part of everyday life. Walking a lot may not actually be feasible for many of them, because of climate, or fear of crime, or whatever, and that's just so sad, because they're missing out on so much. So, a question to the Fairfield dwellers here amongst us: do people walk much in Fairfield? For pleasure, that is, just for the sheer joy of taking a stroll? It would seem to me, from the one time I was there for a few hours back in the mid-80s, that it would be that kinda place. That question asked, I'm off to join the walkers...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pity the Poor Pundits
Rick Archer wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going. Sounds like a story that India Currents ( www.indiacurrents.com ) and Little India ( www.littleindia.com ) might be interested. Both are US published magazines for the Indian community. Also the India Post ( www.indiapost.com) a weekly newspaper. In India probably some of the major press might be interested such as http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com etc. I don't doubt the story as we've heard other things here too about the pundits and their treatment.
[FairfieldLife] Oh What a Lovely Mess!
If you are planning a trip to the San Francisco Bay Area in the near future be aware of this: (04-29) 09:24 PDT OAKLAND -- The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning. more here... http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL Fortunately I don't travel the route but rarely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh What a Lovely Mess!
In a message dated 4/29/07 1:37:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are planning a trip to the San Francisco Bay Area in the near future be aware of this: (04-29) 09:24 PDT OAKLAND -- The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning. more here... _http://sfgate.http://sfgathttp://sfgathttp://sfgatehttp://sfgatehttp://sfgate .Whttp:_ (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL) Fortunately I don't travel the route but rarely. I guess that was the *second* time in history that fire melted steel, Rosie. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: status of women in Global Country
claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two daughters myself - have been a very involved father, finding parenting a learning, rewarding and sublime experience in its own right. I want my daughters to have equal opportunities in the world of work. The female contribution in the workplace nowadays is essential both technically and in terms of their people skills; equally, the most significant factor in the rise of children's psychological and behavioural problems often relates to emotionally absent fathers rather than mothers.. Restricting the VISION of the female function in society to that of a MOTHER, whilst perhaps understandable in a hunter-gathering or early agricultural community, makes NO SENSE in a post-industrial society where families typically have much fewer children and females have important career contributions to make before and after having children. I personally would be horrified if my daughters had to live in a Global Country where the ideal was not that different from what the Talibans consider most noble for their women - namely, having no civic rights at all!! Surely what we all need is CHOICE and better QUALITY, whatever that choice might be. So yes, I'm STILL puzzled why these clearly REGRESSIVE developments don't bother meditators more.. I am concerned with this vision for women as a SOLE career path. On the other hand, I am concerned with a vision that a woman is not substandard if she chooses to be a stay-at home mom. My niece has chosen the later. (For now, who knows in 10 years?) My mom chose to be a stay-at home mom until I was about 10 and fully grown up (in my mind :)) and went back to work, got frustrated with that and started her own one-person company that 30 years later had 400 professional level employees (nursing and related fields) -- 80% women. My niece was totally brought up nurtured, encouraged, doors opened, mentored, and amply close to walking the talk examples etc to being a fast-track career or professional woman. One grandfather a professor, another founding and running a successful business. A father graduating from a top business school and successful on his career path. Her mother was a teacher. An uncle wih a MD and a PhD focusing on high powered medical research. And of course another neer-do-well floating around new-agey meditative career paths before finally getting somewhat real career-wise in his 30's. :) She was brought up to know, believe and even destined to be a successful professional or career person. She worked for a bit pre-marriage, but is thriving being at home with a 3 year old and another on the way. I personally am quite happy that she is living her bliss. Regardless of family hopes and expectations. Same goes for fathers at home. I don't think mothers have a monopoly on positive parental skills. Some guys may be better parents than their wives. And spending part or all of their careers doing so can be a great thing. And good for kids. My nurturing and mentoring experience would have been quite different if my dad was primary parent for some or several years. Same for caring for ageing parents. Often this is left to women. I took some years off from career to do that. It was an enriching experience for both myself, and hopefully my mom. I have recently gone back to corporate work, after a few years of working on my own. People are receptive that I took time out from a good career to this, and took a career hit for doing so, but I can see the wheels spinning their heads trying to tactfully ask how, why, what?, and huh? These thoughts tie to my adjacent post on genetic propensities. Everyone has lots of them. Some manifest and/or are appropriate at different times in their lives (hmm I smell jyotish here). One my have a 90% propensity to be a doctor, and successfully and happily follow that genetic propensity. But may career shift later to fulfill another propensity as a ski-instructor, artist or we-designer. Bottom line: Racial, gender, cultural, religious, age-based, hair-color, (or existence), physicality, appearance, height (managers and executives are statistically above average height), weight, health status, world-views, sexual-orientation, etc are all incoherent, irrational, unproductive, none-sensical, archaic, obsolete, hurtful, prejudicial, and down right stupid markers, criteria, bases, gut-feelings and frameworks for choosing, selecting, evaluating or judging others (or oneself) for career and other life choices. On the other hand, (ACURATE not myths) genetic propensities, multi-dimensional intelligence/emotional tests, fitness and health profiles are reasonable GUIDES to help individuals answer one of lifeâs biggest questions in life (doubly ironic and difficult in that it is imposed on us at a young age) -- what am I, should I be, will I be good at and happy doing in career and life.) Thus I have no problem with a department at MUM for Vedic Mothers and
