Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The future of movies?

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I suspected when I first saw it that this film -- "The Congress" -- would fall 
into a certain category of Film Hell for me -- Movies You Watch That Have The 
Immediate Effect Of Making You Forget You Ever Watched Them. 

That's exactly what happened when I first saw it -- I got to the end, switched 
it off, and unconsciously (but completely effectively) forgot that I'd ever 
seen it. Later (only a few weeks later), someone brought up the same film here 
on FFL, and my reaction to what they wrote was, "Oh, that sounds 
interesting...I should watch that." So I downloaded it again and started to 
watch it, only to discover that I"d already seen it. I just almost did the same 
thing after reading your review, Edg. 

I'd love to be able to tell you WHY I reacted so negatively to this film, but 
honestly I have shut it so far out of my mind so completely that I can't 
remember. All I do remember is the horrific tedium of sitting there waiting for 
a film that took itself as gawd-awful SERIOUSLY as this film did to END, 
already. 

Pity. I like Robin Wright, although any impression I have of her from this film 
wasn't strong enough to have stuck around in my mind. I *don't* like Harvey 
Keitel, and haven't since he took one of the great characters of UK TV (Lt. 
Gene Hunt in "Life On Mars") and turned it into a travesty, creating literally 
the worst remake of a great TV series ever made. Anyway, I wouldn't be likely 
to remember him even if he *was* interesting in this film, but I suspect he 
wasn't. He's just "phoning in" his performances these days. 

Literally nothing else of the film stayed with me. I suspect that constitutes a 
"bad review."  :-)
Mainly it's the HUMORLESSNESS and the taking itself so SERIOUSLY. In the world 
of cinema, that's as much of a tipoff that someone doesn't really have anything 
to say as it is when you encounter those same two traits on FFL.  :-) 

  From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:42 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The future of movies?
   
    Saw The Congress.  Just now finished.  

I'd have to say "It's a grind to watch." 

Sigh, it's kinda silly ass, kinda full of itself, and these good actors have 
NOT been good actors in thisphew!just wasn't convincing in many other 
departments too -- animation sucked ass, script was leaden, characters went 
against type and not in a good way, philosophy was Jr. High goth level, and 
"where did the money go?" seems to be a legitimate question.  

But day-am, I got myself into a sometimes three-four thoughts in a row lather 
about the issues raised in this film.  

There's plenty of meat to gnaw off of this beast -- IF you've a mind you can 
let off the leash enough to free-associate while watching this.  

The film is bad enough that the mind wanders, and that's it's secret -- it's 
slow enough that you can wander away without missing much and yet the film 
sorta "shapes your dive" into your imagineerium "enough" to trigger ones own 
creative processes to muse about the present dynamics as they might be found in 
ones "real life."  And that's what "got to me," methinks.

So there's that profit.  Gets your certainties all riled up from out of left 
field, and smacks you around if you don't have enough clarity to keep the 
plot-mess straight, and meanwhile there's me in my thought-stream's asides, 
dwelling on identity, actuality, bio-heaven, dreams, death, and EVERYTHING 
else.  The movie'll prod ya with axioms you've never had to juggle so adroitly 
-- just to keep up -- and, no, it's not in a good way like I said, but geeze, 
hold your nose and watch it.

Get back to us here.  We can have mutual anxiety or something.

  

[FairfieldLife] First Impressions: The Librarians

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

It's just as silly as the movies were.
 

 So...
 

 If you thought the movies were a fun watch, I think the series will be too. 
 

 Bob Newhart hasn't made his cameo yet. I doubt it will be more ninja-busting 
moves, but I'm sure they gave him something else suitably over-the-top to do 
for likely his only appearance -he is, after all, the original Librarian of 
Alexandria, if I remember correctly, and getting rather old.
 

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The future of movies?

[Duveyoung]

Saw The Congress.  Just now finished.  

I'd have to say "It's a grind to watch." 

Sigh, it's kinda silly ass, kinda full of itself, and these good actors have 
NOT been good actors in thisphew!just wasn't convincing in many other 
departments too -- animation sucked ass, script was leaden, characters went 
against type and not in a good way, philosophy was Jr. High goth level, and 
"where did the money go?" seems to be a legitimate question.  

But day-am, I got myself into a sometimes three-four thoughts in a row lather 
about the issues raised in this film.  

