[FairfieldLife] Why do Vedantic techniques "suck"?

[cardemaister]

For the vast majority  of people, Vedantic
techniques prolly are like, say, Vladimir Horowitz
giving a master class for someone who's just
learned that in a piano, all C's are the white key to the left
of a group of *two* black keys and all F's 
are the white key to the left of a group of *three* black 
keys? LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[nablusoss1008]

It's interesting to see that many of the followers of different saints show a 
lot of enthusiasm when these saints come to Fairfield. Ammachi comes to mind. 
But when they say something they don't like, for example when Ammachi states 
that "Sai Baba is an Avatar, perfect from birth" they either go ballistic or 
try to forget about it altogether.

What's that called in american ? Doublestandards ?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're certainly 
> free to believe whatever you like about him.
> 
> So what DO you believe about him?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones 
> > mentioned in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM,  
> > what an effing hoot..
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who 
> > > is nearly dead.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > by R. D. Awle
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > > > 
> > > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> > > > 
> > > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > > > 
> > > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> > > >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> > > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> > > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> > > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> > > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > > > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> > > > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> > > > only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> > > > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> > > > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when 
> > > > I
> > > > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> > > > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> > > > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> > > > Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> > > > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> > > > 
> > > >Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> > > > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> > > > one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> > > > said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> > > > me with you!  You are my God!"
> > > > 
> > > >"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> > > > your Guru."
> > > > 
> > > >"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> > > > suicide!"
> > > > 
> > > >"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> > > > on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> > > > going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> > > > Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> > > > Baba's ashram.)8
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> > > > considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> > > > "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> > > > birth."9 
> > > > 
> > > >On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> > > > Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> > > > silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
> > > > of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
> > > > thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
> > > > multitude shall hear the voice!"10
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> I guess different people view it differently. I find it entertaining,
in a
> ceremonial sort of way. I don't take the symbolism very literally, nor
am I
> overly invested in any type of expression of Indian spirituality. I
think
> spirituality is universal, and Indians have their own festive way of
> celebrating it. To each his own.
>
Makes sense.  "Take what you, want and leave the rest"

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of seventhray1
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:19 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
>
http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of
-the-hugging-saint
>
Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text book
cult.  I'd love to hear the "official"  version on that one.  I mean, they
could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be fallout.  In
general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard cult.  Makes me
glad I retired from the guru worshipping business. 

 

I guess different people view it differently. I find it entertaining, in a
ceremonial sort of way. I don't take the symbolism very literally, nor am I
overly invested in any type of expression of Indian spirituality. I think
spirituality is universal, and Indians have their own festive way of
celebrating it. To each his own.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Neo-Advaita revisited

[Buck]

>
> Dear Pete, thanks for calling attention to this.  I did not realize just how 
> bad and pervasive the problem is with the neo-advaitans.   It's shocking.   I 
> thought this was just a problem here that was dampening down on the dome 
> meditation numbers behind the scenes.  Obviously it is a much larger 
> spiritual problem.  That web page is quite the survey of the problem.
> 

yep those dang neo-advaitans, don't they just piss a meditator off!  I'm not 
certain yet which is the worst negative influence here on dome meditation 
numbers, the local anti-meditation neo-advaitans or the TM-Rajas.
 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > That's a great article!
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Yifu  wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Yifu 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revisited
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:20 PM
> > > on "Eastern Spirituality"...imo:
> > > there's Advaita and Pseudo-Advaita (or Neo-A), not East or
> > > West. 
> > > ...
> > > Neo-A revisited...
> > > http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[seventhray1]

Some are free to ignore activities in an organization that appear to be
hypocritical and focus on the benefits they feel they are receiving. 
And others may like to see a little consistency in their organization
even if it means they can be accused of being stuck in their ego.  
Often another convenient manipulation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> People are so lost in their thoughts and concepts. Go with your direct
experience. The rest is ridiculous. Who cares what collection of
concepts you have that says right,right, right, wrong, wrong, wrong. And
then people run out to "warn" others as if nobody but they have the true
understanding of what is really going on. And all the time that divine
is present in all it's infinite profundity, just right there. Right
there pulling that absurd ego right into it stripping everything.Be
as little children; open, clear, simple.Â
>
> --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
>
> From: Rick Archer rick@...
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:40 PM
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> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult   
http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\
e-of-the-hugging-saintwho’s behind this site? The Bhagavan & Amma
people who give diksha? That’s my impression, but it’s
hard to tell.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:

>
http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\
e-of
> -the-hugging-saint
>
> who's behind this site? The Bhagavan & Amma people who give diksha?
That's
> my impression, but it's hard to tell.
>
Is this the shoot the messager type response?  You know, the "don't
address the issues raised, focus on the messager" type response.   Basic
cult mentality.  Kind of like the mentality you regularly fault the TMO
for displaying.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
>
http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\
e-of-the-hugging-saint
>
Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text
book cult.  I'd love to hear the "official"  version on that one.  I
mean, they could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be
fallout.  In general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard
cult.  Makes me glad I retired from the guru worshipping business.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is waking down?

[authfriend]

Gosh, you mean our Vaj is pretending to know more about
Bonder and Walking Down than he actually does? What a
shock.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> That is a very uninformed view about WD and Saniel Bonder,
> Vaj. He is actually quite sane, normal and articulate. I
> recommend that you listen to Rick's recent interview with
> SD. He was with Adi Da, and learned a lot, decided
> specifically *not* to emulate his teacher's ways and is
> definitely not an advocate for 'crazy wisdom'. Maybe you
> need a vacation in China to open your mind? 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> > Bonder was a follower of Adi Da, Da Free John, Bubba Free
> John, Da Love Ananda, etc.
> > 
> > To find out where Bonder's approach comes from, look at
> > Bubba's  "radical, nondual, crazyman" message (DON'T
> > look at his belly button, it's an outie and the guy
> > doesn't seem to like SHIRTS).

RE: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult

[Peter]

People are so lost in their thoughts and concepts. Go with your direct 
experience. The rest is ridiculous. Who cares what collection of concepts you 
have that says right,right, right, wrong, wrong, wrong. And then people run out 
to "warn" others as if nobody but they have the true understanding of what is 
really going on. And all the time that divine is present in all it's infinite 
profundity, just right there. Right there pulling that absurd ego right into it 
stripping everything.Be as little children; open, clear, simple. 

--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:40 PM











 











From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Pall
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult    
http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of-the-hugging-saintwho’s
 behind this site? The Bhagavan & Amma people who give diksha? That’s my 
impression, but it’s hard to tell. 

[FairfieldLife] 'God' Particle found'...

[Robert]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1379844/Science-world-buzzing-rumours-elusive-God-particle-found.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom Pall
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of
> -the-hugging-saint
> 
> who's behind this site? The Bhagavan & Amma people who give diksha? That's
> my impression, but it's hard to tell.

The site also has articles that are positive towards her:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/ammachi-full-expression-of-generosity-and-love

http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/my-experiences-with-divinity-called-amma-the-hugging-saint-from-india

The site can't seem to make up its mind what bias to have. Or, maybe it's just 
a general repository of Eastern/New Age spiritual themed articles.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is waking down?

[whynotnow7]

That is a very uninformed view about WD and Saniel Bonder, Vaj. He is actually 
quite sane, normal and articulate. I recommend that you listen to Rick's recent 
interview with SD. He was with Adi Da, and learned a lot, decided specifically 
*not* to emulate his teacher's ways and is definitely not an advocate for 
'crazy wisdom'. Maybe you need a vacation in China to open your mind? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
> 
> > Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google it.   I 
> > find websites which talk about about Waking Down but never give the high 
> > concepts.  Would someone kindly state the high concepts of Waking Down for 
> > me?  It appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms and of 
> > course it's transformed zillions of lives.  That's all I've been able to 
> > glean.  I assume Waking Down wants to differentiate itself from waking up.  
> > How does it do that?
> 
> Bonder was a follower of Adi Da, Da Free John, Bubba Free John, Da Love 
> Ananda, etc.
> 
> To find out where Bonder's approach comes from, look at Bubba's  "radical, 
> nondual, crazyman" message (DON'T look at his belly button, it's an outie and 
> the guy doesn't seem to like SHIRTS).
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Pall
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult

 

  

http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of
-the-hugging-saint

who's behind this site? The Bhagavan & Amma people who give diksha? That's
my impression, but it's hard to tell.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is waking down?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google
> it.  I find websites which talk about about Waking Down but never
> give the high concepts. Would someone kindly state the high concepts
> of Waking Down for me?  

High concept? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_concept

As in the essence of WD distilled down to one or two short sentences? 

I'm pretty good at describing my own experience, but I was never into reading 
Saniel's books or glomming on to WD's loose conceptual framework. In fact, as 
has been recently pointed out, I don't have a meticulous grasp of spiritual 
concepts in general. I can, however, give you a mini historical nutshell. 
Saniel was with Adi Da for 20 years, left the org under threats of hell, had a 
dark night of the soul, woke up, started giving satsangs, and found that his 
awakening was infectious. 

Different people seem to get spiritual "transmission" from different aspects of 
WD. Some people actually do get juiced up from reading Saniel's books. For me, 
the whole process was driven by the gazing meditation (sitting and staring 
directly into the teacher's eyes). It was darshan exactly as Barry described it 
in that post of his that I keep mentioning.

Maybe you could get a better feel for it by watching Rick's BATGAP videos of WD 
teachers Steve and Winifred Boggs, Fax and Sharon Gilbert, Sandra Glickman, and 
Saniel and Linda. I haven't watched any of them, so I have no idea what the 
videos are like.

> It appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms

Yeah, basically.

> and of course it's transformed zillions of lives.

I wouldn't say that. A remarkably large percentage of people in WD do actually 
have that awakening, but I would describe it as a fringe niche path. WD best 
fits people who are "rotting" in their spiritual practice, having spent years 
or decades pursuing spirituality and not finding what they're looking for.