[FairfieldLife] Reverse Discrimination and Stereotypes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Do you have any black friends? Ask them where they had lunch yesterday. If it is a place where you have ever eaten yourself, you will understand the difference between legally sanctioned prejudice I understand your point, but if I answer your question, it turns it upside down. Beyond the issues who are friends and who are frequent acquaintences, I had the later who happened to be black and happened to be my boss. When we had lunch, sometimes with others, it was always at restaruants I had never frequented, very upscale, always above my normal budget, aesthtic and culinary level. And any conversational bonding was a bit limited, he belonging to the top country club in this large cosmopolitan city and cultural mecca. And his off time spent sitting on the boards of several major corporate boards -- as well as a Regent of arguable the largest and one of the highest ranked state university systems. Being a graduate of Stanforf and later Harvard Law school, he had alumni demands way above my meager, mostly obsolete and meager, UC (U of Calif) networks. And the calls he regularly got from ranking senators, governors and city leaders for his politic aldvice and support -- having previously been a state cabinet head and with extensive political ties. In summary, most of the dimensions of his life were several steps above mine. As to why, well .. he was a great guy, good sense of humor, insightful, caring, thoughtful, polished, and many other good and laudible things. But in my candid opinion,and that of many peers, he was an example of the Peter-Principle -- he had risen to a level where his job requirements exceeded his skill level. That happens to many. But a possible and plausible case could be made, a number of examples in his life and career support that he had a number of doors open to him because he was black, not despite it. (And he had no problem hailing a cab.) It was clear in working with him on many projects that he was not smarter than I am. Nor did he have core skill sets superior to mine relevant to our projects. Yet he got into Stanford, I had little/no chance. He got into Harvard Law, I had no chance. He was named to large corp board of directors, partly based on his resume, and contacts (built on prior huose of cards), I would be a laughable candidate for such. I contrast my life with his, not out of envy or jealously, his life does not particularly appeal to me. But it is an example upside down from what your piece above implies. And points to a reverse racism that also curently exists in society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
These recruitment promises, and heavy strings (loans), sound ominiously parallel and reminicient with global sex-trafficing tactics where eastern european or asian girls are recruited as waitress and tricked/forced to become heavily indebted, imprisioned prostitutes in foregin countries, passports taken away, heavy financial debts forced via onersous contracts, threats to families at home for dissidents, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** What happened to striving for ideals? Again I call this criticism of the Indian caste system racist. Why? Because those who criticize it are doing so because it is Indian. If not, they would find greater fault with our US democracy, a system that allows the most incompetent, mean spirited dick-heads to run the most powerful country in the world. You see no problem with that? No, let's knock the caste system instead, something we barely understand, have never lived within, and are judging based on its worst excesses. **end** The U.S. democratic republic only truly functions as a democracy at the level of local elections and becomes less and less a democracy as the scope of the elective office expands. As far as presidential contests are concerned there is a strong tendency to elect (or at least, promote) legacy candidates. The Adams, the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Clintons, and the Bushes all represent an expression of the public's trust in the value of a ruling class. That seems to be a natural inclination in people -- to invest in the perceived (or believed) dharma of a family, essentially a caste designation. And there may be some value to it, too, I don't know and couldn't say. Certainly you see it in India with the Gandhis and virtually every dictator or despot in whatever society or culture appoints, or attempts to, a son or family member as his successor. Maharishi has apparently done so with Girish and by extension the rest of the Srivastava clan even though Tony Nader and John Hagelin and the other non-Indians have some honorary status.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pity the Poor Pundits
This certainly helps coherence, yes? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
MDixon6569, Of course, my ego is deluded. Of course it is self serving hypocrisy, and I believe I pointed out my ego when I told my tale. But also true is that almost no one joins the military without it being a very individual decision that may be heavily strained by psychological forces. I don't think even half the recruits know what they're getting themselves into when it comes to joining the military. I just feel sorry for all of them, because, that's me, that's my life too when I project myself into their lives, cuz I made a lot of decisions that I later was locked into and had to get tough enough to honor my words and complete my promises. Show me a recruitment poster that details and explains what will happen to a recruit in boot camp. Where is anyone warned that your drill sergeant can take your ass into a small room and beat the living hell out of you? Where's it say on the posters that a businessman will be allowed to make BILLIONS OF DOLLARS when he tells you to put your life on the line for Haliburton? Army general after Army general has been fired by that pissant in the ten gallon hat, but you're saying that most of the troops believe in our mission in the middle east? You're such a