There's plenty of meat to gnaw off of this beast -- IF you've a mind you can 
let off the leash enough to free-associate while watching this.  

The film is bad enough that the mind wanders, and that's it's secret -- it's 
slow enough that you can wander away without missing much and yet the film 
sorta "shapes your dive" into your imagineerium "enough" to trigger ones own 
creative processes to muse about the present dynamics as they might be found in 
ones "real life."  And that's what "got to me," methinks.

So there's that profit.  Gets your certainties all riled up from out of left 
field, and smacks you around if you don't have enough clarity to keep the 
plot-mess straight, and meanwhile there's me in my thought-stream's asides, 
dwelling on identity, actuality, bio-heaven, dreams, death, and EVERYTHING 
else.  The movie'll prod ya with axioms you've never had to juggle so adroitly 
-- just to keep up -- and, no, it's not in a good way like I said, but geeze, 
hold your nose and watch it.

Get back to us here.  We can have mutual anxiety or something.

[FairfieldLife] Pissing Against the Wall

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

MJ questioned  why this act is mentioned in the Bible.  So, here is the 
explanation from a preacher to clarify any doubts:
 

 Public Urination in the Bible - Pisseth Against the Wall - The Lavatory Reader 
http://lavatoryreader.typepad.com/the-lavatory-reader/2009/10/public-urination-in-the-bible-pissing-against-the-wall.html

 
 
 
http://lavatoryreader.typepad.com/the-lavatory-reader/2009/10/public-urination-in-the-bible-pissing-against-the-wall.html
 
 
 Public Urination in the Bible - Pisseth Against the Wall... 
http://lavatoryreader.typepad.com/the-lavatory-reader/2009/10/public-urination-in-the-bible-pissing-against-the-wall.html
 It has been argued that “him that pisseth against the wall” is a proverb 
meaning “every male person”
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I can't imagine what you are like in real life. You are hard to figure out - 
are you serious in your posts or are you using subtle humor?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    MJ,
You have to read the citations in context with the narrative.   Urinating on 
the wall can be interpreted as a sign of disrespect or may violate some Jewish 
laws regarding cleanliness.   My translation of this passage shows that it was 
David who said this in 1 Samuel.  He was referencing the fact that his men have 
not harmed any of Nabal's property.  Thus, he was taking responsibility for any 
harm or disrespect, including any of his men who may piss on the wall owned by 
Nabal.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish 
severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall.
   
   - 1 Samuel 25:22  
  - So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all 
that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.


   
   - 1 Samuel 25:34  
  - For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, whichhath kept me 
back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and cometo meet me, surely 
there had not been left unto Nabal by the morninglight any that pisseth against 
the wall.


   
   - 1 Kings 14:10  
  - Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and 
will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, andhim that is 
shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnantof the house of 
Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be allgone.


   
   - 1 Kings 16:11  
  - And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his 
throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth 
against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.


   
   - 1 Kings 21:21  
  - Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, 
and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is 
shut up and left in Israel,


   
   - 2 Kings 9:8  
  - For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab 
him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
 
 Empty,
Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament.  It has taken the 
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that 
Christians have.
Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written.  At 
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and 
people.  Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the 
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that 
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation.  It is now obvious that 
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism and 
radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.  
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq 
and Syria.
The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that 
consciousness is common to all humans.  It is the link that binds everyone to 
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions.  I am sure there is 
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and 
dogmas of all religions.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teachespeace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that theBible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't haveit both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, thesystematic destruction of entire populations of 
human beings. If that'sChristian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out thefollowing verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest thatGod himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving outfrom before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and thePerizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lestyou make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you aregoing, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy theiraltars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name isJealous, is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I can't imagine what you are like in real life. You are hard to figure out - 
are you serious in your posts or are you using subtle humor?

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    MJ,
You have to read the citations in context with the narrative.   Urinating on 
the wall can be interpreted as a sign of disrespect or may violate some Jewish 
laws regarding cleanliness.   My translation of this passage shows that it was 
David who said this in 1 Samuel.  He was referencing the fact that his men have 
not harmed any of Nabal's property.  Thus, he was taking responsibility for any 
harm or disrespect, including any of his men who may piss on the wall owned by 
Nabal.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish 
severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall.
   
   - 1 Samuel 25:22  
  - So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all 
that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.


   
   - 1 Samuel 25:34  
  - For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, whichhath kept me 
back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and cometo meet me, surely 
there had not been left unto Nabal by the morninglight any that pisseth against 
the wall.