And, the transformations that do happen are not always for the better. As I've 
said, some aspects of my life have become more difficult. And, there was 
another person in FF, who had extreme emotional problems dating back to her 
childhood, who crashed and burned in the post-awakening "Wakedown Shakedown." 
She slipped out of town, made her way to California, and disappeared. They 
found her wallet. She had talked about jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, and 
she may have done it. 

> That's all I've been able to glean.  I assume Waking Down wants
> to differentiate itself from waking up.

I think they're trying to emphasize the Tantric aspect.

RE: [FairfieldLife] What is waking down?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:41 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What is waking down?

 

On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tom Pall wrote:

> Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google it. I
find websites which talk about about Waking Down but never give the high
concepts. Would someone kindly state the high concepts of Waking Down for
me? It appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms and of
course it's transformed zillions of lives. That's all I've been able to
glean. I assume Waking Down wants to differentiate itself from waking up.
How does it do that?

Bonder was a follower of Adi Da, Da Free John, Bubba Free John, Da Love
Ananda, etc.

To find out where Bonder's approach comes from, look at Bubba's "radical,
nondual, crazyman" message 

 

If you actually listen to what he has to say, you'll hear that he left Adi
Da because he felt that continuing to associate with him compromised his
integrity, his sense of morality, honesty, etc. I don't know much about Adi
Da, but I found Saniel to be a very honest, open guy, willing to admit when
he was wrong, to revise his thinking and approach as his understanding and
experience mature, etc. In other words, a spiritually mature fellow.

 

[FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult

[Tom Pall]

http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of-the-hugging-saint

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're certainly 
free to believe whatever you like about him.

So what DO you believe about him?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones mentioned 
> in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM,  what an effing 
> hoot..
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is 
> > nearly dead.
> > 
> > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > by R. D. Awle
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > > 
> > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> > > 
> > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > > 
> > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> > >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> > > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> > > only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> > > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> > > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> > > 
> > > 
> > >That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
> > > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> > > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> > > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> > > Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> > > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> > > 
> > >Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> > > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> > > one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> > > said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> > > me with you!  You are my God!"
> > > 
> > >"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> > > your Guru."
> > > 
> > >"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> > > suicide!"
> > > 
> > >"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> > > on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> > > going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> > > Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> > > Baba's ashram.)8
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> > > considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> > > "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> > > birth."9 
> > > 
> > >On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> > > Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> > > silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
> > > of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
> > > thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
> > > multitude shall hear the voice!"10
> > >   It seems
> > > obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical
> > > re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba.
> > > 
> > >Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas
> > > (the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an
> > > Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna.  He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
> > > together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in
> > > His presence as possible.11
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs
> > > Anandashram in Kerala, wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is waking down?

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Vaj  wrote:

>
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
>
> > Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google it.   I
> find websites which talk about about Waking Down but never give the high
> concepts.  Would someone kindly state the high concepts of Waking Down for
> me?  It appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms and of
> course it's transformed zillions of lives.  That's all I've been able to
> glean.  I assume Waking Down wants to differentiate itself from waking up.
>  How does it do that?
>
> Bonder was a follower of Adi Da, Da Free John, Bubba Free John, Da Love
> Ananda, etc.
>
>

"To avoid complications she never kept the same address."



> To find out where Bonder's approach comes from, look at Bubba's  "radical,
> nondual, crazyman" message (DON'T look at his belly button, it's an outie
> and the guy doesn't seem to like SHIRTS).
>
>
I see.  Rama in ocher.   We at least only one produced a Barry Wright.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is waking down?

[Vaj]

On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tom Pall wrote:

> Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google it.   I find 
> websites which talk about about Waking Down but never give the high concepts. 
>  Would someone kindly state the high concepts of Waking Down for me?  It 
> appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms and of course it's 
> transformed zillions of lives.  That's all I've been able to glean.  I assume 
> Waking Down wants to differentiate itself from waking up.  How does it do 
> that?

Bonder was a follower of Adi Da, Da Free John, Bubba Free John, Da Love Ananda, 
etc.

To find out where Bonder's approach comes from, look at Bubba's  "radical, 
nondual, crazyman" message (DON'T look at his belly button, it's an outie and 
the guy doesn't seem to like SHIRTS).

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on PHASE TRANSITION [1 Attachment]

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:

>
>
> *PHASE TRANSITION *
>
> "In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for shaking to
> remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to
> be Para—that is, unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated
> state, the fast moving chaos and change will pass away in a steady manner.
> So we have to be very steady. We have to be very careful not to get upset by
> little or big things. If we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase
> transition will take much longer. Don't give importance to things which may
> upset us.
>
> This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how our
> awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the basis of all
> these transformations. More than ever before, time demands we remain
> completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us—we should
> not become angry, indifferent, or sad; we should just be like an ocean. The
> evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after some
> time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added."
> *Maharishi 1992*
>
>
>
>

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[FairfieldLife] What is waking down?

[Tom Pall]

Every time Alex or someone else mentions Waking Down I go google it.   I
find websites which talk about about Waking Down but never give the high
concepts.  Would someone kindly state the high concepts of Waking Down for
me?  It appears Eastern in origin, repackaged into Western idioms and of
course it's transformed zillions of lives.  That's all I've been able to
glean.  I assume Waking Down wants to differentiate itself from waking up.
How does it do that?

Thanks

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > Thats a big weakness of mine since childhood, I can cut through
> > crap and get really fixated on people talking BS - 
> 
> I stated, "Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to 
> not "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a 
> glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding 
> the I/me story and the relative world in general as unimportant." 
> 
> You said that's BS.
> 
> I provided specific examples of what I was referring to.
> 
> And you replied, "Well yes that's true"... 
> 
> ... before going off on a tangent about what is or is not the essence of 
> Eastern Spirituality. However, I didn't say that "trying very hard to not "be 
> here now" exactly as now is" is the essence of Eastern Spirituality. I said 
> it's often an aspect of Eastern Spirituality, and after providing specific 
> examples, you agreed with me. Yet, you still insist that I'm talking BS. 
> 
> > what do you suggest?
> 
> I suggest you start responding to what people actually write instead of what 
> your delusional mind thinks they wrote.
>  


I agreed with you on the description of your Waking down part. Then I talked 
about the differences between the path of Yoga vs Path of tantra. Waking down 
falls under the path of tantra. Just by repeating like a parrot something you 
learned there doesn't mean you get it. What you were criticizing was the path 
of Yoga not Eastern spirituality. So you didn't read all that. You act like a 
kid, Waking down is a new toy for you, you forgot that  it is a still a 
technique of tantra, part of Eastern spirituality packaged as a new toy. You 
are all excited now, obviously you missed all this when you were in TM. You are 
not the first to be fascinated with toys nor will you be the last. And then you 
call me delusional for calling on your BS. Pity.



> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have no idea why you're so fixated on me, but all I did was point out 
> > > that Eastern Spirituality very often has a focus on creating a different 
> > > future at the expense of being here now. It was not the broad brush 
> > > condemnation of Eastern Spirituality that you seem to think it was. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is exactly where Sir J. Alexander Stanley went wrong in the other 
> > > > thread when he condemned Eastern Spirituality. He got confused with the 
> > > > paths of Yoga and tantra. Some don't have basics and feel qualified to 
> > > > somehow open their big mouths in condemning others. They think they 
> > > > have found a new toy and get all excited like a bunch of babies..LOL.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is 
> > > > > about. The 2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a 
> > > > > peak(self realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, 
> > > > > there are methods and techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot 
> > > > > of sacrifices to be made. But Tantra is just accepting that 
> > > > > everything is divine and letting the divine flow into you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with 
> > > > > awareness. There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example 
> > > > > Yoga can make you egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could 
> > > > > make you just a lazy indulgent. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into 
> > > > > the Yoga Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you 
> > > > > believe in tantra don't even bother.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> > > > > > suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily 
> > > > > > [is] everything/all for a vivekin.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ...and II 40: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> > > > > > one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> > > > > > cntact with others.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> > > > > > a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> > > > > > that "stuff", he(sh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Alex Stanley  wrote:

>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
> > Live with it.
>
> Do you have any thoughts on when the PRC will take back Taiwan?
>
>
>
1) Who will notice?  They took back Hong Kong, who noticed?

2) Alex, you're reminding us to be here now.   "When" implies the future.
It's not now.Your power is in the "now".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
> Live with it.

Do you have any thoughts on when the PRC will take back Taiwan?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM, authfriend  wrote:

>
> I love the subtlety. The painting is so subdued; he's sort of quietly
> sneaking out without any fuss, no angels with trumpets, no glorious light,
> the guards fast asleep, no sign of anything supernatural occurring--until
> you realize the tomb is still sealed up tight. And the artist did that very
> deliberately; it's not supposed to be obvious.
>
>
>
>
Out of what?  His shrouds?  The cave?   Why is he rising out of a coffin out
in the open?

Also, he looks Jewish.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

[Mike Dixon]

Very much right-on. Mom does most, if not all, the *sitting* and dad does the 
hunting for the family. Once the chicks start growing,mom will join the hunt as 
well. Those young'ns get mighty hungry! I'd hate to be a squirrel in Central 
Park or a slow pigeon!





From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 1:26:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

> But where is Bobby, does he have several nests ? He came by
> for a few minutes yesterday but then took off.

Apparently, according to the hawk expert who's been
answering questions, he spends most of his time on
a tree or perch where he has a good view of the nest
so he can keep an eye out for potential marauders and
deal with them before they can get to the nest.

Or he's hunting for food to bring to Violet. Once the
chicks hatch, he'll have to supply food to the whole
family, all five of 'em. And before the chicks are
ready to leave the nest, they'll have grown to almost
the size of their parents and will be at least as
hungry. So Bobby really has his work cut out for him.

