[FairfieldLife] Electric piano?
What kind (brand) of electric piano would you buy if your main purpose was just to learn to play some simple boogie woogie -type riffs?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, that was a nice article. It covers a lot of complicated ideas > in a short interview. We can study all of these great ideas from > atheists, theologians and scientists, which could last a life time. > But in the end it comes down to: do you believe or not? As humans, > we can be satisfied of the answer at various levels, whether it be > intellectual or emotional. > > There might even be some people who would ask: what are you talking > about? OR, what was the question again? :) You're so right, the question is never that clear! Salon has run a whole series of interviews with both scientists and theologians about the relationship between science and religion. I think I've posted about most of them here. They were all pretty interesting, but just wildly different in approach. I think I'm a believer in the Einsteinian sense, very impersonal, not devotional at all. But I disagree with Haught that you can't "surrender" to it unless it's personal. I think that's because he makes a distinction between "It" and "thou," and I don't (and I bet Einstein didn't either). That's the difference between Western religion and Advaita, I guess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
Judy, that was a nice article. It covers a lot of complicated ideas in a short interview. We can study all of these great ideas from atheists, theologians and scientists, which could last a life time. But in the end it comes down to: do you believe or not? As humans, we can be satisfied of the answer at various levels, whether it be intellectual or emotional. There might even be some people who would ask: what are you talking about? OR, what was the question again? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another meaty interview in Salon with a theologian > on the relationship of science and religion. > > John Haught is a Roman Catholic theologian and a > student of evolutionary biology who has proposed > a "theology of evolution." He has a book coming > out called "God and the New Atheism" in which he > takes the current crop of atheist authors to task > for their lack of understanding of both religion > and science. > > Excerpt: > > We have to distinguish between science as a method and what science > produces in the way of discovery. As a method, science does not ask > questions of purpose. But it's something different to look at the > cumulative results of scientific thought and technology. From a > theological point of view, that's a part of the world that we have to > integrate into our religious visions. That set of discoveries is not > at all suggestive of a purposeless universe. Just the opposite. And > what is the purpose? The purpose seems to be, from the very > beginning, the intensification of consciousness. If you understand > purpose as actualizing something that's unquestionably good, then > consciousness certainly fits. It's cynical of scientists to say, off- > handedly, there's obviously no purpose in the universe. If purpose > means realizing a value, consciousness is a value that none of us can > deny. > > http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/12/18/john_haught/index.html > http://tinyurl.com/3y6uar >
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Out of Nowhere" is a great jazz tune to groove to. It's not that > hard to play some great stuff over those changes. This guy gets in > jazz musician's terms really "outside." It's like transcending > with music. Every riff is like diving deep into the transcendent > and then coming back out. Don't know about that, but he's very inventive, imaginative. I liked it a lot. Went looking for other versions of the song (I don't care for the song, particularly, but as you say, the changes are wonderful for jazz improv). Check out the Cataleta duet I flagged for Curtis. Not as virtuosic or as far out, but really gorgeous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is an even better example of what I mean: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=NtljYur4_T8&feature=related > > His chops never exceed what he is communicating for me about being > human for me. Chops get in the way for you? I really don't think about chops per se, not being a musician, I guess. It's just the notes and what they do in my brain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > > More my speed: > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > > > > > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. > > > What do you feel? > > > > > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > > > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > > > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > > > technical proficiency. > > > > > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. > > > > Would you like the music if it were being played > > on a piano instead of a guitar? Or by an > > ensemble? > > > > I love that kind of jazz. I couldn't care less > > about his technical proficiency (I mean, I suppose > > I'd care if his playing wasn't nice and crisp), but > > I just dig bebop. More aesthetic than emotional; it > > exercises my ear. > > No probably not. I dig piano but the artist has to have > something to say for me to really like it. Art Tatum, same song: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKvFfioScbI > I am open to understanding what people get out of this > kind of music. It obviously isn't the emotional based > music I listen to. Right, it's more just sensual, or maybe I should say sensory, because it's very col. Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis, same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPdPcyztls Guitar duet, Gianni Cataleta, Francesco Lo Castro, same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJI_vG0V4fQ Love this one. Cataleta has some great videos, but nothing on Amazon. I'd never heard of him until tonight when I was looking for other versions of "Out of Nowhere." > I just didn't understand why he was doing that > pattern. Do you know the song? > I am immersed in meaning and communication in music. > But I am not anti jazz. It just has to have an emotional > center for me to relate to. Check out these two. I love > this guitarist and he goes way beyond my own personal syle > preference, but he is always connected in a way that I > relate to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0bnVWwq7oNc > > This isn't mu favorite piece by these two and that kind of > makes my point. His guitar is always so meaningful for me > even when it isn't what I prefer. See, this is interesting. Both this and the next one you cited from this guy leave me pretty much absolutely cold. Nothing wrong with it, he's obviously a fine player, but his music does nothing for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
> Just try closing your eyes and grooving with it.> Thanks, I did just that, and felt more of the playfulness of the style. It reminds me of bluegrass in how it effects me mentally. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > curtisdeltablues wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> More my speed: > >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > >> > >> > > > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. What do > > you feel? > > > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > > technical proficiency. > > > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. > "Out of Nowhere" is a great jazz tune to groove to. It's not that hard > to play some great stuff over those changes. This guy gets in jazz > musician's terms really "outside." It's like transcending with music. > Every riff is like diving deep into the transcendent and then coming > back out. One person who did this really well was Wes Montgomery who I > saw play at the Penthouse in Seattle back in the 1960's. He didn't play > any of that octave stuff, that was commercial jazz. Here was this > little guy sitting on a stool and his feet couldn't even reach the floor > playing his ass off. Moments like that in life are rare. > > Just try closing your eyes and grooving with it. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
curtisdeltablues wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> More my speed: >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 >> >> > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. What do > you feel? > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > technical proficiency. > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. "Out of Nowhere" is a great jazz tune to groove to. It's not that hard to play some great stuff over those changes. This guy gets in jazz musician's terms really "outside." It's like transcending with music. Every riff is like diving deep into the transcendent and then coming back out. One person who did this really well was Wes Montgomery who I saw play at the Penthouse in Seattle back in the 1960's. He didn't play any of that octave stuff, that was commercial jazz. Here was this little guy sitting on a stool and his feet couldn't even reach the floor playing his ass off. Moments like that in life are rare. Just try closing your eyes and grooving with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
This is an even better example of what I mean: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NtljYur4_T8&feature=related His chops never exceed what he is communicating for me about being human for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > > More my speed: > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > > > > > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. > > > What do you feel? > > > > > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > > > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > > > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > > > technical proficiency. > > > > > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. > > > > Would you like the music if it were being played > > on a piano instead of a guitar? Or by an > > ensemble? > > > > I love that kind of jazz. I couldn't care less > > about his technical proficiency (I mean, I suppose > > I'd care if his playing wasn't nice and crisp), but > > I just dig bebop. More aesthetic than emotional; it > > exercises my ear. > > No probably not. I dig piano but the artist has to have something to > say for me to really like it. I am open to understanding what people > get out of this kind of music. It obviously isn't the emotional based > music I listen to. I just didn't understand why he was doing that > pattern. I am immersed in meaning and communication in music. But I > am not anti jazz. It just has to have an emotional center for me to > relate to. Check out these two. I love this guitarist and he goes > way beyond my own personal syle preference, but he is always connected > in a way that I relate to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0bnVWwq7oNc > > This isn't mu favorite piece by these two and that kind of makes my > point. His guitar is always so meaningful for me even when it isn't > what I prefer. > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > More my speed: > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > > > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. > > What do you feel? > > > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > > technical proficiency. > > > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. > > Would you like the music if it were being played > on a piano instead of a guitar? Or by an > ensemble? > > I love that kind of jazz. I couldn't care less > about his technical proficiency (I mean, I suppose > I'd care if his playing wasn't nice and crisp), but > I just dig bebop. More aesthetic than emotional; it > exercises my ear. No probably not. I dig piano but the artist has to have something to say for me to really like it. I am open to understanding what people get out of this kind of music. It obviously isn't the emotional based music I listen to. I just didn't understand why he was doing that pattern. I am immersed in meaning and communication in music. But I am not anti jazz. It just has to have an emotional center for me to relate to. Check out these two. I love this guitarist and he goes way beyond my own personal syle preference, but he is always connected in a way that I relate to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0bnVWwq7oNc This isn't mu favorite piece by these two and that kind of makes my point. His guitar is always so meaningful for me even when it isn't what I prefer. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > More my speed: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. > What do you feel? > > I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you > really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't > understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond > technical proficiency. > > If you can please help me understand what I am missing here. Would you like the music if it were being played on a piano instead of a guitar? Or by an ensemble? I love that kind of jazz. I couldn't care less about his technical proficiency (I mean, I suppose I'd care if his playing wasn't nice and crisp), but I just dig bebop. More aesthetic than emotional; it exercises my ear.
[FairfieldLife] The Atheist Delusion
Another meaty interview in Salon with a theologian on the relationship of science and religion. John Haught is a Roman Catholic theologian and a student of evolutionary biology who has proposed a "theology of evolution." He has a book coming out called "God and the New Atheism" in which he takes the current crop of atheist authors to task for their lack of understanding of both religion and science. Excerpt: We have to distinguish between science as a method and what science produces in the way of discovery. As a method, science does not ask questions of purpose. But it's something different to look at the cumulative results of scientific thought and technology. From a theological point of view, that's a part of the world that we have to integrate into our religious visions. That set of discoveries is not at all suggestive of a purposeless universe. Just the opposite. And what is the purpose? The purpose seems to be, from the very beginning, the intensification of consciousness. If you understand purpose as actualizing something that's unquestionably good, then consciousness certainly fits. It's cynical of scientists to say, off- handedly, there's obviously no purpose in the universe. If purpose means realizing a value, consciousness is a value that none of us can deny. http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/12/18/john_haught/index.html http://tinyurl.com/3y6uar
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little Outside Guitar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More my speed: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0 > I never understand what people feel from that kind of music. What do you feel? I get that he practiced the finger patterns a lot. I can feel, "you really made those motions many times didn't you?" But I don't understand what this music is trying to communicate to me beyond technical proficiency. If you can please help me understand what I am missing here.
[FairfieldLife] A Little Outside Guitar
More my speed: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RUFBGDvsy0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
curtisdeltablues wrote: > I find the various insights in this thread very fascinating. I will > say that people in the US are back to living our lives. We got a > little shook. But in DC we had the Pentagon attack, actual anthrax > mail murders,and then the fucking sniper killing people in places > where I regularly shop, (I was just at the Home Depot where the FBI > woman was shot this week). So we had to figure out a way to get back > to chill. But we have. Just as other countries have. We are not > different from the world here in America, we are all the people in the > world. I can spend whole days without interacting with a single > person who was born here where I live. > > Once Bush is gone (and at this point I don't give a flying F who it is > other than him), the rest of the world will go back to taking all our > music, style and US of A flava with a big smile. Cuz America rocks, > and the world knows it. > That is a little too optimistic. I think that right after WWII the US had a very creative period but it sort of petered out. Now emerging countries are taking that role. Our limelight is over and it is time to settle down and chill out (as you say). This whole angst that the NeoCons had was over the US losing its role in the world. But history tells us that countries that insist on being in the limelight all the time become perceived as assholes. Look at the British who once had an "empire." It's going to be hard for Americans as we consumed 25% of the world's resources and yet were only 7% of the population. To the rest of the world we look like spoiled brats. One of these mornings a lot of people are going to wake up to find that their jobs are no longer there (as some people are finding slowly). The boomers are going to find their too old to switch careers and no one will hire them anyway. I've always said the best thing that could happen is an economic crash so that things get evened out. It has to take out the wealthy and the big corporations too. It would be a little humble pie for the once "great nation."