   
   - 1 Kings 14:10  
  - Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and 
will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, andhim that is 
shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnantof the house of 
Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be allgone.


   
   - 1 Kings 16:11  
  - And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his 
throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth 
against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.


   
   - 1 Kings 21:21  
  - Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, 
and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is 
shut up and left in Israel,


   
   - 2 Kings 9:8  
  - For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab 
him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
 
 Empty,
Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament.  It has taken the 
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that 
Christians have.
Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written.  At 
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and 
people.  Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the 
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that 
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation.  It is now obvious that 
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism and 
radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.  
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq 
and Syria.
The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that 
consciousness is common to all humans.  It is the link that binds everyone to 
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions.  I am sure there is 
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and 
dogmas of all religions.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teachespeace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that theBible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't haveit both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, thesystematic destruction of entire populations of 
human beings. If that'sChristian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out thefollowing verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest thatGod himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving outfrom before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and thePerizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lestyou make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you aregoing, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy theiraltars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name isJealous, is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

MJ, 

 You have to read the citations in context with the narrative.   Urinating on 
the wall can be interpreted as a sign of disrespect or may violate some Jewish 
laws regarding cleanliness.   My translation of this passage shows that it was 
David who said this in 1 Samuel.  He was referencing the fact that his men have 
not harmed any of Nabal's property.  Thus, he was taking responsibility for any 
harm or disrespect, including any of his men who may piss on the wall owned by 
Nabal.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish 
severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall.

 1 Samuel 25:22 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Samuel-25-22/  So and 
more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to 
him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall. 

 1 Samuel 25:34 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Samuel-25-34/  For in 
very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from 
hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had 
not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the 
wall. 

 1 Kings 14:10 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-14-10/  Therefore, 
behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from 
Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in 
Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man 
taketh away dung, till it be all gone. 

 1 Kings 16:11 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-16-11/  And it came 
to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew 
all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, 
neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends. 

 1 Kings 21:21 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-21-21/  Behold, I 
will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off 
from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left 
in Israel, 

 2 Kings 9:8 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Kings-9-8/  For the whole 
house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth 
against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel: 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
 
 
   Empty,
 

 Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament.  It has taken the 
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that 
Christians have.
 

 Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written.  At 
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and 
people.  Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the 
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
 

 Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that 
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation.  It is now obvious that 
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
 

 In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism 
and radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.  
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq 
and Syria.
 

 The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that 
consciousness is common to all humans.  It is the link that binds everyone to 
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions.  I am sure there is 
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and 
dogmas of all religions.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
 

 Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
 

 Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)
 Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
 

 
 You will chase your enem

Re: [FairfieldLife] Goon thug cops murder at will

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 3:47 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:
/>//
//Just imagine what the Dutch police and Interpol are going to do with 
some of the informants on FFL when they catch them.//

//>/


Goon Thug Cops Murder At Will -- Paul Craig Roberts - 
PaulCraigRoberts.org 






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Goon Thug Cops Murder At Will Paul Craig Roberts Another goon thug 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Skaktipat

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

So can you, Richard, give shaktipat?

>
Of course, but I don't usually give out that teaching for the simple 
reason that students can become dependent on it and thus fail to 
develop their own shakti. According to the other Barry, it's really 
no big deal - it's based on attention meditation. You develop 
kundalini every time you practice TM.

>
On 12/7/2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
>

How many people have you given shaktipat to?

>
Being an ex-military brat for 18 years, counting my residence of 10 
years in California, and my 15 years employment at my local community 
college,  I'd estimate that I've given third-eye  "shaktipat" to at 
least 10,000 individual over a period of 70 years.


In my relationship to Rita, I've probably giver her the left-hand 
shaktipat at least once every week for the past 20 years. It's not 
complicated when you have a real Shakti to give it to, instead of just a 
paper doll.


It only seems to be esoteric to single guys, but in reality it's just 
what normal couples do. On the path of Tantra it's called "energized 
enthusiasm". Go figure.


The term "shaktipat" refers to the conferring of spiritual energy upon 
one person by another. "Shaktipat can be transmitted with a word or 
mantra, or by a look, thought or just a touch" – the last usually by 
means of the "yoni mudra" directly to the region of the solar plexus.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktipat

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Who needs Israel when we've got such good friends in Saudi.
Why they're even lowering their sell price for crude so they 
can save us from fracking-up our environment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh gosh. Yer so right. Blah blah blah ... 