MIKE DIXON, have anything to add or correct?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Not too good at this, the only thing of significance is the 2 fingers
raised upwards.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:

> > But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> > ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place.
Can
> > you see how he did it?

He's coming out of the still-closed tomb right through the heavy stone
lid. It's the only Resurrection painting I know of in which the lid
hasn't been moved aside or taken off so he could get out the normal way.

I didn't spot this right away either; I looked at it several times
before I noticed.

merudanda and raunchy came very close, saying that one leg is still in
the tomb, but I'm not sure they got that you can't see the leg because
he's coming *through* the lid.

  [File:Hans Multscher - Flügel-Innenseite des Wurzacher Altars
(rechts unten) - Google Art Project.jpg] 


I love the subtlety. The painting is so subdued; he's sort of quietly
sneaking out without any fuss, no angels with trumpets, no glorious
light, the guards fast asleep, no sign of anything supernatural
occurring--until you realize the tomb is still sealed up tight. And the
artist did that very deliberately; it's not supposed to be obvious.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Thats a big weakness of mine since childhood, I can cut through
> crap and get really fixated on people talking BS - 

I stated, "Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not 
"be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified 
and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me 
story and the relative world in general as unimportant." 

You said that's BS.

I provided specific examples of what I was referring to.

And you replied, "Well yes that's true"... 

... before going off on a tangent about what is or is not the essence of 
Eastern Spirituality. However, I didn't say that "trying very hard to not "be 
here now" exactly as now is" is the essence of Eastern Spirituality. I said 
it's often an aspect of Eastern Spirituality, and after providing specific 
examples, you agreed with me. Yet, you still insist that I'm talking BS. 

> what do you suggest?

I suggest you start responding to what people actually write instead of what 
your delusional mind thinks they wrote.
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I have no idea why you're so fixated on me, but all I did was point out 
> > that Eastern Spirituality very often has a focus on creating a different 
> > future at the expense of being here now. It was not the broad brush 
> > condemnation of Eastern Spirituality that you seem to think it was. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > This is exactly where Sir J. Alexander Stanley went wrong in the other 
> > > thread when he condemned Eastern Spirituality. He got confused with the 
> > > paths of Yoga and tantra. Some don't have basics and feel qualified to 
> > > somehow open their big mouths in condemning others. They think they have 
> > > found a new toy and get all excited like a bunch of babies..LOL.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is 
> > > > about. The 2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.
> > > > 
> > > > Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a 
> > > > peak(self realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, 
> > > > there are methods and techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot 
> > > > of sacrifices to be made. But Tantra is just accepting that everything 
> > > > is divine and letting the divine flow into you.
> > > > 
> > > > Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with 
> > > > awareness. There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example Yoga 
> > > > can make you egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could make you 
> > > > just a lazy indulgent. 
> > > > 
> > > > Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into 
> > > > the Yoga Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you 
> > > > believe in tantra don't even bother.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> > > > > suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> > > > > 
> > > > > (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
> > > > > everything/all for a vivekin.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...and II 40: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> > > > > 
> > > > > (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> > > > > one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> > > > > cntact with others.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> > > > > a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> > > > > that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
> > > > > wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
> > > > > specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] May 21, 2011 [1 Attachment]

[Tom Pall]

There are signs on the highways around Columbia, SC announcing May 21, 2011
as the end of the world.  I wonder how many months they had to lease those
billboards in order to put those signs up?

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on PHASE TRANSITION

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> PHASE TRANSITION 
> 
> "In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for shaking to
> remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to
> be Para-that is, unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated
> state, the fast moving chaos and change will pass away in a steady manner.
> So we have to be very steady. We have to be very careful not to get upset by
> little or big things. If we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase
> transition will take much longer. Don't give importance to things which may
> upset us. 
> 
> This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how our
> awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the basis of all
> these transformations. More than ever before, time demands we remain
> completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us-we should
> not become angry, indifferent, or sad; we should just be like an ocean. The
> evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after some
> time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added."
> Maharishi 1992


Very timely. Thanks for posting this Rick.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Vaj]

On Apr 24, 2011, at 4:39 PM, emptybill wrote:

> Invalid comparison.
> 
>  
> 
> While Buddhist Tantra can be compared to other traditions of Indian Yoga and 
> Tantra it does not reside in the same conceptual universe. It does not 
> possess the same assumptions as the so-called "Hindu Tantra".
> 
I wasn't comparing the Dzogchen Nondual Tantras to Hindu tantra. You seem to 
have completely missed what was being said. We were speaking of Alex's 
description of WD and embodied enlightenment.

But I can't help point out that Inner Hindu tantra and Inner Vajrayana tantras 
share the same solar-lunar body, albeit, in reverse. 

Some Buddhist Anuttara-tantras, like the Kalachakra, already contain Shaivite 
Kalachakra-tantras.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[Ravi Yogi]

Not too good at this, the only thing of significance is the 2 fingers raised 
upwards.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> (RAVI, another contest...)
> 
> Lots of artists have painted the Resurrection. I find their different
> takes fascinating. (Click the URLs to see bigger reproductions.)
> 
> The paintings fall basically into two categories. In the first, there's
> no question that the event pictured is a miracle:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Grunewald_-_christ.jpg
> 
> 
> (Matthias Grunewald, 1515)
> 
>   [File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-christ-1700.jpg] 
>  rrection-of-christ-1700.jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-c\
> hrist-1700.jpg
>  christ-1700.jpg>
> 
> (Noel Coypel, 1700)
> 
> With paintings in the second category, you'd have to know the story to
> realize what's happening. Otherwise it just looks like a guy stepping
> out of a box, nothing supernatural about it. The other figures in the
> scene may look surprised, but it's not clear why; or they're sound
> asleep and oblivious:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Piero2.jpg
> 
> 
> (Piero della Francesca, c. 1460)
> 
>   [File:Meister Francke 012.jpg] 
>  jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_Francke_012.jpg
> 
> 
> (Master Francke, c. 1424)
> 
> At first glance, this painting seems to fit in the latter category:
> 
>   [File:Hans Multscher - Flügel-Innenseite des Wurzacher Altars
> (rechts unten) - Google Art Project.jpg] 
>  C3%BCgel-Innenseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_%28rechts_unten%29_-_Google_Art\
> _Project.jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hans_Multscher_-_Fl%C3%BCgel-Inne\
> nseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_(rechts_unten)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
>  enseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_(rechts_unten)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg>
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3dhcqs7 
> 
> (Hans Multscher, 1437)
> 
> But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place. Can
> you see how he did it?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ravi Yogi  wrote:
> 
> > Thats a big weakness of mine since childhood, I can cut through crap and
> > get really fixated on people talking BS - what do you suggest?
> >
> 
> Have a once in a lifetime experience:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
>

Been there done that, amazing song though. Contemplate on it, never too late.

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Ravi Yogi]

So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones mentioned in 
the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM,  what an effing hoot..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is 
> nearly dead.
> 
> Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > by R. D. Awle
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > 
> > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> > 
> > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > 
> > 
> >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > 
> > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> > only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> > 
> > 
> >That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
> > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> > Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> > 
> >Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> > one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> > said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> > me with you!  You are my God!"
> > 
> >"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> > your Guru."
> > 
> >"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> > suicide!"
> > 
> >"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> > on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> > going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> > Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> > Baba's ashram.)8
> > 
> > 
> >Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> > considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> > "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> > birth."9 
> > 
> >On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> > Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> > silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
> > of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
> > thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
> > multitude shall hear the voice!"10
> >   It seems
> > obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical
> > re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba.
> > 
> >Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas
> > (the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an
> > Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna.  He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
> > together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in
> > His presence as possible.11
> > 
> > 
> >  Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs
> > Anandashram in Kerala, was recently asked about the allegations against
> > Sai Baba.  He replied, "Forget about it.  He is God!"12
> > 
> >  Karunamayi (also known as Vijayeshwari Devi, considered by
> > many to be a living incarnation of the Goddess Sarasvati) recently told
> > one of her close devotees, "Sai Baba and Amma [meaning herself] are both
> > watching over you."  Apparently she also knows who Baba is!
> > 
> >Yogi R

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[emptybill]

Invalid comparison.



While Buddhist Tantra can be compared to other traditions of Indian Yoga
and Tantra it does not reside in the same conceptual universe. It does
not possess the same assumptions as the so-called "Hindu
Tantra".



Shunyam in Hindu Tantra-s and Shunyataa in Buddhist Tantra point to
different values both theoretically (contemplatively) and in practice
(experientially).