[FairfieldLife] Bohemian Rapshody
http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/607/Bohemian+Rapshody/ Inventive facial choreography. Worth viewing the whole thing since the creativity keeps chuggin. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
I find the various insights in this thread very fascinating. I will say that people in the US are back to living our lives. We got a little shook. But in DC we had the Pentagon attack, actual anthrax mail murders,and then the fucking sniper killing people in places where I regularly shop, (I was just at the Home Depot where the FBI woman was shot this week). So we had to figure out a way to get back to chill. But we have. Just as other countries have. We are not different from the world here in America, we are all the people in the world. I can spend whole days without interacting with a single person who was born here where I live. Once Bush is gone (and at this point I don't give a flying F who it is other than him), the rest of the world will go back to taking all our music, style and US of A flava with a big smile. Cuz America rocks, and the world knows it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since > > > the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the > > > mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, > > > and after that they've had time *get back to living > > > their lives*. > > > > Judy wrote: > > Seems to me that since the terrorism threat is so > > new in the U.S.--unlike in Europe, as you note-- > > we ought to be given a little time to get used to > > it before we're called idiots for thinking about it. > > > > It has also been rather more of a shock to us > > given that we've supposedly been protected by the > > oceans; plus which, the first major attack here > > was a particularly spectacular and deadly one, > > and it came as a complete surprise to most people. > > > > > Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make > > > them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*. > > > > If there haven't been any such idiots in Europe for > > years and years, that should mean terrorism no > > longer works there. > > > > You'd think the terrorists would have given up on > > attacks in Europe, then. But that seems not to be > > the case, does it? > > > No, and if what Barry says about open borders in Spain > it's just a matter of time before another attack occurs. > > It seems to me that only an idiot would not have any > security system to prevent attacks, considering that > the Madrid attack was the only Islamist terrorist act > in the history of Europe where international Islamists > collaborated with non-Muslims. > > "Unguarded U.S. borders are most certainly in terrorist > playbooks as a means of entering the country. Since the > late 1990s, at least a dozen confirmed terrorists have > sneaked over U.S. borders, including operatives from > Hezbollah, Hamas, the Tamil Tigers and one Al Qaida > terrorist once No. 27 on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist > list." > > Read more: > > 'Breaching America' > Posted by Scott Mirengoff > Powerline, December 9, 2007 > http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/018175.php >
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube video produced by BodyVed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Recently my friend, Neil McCorkle, the founder of BodyVed > (www.bodyved.com)posted a four minute video on YouTube.com full of > color, graphics, and special effects. > > Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om89lHRC0JA > Hey Steve, I think the target market for his product or service is confused in this video. Neil is a sincere guy as I remember him. If he can't stand in front of a camera and make his case that he has discovered something special to pay attention to, I really don't think a dozen different dissolve patterns will do the trick. I always respected your BS meter at sidhaland Steve, what do you really think? BTW, if a person hasn't found love, its cuz they aren't giving anything that someone else wants. I really don't believe there is a canned solution to that problem, do you? Curtis
[FairfieldLife] YouTube video produced by BodyVed
Recently my friend, Neil McCorkle, the founder of BodyVed (www.bodyved.com)posted a four minute video on YouTube.com full of color, graphics, and special effects. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om89lHRC0JA
[FairfieldLife] Soundtrack for "FairfieldLife" the Movie
Some apropos tunes for such a movie: Men and Women by Uncle Bonzai The Song Remains the Same (Bluegrass version)
[FairfieldLife] Election '08: An Unwelcome Endorsement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKI2C93T4CU
[FairfieldLife] Shingon Buddhism and Syncretism in Brazil
Fascinating insights. I hope Al does his Ph. D. as he is driven! http://www.arcanology.com/2007/12/16/shingon-buddhism-and-syncretism-in-brazil/ Shingon Buddhism and Syncretism in Brazil I found a fascinating paper on Shingon Buddhism in Brazil today. As people may or may not know, there are over one and a half million Brazilians of Japanese descent in Brazil due to Japanese migration over the last century for work. This forms the largest group of Japanese living in any place outside of Japan (including the United States). The article is “Buddhism in Syncretic Shape: Lessons of Shingon in Brazil” by Rafael Shoji. (You can find it in PDF format as well as in HTML). The article was published in the Journal of Global Buddhism, which is an online academic journal that “has been established to promote the study of Buddhism’s globalization and its transcontinental interrelatedness.” The abstract for this article states: Although syncretism is frequently described in the history of Buddhism in Asia, little has been discussed regarding its presence in Buddhism in western countries, where the concept would be helpful for analysing the popularization of Buddhism and its new combinations. From this point of view, the first aim of this article is to present a new heuristic category, one that contrasts the more rigid concept of identity established by so-called “Protestant Buddhism.” Given the growing dilution of Buddhist identity and its tendency toward syncretism in Brazil, this paper works with the heuristic concept of a “Buddhism in Syncretic Shape.” Since this concept is useful for better understanding some groups in Brazil, it is suggested that it can also provide interesting insights for the study of Buddhism in the West. This concept will be developed through a detailed description of Shingon in Brazil, which has undergone a religious synthesis with Catholicism and Afro-Brazilian religions. The paper is full of fascinating information, at least for people interested in religious studies and especially for those interested in the adaptation of Buddhism to new countries. As many people may know, Brazil is home to a very vibrant mix of religious cultures that combine Roman Catholicism, African Diasporic religions originally coming with slaves, Spiritualism, and modern practices that combine all of these or add new ideas to the mix. Umbanda is a well known syncretic faith that combines Catholicism, Spiritualism, and African religious thought into a modern religion. Some of this syncretism appears to be making its way into Shingon and Shugendo practices in Brazil as well. An excerpt from the paper illustates this: "One interesting aspect of this temple, however, is its incorporation of some devotional and popular elements of Brazilian Catholicism. In this sense, one important characteristic of the altar is the presence of a lateral image of Our Lady Aparecida (port. Nossa Senhora Aparecida). She is venerated as the manifestation of the Virgin Mary in Brazil and is a traditional object of devotion in popular Catholicism. Being the Patroness and symbol of Brazil, devotion to her was very popular with Japanese immigrants in rural zones. The image appears beside the mandalas of Shingon, in the center is a great image of Fudô Myô-ô, the central object of Shingon devotion at this temple. Besides the incorporation of Our Lady Aparecida as a devotional image, there are around three pilgrimages each year to the city of Aparecida do Norte, an important and traditional point for this Catholic devotion. In the photos on lateral walls, the group often appears to be accompanied by Catholic priests during these visits to Aparecida do Norte. At this temple, it is also possible to affirm the presence of syncretism, due to its incorporation of Catholic elements in combination with Shingon meanings." I heartily recommend those of you interested in both religious thought in the 21st century and the adaptation of Buddhism to the West to take a look at this. I’m not endorsing these practices (in case someone claims that I am) but as a Buddhist with a background in Roman Catholicism (as a child) and Neopaganism (as an adult), I do find it interesting. In addition to this paper, I also found a later dissertation from 2004 by the same Rafael Shoji (whom I would guess has his PhD now) with the title, “The Nativization of East Asian Buddhism in Brazil.” This was for the University of Hannover in Germany. The introduction to the dissertation is in German but the rest of it is written in English. By his name and Brazilian address, I would assume that Mr. Shoji is one of these Brazilians of Japanese descent, which would make the reasons for his interest in this area of study fairly obvious. You can download the dissertation here. The abstract for this states: "This dissertation aims to describe and systematize East A
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:08 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Me, I think your psyche was dealt a severe blow when > > you had to confront the evidence that I was perfectly > > ordinary-looking and not the evil ugly hag you had > > been imagining. > > Yeah, sure Judy, we all know you airbrushed those horns and > fangs out of the pictures--admit it already! You wouldn't *believe* what I had to pay to have that done. And you can still see little traces if you look really closely. > I'd post one of myself, but I'm not that good with PS--my > green skin and flaming red eyes would almost surely show > through. :) Oh, damn. Maybe you could email it to me... I've always yearned for flaming red eyes and green skin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scripture Supports Oral Sex. Whew!
Well, that's what my subject of study has been for most of my adult life (reading too much criticism as one poster put it, someone who probably hasn't read enough). And in my opinion, the Song of Songs is not metaphor, not symbol, but anagoge. Now, anagoge is almost never taught even in graduate lit programs. The dictionary definition is definitely insufficient, so I go to great visionary poets like Blake and Dante who use that term to mean metaphoric and literal meaning both at the same time, commenting on one another endlessly. That means you can take the oral sex literally and symbolically at the same time--both interpretations equally valid. Something wrong with that? John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And exactly how did "the more accepted ideas on the subject" get to be just that? What kind of expertise went into that? What were the underlying philosophical assumptions? Can anyone gain that expertise? Or are sacred texts to be protected from the eyes of fools? Who shall judge? Like any other knowledge, the expertise of any subject has to come from a certain tradition or previous body of analysis on a particular issue. This requires the inquirer to know this tradition and the methods that were used to make the analyses. From this line of reasoning, the inquirer can either agree with the previous conclusion. If he or she does not agree with the line of reasoning, then the inquirer can present the new arguments to support the conclusion. Specifically, St. John of the Cross was a Spanish monk who wrote some verses that were similar to the Song of Solomon. He spoke of a loving relationship between two individuals. At first glance, it could be interpreted as a medieval version of the present day romance novels. But at a deeper sense, the writer was trying to convey a relationship between the Creator and the individual human being. Similarly, the Catholic Church has interpreted the Song of Solomon to be a dialogue between the Church and the faithful. Anyone can gain this expertise depending on his or her interest in the subject. However, it would still take time and discipline to learn all of the bodies of knowledge necessary to make a reasonable argument. The sacred texts are open to everyone who is interested to know. The judge (perhaps, evaluators would be a better word) will be the teachers and those who have gained the expertise. It is interesting to note that St. Thomas Aquinas later concluded that his own voluminous writings, based on the known sciences at the time, were worthless after he attained enlightenment, or "understanding", later in his life. > > Prolly not someone like me who's read too much criticism. Or who thinks elephants are kinder animals than we are, with the exception of Edg, of course. > > John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One has to be careful in interpreting scriptural passages without > consulting the more accepted ideas on the subject. Otherwise, a > person can miss the true meaning of the books in the bible, > particularly the Song of Solomon. > > It is unfortunate that this kind of interpretation can lead to > unusual ideas such as the one written by Von Daniken many years ago > about extraterrestrials visiting Earth as described in the Book of > Ezekiel. > > If the point of this post is entertainment, then you've made your > case clear. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I love this. I have the Skeptics Guide to the Bible which > categorizes > > stuff like this. Most people are s selective with their > scriptures. > > > > Funny, profound, what more can you ask of a post. And on the Lord's > > day no less! Nice one New! > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > What the Bible says about Oral Sex > > > > > > Song of Solomon 2:3 > > > As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my > beloved > > > among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, > and > > > his fruit was sweet to my taste. > > > > > > Song of Solomon 4:16 > > > Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow > > > out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant > fruits. > > > > > > 1 Corinthians 7:3 > > > Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and > likewise > > > also the wife unto the husband. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > I am not clear about the slavery thing though > > > > > > What the Bible says about Slavery > > > > > > Exodus 21:2 > > > If thou buy an Hebrew servant > > > > > > Exodus 21:7 > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:08 PM, authfriend wrote: Me, I think your psyche was dealt a severe blow when you had to confront the evidence that I was perfectly ordinary-looking and not the evil ugly hag you had been imagining. Yeah, sure Judy, we all know you airbrushed those horns and fangs out of the pictures--admit it already! I'd post one of myself, but I'm not that good with PS--my green skin and flaming red eyes would almost surely show through. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:07 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you think one mistake sums me up? Sometimes a particularly egregious error does sum things up in certain areas, in this case your credulity and lack of common sense regarding the validity of the sensational kind of stuff you're always pushing on us here. Amen. I have to wonder if the effect of the internet in creating new conspiracy theorists might render an entirely new branch of psychological therapies! That's not to say they didn't exist before the web, of course they did. But easy access and anyones ability to publish or post anything on the web makes it a catalyst for such tripe. I never cease to be amazed by the intellectual and logical shortcuts--sometimes by otherwise intellectually sound humans--people will take to end up at some conspiracy theory. There has to be some psychological basis for this, it's just too widespread. And once a person accepts one conspiracy theory, they seem to be more prone to repeat that behavior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