Your genocidal maniacs are so much better than mine.
You should keep 'em close and relish them. Why everyone
needs a few to spice up their current history - just so they can
maintain their rage. 

Damn Buddhist psychopaths. Didn't Gautama say:

 "O Monks - maintain a good samâdhi to find out all the defiled ones. Then you 
can hang them from the trees as you go out and beg for your daily meal. Be 
vigilant - they are everywhere." 

Now that's a past you can be proud of all day long.

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


This is a "corporate science" article where he gives himself away when 
he advocates the Mediterranean Diet.

/>
This doesn't really square with the other Barry's take on maintaining a 
healthy diet, so I guess you are correct - no one diet is perfect for 
everyone. But, based on the anecdotal evidence presented by the other 
Barry - his diet and exercise plan seems to be a lot simpler and more 
fun - normal food, cooked well, and walking and riding. Go figure.

>/
This is *no one diet* that fits all.  We are *individuals* and have 
different dietary needs.  This is at the core of Ayurvedic and Chinese 
medicine.  And there is corresponding western research into 
"biochemical individuality" but it is apparently too "complicated" for 
most western doctors. Perhaps they should have been scrub nurses instead.


Things that are often called "snake oil" may often be marketed because 
they *did* work for some people. For instance the Mediterranean Diet 
will help folks who have "metbolic syndrone".   Unfortunatley 
corporate medicine treats the public as if they *all *have metabolic 
syndrome.  I don't have it.  Lots of people don't have it.  It's 
"shotgun medicine" at it's worst.


There definitely are some detox methods that work and they have been 
around for ages.  We know some of them from Ayurveda and from Chinese 
Medicine.  Some are part of western folk medicine.  And some 
heaven forbid, came from  esteemed medical clinics such as the 
Mayo and Lacy Clinic.


To throw out some of these methods, diets and so force is often 
throwing out the baby with the bath water.  Both Ayurvedic and Chinese 
medicine are based on biochemistry!  Toss out biochemistry and you 
toss out corporate medicine too.


On 12/07/2014 01:54 AM, eustace10679 wrote:


There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a 
nonsense. Diet and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which 
of the latest fad regimes can really make a difference? We look at 
the facts



Friday 5 December 2014 04.00 EST


Whether it’s cucumbers splashing into water or models sitting smugly 
next to a pile of vegetables, it’s tough not to be sucked in by the 
detox industry. The idea that you can wash away your calorific sins 
is the perfect antidote to our fast-food lifestyles and 
alcohol-lubricated social lives. But before you dust off that juicer 
or take the first tentative steps towards a colonic irrigation 
clinic, there’s something you should know: detoxing – the idea that 
you can flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky 
clean and raring to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept 
designed to sell you things.


“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of 
complementary medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of 
detox: one is respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, 
he says, is the medical treatment of people with life-threatening 
drug addictions. “The other is the word being hijacked by 
entrepreneurs, quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus treatment that 
allegedly detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have 
accumulated.”


If toxins did build up in a way your body couldn’t excrete, he says, 
you’d likely be dead or in need of serious medical intervention. “The 
healthy body has kidneys, a liver, skin, even lungs that are 
detoxifying as we speak,” he says. “There is no known way – certainly 
not through detox treatments – to make something that works perfectly 
well in a healthy body work better.”


Much of the sales patter revolves around “toxins”: poisonous 
substances that you ingest or inhale. But it’s not clear exactly what 
these toxins are. If they were named they could be measured before 
and after treatment to test effectiveness. Yet, much like floaters in 
your eye, try to focus on these toxins and they scamper from view. In 
2009, a network of scientists assembled by the UK charity Sense about 
Science contacted the manufacturers of 15 products sold in pharmacies 
and supermarkets that claimed to detoxify. The products ranged from 
dietary supplements to smoothies and shampoos. When the scientists 
asked for evidence behind the claims, not one of the manufacturers 
could define what they meant by detoxification, let alone name the 
toxins.