Orthodoxy is for the faithful

Heterodoxy for speculators

But the dust of the rose petal

Belongs to the heart of the

Perfume creator



- Persian Muslim



***





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> In Nondual Tantra, "tantra" or gyu in Tibetan means "continuity" (of
the primordial enlightened condition within samsara), as opposed to the
descriptions given in the Inner and Outer Tantras. The "Base" of our
enlightened condition exists as a continual alteration or weave of
voidness and manifestation, just as it is.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ravi Yogi  wrote:

> Thats a big weakness of mine since childhood, I can cut through crap and
> get really fixated on people talking BS - what do you suggest?
>

Have a once in a lifetime experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Ravi Yogi]

Thats a big weakness of mine since childhood, I can cut through crap and get 
really fixated on people talking BS - what do you suggest?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> I have no idea why you're so fixated on me, but all I did was point out that 
> Eastern Spirituality very often has a focus on creating a different future at 
> the expense of being here now. It was not the broad brush condemnation of 
> Eastern Spirituality that you seem to think it was. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is exactly where Sir J. Alexander Stanley went wrong in the other 
> > thread when he condemned Eastern Spirituality. He got confused with the 
> > paths of Yoga and tantra. Some don't have basics and feel qualified to 
> > somehow open their big mouths in condemning others. They think they have 
> > found a new toy and get all excited like a bunch of babies..LOL.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is 
> > > about. The 2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 
> > > 
> > > Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.
> > > 
> > > Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a peak(self 
> > > realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, there are 
> > > methods and techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot of sacrifices 
> > > to be made. But Tantra is just accepting that everything is divine and 
> > > letting the divine flow into you.
> > > 
> > > Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with 
> > > awareness. There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example Yoga 
> > > can make you egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could make you 
> > > just a lazy indulgent. 
> > > 
> > > Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into the 
> > > Yoga Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you believe 
> > > in tantra don't even bother.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> > > > suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> > > > 
> > > > Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> > > > 
> > > > (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
> > > > everything/all for a vivekin.)
> > > > 
> > > > ...and II 40: 
> > > > 
> > > > shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> > > > 
> > > > (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> > > > one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> > > > cntact with others.)
> > > > 
> > > > IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> > > > a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> > > > that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
> > > > wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
> > > > specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

That's exactly right - you are totally in control of yourself !!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> It's not a matter of being self-conscious. I'm simply not afflicted with the 
> sort of issues that would give rise to gross public displays of mania, mental 
> instability, delusions of grandeur, etc.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > May be he's too self conscious to make a fool of himself?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, that makes two of us. I really know nothing of "Waking Down" other 
> > > than what you've written Alex, but I agree with Judy that you have always 
> > > seemed screwed together rather well here at FFL!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed
> > > > > of roses, this state has also allowed me to feel pain and
> > > > > grief, far beyond what I ever could before. Plus, with no
> > > > > denial or pushing away of shadow stuff, the brutal integrity
> > > > > has left me neurotically dysfunctional in areas that I
> > > > > previously hadn't tapped into deeply enough for them to be
> > > > > this problematic. I think it was Ted Strauss who said that
> > > > > in WD you awaken to your mugshot, and boy he wasn't kidding!
> > > > 
> > > > If I had to make a list, I'd say you seem to me to be
> > > > the *least* dysfunctional person here. It sure isn't any
> > > > of my business, but now I'm wildly curious as to what
> > > > areas you think you're dysfunctional in. But only respond
> > > > if you're so inclined...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[Tom Pall]

It looked like any other Yashiva prank.  'cept in this one the rebs in
training at Jerusalem Y got out of hand.  They got liquored up on leftover
Passover wine and decided to relocate his body to the dining room of the
temple's chief priest.Problem is they only got halfway when they heard a
bunch of Roman guards on the path.  They got away just in time, decided to
ditch the body in one of the gardens just in time.  A not too often visited
garden.   The only plot involved was the piece of land they ditched the body
on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[whynotnow7]

I saw a good discussion yesterday on "Chinese CNN" - CCTV, with John  Naisbitt 
(a futurist), talking about China's current rural population of 50% (where the 
US was in 1910), and how to accomplish the mechanization of farms and 
distribution of services to rural areas, along with the huge migration of 
populations into urban areas, while continuing to feed 1.3 billion people, 
which is all happening right now, and accelerating. 

One of the current pilot programs underway works on changing the image and 
training for future farmers, making them professionals instead of mere field 
workers, an undesirable position in China.   
Something the pilot program is incorporating too is localized democracy, voting 
for candidates to represent the rural people's interests for the first time 
apparently. Seems like a good way to govern so many people.

As for the DL continuing to agitate for Tibetan independence, I agree he should 
accept what has been going on since 1959, 42 years ago. Tibetan independence is 
about as likely as Hawaiian independence.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley <
> j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be
> > here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified
> > and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me
> > story and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just
> > escapism.
> >
> >
> Take the Delhi Lama for example.   Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
> Live with it.
>

[FairfieldLife] MMY on PHASE TRANSITION

[Rick Archer]

PHASE TRANSITION 

"In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for shaking to
remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to
be Para-that is, unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated
state, the fast moving chaos and change will pass away in a steady manner.
So we have to be very steady. We have to be very careful not to get upset by
little or big things. If we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase
transition will take much longer. Don't give importance to things which may
upset us. 

This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how our
awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the basis of all
these transformations. More than ever before, time demands we remain
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us-we should
not become angry, indifferent, or sad; we should just be like an ocean. The
evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after some
time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added."
Maharishi 1992 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[cardemaister]

"Weird" pics in the granite Tuomio-kirkko (Doom[sic!] church) right
next to the house I live in:

http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&biw=1333&bih=752&site=search&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=tampereen+tuomiokirkko&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=
 

http://tinyurl.com/43uk5mm

Amongst them A Wounded Angel, Garden of Death and Resurrection.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[merudanda]

http://www.backtoclassics.com/gallery/lucasignorelli/resurrectionofthefl\
esh-detail/
http://tinyurl.com/3t9dtj4

Luca Signorelli. The Hell. Fresco. 1499-1502. Orvieto Cathedral, San
Brizio Chapel, Orvieto, Italy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Luca Signoreili, Resurrection,
> >
>
detailhttp://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/great-works/si\
\
> \
> > gnorelli-luca-the-resurrection-of-the-flesh-c1500-850703.html
> > http://tinyurl.com/3f8zw8m
> > Some authorities specified that everyone would resurrect at the age
of
> > 33.
> > Resurrected bodies have four essential characteristics, technically
> > defined as clarity, impassibility, agility and subtlety. They shine
> > brightly. They cannot suffer or die. They can move as freely and as
> > quickly as they like. They can pass through other objects.
> >
> > Traditionally, in resurrections, the dead rise from opened-up earth
> > graves, or from stone tombs whose lids have flipped off. Here,
> > Signorelli imagines them directly rising through the surface of the
> > earth, like worms.
>
>
> Ooh, that's terrific. Here's the whole painting:
>
>
>
> http://copiosa.org/images/resurrection_flesh_signorelli.jpg
> 
>
> Worth looking at in a larger reproduction. All those bodies are just
> gorgeous. And the angels are magnificent.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] at the Brahmasthan of India...

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:48 PM, merlin  wrote:

>
>
>*Maharishi’s Global Family Chat Summary
> *April 20, 2011
>
>
>
> *Raja Harris announced that international courses
> will become available at the Brahmasthan of India
> starting on the 2nd of October 2011 *
>
> **
>
> **
>
>
> http://www.maharishichannel.in/econtact_mailing/MAILING_OUT/2011_04/2010_04_20_Raja_Harris.html
>
>
>
> *J a i   G u r u   D e v*
>
>
>
>
>
Do we have to shlep our own tent, cookstove and portajohn or are they
available for rental?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
>
  thought of Luca Signoreili Signorelli imagines us directly rising
through the surface of the earth, like worms
http://tinyurl.com/3f8zw8m
to be 33 y againhmm like a virgin..tempting
>
> Almost looks as though the angel is trying to keep him in rather than
> let him out!lol
yes great  and dramatic
who this angel ?may be someone here from FFL(!)

> Jesus is pulling Adam and Eve out of their graves. Whew! That's
> spine-chilling.yes
  Signoreilli -wormeffect again


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:I
had a slightly different way in mind. Let's see if anybody else takes a
stab at it?
it's 2 o clock  in the morning Easter Monday
may I be forgiven- have to take a nap and prepare- earth quake warning
again--seems to never end
>
> Man, I love biblical paintings.me,too
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandit-Projekt/ update.

[Vaj]

On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Tom Pall wrote:

> Wonder why the TMO felt it necessary to include this part? 
> 
> 
> Transparency of the money flow


Because they read FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Sathya Sai Baba's death triggers fight for his £5.5 billion empire - Telegraph

[Rick Archer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/8471134/Sathya-Sai-Baba
s-death-triggers-fight-for-his-5.5-billion-empire.html

[FairfieldLife] at the Brahmasthan of India...

[merlin]

Maharishi’s Global Family Chat Summary
April 20, 2011 
 
Raja Harris announced that international courses
will become available at the Brahmasthan of India
starting on the 2nd of October 2011 
  
  
http://www.maharishichannel.in/econtact_mailing/MAILING_OUT/2011_04/2010_04_20_Raja_Harris.html
 
  
J a i   G u r u   D e v

[FairfieldLife] FW: YouTube - TV9 - "SATHYA SAI BABA" BODY "LAST DARSHAN" CLOSE-UP SHOTS

[Rick Archer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-dXm9q4eM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Tom Pall]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley <
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be
> here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified
> and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me
> story and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just
> escapism.
>
>
Take the Delhi Lama for example.   Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
Live with it.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Pandit-Projekt/ update.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Pall
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:58 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandit-Projekt/ update.

 

This is a critical line: "We all have confidence in Maharishi. When we apply
this simple confidence in his stewards."

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> > ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking 
> > place. Can you see how he did it?
> 
> Jesus' left leg is still in the box as if he's still in the
> process of rising from the dead. See...it's not a trick. He's
> performing a miracle right before your very eyes.

Oh, gee, that isn't what I'm seeing. Close, but not quite
the same. Let's see if we can get a third response, then
I'll give mine.

> Thanks, Judy. Beautiful paintings. Happy Easter!

And the same to you. I'm not a believer, but I love the
joyousness of the day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> Luca Signoreili, Resurrection,
>
detailhttp://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/great-works/si\
\
> gnorelli-luca-the-resurrection-of-the-flesh-c1500-850703.html
> http://tinyurl.com/3f8zw8m
> Some authorities specified that everyone would resurrect at the age of
> 33.
> Resurrected bodies have four essential characteristics, technically
> defined as clarity, impassibility, agility and subtlety. They shine
> brightly. They cannot suffer or die. They can move as freely and as
> quickly as they like. They can pass through other objects.
>
> Traditionally, in resurrections, the dead rise from opened-up earth
> graves, or from stone tombs whose lids have flipped off. Here,
> Signorelli imagines them directly rising through the surface of the
> earth, like worms.