You're being childish. Let me guess. Your profession is either eighth grade English teacher or text editor. authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you think one mistake sums me up? Sometimes a particularly egregious error does sum things up in certain areas, in this case your credulity and lack of common sense regarding the validity of the sensational kind of stuff you're always pushing on us here. > Or anyone? Are you incapable of learning from the past since you impute this to everyone? Since I impute what to everyone?? Inability to learn from the past? Angela, that's *your* notion, not mine. I devoutly hope you're able to learn from the past. I look forward to the time when you begin to show a little more sense here. > I'm gonna go to heaven one day and Judy is gonna be wearing a St. Peter outfit and she's gonna say, "Can't come to heaven since you once forgot to check with urban legends go to hell where you belong." > And I'm gonna say, "Sorry, my mistake, I should have known. William Blake is in the fires of hell where I most definitely do belong also. Your fantasies about what I think are as outlandish as Barry's. But you minimize your mistake. You *should* have been skeptical of that email about the Voting Rights Act before you even thought to check with Urban Legends. It was transparently phony. That's why I made the point I did about Barack Obama's presidential candidacy. Even if you knew *nothing* about this country's racial history, the fact that a black man is running for president should have clued you in immediately that the email was a hoax. I hadn't done any Web research at the time I first responded to your post. I did a little later on for exact dates and so on, but I knew as soon as I read it that it was a hoax. Not because I'm so smart or so virtuous, but just because I pay attention to what's going on around me and don't automatically swallow everything I read. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > I know that not being able to convince me > > > of this may not quite fit with your claims > > > about the awesome power you have over me, > > > > No, no, Barry. You're confusing my claims with > > your fantasies. > > "The reason I have such power over you, Barry..." > - Judy Stein, just a few minutes ago, in post > #158029, now trying to wriggle out of having > said it. "...is your *weakness*, not any extraordinary strength of mine." Maybe that's "awesome" to you, Barry, but it sure isn't to me. > Judy, you're not powerful, and you're not in > control of anyone, Indeed not. That's why I keep pointing out that you expose your own fantasies when you identify me with characters like Nurse Ratched and the Wicked Witch of the West, and even with Hermione, or when Andrew identified me with Torquemada. let alone yourself. You'll > be out of posts in another day, possibly less. > I guess that's just another one of your ways > of having power over me and all the other folks > you look down upon here on FFL, eh? :-) > > http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/RoleModels.htm > > Look at the photograph, Judy. That's not you > making a face, that IS your face. What you > are shows in this photo all too clearly. And > it shows equally clearly in the other one you > posted to FFL, the one you thought you looked > good in. R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-g-h-t. > As far as I can tell, what you're so angry about > is not what you see in me, but what you see > in the mirror. Well, this is a *new* fantasy from you, at least. Me, I think your psyche was dealt a severe blow when you had to confront the evidence that I was perfectly ordinary-looking and not the evil ugly hag you had been imagining. Talk about cognitive dissonance! You've been more than usually unhinged and incoherent ever since.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you think one mistake sums me up? Sometimes a particularly egregious error does sum things up in certain areas, in this case your credulity and lack of common sense regarding the validity of the sensational kind of stuff you're always pushing on us here. > Or anyone? Are you incapable of learning from the past since you impute this to everyone? Since I impute what to everyone?? Inability to learn from the past? Angela, that's *your* notion, not mine. I devoutly hope you're able to learn from the past. I look forward to the time when you begin to show a little more sense here. > I'm gonna go to heaven one day and Judy is gonna be wearing a St. Peter outfit and she's gonna say, "Can't come to heaven since you once forgot to check with urban legends go to hell where you belong." > And I'm gonna say, "Sorry, my mistake, I should have known. William Blake is in the fires of hell where I most definitely do belong also. Your fantasies about what I think are as outlandish as Barry's. But you minimize your mistake. You *should* have been skeptical of that email about the Voting Rights Act before you even thought to check with Urban Legends. It was transparently phony. That's why I made the point I did about Barack Obama's presidential candidacy. Even if you knew *nothing* about this country's racial history, the fact that a black man is running for president should have clued you in immediately that the email was a hoax. I hadn't done any Web research at the time I first responded to your post. I did a little later on for exact dates and so on, but I knew as soon as I read it that it was a hoax. Not because I'm so smart or so virtuous, but just because I pay attention to what's going on around me and don't automatically swallow everything I read.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Angela Mailander wrote: > I told you, look beyond wiki... > It takes at least an hour, Angela, to drive to Austin to see Alex Jones. 'Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History That Connects the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids' by Jim Marrs Harper Paperbacks, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/2xcnfp Angela Mailander wrote: > > Like I said, research Operation Gladio at some depth > > and beyond the Internet for sure. > > > I'll ask Alex Jones about this the next time I'm in > Austin. > > Operation Gladio: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa pollutes the Gulf
Bob wrote: > The nation's corn crop is fertilized with millions of > pounds of nitrogen-based fertilizer. And when that > nitrogen runs off fields in Corn Belt states, it makes > its way to the Mississippi River and eventually pours > into the Gulf, where it contributes to a growing "dead > zone" - a 7,900-square-mile patch so depleted of oxygen > that fish, crabs and shrimp suffocate. > > http://tinyurl.com/39k8cp > "Ron Paul has the least favorable position on alternative energy. He believes the American economy will continue to depend on oil in the foreseeable future. He is putting alternative energy on the back burner, and instead focusing on increasing the number of domestic refineries." Additionally, Ron Paul has opposed every bill supporting alternative energy investment because Paul believes that the best way for any technology to advance is to let private researchers do their work unencumbeed by the federal grant system. http://tinyurl.com/2nbta2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scripture Supports Oral Sex. Whew!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And exactly how did "the more accepted ideas on the subject" get to be just that? What kind of expertise went into that? What were the underlying philosophical assumptions? Can anyone gain that expertise? Or are sacred texts to be protected from the eyes of fools? Who shall judge? Like any other knowledge, the expertise of any subject has to come from a certain tradition or previous body of analysis on a particular issue. This requires the inquirer to know this tradition and the methods that were used to make the analyses. From this line of reasoning, the inquirer can either agree with the previous conclusion. If he or she does not agree with the line of reasoning, then the inquirer can present the new arguments to support the conclusion. Specifically, St. John of the Cross was a Spanish monk who wrote some verses that were similar to the Song of Solomon. He spoke of a loving relationship between two individuals. At first glance, it could be interpreted as a medieval version of the present day romance novels. But at a deeper sense, the writer was trying to convey a relationship between the Creator and the individual human being. Similarly, the Catholic Church has interpreted the Song of Solomon to be a dialogue between the Church and the faithful. Anyone can gain this expertise depending on his or her interest in the subject. However, it would still take time and discipline to learn all of the bodies of knowledge necessary to make a reasonable argument. The sacred texts are open to everyone who is interested to know. The judge (perhaps, evaluators would be a better word) will be the teachers and those who have gained the expertise. It is interesting to note that St. Thomas Aquinas later concluded that his own voluminous writings, based on the known sciences at the time, were worthless after he attained enlightenment, or "understanding", later in his life. > > Prolly not someone like me who's read too much criticism. Or who thinks elephants are kinder animals than we are, with the exception of Edg, of course. > > John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One has to be careful in interpreting scriptural passages without > consulting the more accepted ideas on the subject. Otherwise, a > person can miss the true meaning of the books in the bible, > particularly the Song of Solomon. > > It is unfortunate that this kind of interpretation can lead to > unusual ideas such as the one written by Von Daniken many years ago > about extraterrestrials visiting Earth as described in the Book of > Ezekiel. > > If the point of this post is entertainment, then you've made your > case clear. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I love this. I have the Skeptics Guide to the Bible which > categorizes > > stuff like this. Most people are s selective with their > scriptures. > > > > Funny, profound, what more can you ask of a post. And on the Lord's > > day no less! Nice one New! > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > What the Bible says about Oral Sex > > > > > > Song of Solomon 2:3 > > > As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my > beloved > > > among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, > and > > > his fruit was sweet to my taste. > > > > > > Song of Solomon 4:16 > > > Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow > > > out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant > fruits. > > > > > > 1 Corinthians 7:3 > > > Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and > likewise > > > also the wife unto the husband. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > I am not clear about the slavery thing though > > > > > > What the Bible says about Slavery > > > > > > Exodus 21:2 > > > If thou buy an Hebrew servant > > > > > > Exodus 21:7 > > > If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant > > > > > > Exodus 21:20-21 > > > And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and > he > > > die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, > if > > > he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his > money. > > > > > > Exodus 22:3 > > > If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. > > > > > > Leviticus 22:11 > > > If the priest buy any soul with his money > > > > > > Leviticus 25:39 > > > And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be > > > sold unto thee > > > > > > Leviticus 25:44-46 > > > Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, > shall > > > be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy > > > bondmen and bondmaid
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > I know that not being able to convince me > > of this may not quite fit with your claims > > about the awesome power you have over me, > > No, no, Barry. You're confusing my claims with > your fantasies. "The reason I have such power over you, Barry..." - Judy Stein, just a few minutes ago, in post #158029, now trying to wriggle out of having said it. Judy, you're not powerful, and you're not in control of anyone, let alone yourself. You'll be out of posts in another day, possibly less. I guess that's just another one of your ways of having power over me and all the other folks you look down upon here on FFL, eh? :-) http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/RoleModels.htm Look at the photograph, Judy. That's not you making a face, that IS your face. What you are shows in this photo all too clearly. And it shows equally clearly in the other one you posted to FFL, the one you thought you looked good in. As far as I can tell, what you're so angry about is not what you see in me, but what you see in the mirror.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
> > So you're not scared of the terrorists. What scares me > > are people like you that aren't scared and don't even > > realize who their enemies are. > > Bhairitu wrote: > I'm more likely to be shot by a right-wing wacko than > a Muslim in this country. > You chances of getting shot are probably very minimal, but you do apparently live close to Oakland, CA. So, you're thinking that Muslims aren't mostly right-wing wackos in this country? > My enemies are those who want to take away my freedoms and > right now that looks more like the Bush administration than > any foreign terrorist to me. > So, you're thinking that right-wing Muslim wackos don't want to take away your freedoms. And you're thinking that the Bush administration wants to take away more of your freedoms than HAMAS, Hesballah, the Taliban, or the Tigers of Tamil Elam. Now that's scary! > > It's scary that an adult, who seems to have some smarts, > > would fall for some cheap internet conspiracy theory when > > the terrorists are at your own gate. It's scary that you > > don't want to even protect the borders of your own > > country. > > > You must check under your bed every night? > Don't you? Around here it is common sense to lock your doors AND check under your bed every night. And it's common sense to have a secure border in order to keep out the illegals. So, I don't exactly get your point: that we should not secure our borders because you're afraid that would take away some of your freedoms? So, you're thinking that we should NOT secure our borders and that then you would not have to look under your bed and not have to lock your doors. I guess I don't get it. > > It's really weird that you'd get angry at your elected > > leaders instead of angry at the terrorists who actually > > did the bombing. You don't seem to be too angry at the > > ETA, HAMAS, Hesbolla, or the Tigers of Tamil Elam. > > > How do you know for sure these *aren't* false flag incidents? > So, you're not angry at the real terrorists, you're angry that there could be some false-flag incidents. But not all of the attacks could be false-flag incidents. So, shouldn't you be angry at the real incidents? > Those have happened throughout history. When Bollywood does > films about terrorists it often turns out the terrorists were > manipulated by business interests to their advantage in a deal > where they were going to make a lot of money. Bollywood seems > to know they can't just leave it at the level of the terrorists > and have Indians buy the story. > > > > Do you have any evidence that the "NeoCons" or the CIA > > bombed the Madrid train? > > > No, but neither do you have hard evidence that terrorists did > the bombing either. > Well, yes, the Spanish police found some undetonated bombs on some trains, that were planted there by the terrorists. So, I guess that if someone planted a bomb on a train, that would be evidence that they were terrorists, whether they were planted there by the CIA or by the misfit militants.