Yet, inexplicably, the shelves of health food stores are still packed 
with products bearing the word “detox” – it’s the marketing 
equivalent of drawing go-faster stripes on your car. You can buy 
detoxifying tablets, tinctures, tea bags, face masks, bath salts, 
hair brushes, shampoos, body gels and even hair straighteners. Yoga, 
luxury retreats, and massages will also all erroneously promise to 
detoxify. You can go on a seven-day detox diet and you’ll probably 
lose weight, but that’s nothing to do with toxins, it’s because you 
would have starved yourself for a week.


Then there’s colonic irrigation. I

[FairfieldLife] Iowans: what's up with your Senator?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

He must be getting senile in his old age.  He was to make things worse 
for college students.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/06/tom-harkin-pell-grants_n_6278920.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 7:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
>
*/Tell me about it. I live with a family of good cooks (yes, including 
myself), so we eat well. fairly healthily, and omnivorally :-). On top 
of eating all that meat stuff, I have a glass of wine with every 
dinner and a couple of pints o'beer 3-4 times a week at my local pub. 
Lots of good desserts. My "exercise program" consists mainly of 
walking my dog and walking/riding my bike all around Leiden. Other 
than to enjoy what I'm eating, I pay no attention whatsoever to the 
supposed good-for-me-ness or not-good-for-me-ness of it, and never 
have, my whole life.

/*

/>
This pretty much shoots down the anti-GMO theories of the other Barry 
and MJ. Thanks for posting this report, Barry. Now I think I'll just 
eat, drink and be merry.

>//*
*/

*/
/*
*/So imagine my surprise when I had to find a new huisarts (General 
Practitioner) recently and she told me that my blood pressure, blood 
sugar, and cholesterol levels are spot-on normal, and that all 
indications are that I'm as healthy as a horse. Go figure. In a way 
it's good that the people who moved on to The_Peak did so, because 
otherwise when they heard this they'd be muttering under their breath 
about how karma is even more indeterminable than they thought, and 
that the universe really, really isn't fair.  :-)/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I wouldn't want to get my ass shot off for Israel either.

On 12/07/2014 04:21 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I am sure Andy is right and that we all have been had (to varying 
extents and degrees). The key is figuring out by whom and by what.



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[FairfieldLife] Sorkinisms (was Doctor of Plagiarism)

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's another.  

 Sorkinisms - A Supercut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI 
 
 Sorkinisms - A Supercut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI Edited by 
Kevin Porter (follow me on Twitter @KevinTPorter) This video is a tribute to 
the work of Aaron Sorkin: the recycled dialogue, recurring phrases, an...
 
 
 
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 Sorkin appears to have a effective formula
 1) sketch out nuanced compelling characters (easier said than done) with 
quirky traits 
 2) place characters in interesting topical situations and dilemmas. 
 3) just let the characters react to the situations per their traits and quirks.
 4) for each series or film, liberally borrow, apply, and repeat a subset 
cluster of a stockpile of pithy throwaway lines.
 5) as plot history unfolds across seasons, liberally reference past actions 
and quirks pertaining to current situation. 
 6) collect massive checks and copious awards
 

 Some character clips
 

 Countdown of the Awkwardness of Sloan Sabbith (UPDATED!) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-7oN84Gi8k 
 
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 Countdown of the Awkwardness of Sloan Sab... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-7oN84Gi8k Okay folks, we are half way through 
Season 2 of The Newsroom (which is sad news in itself) and I decided that the 
Sloan Sabbith countdown needed some updat...
 
 
 
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 The Newsroom - Sloan & Mac Economic Lesson 
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 The Newsroom - Sloan & Mac Economic Lesson 
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 The Newsroom: The Best of Charlie Skinner 
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhW21Im7p0 
 
 The Newsroom: The Best of Charlie Skinner 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhW21Im7p0 Sam Waterston as the crotchety, 
bourbon-drinking news department head, Charlie Skinner.
 
 
 
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 Georgia the State versus Georgia the Country 
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 Georgia the State versus Georgia the Country 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRywpjVROrk Maggie mixes up Georgia the state 
and Georgia the country and it may have gotten Will into trouble, too bad she 
has to explain it to Jim. VISIT ME AT: http:/...
 
 
 
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 The Newsroom Season 3: Maggie Character Mashup (HBO) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53BdrCXrMU

 
 
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i4zNm4KqYg 
 
 The Newsroom 2x07 - Jane Fonda turns awesome 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i4zNm4KqYg The final scene of The Newsroom 
episode "Red Team III" (S02E07). Leona Lansing (played by Jane Fonda) rejects 
the resignations of Will, Mac and Charlie an...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] genocidal buddhists in Bhutan

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 1:12 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:
>
genocidal buddhists in Bhutan
>
/We've really got a hate fest going on FFL today!