kidder, MDixon6569, you and that kookoo sillywilly brain. And how you think I was calling these brave souls baby killers, is a mystery to me. All wars are bad in that there's never been a war that didn't kill babies by the truckload. Every soldier is trained about collateral damage. Napalmed babies are part of the job, but loving it is not! These child soldiers of ours are being used for some really evil shit, but they're innocent angels to me. Why? Because at 62 years of age, I finally get it just how stupid a young person can be, how stupid I was, until, you know, just now. Whatever they think of themselves, whatever myths they're believing, oh so very few will still be believing the same decades hence. Things change. Not one soldier has refused my money, none of them took offense in any way that would indicate they felt insulted by me. I'm an American, and I get to have an opinion, and if my government is wrong I get to protest it, but these kids are pawns in a big game, and I simply cannot fault them for not having clarity about their roles, and as patronizing as I am coming off here, they were all young innocent children only few years earlier in their lives. I think they all knew where I was coming from. They knew I could see their integrity and honored it -- even if sometimes that integrity had them killing babies. The other day, a police officer killed his partner in a friendly fire incident -- a shoot out with a bad guy. That's war. The good folks get killed too, but no one will make that poor cop feel any worse, right? Stress makes for mistakes. I know that we see the psychology of our troops in such films as Three Kings, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Catch 22, and on and on. Yes, there are folks who LIKE to kill babies, who are proud of their hatred of slopes, wops, and krauts. Oh, there's plenty of wrongness. But when I see a kid with the bloom of youth still unfaded and headed to Iraq, THAT'S THE FIRST BABY I WANT TO SAVE! Sorry, MDixon6569, I think you've misinterpreted me to some degree. But, yeah, ego galore here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/07 10:57:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whenever I've see a soldier in uniform eating at a restaurant, I do this ego thang. Here's what I do: I say, I'm totally against the Iraq war, but I'm 100% for you. Any military person in Iraq has someone aiming a gun at them all the time, and to just show up there is bravery beyond anything I've ever done in my life. And may I buy your dinner, cuz you're giving me and my country such deeply honorable service? They all say, No, sheepishly usually, saying, I've got money, but I say, Look, this is for me, not you. I really need this symbol of support for our troops. They smile and are a bit uncomfortable, but I lay down the money on the table and say, If you can't use the money, I'm sure you know someone who can. Pass it forward. And I turn and leave. Oh, shame on me, but it feels good and I can't stop it. These poor kids who get themselves into the military for all the wrong reasons just break my heart when they slog through their commitments. They've got something I know not of. Edg This is so much bullshit. If you appreciate them, then you appreciate what they are doing. They don't want your money so you can clear your conscience. When you qualify your *appreciation* by telling them that you don't believe in what they are doing, you may as well be calling them baby killers and spitting on them. They want you to believe in them and their mission unconditionally. No wonder they didn't want your money to pay for their
[FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
Someone jokingly suggested we should make it an average of 5 posts a day -- thus 35 a week or something. Hard to track and administer. However, I find I barely have time to read a few posts during the week, much less write many. However on the weekends, FFL and / or other forums provide a valuable outlet and vista for me to get outside the very focused (interesting but within a small channel of LIFE) intellectual and other pursuits/demands in my career work. And to think of broader issues that also nourish my life. As Barry has said, many write to discover. I have always found this. I start to write -- to flesh out some seed response / idea, and often, much to my total amazement, have written something different and more, and for me something I needed to hear. As if a muse (perhaps, a drunken, playful, trickster, not always a smart or insightful muse) on my shouder say, listen up bubba and write this down, read it, study it, and take heed! (as Dr Pete scribbles in his note book, hears voices, worse, responds to them, worse yet, bores all of us with them, hmmm .. clearly schzorphrenic, psychotic, narcissistic, anti-social and generally an ass :) ) [and can't spell big words well] Better yet, is when such meanderings (referring to mine, not Dr Petes, though I like his meanderings too), invoke converstation. Like my recent friendly and cross-supportive (IMV) give-and-take with Curtis. Or Curtis' and Marek's recent dialoge (damn, this Curtis fellow seems to often be at the core of good dialogues.) On weekends, I have some time (perhaps quite UNWELL spent) catching up on posts, reflecting on these posts, writing/meandering, responding to some -- and in the process discovering things I was unaware of in my mind-- and if I am very lucky -- starting a good dialogue /productive debate and friendly discussion. Sometimes, following the flow of ideas (and we KNOW we have no control over thoughts, they just BUBBLE up from the ABSOLUTE aka Quantum Dynamical Vacuum State of All Possibilites) it takes more than 5 posts to even begin to embody them. Thus, at least on weekends, I am suggesting, ne, even vigorously arguing that the 5 post limit is anti-vedic, anti-spiritual, annti-satangic, and counter to the ABSOLUTE Quantum Dynamical nature of the Vacuum State of All Possibilites inherent in all of CREATION! smirk Thus I suggest, ne, strongly advocate, that periodically, one can invoke the Weekend Exception to the five post rule. In other words, if one posts only a few posts, or none, during the week, they can post a few more than five on weekends if such are not argumentative, stupid, insipid or factually bogus. I know that knocks most of my posts out of contentions, but you get the point. It would eliminate spraig-like 80/posts a days of unrestrainable obsesive posts (though some wre quite good). And it would disallow vindictive, arguative, baiting slugs fests by, you know, some people and people who lightly veil others as some people. Rick has said he will support changes suggested by the majority. But who would ever give up one of their precious posts to advocate or denounce the above. Thus, I am invoking the mystical quantum ritam seer secret clause deeply embedded in the FFL guidelines. I proclaim to KNOW, at the level of all truth, as inherently true that the majority in FFL agree with this reasonable weekend extension of the five post rule. And unless a majority or members (over 500) explicity post their objection, that we TRY, as in Trial, this minor augmentation of the Rick five-post fiat and see how it goes. If its abused, we can either send the offender to the dome as a re-education camp for 6 months, and/or give then hot oil bathis, or ignore them, or moderate them -- turnin off their posts util they say I will no longer be a ass ten times, in sanskrit and their native language. - And I claim this is a forum administrative piece and should not count toards my five-limit. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
NO weekend exceptions make the responses short cogent germane NOT more. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:49 PM, new.morning wrote: (as Dr Pete scribbles in his note book, hears voices, worse, responds to them, worse yet, bores all of us with them, hmmm .. clearly schzorphrenic, psychotic, narcissistic, anti-social and generally an ass :) ) [and can't spell big words well] Sounds like a perfect description of most here on FF Life--including myself! Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:49 PM, new.morning wrote: Thus I suggest, ne, strongly advocate, that periodically, one can invoke the Weekend Exception to the five post rule. In other words, if one posts only a few posts, or none, during the week, they can post a few more than five on weekends if such are not argumentative, stupid, insipid or factually bogus. I know that knocks most of my posts out of contentions, but you get the point. It would eliminate spraig-like 80/posts a days of unrestrainable obsesive posts (though some wre quite good). And it would disallow vindictive, arguative, baiting slugs fests by, you know, some people and people who lightly veil others as some people. Rick has said he will support changes suggested by the majority. But who would ever give up one of their precious posts to advocate or denounce the above. Thus, I am invoking the mystical quantum ritam seer secret clause deeply embedded in the FFL guidelines. I proclaim to KNOW, at the level of all truth, as inherently true that the majority in FFL agree with this reasonable weekend extension of the five post rule. And unless a majority or members (over 500) explicity post their objection, that we TRY, as in Trial, this minor augmentation of the Rick five-post fiat and see how it goes. If its abused, we can either send the offender to the dome as a re-education camp for 6 months, and/or give then hot oil bathis, or ignore them, or moderate them -- turnin off their posts util they say I will no longer be a ass ten times, in sanskrit and their native language. - And I claim this is a forum administrative piece and should not count toards my five-limit. :) New, I'll be glad to give up one of my not-so-precious 5 posts for today to comment.A week or two ago, I might have agreed that this was a great idea, in fact, I think I suggested at one point that the limit possibly be raised. No more! I have since seen the light, heard the voices, and all that. The same silliness is starting again, after going underground for a while, that basically was ruining the place and forced Rick to impose the rule to begin with. I think the limit as it stands is just about right at this point, and am not sure I really want to see any changes. And as far as any penalties go, I would suggest either the 6-month Dome reeducation idea, or 60 minutes of Barry Manilow, at full blast--offender's choice. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh What a Lovely Mess!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/07 1:37:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are planning a trip to the San Francisco Bay Area in the near future be aware of this: (04-29) 09:24 PDT OAKLAND -- The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning. more here... _http://sfgate.http://sfgathttp://sfgathttp://sfgatehttp://sfgatehttp://sfgate .Whttp:_ (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL) Fortunately I don't travel the route but rarely. I guess that was the *second* time in history that fire melted steel, Rosie. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. And pray tell what was the first time?
[FairfieldLife] Re: status of women in Global Country
Its possible the RajaRajesharishi's will come into there own if Tony Nadar assumes more active control in the future as it was made clear to be his idea to train them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the leaders in the Movement now are men - unlike the early days when there were as many female initiators. No female Raja equivalents are in prominence - except as Raja companions, described as mothers of a domain. Vedic ideas about the role of women were based on a pre- industrial society more in tune with the Taliban ideal.. So maybe the next thing would be to deny females higher education (avert the danger principle), apart from classes for learning to cook Vedic food, handle re-usable Vedic dipers, master alternate breast feeding techniques, baby yoga etc, all skillfully accomplished under layers of invisibility cloathing.. Steps have been taken to establish an institution of higher education for a group of 100 ladies, where they will be engaged in curriculae for mothers at home, to nourish their children, their families, and their nation by nourishing themselvesgaining higher states of consciousness through Maharishi's programmes. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?rt=117761870716553626 Nobody seems bothered - strange...
RE: [FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that.
RE: [FairfieldLife] A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
One option is to make it an eight post limit on weekends and holidays, Hindu holidays excluded. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh What a Lovely Mess!
In a message dated 4/29/07 5:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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I guess that was the *second* time in history that fire melted steel, Rosie.
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And pray tell what was the first time?
World Trade center, at least according to Rosie on the View.