[FairfieldLife] Iowa pollutes the Gulf
"JEFFERSON, Iowa (AP) -- Because of rising demand for ethanol, American farmers are growing more corn than at any time since World War II. And sea life in the Gulf of Mexico is paying the price. The nation's corn crop is fertilized with millions of pounds of nitrogen-based fertilizer. And when that nitrogen runs off fields in Corn Belt states, it makes its way to the Mississippi River and eventually pours into the Gulf, where it contributes to a growing "dead zone" - a 7,900-square-mile patch so depleted of oxygen that fish, crabs and shrimp suffocate. http://tinyurl.com/39k8cp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Isn't it obvious that we have "the best enemies money can buy?" The cold war was created so that there would be an enemy so that there could be arms sales. To create that war was the specific first assigned task of Reinhart (pure heart) Gehlen and Theodore (gift of God) Shakley when they went to Berlin. That enemy vanished with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we needed a new one: Terrorists fit the bill. Terrorists will get old too, and more quickly than the Soviet Union since Americans appear to be waking up. The whole thing goes back to the Hegelian dialectic which was invented when the divine right of kings no longer seemed a reasonable claim to make for rulership. Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: >>> You sound really scared. >>> >>> > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Angry, not scared, as well I should be as should any >> sane American should be angry. >> >> > So you're not scared of the terrorists. What scares me > are people like you that aren't scared and don't even > realize who their enemies are. > You have nothing to fear but fear itself. I'm more likely to be shot by a right-wing wacko than a Muslim in this country. My enemies are those who want to take away my freedoms and right now that looks more like the Bush administration than any foreign terrorist to me. > >> Aren't you angry about the abuses to your rights are >> do you just gulp down the NeoCon kool-aid by the >> pitcher-fulls? >> >> > Sometimes I get angry when people like you attempt to > mislead by trying to make us think that it's all the > fault of the U.S. that terrorists bombed the Madrid train > and that the CIA bombed trains all over Europe. > > It's scary that an adult, who seems to have some smarts, > would fall for some cheap internet conspiracy theory when > the terrorists are at your own gate. It's scary that you > don't want to even protect the borders of your own > country. > You must check under your bed every night? Why are you so scared? I guess BushCo has been successful in programming you the way they want. > It's really weird that you'd get angry at your elected > leaders instead of angry at the terrorists who actually > did the bombing. You don't seem to be too angry at the > ETA, HAMAS, Hesbolla, or the Tigers of Tamil Elam. > How do you know for sure these *aren't* false flag incidents? Those have happened throughout history. When Bollywood does films about terrorists it often turns out the terrorists were manipulated by business interests to their advantage in a deal where they were going to make a lot of money. Bollywood seems to know they can't just leave it at the level of the terrorists and have Indians buy the story. > > >> The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the >> Spaniards elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing >> their nose at the NWO. >> >> > Do you have any evidence that the "NeoCons" or the CIA > bombed the Madrid train? No, but neither do you have hard evidence that terrorists did the bombing either. The timing is rather suspect. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Right, the CIA is gonna admit to their secret operations. I told you, look beyond wiki "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: > Like I said, research Operation Gladio at some depth > and beyond the Internet for sure. > I'll ask Alex Jones about this the next time I'm in Austin. > I don't have time to do a patriot's work for you. > How much time does it take to post a Wikipedia link? The neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed: "Furthermore, the US State Department published a communiquee in January 2006 which, while admitting the existence of Gladio stay-behind units, dismissed any role in any false flag attack. It also claimed that several of the researchers have been influenced by the Westmoreland Field Manual, which it alleged was a forgery made by the Soviet Union." Operation Gladio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Richard J. Williams wrote: >>> You sound really scared. >>> >>> > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Angry, not scared, as well I should be as should any >> sane American should be angry. >> >> > So you're not scared of the terrorists. What scares me > are people like you that aren't scared and don't even > realize who their enemies are. > You have nothing to fear but fear itself. I'm more likely to be shot by a right-wing wacko than a Muslim in this country. My enemies are those who want to take away my freedoms and right now that looks more like the Bush administration than any foreign terrorist to me. > >> Aren't you angry about the abuses to your rights are >> do you just gulp down the NeoCon kool-aid by the >> pitcher-fulls? >> >> > Sometimes I get angry when people like you attempt to > mislead by trying to make us think that it's all the > fault of the U.S. that terrorists bombed the Madrid train > and that the CIA bombed trains all over Europe. > > It's scary that an adult, who seems to have some smarts, > would fall for some cheap internet conspiracy theory when > the terrorists are at your own gate. It's scary that you > don't want to even protect the borders of your own > country. > You must check under your bed every night? Why are you so scared? I guess BushCo has been successful in programming you the way they want. > It's really weird that you'd get angry at your elected > leaders instead of angry at the terrorists who actually > did the bombing. You don't seem to be too angry at the > ETA, HAMAS, Hesbolla, or the Tigers of Tamil Elam. > How do you know for sure these *aren't* false flag incidents? Those have happened throughout history. When Bollywood does films about terrorists it often turns out the terrorists were manipulated by business interests to their advantage in a deal where they were going to make a lot of money. Bollywood seems to know they can't just leave it at the level of the terrorists and have Indians buy the story. > > >> The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the >> Spaniards elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing >> their nose at the NWO. >> >> > Do you have any evidence that the "NeoCons" or the CIA > bombed the Madrid train? No, but neither do you have hard evidence that terrorists did the bombing either. The timing is rather suspect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Documentary about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend wants to know: > > > > Dear Rick, > > Two weeks ago or so, the History Channel aired a beautiful documentary on > Maharishi. I watched it on Google Video, but then it was taken down. Do you > know how I can get a copy of that video? Do you know anyone who has a copy? > > Thanks > > > > Does anyone have a link that still works? * This probably works, but it's an enormous 174MB download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/362atr > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 > 11:36 AM >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Do you think one mistake sums me up? Or anyone? Are you incapable of learning from the past since you impute this to everyone? I'm gonna go to heaven one day and Judy is gonna be wearing a St. Peter outfit and she's gonna say, "Can't come to heaven since you once forgot to check with urban legends go to hell where you belong." And I'm gonna say, "Sorry, my mistake, I should have known. William Blake is in the fires of hell where I most definitely do belong also. authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We do have the reputation all over the world as being politically naive beyond belief. That reputation doesn't come from nowhere. Do you think any of it might come from those who think the Voting Rights Act is all that stands between black people and disenfranchisement, or who believe the CIA is "censoring" Wikipedia, or that Wagner's librettos were "fascist propaganda"? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Angela Mailander wrote: > Like I said, research Operation Gladio at some depth > and beyond the Internet for sure. > I'll ask Alex Jones about this the next time I'm in Austin. > I don't have time to do a patriot's work for you. > How much time does it take to post a Wikipedia link? The neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed: "Furthermore, the US State Department published a communiquee in January 2006 which, while admitting the existence of Gladio stay-behind units, dismissed any role in any false flag attack. It also claimed that several of the researchers have been influenced by the Westmoreland Field Manual, which it alleged was a forgery made by the Soviet Union." Operation Gladio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
TurquoiseB wrote: > > Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since > > the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the > > mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, > > and after that they've had time *get back to living > > their lives*. > > Judy wrote: > Seems to me that since the terrorism threat is so > new in the U.S.--unlike in Europe, as you note-- > we ought to be given a little time to get used to > it before we're called idiots for thinking about it. > > It has also been rather more of a shock to us > given that we've supposedly been protected by the > oceans; plus which, the first major attack here > was a particularly spectacular and deadly one, > and it came as a complete surprise to most people. > > > Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make > > them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*. > > If there haven't been any such idiots in Europe for > years and years, that should mean terrorism no > longer works there. > > You'd think the terrorists would have given up on > attacks in Europe, then. But that seems not to be > the case, does it? > No, and if what Barry says about open borders in Spain it's just a matter of time before another attack occurs. It seems to me that only an idiot would not have any security system to prevent attacks, considering that the Madrid attack was the only Islamist terrorist act in the history of Europe where international Islamists collaborated with non-Muslims. "Unguarded U.S. borders are most certainly in terrorist playbooks as a means of entering the country. Since the late 1990s, at least a dozen confirmed terrorists have sneaked over U.S. borders, including operatives from Hezbollah, Hamas, the Tamil Tigers and one Al Qaida terrorist once No. 27 on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist list." Read more: 'Breaching America' Posted by Scott Mirengoff Powerline, December 9, 2007 http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/018175.php
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Judy wrote: "BWAHAHAHAHA! !!" A brilliant and well thought out response. authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you look for real evidence or just propaganda? Have you seen the recent evidence that wikipedia is censored by the CIA? (and who could be surprised?). BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Certainly not somebody who believed that black people would no longer be able to vote in this country if the Voting Rights Act were allowed to expire... From the BBC: An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organisations that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in editing entries On the profile of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the tool indicates that a worker on the CIA network reportedly added the exclamation "Wahh!" before a section on the leader's plans for his presidency. A warning on the profile of the anonymous editor reads: "You have recently vandalised a Wikipedia article, and you are now being asked to stop this type of behaviour."... Other changes that have been made are more innocuous, and include tweaks to the profile of former CIA chief Porter Goss and celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm Wired.com adds more frightening detail on the CIA's "censorship": The vast majority of changes are fairly innocuous, however. Employees at the CIA's net address, for example, have been busy -- but with little that would indicate their place of apparent employment, or a particular bias. One entry on "Black September in Jordan" contains wholesale additions, with specific details that read like a popular history book or an eyewitness' memoir. Many more are simple copy edits, or additions to local town entries or school histories. One CIA entry deals with the details of lyrics sung in a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode. http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker http://tinyurl.com/36k9a6 Other entities apparently helping the CIA "censor" Wikipedia in this manner include the Democratic Party, Diebold, the Vatican, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, and U.S. congressional staff. Good thing Angela knows the difference between "real evidence" and "propaganda," eh? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We do have the reputation all over the world as being politically naive beyond belief. That reputation doesn't come from nowhere. Do you think any of it might come from those who think the Voting Rights Act is all that stands between black people and disenfranchisement, or who believe the CIA is "censoring" Wikipedia, or that Wagner's librettos were "fascist propaganda"?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that not being able to convince me > of this may not quite fit with your claims > about the awesome power you have over me, No, no, Barry. You're confusing my claims with your fantasies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you look for real evidence or just propaganda? Have you seen the recent evidence that wikipedia is censored by the CIA? (and who could be surprised?). BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Certainly not somebody who believed that black people would no longer be able to vote in this country if the Voting Rights Act were allowed to expire... >From the BBC: An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organisations that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in editing entries On the profile of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the tool indicates that a worker on the CIA network reportedly added the exclamation "Wahh!" before a section on the leader's plans for his presidency. A warning on the profile of the anonymous editor reads: "You have recently vandalised a Wikipedia article, and you are now being asked to stop this type of behaviour."... Other changes that have been made are more innocuous, and include tweaks to the profile of former CIA chief Porter Goss and celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm Wired.com adds more frightening detail on the CIA's "censorship": The vast majority of changes are fairly innocuous, however. Employees at the CIA's net address, for example, have been busy -- but with little that would indicate their place of apparent employment, or a particular bias. One entry on "Black September in Jordan" contains wholesale additions, with specific details that read like a popular history book or an eyewitness' memoir. Many more are simple copy edits, or additions to local town entries or school histories. One CIA entry deals with the details of lyrics sung in a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode. http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker http://tinyurl.com/36k9a6 Other entities apparently helping the CIA "censor" Wikipedia in this manner include the Democratic Party, Diebold, the Vatican, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, and U.S. congressional staff. Good thing Angela knows the difference between "real evidence" and "propaganda," eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Like I said, research Operation Gladio at some depth and beyond the Internet for sure. I don't have time to do a patriot's work for you. A true patriot doesn't have a Pollyanna vision of his own country's place in the world. That's for eighth grade history classes. "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: > a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust to a rock > Why is it so difficult to answer a simple question: 'Where can I see evidence that the CIA bombed train stations all over Europe? It would seem that that kind of news would be in the newspaper or at least Alex Jones would have said something about it on his radio show.' 590 KLBJ AM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLBJ_(AM) Usually every bombing is reported, especially those on trains and at train stations. I guess I'm Proust and Angela and the two Barry's are the rocks. BBC World Service: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Documentary about Maharishi
A friend wants to know: Dear Rick, Two weeks ago or so, the History Channel aired a beautiful documentary on Maharishi. I watched it on Google Video, but then it was taken down. Do you know how I can get a copy of that video? Do you know anyone who has a copy? Thanks Does anyone have a link that still works? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Angela Mailander wrote: > a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust to a rock > Why is it so difficult to answer a simple question: 'Where can I see evidence that the CIA bombed train stations all over Europe? It would seem that that kind of news would be in the newspaper or at least Alex Jones would have said something about it on his radio show.' 590 KLBJ AM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLBJ_(AM) Usually every bombing is reported, especially those on trains and at train stations. I guess I'm Proust and Angela and the two Barry's are the rocks. BBC World Service: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