Don't you just hate those Buddhists, Christians and Hindus!? We should 
do something about these genocidal true believers and wipe them out 
along with the Muslims and the Jews. Wipe them off the face of the 
earth. Gawd - it's just outrageous!/

>


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Worship of the self!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 1:02 PM, jr_esq@ wrote:
>


Maybe she's starting a new type of theology, which is probably closer 
to Joel's ideas than one can imagine.  If her congregation believes 
it, then she's just voicing out the will of her congregation.  If not, 
more likely she'll be silenced from preaching it.



>
Joel Osteen is the Senior Pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, , 
the largest Protestant church in the U.S. Osteen was born in Houston and 
was recently in San Antonio presenting his /"A Night of Hope"/ seminar 
and it was well received - he is very popular around here. His wife, 
Victoria Iloff, is the co-pastor of Lakewood Church.


We didn't attend the seminar in San Antonio, but we watch his sermon on 
TV sometimes just for inspiration and I have read one of his books - he 
seems like a reasonable preacher.


According to what I've read, Osteen's core belief is that God likes, 
accepts, and approves of all people.


/"When I grew up, the Devil was a reason why I had a headache or the 
Devil was the reason I got mad today. We always blamed the Devil. I 
think today when I say the enemy, I like to make it broader. Sometimes 
the enemy can be our own thoughts. We’ve trained ourselves the wrong 
way. Or the enemy can be our own lack of discipline. //

//
//Some people preach about Hell like you're already going there, and to 
me the Gospel means 'Good News.' I'd rather say God is a God of mercy. 
So I think the people already know what they’re doing wrong, and I 
certainly believe in Hell. //

//
//But to me, when I see thousands of people before me, it just doesn’t 
come out of me to say, 'You guys are terrible, and you’re going to 
Hell.' I’d rather say that God is a God of mercy. You’ve got to live an 
obedient life, but for every mistake you’ve made, there’s mercy there, 
and I believe we can do better."/ - Joel Osteen

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When New Age takes over the Christians.

Victoria Osteen Comments Cause Controversy; She Says Worship And 
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[FairfieldLife] 49ers Lose Battle of the Bay

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's the proverbial handwriting on the wall.  The Niners are probably not going 
to the playoffs, and will lose Coach Jim Harbaugh to another team.  There's a 
news report that he will leave to coach a university in Michigan, or even the 
Oakland Raiders next year.
 

 On the other hand, the Raiders played well and showed flashes of progress for 
the future.  But nobody knows where the team will end up after this season.  
They could possibly move to Los Angeles, a big town in need of a professional 
football team they can call their own.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Empty, 

 Times have changed.  It is already clear that evolved human beings should not 
be acting as fundamentalists who demand that their dogmas must be obeyed or be 
annihilated.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christians assert that their jesus-god is the same god as yhvh. However they 
prefer to ignore the Book of Joshua and the genocide of Canaanites by yhwh and 
his henchmen.
  
 That very “god” of the Jews, Christian and Muslims is the one who offers the 
lands and cities of Canaan for targeted appropriation and all of its peoples 
for annihilation. The inhabitants, along with their lands, livestock and 
chattels are marked for destruction and for vicious slaughter at the hands of 
the Jews. All of the men, women, children and babies were either pierced or 
decapitated by swords. You gotta love this frenzied offering of the blood of 
babies to their thirsty demon .
  
 These are the “sacred histories” of a tribal demon – not a god. Muhammad 
claimed that he served the same “god” and thus did the same … killing 
non-believers at will. ISIS is simply following the example of Muhammad, Moses 
and Joshua and is putting the bullet and long-knife to anyone opposing them or 
simply not believing.
  
 Forget asserting that this demon is a “god”.  The “god” concept was grafted 
upon the demon yhvh through contact with Persian Zoroastrianism and Hellenic 
Platonism.   
  
 The world is already full of homicidal maniacs. We don’t need no stinkun 
genocidal demons to worship too.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 12:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
PS In short, it's not the religion, it's the evolution of the 
practioners and all have fallen short of the glory of God!