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[FairfieldLife] George Bush is obviously responsible!
April 29, 2007 Climate change hits Mars Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake. Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period. Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena. The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from that on Earth. One of the researchers, Lori Fenton, believes variations in radiation and temperature across the surface of the Red Planet are generating strong winds. In a paper published in the journal Nature, she suggests that such winds can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet's temperature. Fenton's team unearthed heat maps of the Martian surface from Nasa's Viking mission in the 1970s and compared them with maps gathered more than two decades later by Mars Global Surveyor. They found there had been widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker. When a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that heat back to warm the thin Martian atmosphere: lighter surfaces have the opposite effect. The temperature differences between the two are thought to be stirring up more winds, and dust, creating a cycle that is warming the planet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. Wow. This is potentially a time bomb...and the key word here is indentured. Because indentured servitude is close to if not on a par with slavery, which is illegal in most parts of the world (in the U.S., anyway). This reminds me of an article several years back in which I read about Cuba and the way that the Communist regime there conducts business with multinational corporations that open up factories and mines in Cuba. The arrangement is that the multinationals pay the Cuban government directly for each hour of labor by the Cubans and the Cuban government, in turn, pays the workers. And, yup, you guessed it: the amount the government pays the Cuban worker is a fraction of what they receive from the multinational. At the time I read this article it was within the context of someone filing a suit against the Cuban government for violation of international treaties -- of which Cuba was a signatory -- by participating in slavery. I am not suggesting that the circumstances between the Cuban story and the pundits are similar in circumstances because there doesn't seem to be some middleman raking in a profit on the pundits' labor. But my point is: there are specific laws that seem to prohibit the kind of activity described above by Rick Archer and, if true, it is a veritable scandal in the making. I can see the headline now: indentured slavery alive and well in the cornfields of Iowa... ...or... The Maharishi enslaves Indian serfs; confines them like cattle. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
The other side to this story, of course, is that the Pundits shouldn't expect to be treated any better than the American and European TMers have been treated for the past 30 years in the TM Movement. $30.00 a month stipend PLUS room and board? Why that's a pretty sweet deal from the TMO perspective! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
Rick, I don't want to place an administrative burden on you or anyone. I was thinking more of an honor system -- with sosme verification for blatant abusers. In other words, I think most people can count thier own posts and self limit them. I would tend to post way less than 35 a week, but might do 7-8 /day on week ends, particulrly if Curtis, Marek, Judy, Peter, Mark, Patrick -- among my favorite posters -- or others, engage me / others in an interesting diologue / conversation. No need to really count those whoe honor and demonstrate they can be trusted on an honor system. For the 5% of abusers, it becomes obvious when someone is on a posting jag and needs help. Thus anyone who is annoyed, can count up all posts within 7 days from any starting point and if its more than 35, notify you and you can moderated them. If no one complains, then ok. Bottom line is you do not need to be burdene3d with counting anything. The system is both self-monitored, or monitored by readers. You just need to push the button when it comes to your attention from a volunteer counter / annoyed reader that someone is on a jag and needs help to control themselves. - I am assuming this is an administrative post and doesn't count as my five. Or just Cut me off. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven On Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent report from my life-identity theft hijacker! So many fantastic details. I can't match the sensory richness in my own post, so I will take it in another direction but still under the heading of keep'n it realsnip for brevity Thank You, Curtis; this is truly beautiful. You make my heart glow. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, a question to the Fairfield dwellers here amongst us: do people walk much in Fairfield? For pleasure, that is, just for the sheer joy of taking a stroll? It would seem to me, from the one time I was there for a few hours back in the mid-80s, that it would be that kinda place. Yes, you're right! It is and we do. Fairfield is a great place for walking around and drinking in the general beauty, both in town and out in the country. In town, one of our favorite strolls is simply around the Square and its environs, as people have been doing here for 170 years anyway of recorded history. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Sacs, Foxes, and Ioways weren't doing something similar here for millenia earlier. They still lived within 8 miles of town in the early 1840s, when every day one would see at least a few Indians around the square. Ancient burial mounds lie just east of town and just south of town.) Of course, First Friday is a whole other phenomenon around the Square. Throngs of happy revelers, good music, good art, good food everywhere ... but either way, I imagine the feeling is much like the old Spanish processions around the plaza towards the end of the day. Lots of love in the air -- not just romance (though plenty of that too, for those so inclined), but deep love, the kind that comes from seeing friends we've known for 20 or 30 years, and seeing the young faces we remember in their kids... This place is the closest thing I have ever known to a genuine home town, and I love it for that. The other day in Everybody's Market, I was awe-struck by a three-year old, who looked *exactly like* the little daughter of a woman we lived with in Seattle in the '80s. They left as I was cashing out. Man! That little girl looks just like T., I said, almost to myself, to which the cashier replied, Oh, T.? That was her going out, with her little daughter! They live here now! So now we smile at each other everywhere...Ahh, Fairfield! I think I've mentioned how closely it fits the traditional description of heaven for many of us -- just think of someone from one of your past lives, and before you know it, they're standing right in front of you. As I've said on FFL, we're really all already dead -- in fact, were more dead when we were alive and sleepwalking through life -- and now that we are truly dead, and have let it go, Life shines as beautifully as we can bear it; everything we imagine we want is ours almost before we've had the thought. And what is truly beautiful, I am not alone in this -- many, many here share this same Fairfield. Outside of town, since I lived here in the '80s, a lot of new trails have gone in, one of our favorites leading from Chautauqua Park up northeasterly through some deeply Powerful pines all the way to Waterworks Park, where we can now swim at a gorgeous little beach. And since this winter, another new walking trail now leads along the creek at the bottom of Chautauqua Park and around to the south (still following the creek) through woods and red-winged-blackbird- owned marshes to end up in Lawson's Woods at the Golf Course. We always meet a fair number of others coming the other way, quietly enjoying these walks evidently as much as we do. It's a great place to be. *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