We do have the reputation all over the world as being politically naive beyond belief. That reputation doesn't come from nowhere. TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The bottom line I was trying to express to Willytex, > > however -- a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust > > to a rock -- is that there is *zero* fear of terror- > > ism in Spain as far as I can tell. The local people > > *never* think about it, and laugh at the American > > tourists who seem to think about it all the time > > > Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since > > the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the > > mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, > > and after that they've had time *get back to living > > their lives*. > > Seems to me that since the terrorism threat is so > new in the U.S.--unlike in Europe, as you note-- > we ought to be given a little time to get used to > it before we're called idiots for thinking about it. I know that not being able to convince me of this may not quite fit with your claims about the awesome power you have over me, but I'm gonna stick with Americans as idiots. :-) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The bottom line I was trying to express to Willytex, > > however -- a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust > > to a rock -- is that there is *zero* fear of terror- > > ism in Spain as far as I can tell. The local people > > *never* think about it, and laugh at the American > > tourists who seem to think about it all the time > > > Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since > > the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the > > mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, > > and after that they've had time *get back to living > > their lives*. > > Seems to me that since the terrorism threat is so > new in the U.S.--unlike in Europe, as you note-- > we ought to be given a little time to get used to > it before we're called idiots for thinking about it. I know that not being able to convince me of this may not quite fit with your claims about the awesome power you have over me, but I'm gonna stick with Americans as idiots. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bottom line I was trying to express to Willytex, > however -- a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust > to a rock -- is that there is *zero* fear of terror- > ism in Spain as far as I can tell. The local people > *never* think about it, and laugh at the American > tourists who seem to think about it all the time > Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since > the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the > mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, > and after that they've had time *get back to living > their lives*. Seems to me that since the terrorism threat is so new in the U.S.--unlike in Europe, as you note-- we ought to be given a little time to get used to it before we're called idiots for thinking about it. It has also been rather more of a shock to us given that we've supposedly been protected by the oceans; plus which, the first major attack here was a particularly spectacular and deadly one, and it came as a complete surprise to most people. > Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make > them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*. If there haven't been any such idiots in Europe for years and years, that should mean terrorism no longer works there. You'd think the terrorists would have given up on attacks in Europe, then. But that seems not to be the case, does it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust to a rock That's the best line of the week so far. TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the Spaniards > elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing their nose at > the NWO. Uh, not quite. The incumbents were probably going to win the election, but then after the bombing (and shortly before the election), they decided to try to blame the bombing on a Basque separatist group that had nothing to do with it. When it came out that it was al Queda types pissed off that Spain had sent troops to Iraq after its voters had expressly told the government that they didn't want them to in the *last* election, and that the leaders of that *same* government that had ignored the wishes of the voters last time were now *lying* to the public, the voters voted them out muy pronto. The bottom line I was trying to express to Willytex, however -- a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust to a rock -- is that there is *zero* fear of terror- ism in Spain as far as I can tell. The local people *never* think about it, and laugh at the American tourists who seem to think about it all the time and are terrified to share a bar counter with a person of Middle Eastern heritage. (True...I've seen it happen several times since I've been here...the dumb Americans look over, see someone with dark skin and Arab features, and almost *run* out of the bar, leaving dozens of locals and European tourists laughing at them and buying the Moroccan guy at the bar's drinks for the rest of the night to thank him for ridding them of annoying pests.) Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, and after that they've had time *get back to living their lives*. Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Research Operation Gladio beyond the wikipedia entry. Read books like "The Shock Doctrine. Talk to Chinese who will trust you in a conversation about the history of Europe. Get the whole picture instead of being hung up on small pieces of evidence. If you are so patriotic, you'd be willing to die for your country and you'd understand something like "collateral damage," which is how a military mind would see 9/11 as an inside job. Understand why your rights are being taken away beyond the official story available to the so-called masses. "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: > And if it is true that the CIA planted false flag bombs > all over Europe... > Angela, I'm just not following your logic. Where, exactly, can I read about any CIA bombing of trains or train stations in Europe? > > Alex Jones in Austin didn't say anything about the CIA and > > the Madrid bombings: > > > > Alex Jones: > > > > http://www.infowars.com/index.html > > > > > But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed > > > do many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous > > > post)... > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
TurquoiseB wrote: > Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make > them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*. > So, you're saying that only idiots are afraid that Spain's open borders might allow terrorists to slip in and plant another bomb on a train in Madrid? So, because the Spainards were not afraid, they retreated and pulled their troops out of Iraq, and they are so unafraid that they will not contribute troops to NATO to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, but they run like hell from a few bulls. "In France, the Vigipirate plan was upgraded to orange level. In Italy, the Government declared a state of high alert." '2004 Madrid train bombings' http://tinyurl.com/2v4yqq "Spontaneous demonstrations, largely directed against ETA, broke out across Spain on March 11 as the news of the attack became known, in advance of scheduled demonstrations set for the following day at 19:00." http://tinyurl.com/227okm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
> > You sound really scared. > > Bhairitu wrote: > Angry, not scared, as well I should be as should any > sane American should be angry. > So you're not scared of the terrorists. What scares me are people like you that aren't scared and don't even realize who their enemies are. > Aren't you angry about the abuses to your rights are > do you just gulp down the NeoCon kool-aid by the > pitcher-fulls? > Sometimes I get angry when people like you attempt to mislead by trying to make us think that it's all the fault of the U.S. that terrorists bombed the Madrid train and that the CIA bombed trains all over Europe. It's scary that an adult, who seems to have some smarts, would fall for some cheap internet conspiracy theory when the terrorists are at your own gate. It's scary that you don't want to even protect the borders of your own country. It's really weird that you'd get angry at your elected leaders instead of angry at the terrorists who actually did the bombing. You don't seem to be too angry at the ETA, HAMAS, Hesbolla, or the Tigers of Tamil Elam. > The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the > Spaniards elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing > their nose at the NWO. > Do you have any evidence that the "NeoCons" or the CIA bombed the Madrid train? "Unguarded U.S. borders are most certainly in terrorist playbooks as a means of entering the country. Since the late 1990s, at least a dozen confirmed terrorists have sneaked over U.S. borders, including operatives from Hezbollah, Hamas, the Tamil Tigers and one Al Qaida terrorist once No. 27 on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist list." Read more: 'Breaching America' Posted by Scott Mirengoff Powerline, December 9, 2007 http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/018175.php
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the Spaniards > elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing their nose at > the NWO. Uh, not quite. The incumbents were probably going to win the election, but then after the bombing (and shortly before the election), they decided to try to blame the bombing on a Basque separatist group that had nothing to do with it. When it came out that it was al Queda types pissed off that Spain had sent troops to Iraq after its voters had expressly told the government that they didn't want them to in the *last* election, and that the leaders of that *same* government that had ignored the wishes of the voters last time were now *lying* to the public, the voters voted them out muy pronto. The bottom line I was trying to express to Willytex, however -- a task nigh unto trying to explain Proust to a rock -- is that there is *zero* fear of terror- ism in Spain as far as I can tell. The local people *never* think about it, and laugh at the American tourists who seem to think about it all the time and are terrified to share a bar counter with a person of Middle Eastern heritage. (True...I've seen it happen several times since I've been here...the dumb Americans look over, see someone with dark skin and Arab features, and almost *run* out of the bar, leaving dozens of locals and European tourists laughing at them and buying the Moroccan guy at the bar's drinks for the rest of the night to thank him for ridding them of annoying pests.) Europe has lived with the threat of terrorism since the 1950's. They've had time to make most of the mistakes that countries can make and learn from them, and after that they've had time *get back to living their lives*. Only idiots allow the threat of terrorism to make them afraid. That's what makes terrorism *work*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Angela Mailander wrote: > And if it is true that the CIA planted false flag bombs > all over Europe... > Angela, I'm just not following your logic. Where, exactly, can I read about any CIA bombing of trains or train stations in Europe? > > Alex Jones in Austin didn't say anything about the CIA and > > the Madrid bombings: > > > > Alex Jones: > > > > http://www.infowars.com/index.html > > > > > But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed > > > do many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous > > > post)... > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Richard J. Williams wrote: > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Let's just say it is obvious that the Bush >> administration would have much to gain by >> putting other countries into a state of fear >> to achieve their goals. >> >> > So, you're saying that it is obvious the Bush administration > put a lot of fear into Spain when the CIA bombed the Madrid > train station and other train stations all over Europe. > > So much fear that the Spanish government sent troops to Iraq > to fight the terrorists in order to help the U.S. achieve its > goals. But that nobody, not even Alex Jones, knows anything > about it, except you and Angela and Barry says that Spain > has open borders. > > >> They do it openly in the US all the time. >> >> > You sound really scared. Angry, not scared, as well I should be as should any sane American should be angry. Aren't you angry about the abuses to your rights are do you just gulp down the NeoCon kool-aid by the pitcher-fulls? The Madrid bombing backfired on the NeoCons as the Spaniards elected a socialist candidate anyway thumbing their nose at the NWO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scripture Supports Oral Sex. Whew!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point is a quite straightforward and serious one. Making points in > entertaining ways does not diminish their import. Christian, Judaic > and Hindu scripture, at times, promotes war, violence, barbarious > actions, spite, slavery, subjugation of women, racism, classism, > irrationalism, dogma, supersition and fantastic fairy tales. This is the reason why it needs an intelligent and sane person to interpret the meanings of any scriptural passages, regardless of cultural affiliation. He or she has to look at it from the historical, philosophical and theological points of view. For example, the Shrimad Bhagavatam describes how Krishna got involved in killing all of his relatives. Does this mean that Hindus should do the same? Practically speaking, the answer is NO. I have an opinion about this particular point. But that's another issue for discussion. > I am simply asking, in my way, how grand proponents of such scriptures > can cite scriptural authority for select passages that they favor, > that are consistent with their egos an beliefs, but ignore or dismiss > quite vile ones. Very true. That's why these ideas need to be presented to the public for discussion. As such, the passages can be dissected to interpret the true meaning as understood by reasonable human beings. > Some might point to FFL's masthead "Take what you need and leave the > rest." I am not sure how one does that with scripture. This is the > word of God, purportedly. One believes some things GOD says, but not > others? Thats heresy and opportunism, not religion and spirituality. > > Bottom line: when scriptures say such vile things, and promote such > horrid practices, how can any intelligent, truth seeking, and > compassionate person stand to have anything to do with them -- or the > social structures they support? In my opinion, the books in the bible were written by human beings like Moses and the other prophets and disciples of Jesus. This does not mean that a Supreme Being was not involved in the process. We can argue that Moses and the other wisdom writers were inspired by a universal intelligence, i.e. God, the Creator, the Unified Field. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > One has to be careful in interpreting scriptural passages without > > consulting the more accepted ideas on the subject. Otherwise, a > > person can miss the true meaning of the books in the bible, > > particularly the Song of Solomon. > > > > It is unfortunate that this kind of interpretation can lead to > > unusual ideas such as the one written by Von Daniken many years ago > > about extraterrestrials visiting Earth as described in the Book of > > Ezekiel. > > > > If the point of this post is entertainment, then you've made your > > case clear. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > I love this. I have the Skeptics Guide to the Bible which > > categorizes > > > stuff like this. Most people are s selective with their > > scriptures. > > > > > > Funny, profound, what more can you ask of a post. And on the Lord's > > > day no less! Nice one New! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > > > What the Bible says about Oral Sex > > > > > > > > Song of Solomon 2:3 > > > > As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my > > beloved > > > > among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, > > and > > > > his fruit was sweet to my taste. > > > > > > > > Song of Solomon 4:16 > > > > Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow > > > > out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant > > fruits. > > > > > > > > 1 Corinthians 7:3 > > > > Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and > > likewise > > > > also the wife unto the husband. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not clear about the slavery thing though > > > > > > > > What the Bible says about Slavery > > > > > > > > Exodus 21:2 > > > > If thou buy an Hebrew servant > > > > > > > > Exodus 21:7 > > > > If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant > > > > > > > > Exodus 21:20-21 > > > > And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and > > he > > > > die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, > > if > > > > he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his > > money. > > > > > > > > Exodus 22:3 > > > > If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. > > > > > > > > Leviticus 22:11 > > > > If the priest buy any soul with his money > > > > > > > > Leviticus 25:39 > > > > And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be > > > > sold unto thee > > > > > > > > Levi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Do you look for real evidence or just propaganda? Have you seen the recent evidence that wikipedia is censored by the CIA? (and who could be surprised?). I never got a reply from you for the post in which I told you that real patriotism would have us know the truth. And if it is true that the CIA planted false flag bombs all over Europe, does that automatically mean they were wrong to do so in a world in which survival of the fittest seems to be the rule by which we all live--all except Edg, that is. And thank God for his perspective. "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > Angela Mailander wrote: > No, I do not. > Well, I didn't think so, and it's not mentioned at Wikipedia on the link I posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings Alex Jones in Austin didn't say anything about the CIA and the Madrid bombings: Alex Jones: http://www.infowars.com/index.html > But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed > do many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous > post), > What evidence would that be, the the CIA bombed train stations all over Europe? > and, as a result, it is difficult to say, if they were > involved in that particular one or not, which is all I > said to begin with. > All I can say is that it's not difficult to say that most of your conspiracy theories are unfounded. I've found no evidence that the CIA helped bomb the train in Madrid. But is it safe to say that terrorists who did the Madrid train bombing got into Spain because Spain has open borders? Angela Mailander wrote: > > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > > the CIA or the "terrorists." > > > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > > > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Dr. Paul breaks record fundraising of both parties
Dr. Paul breaks one day record fundraising of both parties: December 16th one day grassroots fundraising. His campaign did not organise the fundraising and Dr, Paul never picked up a phone or did any fundraising to raise the money. Record $6 million+ in one day. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Public Meeting: "Who is Ron Paul?"