Ooh, that's terrific. Here's the whole painting:



http://copiosa.org/images/resurrection_flesh_signorelli.jpg


Worth looking at in a larger reproduction. All those bodies are just
gorgeous. And the angels are magnificent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[merudanda]

you know now  why it's "shaken not stirred"
http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/s/shaken_not_stirred.asp
http://tinyurl.com/3kopzlr

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
> Are you sure you didn't mean "face transition
>
> http://freshpics.blogspot.com/2010/07/rock-stars-then-and-now.html
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Happy Easter to you, too.Old "horse whisperer"
> >
> > PHASE TRANSITION
> >
> >
> > "In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for
> > shaking to remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the
level
> > of   Para, have to be Para—that is, unreachable by the surface
> > turmoil. In that   integrated state, the fast moving chaos and
change
> > will pass away in a steady   manner. So we have to be very steady.
We
> > have to be very careful not to get   upset by little or big things.
If
> > we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase   transition will take
much
> > longer. Don't give importance to things which may   upset us.
> > This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on
how
> > our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the
> > basis of   all these transformations. More than ever before, time
> > demands we remain   completely ourselves. It is a very tender,
delicate
> > time for us—we should   not become angry, indifferent, or sad;
we
> > should just be like an ocean. The   evolutionary power is waking up.
We
> > shake it, then leave it; then after some   time shake it again. Each
> > time a new level of purity, awakening is   added." Maharishi 1992
> >
> > Silence shared is Friendship.
> >
> > Silence seen is Infinity.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence heard is Adoration.
> >
> > Silence expressed is Beauty.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence maintained is   Strength.
> >
> > Silence omitted is Suffering.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence allowed is Rest.
> >
> > Silence recorded is Scripture.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence preserved is Our   Tradition.
> >
> > Silence given is Initiating.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence   received is Joy.
> >
> > Silence perceived is   Knowledge.
> >
> >
> >
> > Silence stabilized is   Fulfilment.
> >
> > Silence alone is."
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is 
nearly dead.

Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> 
> 
> 
> W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> 
> 
> 
> by R. D. Awle
> 
> 
> 
> [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> 
> This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> 
> as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> 
> 
>   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> 
> Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
>One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> 
> 
>That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
> went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> 
>Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> me with you!  You are my God!"
> 
>"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> your Guru."
> 
>"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> suicide!"
> 
>"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> Baba's ashram.)8
> 
> 
>Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> birth."9 
> 
>On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
> of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
> thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
> multitude shall hear the voice!"10
>   It seems
> obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical
> re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba.
> 
>Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas
> (the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an
> Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna.  He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
> together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in
> His presence as possible.11
> 
> 
>  Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs
> Anandashram in Kerala, was recently asked about the allegations against
> Sai Baba.  He replied, "Forget about it.  He is God!"12
> 
>  Karunamayi (also known as Vijayeshwari Devi, considered by
> many to be a living incarnation of the Goddess Sarasvati) recently told
> one of her close devotees, "Sai Baba and Amma [meaning herself] are both
> watching over you."  Apparently she also knows who Baba is!
> 
>Yogi Ramsuratkumar made it clear on numerous occasions that
> Sai Baba is an incarnation of God.  He often asked visitors from
> Baba's ashram, "You've left God to see this beggar?"13
>    (Of course,
> that "beggar" was himself merged in the all-pervading
> Consciousness; the beauty of his attainment was matched only by his
> humility.)
> 
>Shiva Balayogi, another 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> (RAVI, another contest...)
> 
> Lots of artists have painted the Resurrection. I find their different
> takes fascinating. (Click the URLs to see bigger reproductions.)
> 
> The paintings fall basically into two categories. In the first, there's
> no question that the event pictured is a miracle:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Grunewald_-_christ.jpg
> 
> 
> (Matthias Grunewald, 1515)
> 
>   [File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-christ-1700.jpg] 
>  rrection-of-christ-1700.jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-c\
> hrist-1700.jpg
>  christ-1700.jpg>
> 
> (Noel Coypel, 1700)
> 
> With paintings in the second category, you'd have to know the story to
> realize what's happening. Otherwise it just looks like a guy stepping
> out of a box, nothing supernatural about it. The other figures in the
> scene may look surprised, but it's not clear why; or they're sound
> asleep and oblivious:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Piero2.jpg
> 
> 
> (Piero della Francesca, c. 1460)
> 
>   [File:Meister Francke 012.jpg] 
>  jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_Francke_012.jpg
> 
> 
> (Master Francke, c. 1424)
> 
> At first glance, this painting seems to fit in the latter category:
> 
>   [File:Hans Multscher - Flügel-Innenseite des Wurzacher Altars
> (rechts unten) - Google Art Project.jpg] 
>  C3%BCgel-Innenseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_%28rechts_unten%29_-_Google_Art\
> _Project.jpg>
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hans_Multscher_-_Fl%C3%BCgel-Inne\
> nseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_(rechts_unten)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
>  enseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_(rechts_unten)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg>
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3dhcqs7 
> 
> (Hans Multscher, 1437)
> 
> But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place. Can
> you see how he did it?
>

Jesus' left leg is still in the box as if he's still in the process of rising 
from the dead. See...it's not a trick. He's performing a miracle right before 
your very eyes. Thanks, Judy. Beautiful paintings. Happy Easter! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> ("Leg still in process of Resurrection")

 Well, that's one way of putting it. I had a slightly different
way in mind. Let's see if anybody else takes a stab at it.

Here it is again:



> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
>
> > But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> > ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place.
> > Can you see how he did it?


Love your examples, the Fra Angelico and the Durer in particular. The
Rembrandt is actually not of the Resurrection itself but of Jesus's
encounter with Mary Magdalene in the garden afterward (note the hat he's
wearing). And the Caravaggio is also post-Resurrection, but no less
amazing a painting for that. What chutzpah he had!

That perfectly dreadful Coypel I posted was used by Time magazine in
1995 for its Easter cover:

  

Blec...! That painting is so wretchedly ghastly, you have to think
the editors were doing their best to elicit a "No!" answer to their
question.

Here's a really good one, a very original take, capturing the scene just
*before* Christ emerges from the tomb:

  [File:Benjamin Gerritsz. Cuyp 002.jpg] 


  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Benjamin_Gerritsz._Cuyp_002.jpg


(Benjamin Cuyp, 1640)

Almost looks as though the angel is trying to keep him in rather than
let him out!

And this superb fresco from Turkey, by an anonymous painter:



Jesus is pulling Adam and Eve out of their graves. Whew! That's
spine-chilling.

Man, I love biblical paintings.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandit-Projekt/ update.

[Tom Pall]

2011/4/18 merlin 

>
>
>*Pandit-Projekt*
>
>
>
>
Wonder why the TMO felt it necessary to include this part?


*Transparency of the money flow*
Time and again we are - even in the conference and then - asked about the
accountability and transparency of the money flow.
There are those of Maharishi personally selected and used Rajas and
Ministers: Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Benny Feldman, Harris Kaplan and
Steven Rubin. See also http://www.vedicpandits.org
They form the Executive Board of the BST, including the BST-Europe in
Holland, whose account we recommend.
Raja Harris, whose response we will add that very clear:
"The account of the Brahmananda Saraswati Trust has five executive board
members, myself Dr. Bevan Morris, Raja Hagelin, Raja Steven, and Dr.
Feldman. The financial reports of this Trust are approved by this executive
board and indeed by the full board of all the Rajas and Ministers. In
addition to these above, so there is supervision by Rik Jung and Kees van
den Bremer. "
Raja Harris is regularly during the winter months (October to March) in
India, the Brahma Than, works closely with Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, who is
in India, the responsible leader of Maharishi personally called to - and
thus monitors the progress as one can see also from his newsletters.
We all have confidence in Maharishi. When we apply this simple confidence in
his stewards.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[merudanda]

Luca Signoreili, Resurrection,
detailhttp://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/great-works/si\
gnorelli-luca-the-resurrection-of-the-flesh-c1500-850703.html
http://tinyurl.com/3f8zw8m
Some authorities specified that everyone would resurrect at the age of
33.
Resurrected bodies have four essential characteristics, technically 
defined as clarity, impassibility, agility and subtlety. They shine 
brightly. They cannot suffer or die. They can move as freely and as 
quickly as they like. They can pass through other objects.



Traditionally, in resurrections, the dead rise from opened-up earth 
graves, or from stone tombs whose lids have flipped off. Here, 
Signorelli imagines them directly rising through the surface of the 
earth, like worms.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did the Resurrection look like?

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

>
> But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
> ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place.
Can
> you see how he did it?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Violet & Bobby

[authfriend]

Violet and Bobby, it turns out, have a Twitter feed:

http://twitter.com/#!/NYURedtailHawks

The tweets are kind of lame, but I'm pretty sure they'll
make an announcement when something really starts to
happen.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> Bobby took his turn covering the eggs today while Violet took
> off for awhile. Violet is checking her eggs quite frequently
> now, so something might be happening soon :-)
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer with smiles and tears singing Alleluia

[Buck]

Yep, a bunch of us conservative meditators will be gathering to sing minor hymn 
this evening.  These incredible old chackra tuning hymns.
7pm tonite down at the Keosauqua Congregational Church.  

You can sample some of them on the Fairfolk.org web page off of the Prairie 
Harmony CD links.

www.http://fairfolk.org/


-Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> In resurrectione tua, Christe, coeli et terra laetentur!
> (In your resurrection, O Christ, let heaven and earth rejoice!)
> Dear Brothers and Sisters in Rome and across the world,
> 
> Easter  morning brings us news that is ancient yet ever new: Christ is
> risen!  The echo of this event, which issued forth from Jerusalem twenty
> centuries ago, continues to resound 

[FairfieldLife] What did the Resurrection look like?