Spain sounds interesting. We walk for the pleasure of it, here in Fairfield. Boston and Manhattan have a complexity of interest while walking, but there is more joy here, somehow. People have been great in organizing a set of trails in Fairfield. There is a new trail this year that follows a winding creek, c. At times, it's too hot, so I time the walks for mornings, and at the end of the day. And, of course after a walk into town, you can sit at a cafe where the miracles of synchronicity are evident. Rena
[FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
Hey Rory, Thanks for the high five for my post and back at ya brother! This reminded me of what I appreciated about living in Fairfield for over 4 years. The richness of the community is something to cherish. It is rare. When I think of Fairfield I remember the big sky walking to the frats, so many stars in the dark, the fireflys in the Spring and how huge the moon is when it is seen over the horizon as if you are out at sea. I also remember the way the earth smells in the Spring. Good on ya mate for finding a hometown. First Friday sounds like the kind of magic I would totally dig! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So, a question to the Fairfield dwellers here amongst us: do people walk much in Fairfield? For pleasure, that is, just for the sheer joy of taking a stroll? It would seem to me, from the one time I was there for a few hours back in the mid-80s, that it would be that kinda place. Yes, you're right! It is and we do. Fairfield is a great place for walking around and drinking in the general beauty, both in town and out in the country. In town, one of our favorite strolls is simply around the Square and its environs, as people have been doing here for 170 years anyway of recorded history. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Sacs, Foxes, and Ioways weren't doing something similar here for millenia earlier. They still lived within 8 miles of town in the early 1840s, when every day one would see at least a few Indians around the square. Ancient burial mounds lie just east of town and just south of town.) Of course, First Friday is a whole other phenomenon around the Square. Throngs of happy revelers, good music, good art, good food everywhere ... but either way, I imagine the feeling is much like the old Spanish processions around the plaza towards the end of the day. Lots of love in the air -- not just romance (though plenty of that too, for those so inclined), but deep love, the kind that comes from seeing friends we've known for 20 or 30 years, and seeing the young faces we remember in their kids... This place is the closest thing I have ever known to a genuine home town, and I love it for that. The other day in Everybody's Market, I was awe-struck by a three-year old, who looked *exactly like* the little daughter of a woman we lived with in Seattle in the '80s. They left as I was cashing out. Man! That little girl looks just like T., I said, almost to myself, to which the cashier replied, Oh, T.? That was her going out, with her little daughter! They live here now! So now we smile at each other everywhere...Ahh, Fairfield! I think I've mentioned how closely it fits the traditional description of heaven for many of us -- just think of someone from one of your past lives, and before you know it, they're standing right in front of you. As I've said on FFL, we're really all already dead -- in fact, were more dead when we were alive and sleepwalking through life -- and now that we are truly dead, and have let it go, Life shines as beautifully as we can bear it; everything we imagine we want is ours almost before we've had the thought. And what is truly beautiful, I am not alone in this -- many, many here share this same Fairfield. Outside of town, since I lived here in the '80s, a lot of new trails have gone in, one of our favorites leading from Chautauqua Park up northeasterly through some deeply Powerful pines all the way to Waterworks Park, where we can now swim at a gorgeous little beach. And since this winter, another new walking trail now leads along the creek at the bottom of Chautauqua Park and around to the south (still following the creek) through woods and red-winged-blackbird- owned marshes to end up in Lawson's Woods at the Golf Course. We always meet a fair number of others coming the other way, quietly enjoying these walks evidently as much as we do. It's a great place to be. *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
For what little my opinion will be worth, and I'm mainly a lurker, I have really enjoyed reading FF Life again since the 5 post limit came into being. It is much more manageable, the tone is much more civil, and there is not a lot of one liner posts and the people who felt a need to post about anything and everything either have left the group of they have learned to post less. I vote to keep it like this, with the five posts. Kenny H. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
I used to ride my bike way up north from Fairfield and stop in the middle of nowhere in the summer. Just amazing the huge blue sky, the wind moving through the corn and the sweet silence. Loved it! -Peter --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rory, Thanks for the high five for my post and back at ya brother! This reminded me of what I appreciated about living in Fairfield for over 4 years. The richness of the community is something to cherish. It is rare. When I think of Fairfield I remember the big sky walking to the frats, so many stars in the dark, the fireflys in the Spring and how huge the moon is when it is seen over the horizon as if you are out at sea. I also remember the way the earth smells in the Spring. Good on ya mate for finding a hometown. First Friday sounds like the kind of magic I would totally dig! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So, a question to the Fairfield dwellers here amongst us: do people walk much in Fairfield? For pleasure, that is, just for the sheer joy of taking a stroll? It would seem to me, from the one time I was there for a few hours back in the mid-80s, that it would be that kinda place. Yes, you're right! It is and we do. Fairfield is a great place for walking around and drinking in the general beauty, both in town and out in the country. In town, one of our favorite strolls is simply around the Square and its environs, as people have been doing here for 170 years anyway of recorded history. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Sacs, Foxes, and Ioways weren't doing something similar here for millenia earlier. They still lived within 8 miles of town in the early 1840s, when every day one would see at least a few Indians around the square. Ancient burial mounds lie just east of town and just south of town.) Of course, First Friday is a whole other phenomenon around the Square. Throngs of happy revelers, good music, good art, good food everywhere ... but either way, I imagine the feeling is much like the old Spanish processions around the plaza towards the end of the day. Lots of love in the air -- not just romance (though plenty of that too, for those so inclined), but deep love, the kind that comes from seeing friends we've known for 20 or 30 years, and seeing the young faces we remember in their kids... This place is the closest thing I have ever known to a genuine home town, and I love it for that. The other day in Everybody's Market, I was awe-struck by a three-year old, who looked *exactly like* the little daughter of a woman we lived with in Seattle in the '80s. They left as I was cashing out. Man! That little girl looks just like T., I said, almost to myself, to which the cashier replied, Oh, T.? That was her going out, with her little daughter! They live here now! So now we smile at each other everywhere...Ahh, Fairfield! I think I've mentioned how closely it fits the traditional description of heaven for many of us -- just think of someone from one of your past lives, and before you know it, they're standing right in front of you. As I've said on FFL, we're really all already dead -- in fact, were more dead when we were alive and sleepwalking through life -- and now that we are truly dead, and have let it go, Life shines as beautifully as we can bear it; everything we imagine we want is ours almost before we've had the thought. And what is truly beautiful, I am not alone in this -- many, many here share this same Fairfield. Outside of town, since I lived here in the '80s, a lot of new trails have gone in, one of our favorites leading from Chautauqua Park up northeasterly through some deeply Powerful pines all the way to Waterworks Park, where we can now swim at a gorgeous little beach. And since this winter, another new walking trail now leads along the creek at the bottom of Chautauqua Park and around to the south (still following the creek) through woods and red-winged-blackbird- owned marshes to end up in Lawson's Woods at the Golf Course. We always meet a fair number of others coming the other way, quietly enjoying these walks evidently as much as we do. It's a great place to be. *L*L*L* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
Wow. This is potentially a time bomb...and the key word here is indentured. Because indentured servitude is close to if not on a par with slavery, which is illegal in most parts of the world (in the U.S., anyway). there are specific laws that seem to prohibit the kind of activity described above by Rick Archer and, if true, it is a veritable scandal in the making. I can see the headline now: indentured slavery alive and well in the cornfields of Iowa... ...or... The Maharishi enslaves Indian serfs; confines them like cattle. not only is this a potential scandal with bad publicity; it is also, IMO a great sin. are not these pandit boys all of the highest brahmin cast, and doing gods work (ie, nature support)? they if anyone deserve respectful treatment, let alone freedom from outright abuse. if these rumors are true, shame on those responsible! the idealist in me is shocked! i hope these kind of stories turn out to be just ill founded rumors, or misunderstandings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other side to this story, of course, is that the Pundits shouldn't expect to be treated any better than the American and European TMers have been treated for the past 30 years in the TM Movement. $30.00 a month stipend PLUS room and board? Why that's a pretty sweet deal from the TMO perspective! i thought that generous millionaire, Howard Settle, was paying everyone on the course 500 per month? isnt that the so-called reason they dont have any money left for fixing a leaky roof on the mens dome? something smells fishy!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking Hey Rory, Thanks for the high five for my post and back at ya brother! This reminded me of what I appreciated about living in Fairfield for over 4 years. The richness of the community is something to cherish. It is rare. When I think of Fairfield I remember the big sky walking to the frats, so many stars in the dark, the fireflys in the Spring and how huge the moon is when it is seen over the horizon as if you are out at sea. I also remember the way the earth smells in the Spring. Good on ya mate for finding a hometown. First Friday sounds like the kind of magic I would totally dig! You should come and play at it sometime, Curtis. If ever you visit FF, be sure you're here on the first Friday of the month in warm weather and bring your guitar and drum kit. Rory, when you cross Glasgow Road, heading west, turn left at the fork in the trail rather than crossing the wetlands, then walk parallel to Glasgow road for 100 yards until the path forks to the right. Follow that up and down and up some hills, across a meadow and into Lamson Woods. At the T intersection in the woods, take a right. You'll come out at the wooden bridge at the other side of the wetlands. Nice detour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. This is potentially a time bomb...and the key word here is indentured. Because indentured servitude is close to if not on a par with slavery, which is illegal in most parts of the world (in the U.S., anyway). there are specific laws that seem to prohibit the kind of activity described above by Rick Archer and, if true, it is a veritable scandal in the making. I can see the headline now: indentured slavery alive and well in the cornfields of Iowa... ...or... The Maharishi enslaves Indian serfs; confines them like cattle. not only is this a potential scandal with bad publicity; it is also, IMO a great sin. are not these pandit boys all of the highest brahmin cast, and doing gods work (ie, nature support)? they if anyone deserve respectful treatment, let alone freedom from outright abuse. if these rumors are true, shame on those responsible! the idealist in me is shocked! i hope these kind of stories turn out to be just ill founded rumors, or misunderstandings. What makes anyone think that the pandits would receive any more 'respectful treatment' than anyone else who has 'worked' for the movement? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Goodie Bag TV: The Triple Tofu Tower
http://www.goodiebag.tv/video/ttt.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush is obviously responsible!