Wednesday, December 19, 7:30 PM Fairfield Public Library Please join us at the Fairfield Public Library at 7.30pm for an evening of inspiration on Dr Ron Paul. We'll have Clyde Cleveland and Ed Noyes speaking as well as video highlights of Dr Ron Paul. Clyde and Ed have both previously run for public office in Iowa as Libertarian candidates and co-authored the book: "ReStoring the heart of America". The reviews of this book include: US Congressman Ron Paul: "A well-articulated and very positive description of what will happen when we return to the fundamental, and eternally valid principles upon which this country was founded." Gary E. Johnson, Governor of the State of New Mexico: "Remembering what America was yesterday strengthens the foundation we stand on today. Cleveland and Noyes have recaptured the passion and vision of our Founding Fathers; retracing politics back to morality, civility and a government for the people." Please join us for a celebration of hope for the nation and the world that we could have such a leadership based on the such deep principles and eternal truths. Learn more here: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/267/calendar/6928203/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > I've told you a hundred times, Judy. I LOVE it > > when you get hysterical and go on like this. It's > > WHY I push your buttons, so that you WILL go on > > like this. Does that really strike you as someone > > trying to "silence" you? > > Do you really strike me as someone who's been > desperately trying to silence me for *years* and > is pretending he loves being continually exposed > as the phony he is? > > Yes indeedy doody. Whatever floats your boat. Be silent about this: http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/RoleModels.htm :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Bhairitu wrote: > Let's just say it is obvious that the Bush > administration would have much to gain by > putting other countries into a state of fear > to achieve their goals. > So, you're saying that it is obvious the Bush administration put a lot of fear into Spain when the CIA bombed the Madrid train station and other train stations all over Europe. So much fear that the Spanish government sent troops to Iraq to fight the terrorists in order to help the U.S. achieve its goals. But that nobody, not even Alex Jones, knows anything about it, except you and Angela and Barry says that Spain has open borders. > They do it openly in the US all the time. > You sound really scared. Angela Mailander wrote: > > No, I do not. But I do have excellent evidence that > > the CIA did indeed do many such bombings all over Europe... > > > > > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > > > in the Madrid bombings? > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
> So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > Angela Mailander wrote: > No, I do not. > Well, I didn't think so, and it's not mentioned at Wikipedia on the link I posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings Alex Jones in Austin didn't say anything about the CIA and the Madrid bombings: Alex Jones: http://www.infowars.com/index.html > But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed > do many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous > post), > What evidence would that be, the the CIA bombed train stations all over Europe? > and, as a result, it is difficult to say, if they were > involved in that particular one or not, which is all I > said to begin with. > All I can say is that it's not difficult to say that most of your conspiracy theories are unfounded. I've found no evidence that the CIA helped bomb the train in Madrid. But is it safe to say that terrorists who did the Madrid train bombing got into Spain because Spain has open borders? Angela Mailander wrote: > > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > > the CIA or the "terrorists." > > > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > > > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Indeed, and that's been an M.O. for longer than Naomi Klein says in "The Shock Doctrine." Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's just say it is obvious that the Bush administration would have much to gain by putting other countries into a state of fear to achieve their goals. They do it openly in the US all the time. Angela Mailander wrote: > No, I do not. But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed do > many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous post), and, as a result, > it is difficult to say, if they were involved in that particular one or not, > which is all I said to begin with. > > "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Angela Mailander wrote: > > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > > the CIA or the "terrorists." > > > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > > > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scripture Supports Oral Sex. Whew!
And exactly how did "the more accepted ideas on the subject" get to be just that? What kind of expertise went into that? What were the underlying philosophical assumptions? Can anyone gain that expertise? Or are sacred texts to be protected from the eyes of fools? Who shall judge? Prolly not someone like me who's read too much criticism. Or who thinks elephants are kinder animals than we are, with the exception of Edg, of course. John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One has to be careful in interpreting scriptural passages without consulting the more accepted ideas on the subject. Otherwise, a person can miss the true meaning of the books in the bible, particularly the Song of Solomon. It is unfortunate that this kind of interpretation can lead to unusual ideas such as the one written by Von Daniken many years ago about extraterrestrials visiting Earth as described in the Book of Ezekiel. If the point of this post is entertainment, then you've made your case clear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I love this. I have the Skeptics Guide to the Bible which categorizes > stuff like this. Most people are s selective with their scriptures. > > Funny, profound, what more can you ask of a post. And on the Lord's > day no less! Nice one New! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > What the Bible says about Oral Sex > > > > Song of Solomon 2:3 > > As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved > > among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and > > his fruit was sweet to my taste. > > > > Song of Solomon 4:16 > > Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow > > out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits. > > > > 1 Corinthians 7:3 > > Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise > > also the wife unto the husband. > > > > -- > > > > > > I am not clear about the slavery thing though > > > > What the Bible says about Slavery > > > > Exodus 21:2 > > If thou buy an Hebrew servant > > > > Exodus 21:7 > > If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant > > > > Exodus 21:20-21 > > And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he > > die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if > > he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. > > > > Exodus 22:3 > > If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. > > > > Leviticus 22:11 > > If the priest buy any soul with his money > > > > Leviticus 25:39 > > And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be > > sold unto thee > > > > Leviticus 25:44-46 > > Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall > > be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy > > bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that > > do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that > > are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your > > possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children > > after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your > > bondmen for ever. > > > > Ephesians 6:5 > > Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to > > the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as > > unto Christ. > > > > Colossians 3:22 > > Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; > > not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, > > fearing God. > > > > 1 Timothy 6:1 > > Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters > > worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not > > blasphemed. > > > > Titus 2:9-10 > > Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to > > please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, > > but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God > > our Saviour in all things. > > > > 1 Peter 2:18 > > Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to > > the good and gentle, but also to the froward. > > > > --- > > > > And I guess I need to eat meat to be in Tune with God's Will > > > > > > What the Bible says about Vegetarians > > > > Acts 10:9-13 > > Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And > > he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made > > ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain > > vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the > > four corners, and let down to the earth: Wh
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Let's just say it is obvious that the Bush administration would have much to gain by putting other countries into a state of fear to achieve their goals. They do it openly in the US all the time. Angela Mailander wrote: > No, I do not. But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed do > many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous post), and, as a result, > it is difficult to say, if they were involved in that particular one or not, > which is all I said to begin with. > > "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Angela Mailander wrote: > > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > > the CIA or the "terrorists." > > > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved > in the Madrid bombings? > > > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
No, I do not. But I do have excellent evidence that the CIA did indeed do many such bombings all over Europe (see a previous post), and, as a result, it is difficult to say, if they were involved in that particular one or not, which is all I said to begin with. "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > the CIA or the "terrorists." > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved in the Madrid bombings? > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > Read more: > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Angela Mailander wrote: > But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, > the CIA or the "terrorists." > So, do you have any evidence that the CIA was involved in the Madrid bombings? > > "The total number of victims was higher than in > > any other terrorist attack in Spain..." > > > > Read more: > > > > '2004 Madrid train bombings' > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
> Spain has pretty much open borders. > Angela Mailander wrote: > Nero, the cruellest bastard that ever lived... > Speaking of sanity and open borders, how many European countries have open borders? "In much of Western Europe, he is remembered as the epitome of cruelty and rapacity." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_the_Hun
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
But we can't be sure who actually did the bombing, the CIA or the "terrorists." "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: > Spain has pretty much open borders. > > That's how a sane country reacts to terrorism. > Yeah, sure, Barry, whatever you say. "The total number of victims was higher than in any other terrorist attack in Spain..." Read more: '2004 Madrid train bombings' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
TurquoiseB wrote: > Spain has pretty much open borders. > > That's how a sane country reacts to terrorism. > Yeah, sure, Barry, whatever you say. "The total number of victims was higher than in any other terrorist attack in Spain..." Read more: '2004 Madrid train bombings' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Srivastava Mafia's Cut - Florida Land??