[authfriend]

(RAVI, another contest...)

Lots of artists have painted the Resurrection. I find their different
takes fascinating. (Click the URLs to see bigger reproductions.)

The paintings fall basically into two categories. In the first, there's
no question that the event pictured is a miracle:



http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Grunewald_-_christ.jpg


(Matthias Grunewald, 1515)

  [File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-christ-1700.jpg] 


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-c\
hrist-1700.jpg


(Noel Coypel, 1700)

With paintings in the second category, you'd have to know the story to
realize what's happening. Otherwise it just looks like a guy stepping
out of a box, nothing supernatural about it. The other figures in the
scene may look surprised, but it's not clear why; or they're sound
asleep and oblivious:



http://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Piero2.jpg


(Piero della Francesca, c. 1460)

  [File:Meister Francke 012.jpg] 


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_Francke_012.jpg


(Master Francke, c. 1424)

At first glance, this painting seems to fit in the latter category:

  [File:Hans Multscher - Flügel-Innenseite des Wurzacher Altars
(rechts unten) - Google Art Project.jpg] 


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hans_Multscher_-_Fl%C3%BCgel-Inne\
nseite_des_Wurzacher_Altars_(rechts_unten)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg


http://tinyurl.com/3dhcqs7 

(Hans Multscher, 1437)

But if you look closely, you'll see that the artist has rather
ingeniously indicated that something extraordinary is taking place. Can
you see how he did it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

It's not a matter of being self-conscious. I'm simply not afflicted with the 
sort of issues that would give rise to gross public displays of mania, mental 
instability, delusions of grandeur, etc.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> May be he's too self conscious to make a fool of himself?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that makes two of us. I really know nothing of "Waking Down" other 
> > than what you've written Alex, but I agree with Judy that you have always 
> > seemed screwed together rather well here at FFL!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed
> > > > of roses, this state has also allowed me to feel pain and
> > > > grief, far beyond what I ever could before. Plus, with no
> > > > denial or pushing away of shadow stuff, the brutal integrity
> > > > has left me neurotically dysfunctional in areas that I
> > > > previously hadn't tapped into deeply enough for them to be
> > > > this problematic. I think it was Ted Strauss who said that
> > > > in WD you awaken to your mugshot, and boy he wasn't kidding!
> > > 
> > > If I had to make a list, I'd say you seem to me to be
> > > the *least* dysfunctional person here. It sure isn't any
> > > of my business, but now I'm wildly curious as to what
> > > areas you think you're dysfunctional in. But only respond
> > > if you're so inclined...
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Vaj]

On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:46 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

> "Nondual Tantra." That's an interesting conundrum,
> because one valid definition of Tantra is "the recon-
> ciliation of opposites." Opposites are dualistic.
> They imply a dualistic universe.

In Nondual Tantra, "tantra" or gyu in Tibetan means "continuity" (of the 
primordial enlightened condition within samsara), as opposed to the 
descriptions given in the Inner and Outer Tantras. The "Base" of our 
enlightened condition exists as a continual alteration or weave of voidness and 
manifestation, just as it is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> "Of course I know what Easter is. Easter is when Christ comes out of
his
> tomb. And if he sees his shadow they'll be six more weeks of Lent." --
> Tommy Smothers, said live on the Smothers Brothers show
>
2nd big chuckle of the morning

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[seventhray1]

Are you sure you didn't mean "face transition

http://freshpics.blogspot.com/2010/07/rock-stars-then-and-now.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> 
> Happy Easter to you, too.Old "horse whisperer"
> 
> PHASE TRANSITION
> 
> 
> "In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for  
> shaking to remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the level
> of   Para, have to be Para—that is, unreachable by the surface
> turmoil. In that   integrated state, the fast moving chaos and change
> will pass away in a steady   manner. So we have to be very steady. We
> have to be very careful not to get   upset by little or big things. If
> we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase   transition will take much
> longer. Don't give importance to things which may   upset us.
> This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how  
> our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the
> basis of   all these transformations. More than ever before, time
> demands we remain   completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate
> time for us—we should   not become angry, indifferent, or sad; we
> should just be like an ocean. The   evolutionary power is waking up. We
> shake it, then leave it; then after some   time shake it again. Each
> time a new level of purity, awakening is   added." Maharishi 1992
> 
> Silence shared is Friendship.
> 
> Silence seen is Infinity.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence heard is Adoration.
> 
> Silence expressed is Beauty.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence maintained is   Strength.
> 
> Silence omitted is Suffering.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence allowed is Rest.
> 
> Silence recorded is Scripture.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence preserved is Our   Tradition.
> 
> Silence given is Initiating.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence   received is Joy.
> 
> Silence perceived is   Knowledge.
> 
> 
> 
> Silence stabilized is   Fulfilment.
> 
> Silence alone is."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's time for my favorite Easter cartoon again...

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Happy Easter
>
Really funny.  Fits our family exactly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[seventhray1]

> The best description I've come across is "Western Nondual Tantra."

But does it have a 5 cylinder overhead cam?


> I just completed my 2nd interview with Saniel and Linda today, and we
> discussed this topic quite a bit, as we did in last week's interview.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The cosmic Christ left his body

[Buck]

Even-handed BBC obit article, Sai Baba dies
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13180011


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> Don't be sad! Have a solemn Easter Sunday, offer homage in your heart
> and go on with your vibrating life, will you
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> >
> > The cosmic Christ left his body
> >
> >
> > The cosmic Christ left his body at Easter Sunday, the April 24, 2011
> at
> > 7.40 am (IST). Baba, Your are in our heart...
> >
> >
> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sri-sathya-sai-baba-dies-in-puttaparth\
> \
> > i-101074
> >
>  \
> > hi-101074>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The cosmic Christ left his body

[merudanda]

Don't be sad! Have a solemn Easter Sunday, offer homage in your heart
and go on with your vibrating life, will you


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
> The cosmic Christ left his body
>
>
> The cosmic Christ left his body at Easter Sunday, the April 24, 2011
at
> 7.40 am (IST). Baba, Your are in our heart...
>
>
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sri-sathya-sai-baba-dies-in-puttaparth\
\
> i-101074
>
 hi-101074>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Vaj]

On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>  
> > Because UC is TM and hence BS whereas VC (Vakra consciousness) is the real 
> > deal.
> 
> Vaj has a special bullet for every TM term. 
> 
Actually my take was simple (at least it seemed simple): find the Sanskrit 
equivalent of as many TM buzzwords as I could, and then place it within the 
context of South Asian awakening schools authentically or where it diverges.

[FairfieldLife] How to Love Your Enemies Re: Easter Prayer

[merudanda]

Here's a joke: A priest is giving a homily based on Jesus's command to
love your enemies.

"Now," he says, "I'll bet that many of us feel as if we have enemies  in
our lives," he says the congregation. "So raise your hands," he says, 
"if you have many enemies." And quite a few people raise their hands. 
"Now raise your hands if you have only a few enemies." And about half as
many people raise their hands. "Now raise your hands if you have only 
one or two enemies."  And even fewer people raised their hands.  "See," 
says the priest, "most of us feel like we have enemies."

"Now raise your hands if you have no enemies at all." And the priest 
looks around, and looks around, and finally, way in the back, a very, 
very old man raises his hand.  He stands up and says, "I have no enemies
whatsoever!" Delighted, the priest invites the man to the front of the 
church. "What a blessing!" the priest says. "How old are you?

"I'm 98 years old, and I have no enemies." The priest says, "What a 
wonderful Christian life you lead! And tell us all how it is that you 
have no enemies."

"All the bastards have died!"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/how-to-love-your-enemi\
es_b_841538.html
http://tinyurl.com/48ob3y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> With solemn reverence we offer homage today unto thee, our great Lord
Jesus, in whom was manifest the Universal Christ, and whose grace
descended upon us.  We offer unto thee, O Christ, thought-flowers that
symbolized the fragrance of our hearts' devotion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer with smiles and tears singing Alleluia

[merudanda]

In resurrectione tua, Christe, coeli et terra laetentur!
(In your resurrection, O Christ, let heaven and earth rejoice!)
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Rome and across the world,

Easter  morning brings us news that is ancient yet ever new: Christ is
risen!  The echo of this event, which issued forth from Jerusalem twenty
centuries ago, continues to resound in the Church, deep in whose heart 
lives the vibrant faith of Mary, Mother of Jesus, the faith of Mary 
Magdalene and the other women who first discovered the empty tomb, and 
the faith of Peter and the other Apostles.

Right down to our own  time – even in these days of advanced
communications technology – the  faith of Christians is based on
that same news, on the testimony of  those sisters and brothers who saw
firstly the stone that had been  rolled away from the empty tomb and
then the mysterious messengers who  testified that Jesus, the Crucified,
was risen. And then Jesus himself,  the Lord and Master, living and
tangible, appeared to Mary Magdalene, to  the two disciples on the road
to Emmaus, and finally to all eleven,  gathered in the Upper Room (cf.
Mk 16:9-14).

The resurrection of  Christ is not the fruit of speculation or mystical
experience: it is an  event which, while it surpasses history,
nevertheless happens at a  precise moment in history and leaves an
indelible mark upon it. The  light which dazzled the guards keeping
watch over Jesus' tomb has  traversed time and space. It is a
different kind of light, a divine  light, that has rent asunder the
darkness of death and has brought to  the world the splendour of God,
the splendour of Truth and Goodness.