This is why I have not gotten my panties in a bunch over global warming. There is only one verifiable reason for temperature change of any significance on this or any other planet in our solar system... the SUN (and our orbit in relationship to it)! The climate change on Mars as well as its direct correlation with the change on earth has been known for some time (but the news media doesn't seem to care). Maybe we should blame it on the Mars rovers?? That's not to say I don't support the efforts that are taking place to eradicate the perceived problem (warming).. but I support them for different reasons less oil usage means political and economic influence from the Middle East will be greatly reduced. Vegetarianism, or at least only occasional meat consumption, by the masses will eliminate hog confinement operations and make more food (grains and veggies) available for the starving masses around the world. Global warming... doesn't really concern me because I am not convinced that it is a negative or positive. I can't quite understand why everyone who talks of the coming of Sat Yuga, the new millennium, the golden age, etc. gets all bent out of shape that things are changing and are so sure the it is BAD (really bad). What about the will of God... maybe the Age of Enlightenment has an average temperature similar to Maui year around??? I'd take that. HandsOnMaui --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: April 29, 2007 Climate change hits Mars Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake. Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period. Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena. The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from that on Earth. One of the researchers, Lori Fenton, believes variations in radiation and temperature across the surface of the Red Planet are generating strong winds. In a paper published in the journal Nature, she suggests that such winds can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet's temperature. Fenton's team unearthed heat maps of the Martian surface from Nasa's Viking mission in the 1970s and compared them with maps gathered more than two decades later by Mars Global Surveyor. They found there had been widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker. When a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that heat back to warm the thin Martian atmosphere: lighter surfaces have the opposite effect. The temperature differences between the two are thought to be stirring up more winds, and dust, creating a cycle that is warming the planet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The joys of walking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should come and play at it sometime, Curtis. If ever you visit FF, be sure you're here on the first Friday of the month in warm weather and bring your guitar and drum kit. I second Rick's invitation, Curtis. We'd love to see you here! And hear you, see? :-) Rory, when you cross Glasgow Road, heading west, turn left at the fork in the trail rather than crossing the wetlands, then walk parallel to Glasgow road for 100 yards until the path forks to the right. Follow that up and down and up some hills, across a meadow and into Lamson Woods. At the T intersection in the woods, take a right. You'll come out at the wooden bridge at the other side of the wetlands. Nice detour. Many thanks, Rick! Looking forward to trying that! *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
Kenny... I totally agree. Since the five post limit I have been able to read and ENJOY most of the posts. Not the case before the limit. I also want to say... working in the service industry for many years, I have come to realize that no matter what a person does it will not satisfy everyone. And usually the ones that you make the most accommodations for not only don't appreciate it but will continue to ask for more. Please keep the five post limit.. as is. It seems to be working fine. Again.. primarily a lurker but also an avid reader. Thanks HandsOnMaui --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what little my opinion will be worth, and I'm mainly a lurker, I have really enjoyed reading FF Life again since the 5 post limit came into being. It is much more manageable, the tone is much more civil, and there is not a lot of one liner posts and the people who felt a need to post about anything and everything either have left the group of they have learned to post less. I vote to keep it like this, with the five posts. Kenny H. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush is obviously responsible!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, handsonmaui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I have not gotten my panties in a bunch over global warming. There is only one verifiable reason for temperature change of any significance on this or any other planet in our solar system...the SUN (and our orbit in relationship to it)! If you should by any chance be interested in actually informing yourself about the significance of Mars warming vis-a-vis warming here on earth, check this out: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192 The climate change on Mars as well as its direct correlation with the change on earth has been known for some time (but the news media doesn't seem to care). Possibly because it has nothing to do with earth's warming trend? snip What about the will of God... maybe the Age of Enlightenment has an average temperature similar to Maui year around??? I'd take that. There are also lots of sites on the Web that run down the potential consequences of global warming.