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Srivastava Mafia's Cut - Florida Land?? Speaking of which, does anyone, perhaps someone in Florida, know about the sale of the Vedaland land in Florida? I hear rumours it's about to be sold for about $170 million, but have no good source on it. I'm curious because because Vedaland went bankrupt and all its investors lost 100% of their investment, but apparently the TMO actually bought and owns the land in Florida that was to be used for Vedaland, and they're about to make a killing on it. I'd like to understand how that happened - not that I'm surprised it did. Note -- MMY was personally involved in a couple of the Vedaland fundraising phone calls to Canada and the US and MMY promised everyone that they would become rich if they invested in Vedaland. Another fun trick the TMO has used on several occasions is to have local sidhas raise the money for a TM Center, telling them it would be a permanent home for the movement in their area, then sell the building a few years later, move the money overseas, and tell the locals they have to raise more money if they want another one. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HA Such an honor. Peter Sellers indeed. I always knew I was > strange, but strange and kinky is even better. Thanks again. TOmT Well, you do seem to "like to watch" and unlike many here only say something when you've actually got something to say, so I could say that that reminded me of Chance the gardener. But I have to fess up here -- my casting choices were really not my own. As she said herself, Judy has such awesome power over me that she made me do it. After casting herself as Big Nurse I suspect she felt sated and went easy on you. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Srivastava Mafia's Cut - Florida Land??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- suziezuzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how much 'cut' goes to the > > Srivastava mafia.?? > > > > > > Maharishi wants to build 13 Tallest > > buildings around the > > world. The Srivastava familiy probably has enough > > funds to build it > > without any outside help.?? > > > > An even better question is, what will be the > > relationship of the TMO > > run by the Rajas, the fianancial arrangements with > > the Srivastava > > family when MMY experiences maha samadhi? > > All the money will go back to India. A royal fire sale > of all holdings outside India. Every man for himself > and the ausuras win...it is kali yuga you know! ;-) Speaking of which, does anyone, perhaps someone in Florida, know about the sale of the Vedaland land in Florida? I hear rumours it's about to be sold for about $170 million, but have no good source on it. I'm curious because because Vedaland went bankrupt and all its investors lost 100% of their investment, but apparently the TMO actually bought and owns the land in Florida that was to be used for Vedaland, and they're about to make a killing on it. I'd like to understand how that happened - not that I'm surprised it did. Note -- MMY was personally involved in a couple of the Vedaland fundraising phone calls to Canada and the US and MMY promised everyone that they would become rich if they invested in Vedaland.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
Speaking of sanity: Nero, the cruellest bastard that ever lived could not bear to use elephants in the Roman arena because they got like Edg about harm being done to their brothers and sisters and daughters and sons and fathers and mothers. Even Nero could not bear to see their grief. Yet he had no problem using humans to do all kinds of horrid things to one another. On the other hand, have you seen the research on what happens to elephant "culture" when their habitat and sources of food are threatened? TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > Willytex will have nightmares for weeks. :-) > > The Mexicans are already here, Barry. But the problem isn't > Mexicans, and the problem isn't immigration. The problem is > illegal aliens. > . . . > You need to get some smarts, Barry: it is not very wise to have > insecure borders, in Texas or in Spain. You could get a bomb > up your ass any day from 'Euskadi Ta Askatasuna' (ETA). We > don't want any armed militants like Hexboallah coming in here > and blowing up a train or the Alamo Dome! You should *really* consider getting together with Judy, Richard. She believes that people are trying to silence her because of the awesome power she has over them, and you believe that people are trying to sneak over the border to blow you up. :-) Spain has pretty much open borders. I drove across them a few months ago with a truck full of my belongings and they didn't even stop me; they just waved me through. If I'd taken one of the lesser roads, there would not have even have been a border station *to* wave me through. That's how a sane country reacts to terrorism. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life:
HA Such an honor. Peter Sellers indeed. I always knew I was strange, but strange and kinky is even better. Thanks again. TOmT
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > Hmmm. Not only does Judy identify with these women, > and *clearly* look upon them as women who have an > incredible amount of power, she sees them as superior > to men and gloats over it. Uh, no, dear, they're just *people* who are more powerful than *you*. > I've told you a hundred times, Judy. I LOVE it > when you get hysterical and go on like this. It's > WHY I push your buttons, so that you WILL go on > like this. Does that really strike you as someone > trying to "silence" you? Do you really strike me as someone who's been desperately trying to silence me for *years* and is pretending he loves being continually exposed as the phony he is? Yes indeedy doody. > Uh huh. Hell, I'd bet that almost ALL the people > in your life that you've antagonized felt this way > about you, right? They ALL want to silence you > and destroy you, right? Nope, quite a few of them have actually been mature and rational about it. (Curtis, just as one example.) > And I suspect (since we're playing shrink here) > that your oft-mentioned father only gave you any > attention when you excelled at some intellectual > game. The only way you could *get* his attention > was to appear intellectually superior. So that's > the only way you ever *had* of getting the > attention you desired. Wrongaroonie. He took my intelligence as a given, not as anything that deserved special notice. I didn't even know I was particularly smart until I got into college. His attention was constant and unconditional (which is as it should be but too often isn't, leading me to suspect you're projecting again). > That's kinda sad, and I don't think I'm the only > person here who's noticed the phenomenon and felt > this sadness for you. I mean, Judy...just a few > days ago you pretty much *equated* intelligence > with being willing to *argue*, to attempt to "win" > those arguments, and thus to impose your beliefs > and ideas on others. In fact, I made a clear distinction between lacking intelligence, on one hand, and lacking the will and self-discipline to exercise one's intelligence in rigorous argument--as well as the ability to enjoy the engagement--on the other. What I pointed out--explicitly--was that I'm not any smarter than you. The differences are that I'm not intellectually lazy, and I relish engagement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > Willytex will have nightmares for weeks. :-) > > The Mexicans are already here, Barry. But the problem isn't > Mexicans, and the problem isn't immigration. The problem is > illegal aliens. > . . . > You need to get some smarts, Barry: it is not very wise to have > insecure borders, in Texas or in Spain. You could get a bomb > up your ass any day from 'Euskadi Ta Askatasuna' (ETA). We > don't want any armed militants like Hexboallah coming in here > and blowing up a train or the Alamo Dome! You should *really* consider getting together with Judy, Richard. She believes that people are trying to silence her because of the awesome power she has over them, and you believe that people are trying to sneak over the border to blow you up. :-) Spain has pretty much open borders. I drove across them a few months ago with a truck full of my belongings and they didn't even stop me; they just waved me through. If I'd taken one of the lesser roads, there would not have even have been a border station *to* wave me through. That's how a sane country reacts to terrorism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment hearings petition
> > > Bet he'll smile if Cheney gets impeached. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > How much would you be willing to wager? > > > That Wexler will smile if Cheney gets impeached? > That Wexler will smile if Cheney gets impeached. Instead, Wexler will probably cry because by then the U.S. would have lost the war because of people like Dennis who cut off the funding to U.S. troops when they were in battle. I can't think of a single congressional leader that would think losing the war would be funny. > You name the sum. > The bettor sets the wager amount. > > You need to face reality and stop this fantasy: > > the U.S. Vice-President is NOT going to be impeached > > when the U.S. is in a war. > > Maybe, maybe not. But if he is, it'll be *because* > we're in a war he dragged us into under false > pretenses (among many other malfeasances). > So, you think the U.S. is in a war. Nobody "dragged the U.S. into a war - that's another fantasy. The U.S. Congress voted to authorize the U.S. President to use force to stop the terrorists who declared war on us. Your congressional leaders wanted to protect the U.S. > > And considering that Dennis voted to go to war > > As you know, Kucinich did *not* vote to go to war. > He voted against the Authorization to Use Military > Force Against Iraq. > Apparently Barbara voted to oppose AUMF, not Dennis. But I note that you're not denying that Dennis voted to withhold funds from U.S. troops fighting the war. "Dennis Kucinich voted, along with 419 of his House colleagues, in favor of House Joint Resolution 64, also known as the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists' (AUMF). Only one Congresswoman opposed: Representative Barbara Lee." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
TurquoiseB wrote: > It's not a comedy; it's a tragedy. Americans > are so terrified of someone coming to "take > what's theirs" that they're imprisoning them- > selves behind a 50-foot-high fence. > > Just wait until things get so bad that they > want to leave, and find that they can't. > The problem with Mexico is its corruption. It keeps its people oppressed. That's the reason why they come to the US so they can make the money they can't there. It's safer to travel in India than in Mexico. Americans probably wouldn't care so much if it were possible to live safely and buy land in Mexico.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
TurquoiseB wrote: > Willytex will have nightmares for weeks. :-) > The Mexicans are already here, Barry. But the problem isn't Mexicans, and the problem isn't immigration. The problem is illegal aliens. You can argue all day that Texas belongs to Mexico or that Mexico belongs to the native inhabitants, but the fact is that Texas is a state of the federal union. We don't want any more illegal aliens coming in here and causing trouble. We already fought a battle for independence and we won, fair and square. Do you remember the Alamo and Davy Crockett? You need to get some smarts, Barry: it is not very wise to have insecure borders, in Texas or in Spain. You could get a bomb up your ass any day from 'Euskadi Ta Askatasuna' (ETA). We don't want any armed militants like Hexboallah coming in here and blowing up a train or the Alamo Dome! "Todd Bensman of the San Antonio News-Express has a must-read report on the toehold planted by the axis of evil represented by Iran and Venezuela in NIcarugua: "Iran making push into Nicaragua." Read more: Posted by Scott Mirengoff Powerline, December 16, 2007 http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019298.php "What worries state department officials, former national security officials and counterterrorism researchers is that, if attacked, Iran could stage strikes on American or allied interests from Nicaragua, deploying the Iranian terrorist group Hezbollah and Revolutionary Guard operatives already in Latin America. Bellicose threats by Iran's clerical leadership to hit American interests worldwide if attacked, by design or not, heighten the anxiety." Full story: 'Iran making push into Nicaragua' By Todd Bensman San Antonio-Express News, December 16, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2z4ql6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 7:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > Louise Fletcher as Judy Stein > > > > > http://www.littlereview.com/goddesslouise/movies/cuckoo.htm > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuyXTZuGPAs > > > > > > > > Another inspired choice! > > > > > > I wish Louise Fletcher had been endowed enough > > > with...uh...talent to play that last confront- > > > ation scene as it was written in the book. Much > > > more powerful and appropriate than in the movie. > > > > > > > Altho, according to my kids, this should > > > > really be me. Either that or Margaret Hamilton. > > > > > > I considered that one: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfV_ENR5IZE > > > > I've always been amused by the incredible amount > > of power accorded me in the fantasies of some of > > my critics, as well as their fantasies of > > destroying me. > > Barry runs true to form here on that score. > > Congratulations. You just won me ten Euros, > because I bet someone that's how you'd react. Um, no, you didn't. You've been using this tired old song-and-dance for years. > I picked clips that matched what I thought > YOUR fantasies were, dear. If so, then you were lying when you said in a later post that my reaction "had you reeling" and that you found it "amazing." In fact, though, you were lying in that post, and you're lying here as well. As I noted, having fantasies about my being extraordinarily powerful is par for the course with my critics. You're just one of many who entertains them. Same for Edg, > kicking ass with words. > > Now in Curtis' case I did go for my fantasy > of the wandering minstrel, and he benefitted > from it. The *least* you could have done is > to react as he did, and say something like, > "Aw shucks...I'm not *nearly* as attractive > as either of these actresses." That would have > been both humble, and true. :-) > > Here's the actress I picked for you originally. > Even though the age thang is all wrong, I > thought the photo captured the real essence > of you as I *really* see you: > > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0241527/Kit-203.jpg > > Not evil, not powerful, just desperate for > attention and trying to get it in the only > way you've *ever* known how to get attention, > by having the "right" answer, the one you > found in a book or were told by some teacher. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The resemblance thing is a given, both for the > > Wicked Witch of the West and for Big Nurse. But > > what still has me reeling is what *Judy* thinks > > of these characters. She sees them as women with > > "an incredible amount of power." > > > > The WWotW is a cartoonish harpy who is hated by > > all and who maintains control only by terrorizing > > people. And who ends up defeated by the proverbial > > dash of cold water in the face. > > Barry, have you watched the movie lately? Not in decades. > The WW is the *best*! :) > I've always wondered how MH hit the exact right note in between > scary and humorous, but she does, and it's really a fabulous > performance. I bow to your superior knowledge of the film and the character. And if she's laughable while trying to be seen as "powerful," that makes her even more like Judy in my book. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > > > Another inspired choice! Altho, according to my kids, this > > > > should really be me. Either that or Margaret Hamilton. > > > > > > I'm sorry, but after Judy posted her "as Barry sees me" photo, > > > we've decided to place Ms. Hamilton on hold for her. :-) > > > > The resemblance thing is a given, both for the > > Wicked Witch of the West and for Big Nurse. But > > what still has me reeling is what *Judy* thinks > > of these characters. She sees them as women with > > "an incredible amount of power." > > Translation: Barry's embarrassed that I've > called attention to his fantasy. > > (He's also forgotten that just a couple posts back, > he pretended to have won a bet that I'd say what I > said. So much for his "reeling" and "amazement" in > this post.) Not *that* you'd reply in such a way as to feed your self-importance fantasies, Jude. That was a given, although one lurker here didn't believe you'd be that stupid. It cost her ten Euros. What left me reeling was your description of these women as having "an incredible amount of power." I'll allow you to continue doing so: > Both these characters, of course, *do* have an > incredible amount of power. The Wicked Witch of the > West's power is actually supernatural. And Nurse > Ratched drives one character to suicide, then has > McMurphy (with whom Barry strongly identifies) > lobotomized, rendering him completely powerless. > > (The Wicked Witch of the West and Nurse Ratched have > the honor of having been named the fourth- and fifth- > greatest villains in film. McMurphy doesn't even make > it into the top 50 heroes, if he's on that list at all.) Hmmm. Not only does Judy identify with these women, and *clearly* look upon them as women who have an incredible amount of power, she sees them as superior to men and gloats over it. Why am I not surprised? :-) > > The WWotW is a cartoonish harpy who is hated by > > all and who maintains control only by terrorizing > > people. And who ends up defeated by the proverbial > > dash of cold water in the face. > > > > Big Nurse is actually portrayed in the book as > > a talented nurse who gave up opportunities to > > work in more prestigious hospitals because she > > enjoys controlling not only the mentally ill > > patients in her "care" but everyone else on the > > staff. In the book she's described as having... > > uh...a large bosom, which she is so distressed > > by that she straps it down under her starched > > uniforms to keep anyone from getting the impres- > > sion that she's a woman. > > > > This provides the mechanism for her eventual > > humiliation in the book, although not the movie. > > McMurphy, angry because she has just driven a > > patient to suicide, first chokes her but then > > has a better idea and rips her blouse, exposing > > the enormous knockers to all of the staff and > > all of the patients. McMurphy may be lobotomized > > in the end, but Big Nurse loses all semblance of > > control over others, because they just...uh... > > titter at her from then on. One after another > > of the patients check themselves out of the > > hospital and leave her behind. > > As I said, Barry's fantasy includes the ultimate > destruction of these women. And as *I* said, *Judy's* fantasy is that my fantasy about her is that *either* 1) she is "powerful" in any way (even as twisted a way as the women she clearly admires), 2) that I want to "destroy" her, and 3) that's she's important enough for *anyone* to feel that way about. Can you say "self importance fantasies?" I think you can. :-) > And it's *most* > interesting that he likes the idea of Nurse Ratched > losing her power by having her femininity revealed. Big Nurse didn't *have* any femininity, Jude. She merely had tits. Her ideas about their relationship to her self- importance and her "power" were as unrelated to reality as your fantasies about your own. > What he neglects to mention here is that in trying > to strangle Nurse Ratched, McMurphy manages to > damage her vocal cords so badly that she is unable to > *speak*. That's the key to Barry's fantasy, his > desire to shut me up. He wants it so badly he'd > probably be willing to be lobotomized. Wow. I rest my case about this woman's paranoia. I've told you a hundred times, Judy. I LOVE it when you get hysterical and go on like this. It's WHY I push your buttons, so that you WILL go on like this. Does that really strike you as someone trying to "silence" you? Sounds more like someone's paranoia and self- importance fantasies to me. Listen, for example, to the *rest* of them, Judy's delusions about the "power she has over me." > > The amazing thing for me is that Judy views each > > of t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment hearings petition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy wrote: > > Bet he'll smile if Cheney gets impeached. > > > How much would you be willing to wager? That Wexler will smile if Cheney gets impeached? You name the sum. > You need to face reality and stop this fantasy: > the U.S. Vice-President is NOT going to be impeached > when the U.S. is in a war. Maybe, maybe not. But if he is, it'll be *because* we're in a war he dragged us into under false pretenses (among many other malfeasances). > And considering that Dennis voted to go to war As you know, Kucinich did *not* vote to go to war. He voted against the Authorization to Use Military Force Against Iraq. > The fact that Dennis voted to go to war The fact is that Kucinich did *not* vote to go to war with Iraq.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Srivastava Mafia's Cut
Jason wrote: > I wonder how much 'cut' goes to the Srivastava mafia.?? > Well, I would hope that all of it goes to Srivastava. Marshy is a Srivastava himself, so I think Marshy deserves to be paid every cent he earned over the years. Most people who run multi-billion dollar operations get to retire with millions of dollars in their pocket. They can do with it anything they want to, including giving it away to their nephews or whoever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GO RON PAUL ! ! !
"Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Democrat Al Gore's running mate in 2000, said he had intended to wait until after the primaries to make a choice for the 2008 presidential race. But McCain asked for his support and no Democrat did." Full story: 'Former Dem Lieberman endorses McCain' By Jennifer Loven Associated Press, December 17, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/ysrgcp Richard J. Williams wrote: > "The Des Moines Register's editorial board has endorsed > Republican Sen. John McCain and Democratic Sen. Hillary > Clinton for the 2008 Iowa caucuses." > > Full story: > > 'The Register's caucus endorsements: McCain, Clinton' > Des Moines Register, December 15, 2007 > http://tinyurl.com/3cs9z7 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment hearings petition
Judy wrote: > Bet he'll smile if Cheney gets impeached. > How much would you be willing to wager? You need to face reality and stop this fantasy: the U.S. Vice-President is NOT going to be impeached when the U.S. is in a war. And considering that Dennis voted to go to war, this idea is not only a fantasy but not logical. Dennis should be fired for voting for AUMF - its because of people like him that the U.S. got drawn into a war in the first place. What was Dennnis thinking - that Iraq was a threat to U.S. security? The fact that Dennis voted to go to war, and then voted to withhold funds for the U.S. military effort to win the war is just crazy - a nut case. Unelectable, a fantasy candidate, a mixed-up idealistic dreamer, who is opposed to a woman's freedom-of-choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment hearings petition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dennis Kucinich, along with 419 of his colleagues, voted > > > to authorize the U.S. President to use military force > > > against Saddam Hussien; > > > Judy wrote: > > Kucinich, of course, voted *against* the AUMF. > > > Dennis Kucinich voted, along with 419 of his House colleagues, > in favor of House Joint Resolution 64, also known as the > 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists' > (AUMF). Only one Congresswoman opposed: Representative Barbara > Lee. Not to be confused with the Authorization to Use Military Force Against Iraq (i.e., against Saddam Hussein), also referred to as AUMF, which Kucinich voted *against*, as I said, and contrary to your original claim (above). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The resemblance thing is a given, both for the Wicked Witch of the West and for Big Nurse. But what still has me reeling is what *Judy* thinks of these characters. She sees them as women with "an incredible amount of power." The WWotW is a cartoonish harpy who is hated by all and who maintains control only by terrorizing people. And who ends up defeated by the proverbial dash of cold water in the face. Barry, have you watched the movie lately? The WW is the *best*! :) I've always wondered how MH hit the exact right note in between scary and humorous, but she does, and it's really a fabulous performance.She's become my favorite character. Glinda is such a sugar-coated, too-good-to-be-true character. Not exactly phony, but not exactly real either. Big Nurse is actually portrayed in the book as a talented nurse who gave up opportunities to work in more prestigious hospitals because she enjoys controlling not only the mentally ill patients in her "care" but everyone else on the staff. In the book she's described as having... uh...a large bosom, which she is so distressed by that she straps it down under her starched uniforms to keep anyone from getting the impres- sion that she's a woman. Oh. I must have missed most of that. I thought she was pretty scary, but also with a certain amount of power too. Not someone I'd ever choose to run into. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment hearings petition
> > Dennis Kucinich, along with 419 of his colleagues, voted > > to authorize the U.S. President to use military force > > against Saddam Hussien; > Judy wrote: > Kucinich, of course, voted *against* the AUMF. > Dennis Kucinich voted, along with 419 of his House colleagues, in favor of House Joint Resolution 64, also known as the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists' (AUMF). Only one Congresswoman opposed: Representative Barbara Lee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Another inspired choice! Altho, according to my kids, this should really be me. Either that or Margaret Hamilton. I'm sorry Sal, but we've chosen Rosie O'Donnell instead. Thanks, Vaj! She's smart and talented. And it must have been fun to kick Trump's ass too. What a total jerk. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just-for-fun topic -- Cast "Fairfield Life: The Movie"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > Another inspired choice! Altho, according to my kids, this > > > should really be me. Either that or Margaret Hamilton. > > > > I'm sorry, but after Judy posted her "as Barry sees me" photo, > > we've decided to place Ms. Hamilton on hold for her. :-) > > The resemblance thing is a given, both for the > Wicked Witch of the West and for Big Nurse. But > what still has me reeling is what *Judy* thinks > of these characters. She sees them as women with > "an incredible amount of power." Translation: Barry's embarrassed that I've called attention to his fantasy. (He's also forgotten that just a couple posts back, he pretended to have won a bet that I'd say what I said. So much for his "reeling" and "amazement" in this post.) Both these characters, of course, *do* have an incredible amount of power. The Wicked Witch of the West's power is actually supernatural. And Nurse Ratched drives one character to suicide, then has McMurphy (with whom Barry strongly identifies) lobotomized, rendering him completely powerless. (The Wicked Witch of the West and Nurse Ratched have the honor of having been named the fourth- and fifth- greatest villains in film. McMurphy doesn't even make it into the top 50 heroes, if he's on that list at all.) > The WWotW is a cartoonish harpy who is hated by > all and who maintains control only by terrorizing > people. And who ends up defeated by the proverbial > dash of cold water in the face. > > Big Nurse is actually portrayed in the book as > a talented nurse who gave up opportunities to > work in more prestigious hospitals because she > enjoys controlling not only the mentally ill > patients in her "care" but everyone else on the > staff. In the book she's described as having... > uh...a large bosom, which she is so distressed > by that she straps it down under her starched > uniforms to keep anyone from getting the impres- > sion that she's a woman. > > This provides the mechanism for her eventual > humiliation in the book, although not the movie. > McMurphy, angry because she has just driven a > patient to suicide, first chokes her but then > has a better idea and rips her blouse, exposing > the enormous knockers to all of the staff and > all of the patients. McMurphy may be lobotomized > in the end, but Big Nurse loses all semblance of > control over others, because they just...uh... > titter at her from then on. One after another > of the patients check themselves out of the > hospital and leave her behind. As I said, Barry's fantasy includes the ultimate destruction of these women. And it's *most* interesting that he likes the idea of Nurse Ratched losing her power by having her femininity revealed. What he neglects to mention here is that in trying to strangle Nurse Ratched, McMurphy manages to damage her vocal cords so badly that she is unable to *speak*. That's the key to Barry's fantasy, his desire to shut me up. He wants it so badly he'd probably be willing to be lobotomized. > The amazing thing for me is that Judy views each > of these fictional characters as having "an incred- > ible amount of power." I think that says more about > her fantasies and her notions of what power is than > it says about either of us. The reason I have such power over you, Barry, is your *weakness*, not any extraordinary strength of mine. Authenticity trumps phoniness every time. But cheer up, you're not the only one to entertain such fantasies about me. Andrew Skolnick used to identify me with Torquemada, for example. > All in all, even though as I said the age thing is > all wrong, Hermione fidgeting in her chair and > waving her hand so she can give the "right" answer > and outshine the other students and then gloat is > a better match for Judy. That is, after all, her > whole act here on FFL...why shouldn't it be in the > movie version? :-) Sez Barry, trying desperately to obscure the fact that he's been nailed *again*, but managing only to inadvertently reinforce his fantasy. Hermione is, of course, supernaturally powerful in addition to being very smart. What Barry leaves out here is that she's also an admirable individual, extremely brave, loyal, and self-sacrificing. She frequently gets her friends out of messes, sometimes even saving their lives. (I'm not *that* admirable, I'm afraid.) I'm guessing Barry was tormented as a child by a female classmate who continually got the better of him intellectually, and most likely had a lot more character as well. So his notion of me as Hermione reveals yet another side to his fantasy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 9:36 AM, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&eurl=http:// > > > dneiwert.blogspot.com/ > > > > You could be right. Congress just dropped 3 billion dollars of > > funding for a Mexico-US border fence--without bothering to tell > > the American public. > > It's a comedy, Vaj. You aren't that dumb. > > Good for Congress. It's not a comedy; it's a tragedy. Americans are so terrified of someone coming to "take what's theirs" that they're imprisoning them- selves behind a 50-foot-high fence. Just wait until things get so bad that they want to leave, and find that they can't. The New Colossus Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Emma Lazarus, 1883 (the quote on the plaque mounted inside the Statue of Liberty)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
On Dec 17, 2007, at 10:09 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 9:36 AM, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&eurl=http:// > > dneiwert.blogspot.com/ > > > You could be right. Congress just dropped 3 billion dollars of > funding for a Mexico-US border fence--without bothering to tell the > American public. It's a comedy, Vaj. You aren't that dumb. Good for Congress. Yes, but they're replacing it with a moat filled with alligators. Apparently it's much cheaper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&eurl=http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/ > > Now you've done it. Willytex will have nightmares > for weeks. :-) I actually thought about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 9:36 AM, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&eurl=http:// > > dneiwert.blogspot.com/ > > > You could be right. Congress just dropped 3 billion dollars of > funding for a Mexico-US border fence--without bothering to tell the > American public. It's a comedy, Vaj. You aren't that dumb. Good for Congress.