Just  as the sun's rays in springtime cause the buds on the branches
of the  trees to sprout and open up, so the radiance that streams forth
from  Christ's resurrection gives strength and meaning to every
human hope, to  every expectation, wish and plan. Hence the entire
cosmos is rejoicing  today, caught up in the springtime of humanity,
which gives voice to  creation's silent hymn of praise. The Easter
Alleluia, resounding in the  Church as she makes her pilgrim way through
the world, expresses the  silent exultation of the universe and above
all the longing of every  human soul that is sincerely open to God,
giving thanks to him for his  infinite goodness, beauty and truth.

"In your resurrection, O  Christ, let heaven and earth rejoice."
To this summons to praise, which  arises today from the heart of the
Church, the "heavens" respond fully:  the hosts of angels,
saints and blessed souls join with one voice in our  exultant song. In
heaven all is peace and gladness. But alas, it is not  so on earth!
Here, in this world of ours, the Easter alleluia still  contrasts with
the cries and laments that arise from so many painful  situations:
deprivation, hunger, disease, war, violence. Yet it was for  this that
Christ died and rose again! He died on account of sin,  including ours
today, he rose for the redemption of history, including  our own. So my
message today is intended for everyone, and, as a  prophetic
proclamation, it is intended especially for peoples and  communities who
are undergoing a time of suffering, that the Risen  Christ may open up
for them the path of freedom, justice and peace.

May  the Land which was the first to be flooded by the light of the
Risen  One rejoice. May the splendour of Christ reach the peoples of the
Middle  East, so that the light of peace and of human dignity may
overcome the  darkness of division, hate and violence. In the current
conflict in  Libya, may diplomacy and dialogue take the place of arms
and may those  who suffer as a result of the conflict be given access to
humanitarian  aid. In the countries of northern Africa and the Middle
East, may all  citizens, especially young people, work to promote the
common good and  to build a society where poverty is defeated and every
political choice  is inspired by respect for the human person. May help
come from all  sides to those fleeing conflict and to refugees from
various African  countries who have been obliged to leave all that is
dear to them; may  people of good will open their hearts to welcome
them, so that the  pressing needs of so many brothers and sisters will
be met with a  concerted response in a spirit of solidarity; and may our
words of  comfort and appreciation reach all those who make such
generous efforts  and offer an exemplary witness in this regard.

May peaceful  coexistence be restored among the peoples of Ivory Coast,
where there is  an urgent need to tread the path of reconciliation and
pardon, in order  to heal the deep wounds caused by the recent violence.
May Japan find  consolation and hope as it faces the dramatic
consequences of the recent  earthquake, along with other countries that
in recent months have been  tested by natural disasters which have sown
pain and anguish.

May  heaven and earth rejoice at the witness of those who suffer
opposition  and even persecuti

[FairfieldLife] W H O is Sai Baba?

[nablusoss1008]

P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :



W H O  is  Sai Baba?



by R. D. Awle



[Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.

This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,

as long as the source is clearly attributed.]


  [Small OM, aka Pranava]

Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
   One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
another at His level for another sixty centuries."6


   That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)

   Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
me with you!  You are my God!"

   "Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
your Guru."

   "But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
suicide!"

   "Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
Baba's ashram.)8


   Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
"Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
birth."9 

   On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
multitude shall hear the voice!"10
  It seems
obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical
re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba.

   Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas
(the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an
Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna.  He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in
His presence as possible.11


 Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs
Anandashram in Kerala, was recently asked about the allegations against
Sai Baba.  He replied, "Forget about it.  He is God!"12

 Karunamayi (also known as Vijayeshwari Devi, considered by
many to be a living incarnation of the Goddess Sarasvati) recently told
one of her close devotees, "Sai Baba and Amma [meaning herself] are both
watching over you."  Apparently she also knows who Baba is!

   Yogi Ramsuratkumar made it clear on numerous occasions that
Sai Baba is an incarnation of God.  He often asked visitors from
Baba's ashram, "You've left God to see this beggar?"13
   (Of course,
that "beggar" was himself merged in the all-pervading
Consciousness; the beauty of his attainment was matched only by his
humility.)

   Shiva Balayogi, another of the great Gurus of the last
century, was once asked about Sai Baba.  He replied, "Sathya Sai
Baba is an Avatar."14


Master El Moya and Master Kuthumi, two of the great Ascended
Masters behind the founding of the Theosophical Movement, also declared
Sai Baba to be an Avatar. According to author Howard Murphet, in the
book "The Li

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[Tom Pall]

"Of course I know what Easter is.  Easter is when Christ comes out of his
tomb.   And if he sees his shadow they'll be six more weeks of Lent."  --
Tommy Smothers, said live on the Smothers Brothers show

[FairfieldLife] The cosmic Christ left his body

[nablusoss1008]

The cosmic Christ left his body


The cosmic Christ left his body at Easter Sunday, the April 24, 2011 at
7.40 am (IST). Baba, Your are in our heart...

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sri-sathya-sai-baba-dies-in-puttaparth\
i-101074
 

[FairfieldLife] Violet & Bobby

[nablusoss1008]

Bobby took his turn covering the eggs today while Violet took off for awhile. 
Violet is checking her eggs quite frequently now, so something might be 
happening soon :-)

http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Neo-Advaita revisited

[Buck]

Dear Pete, thanks for calling attention to this.  I did not realize just how 
bad and pervasive the problem is with the neo-advaitans.   It's shocking.   I 
thought this was just a problem here that was dampening down on the dome 
meditation numbers behind the scenes.  Obviously it is a much larger spiritual 
problem.  That web page is quite the survey of the problem.

-Buck in FF 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> That's a great article!
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Yifu  wrote:
> 
> > From: Yifu 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revisited
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:20 PM
> > on "Eastern Spirituality"...imo:
> > there's Advaita and Pseudo-Advaita (or Neo-A), not East or
> > West. 
> > ...
> > Neo-A revisited...
> > http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
> > 
> > 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Alex Stanley]

I have no idea why you're so fixated on me, but all I did was point out that 
Eastern Spirituality very often has a focus on creating a different future at 
the expense of being here now. It was not the broad brush condemnation of 
Eastern Spirituality that you seem to think it was. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> This is exactly where Sir J. Alexander Stanley went wrong in the other thread 
> when he condemned Eastern Spirituality. He got confused with the paths of 
> Yoga and tantra. Some don't have basics and feel qualified to somehow open 
> their big mouths in condemning others. They think they have found a new toy 
> and get all excited like a bunch of babies..LOL.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is about. 
> > The 2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 
> > 
> > Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.
> > 
> > Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a peak(self 
> > realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, there are methods 
> > and techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot of sacrifices to be 
> > made. But Tantra is just accepting that everything is divine and letting 
> > the divine flow into you.
> > 
> > Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with awareness. 
> > There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example Yoga can make you 
> > egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could make you just a lazy 
> > indulgent. 
> > 
> > Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into the 
> > Yoga Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you believe in 
> > tantra don't even bother.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> > > suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> > > 
> > > Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> > > 
> > > (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
> > > everything/all for a vivekin.)
> > > 
> > > ...and II 40: 
> > > 
> > > shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> > > 
> > > (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> > > one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> > > cntact with others.)
> > > 
> > > IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> > > a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> > > that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
> > > wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
> > > specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Every Thought

[Buck]

>
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > A  (short) message of Hope:
> > 
> 
> 
> This is an interesting short.  Very much about meditation and the value 
> thereof making no mention of particular technique and it then comes together 
> in the end advocating meditating ecumenically.  Very highly produced.  
> 
> On the one hand there is the head of TM speaking, pictures of Buddhists, some 
> secular people, science researchers that have nothing to do with TM talking, 
> some charts related to TM studies but un-identified as such to make a larger 
> point.  Yet throughout, particularly no mention of TM.  Was that edited this 
> way because TM is seen as being too controversial, spiritually material and 
> buzzy in the marketplace to mention in a larger exposition like this one?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4&feature=player_embedded#at=26


Put together in something larger, did John Hagelin and Deepak Chopra both see 
they are together on this short?  It's short and is really quite a 
large-thinking montage in ecumenical spirituality.  It's quite a  modern 
advocacy in what is largely known.  



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4&feature=player_embedded#at=26
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[Buck]

With solemn reverence we offer homage today unto thee, our great Lord Jesus, in 
whom was manifest the Universal Christ, and whose grace descended upon us.  We 
offer unto thee, O Christ, thought-flowers that symbolized the fragrance of our 
hearts' devotion.

Throughout eternity the event of they resurrection is celebrated by the gods 
and in our soul, that our consciousness also find resurrection in Christ 
Consciousness; that we rise about our ignorance and manifest the highest wisdom 
of that Infinite Intelligence.

O Universal Christ, be awakened within us! WE have crucified Thee with our 
ignorance.  Be resurrected within us again as everlasting Christ-Wisdom and 
perennial bliss.

Lead us from darkness to light, lift us from ignorance to wisdom, resurrect us 
from sorrow to eternal bliss in Thee, O infinite Christ! 

 -Paramahansa Yogananda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[merudanda]

Happy Easter to you, too.Old "horse whisperer"

PHASE TRANSITION


"In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for  
shaking to remain under control, we who are at the basis, at the level
of   Para, have to be Para—that is, unreachable by the surface
turmoil. In that   integrated state, the fast moving chaos and change
will pass away in a steady   manner. So we have to be very steady. We
have to be very careful not to get   upset by little or big things. If
we lose our basis, our dignity, the phase   transition will take much
longer. Don't give importance to things which may   upset us.
This is a very precious time for the world. Everything depends on how  
our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. Our awareness is the
basis of   all these transformations. More than ever before, time
demands we remain   completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate
time for us—we should   not become angry, indifferent, or sad; we
should just be like an ocean. The   evolutionary power is waking up. We
shake it, then leave it; then after some   time shake it again. Each
time a new level of purity, awakening is   added." Maharishi 1992

Silence shared is Friendship.

Silence seen is Infinity.



Silence heard is Adoration.

Silence expressed is Beauty.



Silence maintained is   Strength.

Silence omitted is Suffering.



Silence allowed is Rest.

Silence recorded is Scripture.



Silence preserved is Our   Tradition.

Silence given is Initiating.



Silence   received is Joy.

Silence perceived is   Knowledge.



Silence stabilized is   Fulfilment.

Silence alone is."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> 
> > How about Sex/Masturbation without guilt.
> >
> You don't mean Master Bation.  Has he come to FF yet?
>

Yes - Master Bation indeed, don't know if he has infiltrated the TM'ers yet - 
will let the people fighting secret battles with their sexuality confirm it..:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> 
> > Because UC is TM and hence BS whereas VC (Vakra consciousness) is the
> real deal.
> 
> 
> Vaj has a special bullet for every TM term.
>

Please don't criticize him,  he is the messiah for all the fallen TM'ers. I 
think he is doing an excellent filling in the void with VC.

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's time for my favorite Easter cartoon again...

[merudanda]

"You know, you plant a seed in the ground and you water it, and when the
season is right you harvest it. You don't dig it up every day to see how
it is doing."
always do whatever you are passionate about and the rest take care of
itself.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Happy Easter
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Ravi Yogi]

This is exactly where Sir J. Alexander Stanley went wrong in the other thread 
when he condemned Eastern Spirituality. He got confused with the paths of Yoga 
and tantra. Some don't have basics and feel qualified to somehow open their big 
mouths in condemning others. They think they have found a new toy and get all 
excited like a bunch of babies..LOL.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is about. 
> The 2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 
> 
> Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.
> 
> Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a peak(self 
> realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, there are methods 
> and techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot of sacrifices to be made. 
> But Tantra is just accepting that everything is divine and letting the divine 
> flow into you.
> 
> Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with awareness. 
> There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example Yoga can make you 
> egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could make you just a lazy 
> indulgent. 
> 
> Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into the Yoga 
> Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you believe in tantra 
> don't even bother.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> > suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> > 
> > Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> > 
> > (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
> > everything/all for a vivekin.)
> > 
> > ...and II 40: 
> > 
> > shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> > 
> > (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> > one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> > cntact with others.)
> > 
> > IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> > a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> > that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
> > wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
> > specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Negative" suutras!

[Ravi Yogi]

There is nothing negative if you understand what the path of yoga is about. The 
2 main paths in spirituality are yoga and tantra. 

Yoga is masculine, tantra is feminine, yoga is rajasic tantra tamasic.

Yoga is about will, action, the path of the warrior. There is a peak(self 
realization) to climb, theres lot of discipline required, there are methods and 
techniques to scale the mountain. There are lot of sacrifices to be made. But 
Tantra is just accepting that everything is divine and letting the divine flow 
into you.

Yoga is suppression with awareness and tantra is indulgence with awareness. 
There are strengths and weaknesses to both. For example Yoga can make you 
egostic and life abnegating whereas tantra could make you just a lazy 
indulgent. 

Once this basic principle is understood it is easy to then dive into the Yoga 
Sutras which is the essence of the path if the Yoga. If you believe in tantra 
don't even bother.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
> suutras in YS? Like II 15:
> 
> Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.
> 
> (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
> everything/all for a vivekin.)
> 
> ...and II 40: 
> 
> shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.
> 
> (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
> one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
> cntact with others.)
> 
> IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
> a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
> that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
> wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
> specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Old film

[merudanda]

lol oh mei oh mei-my dear T , my dear T and this on Easter Sunday(!)
but lets go along with the music
and with this accent
but it is (Gräfin)Countess Bluecher
Beware  Turq here she is outing you as your...you know(!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBx8JNarOlg&NR=1
so be careful now (furisto-Fürst)Prince Nikolaus Blücher von
Wahlstatt is watching Youmy advice
here for old time sake
Young Count and Countess
the real Prince Nikolaus Blücher von Wahlstatt raises the Flag of
Invincibility and throwing down his gauntlet, so to speak,demanding
satisfaction
Turque you have no cance to win a (duellum)duel against the Invincible
one!Remember if a gentleman's honour was offended by a person of lower
class, he would not duel him, but would simply beat him with a whip or
have his servants do so. Being a "von" myself I ll offer  being your
"second" to  shield you.
Mhhmhh as Turquoise Bee you may have Royal blood ...do it yourself
was  a fun day
Easter Sunday..HAPPY EASTER
to you, too

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > A friend asks:
> >
> > Also, do you know what happened to this?  I never saw it and
> > the link is no longer valid.
> >
> > Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher <
>
> Maybe this is the missing video. It's got a certain
> Frau Blucher in it:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQiXPHhZ4Go
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[cardemaister]

> 
> Others argue that "videha" or bodiless liberation actually refers to 
> 'liberation from the body, while still in the body'.

FWIW, here's the suutra (and Bhojadeva's comment [vRtti])
following the YF-suutra, with B. Mullquist's remarks and attempts at 
"translation":


bahirakalpitA vR^ittirmahAvidehA tataH prakAshAvaraNakShayaH .. vibhUti (B.M: 
the suutra about vRtti called mahaa-videhaa)
43..

vR^ittiH \-\-\- sharIrAdbahiryA manasaH sharIranairapekShyeNa
vR^ittiH sA mahAvidehA nAma vigatAhaMkArakAryavegA  

B.M: The vRtti of mind associated with complete disregard by the mind
of the body is called mahaa-videhaa (which means), disappeared
ahaMkaara-kaarya-vegaa (something like "all activity associated
with ahaMkaara"; extremely free "translation").

vigatasharIrAhaMkAradArDhyadvAreNa ##]## uchyate . tatastasyAM kR^itAt
saMyamAt prakAshAvaraNakShayaH sAttvikasya chittasya yaH prakAshaH tasya
yadAvaraNaM kleshakarmAdi tasya kShayaH pravilayo bhavati . ayamarthaH
\-\-\- sharIrAhaMkAre sati yA manaso bahirvR^ittiH sA kalpitetyuchyate .
yadA punaH sharIrAdahaMkArabhAvaM parityajya svAtantryeNa manaso
vR^ittiH sA.akalpitA . 

--

tasyAM saMyamAdyoginaH sarve chittamalAH kShIyante .. 43..

B.M: Performing saMyama on that vRtti (mahaa-videhaa) destroys 
all impurities of the mind of a yogi.



tadevaM pUrvAntaviShayAH parAntaviShayA madhyabhAvAshcha siddhIH
pratipAdyA.anantaraM bhuvanaj~nAnAdirUpA bAhyAH kAyavyUhAdirUpA
AbhyantarAH parikarmaniShpannabhUtAshcha maitryAdiShu balAnItyevamAdyAH
samAdhyupayoginIshchAntaHkaraNabahiHkaraNalakShaNendriyabhavAH
prANAdivAyubhavAshcha siddhIshchittadArDhyAya samAdheshchAshvAsotpattaye
pratipAdyedAnIM svadarshanopayogisabIjanirbIjasamAdhisiddhaye
vividhopAyapradarshanAyAha \-\-\-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope "won" the Finnish parlianmentary election? ; )

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Finland
> 
> Finland has the lowest proportion of Roman Catholics in all of Europe, about 
> 9,000 people[1]. The overwhelming majority are foreign-born, particularly 
> Polish. About half of the priests are Polish. As of 2007 there are only two 
> Finland-born priests, and only one of them works in Finland. The Bishop of 
> Helsinki is Mgr. Teemu Sippo, appointed on June 16, 2009. He is the first 
> Finn to serve as a Catholic bishop for over 500 years.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Soini
> 

http://timosoini.fi/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/LT2-online-plus-p7-RURAL.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Old film

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> A friend asks:
> 
> Also, do you know what happened to this?  I never saw it and 
> the link is no longer valid.
> 
> Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher < 

Maybe this is the missing video. It's got a certain
Frau Blucher in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQiXPHhZ4Go

[FairfieldLife] It's time for my favorite Easter cartoon again...

[turquoiseb]

Happy Easter

[FairfieldLife] Pope "won" the Finnish parlianmentary election? ; )

[cardemaister]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Finland

Finland has the lowest proportion of Roman Catholics in all of Europe, about 
9,000 people[1]. The overwhelming majority are foreign-born, particularly 
Polish. About half of the priests are Polish. As of 2007 there are only two 
Finland-born priests, and only one of them works in Finland. The Bishop of 
Helsinki is Mgr. Teemu Sippo, appointed on June 16, 2009. He is the first Finn 
to serve as a Catholic bishop for over 500 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Soini

Personal background

[...][4] He is a devout Roman Catholic, which he became as a result of his 
experiences on his many trips to Ireland.[5] Soini has also publicly announced 
that he is a cordial friend of the state of Israel.[6] According to BBC Soini 
is "a die-hard supporter" of English football club Millwall FC.[7] Soini lives 
now in Kaitaa suburbs in Espoo, Finland.


Parliamentary election 2011

The True Finns obtained 39 seats in the 2011 election, making them the third 
largest party. Soini received 43 212 personal votes, the highest amount of all 
of the candidates.[8] Soini managed to raise the popularity of the party from 
4.1% to 19.0% in four years. Helsingin Sanomat reviewed in an editorial that 
Soini "rewrote the electoral history books".[9] According to BBC, behind 
Soini's success was "brain, wit and charisma".[10] A political analyst and 
university professor pointed to Soini's oratory skills and ability to appeal to 
common people and make complicated things look easy.[11] The election result 
was also referred to as "shocking" and "exceptional".[12]

[FairfieldLife] "Negative" suutras!

[cardemaister]

Why has Patañjali included some "negative"
suutras in YS? Like II 15:

Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH.

(Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] 
everything/all for a vivekin.)

...and II 40: 

shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH.

(Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for
one's own body and disinclination to come in physical
cntact with others.)

IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when
a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter
that "stuff", he(she) might think there's something
wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't
specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o