>
/It would probably take someone in pretty deep cognitive dissonance to 
think that Christian practitioners are anything like the Christians 
described in the New Testament, Mike./

>




*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:54 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the 
rightous and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to 
be concerned for those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, 
in the *name* of God, is in itself, wicked because it is purely 
political as opposed to God's judgement. You might ask yourself, Why 
did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob judge those groups so harshly 
and wanted them destroyed and why everyone? In one case, the king of 
Israel granted mercy and spaired some lives,really for 
ransom,violating what the prophet had told him. One person that he let 
go, gave birth to a group of people, that hundreds of years later, 
tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, starting with those in 
Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were destined to produce the
Kwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would 
bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the 
Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those 
that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those 
that bless you and curse those that curse you".




*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians 
like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:54 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita?

>
/Not only has he read it, he probably has a copy at his bedside. How 
many years did he say he was a member to the that Orthodox Christian 
sect?//So, I wonder if he can spell cognitive dissonance?/

>
Same thing. "I come to reward the rightous and destroy the wicked" and 
He instructs the devotee not to be concerned for those that He judges. 
Now, men doing the same thing, in the *name* of God, is in itself, 
wicked because it is purely political as opposed to God's judgement. 
You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob 
judge those groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why 
everyone? In one case, the king of Israel granted mercy and spaired 
some lives,really for ransom,violating what the prophet had told 
him. One person that he let go, gave birth to a group of people, that 
hundreds of years later, tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, 
starting with those in Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were 
destined to produce the
Kwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would 
bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the 
Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those 
that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those 
that bless you and curse those that curse you".


*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians 
like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. 
They'll claim that God required his followers to commit genocidal 
atrocities during the time of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought 
a New Testament which instead instructs people to turn the other cheek.


First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea 
out. Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they 
slaughtered their enemies in the name of God. Church

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Curtis: If you had only written this line: "the Movement (light beam superhero 
team) " ...
   Revision: Light beam superhero dream team.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:48 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>


I think you should leave and start your own site Buck. You could call 
it "The Plateau - for people who have stopped thinking".



>
Why not just call in the police and have Buck placed in a choke-hold so 
he can't breath - that should shut him up. /Mr. Buck - raise your hands 
and be silent!/

>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a /seasonal /silence 
over FFL as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral 
leadership towards reforming the general unkindness that spread across 
FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups, /it would be very good to extend such a 
suspended silence upon FFL even unto first day of Spring [March 
20/^/th/ /2015]/ whence fairer flowers springing might arise anew 
coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so imposed 
administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield




 Rick, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon 
FFL even unto the first day of Spring. [March 20^th 2015]





Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral 
leadership in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this 
battlefield of FFL has become. It is time to clear the FFL field 
spiritually.


I would support you in this,

 -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.




Yep silence FFL, suspend it, unto Easter Sunday [April 5, 2015] 
symbolic to the resurrection of something anew and a new hope in the 
community that was FFL.




Dear Rick,

How about we take, at the least, the rest of the month of December and 
/_suspend_/ all posting at all to FFL?Start then with a kinder more 
gentle FFL anew with posting on January 1st. Take some time off to 
re-group.


-Buck




Rick, we know and understand that you are busy however; have you been 
reading any of the posts to FFL?




Rick, Just scroll down through the subject lines if you don't have 
time to read the posts, they are appalling. -Buck




Rick, the neganauts here are playing you now to see how far they can 
take it.



Dear Rick, As an old Friend You see I really don't feel that you 
should yield FairfieldLife over to the methodical negativity that has 
overrun and overtaken our FairfieldLife [FFL] community on 
Yahoo-groups.  Sincerely, -Buck



Rick, FairfieldLife [FFL] has been way too important to communal 
Fairfield life in the past to just let it go to the aggressive dogs of 
unkind negativity as some mean and now narrowed successor group 
caliphate of hateful neganauts.



The larger communal use of FFL that FFL could facilitate in communication:


Rick, for instance this FFL post is an incredibly important post
within the things going on right now in the Fairfield meditating
community:


404986Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of
Others

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986 





Rick,  Could reading the old FFL posts be kept open to scholarship

whilst the posting function for everyone could be suspended?

 Like, being able to look at at these whilst posting is suspended? ..


406280*Hammond's Channel of Maharishi and the DC TM Meeting*

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280


Or,


402694*Re: An Old Index to FFL*

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694


68*Notes of the Hammond TM Lecture*

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68





Yes a general shutdown of posting to FFL but, One of the most urgent 
uses of FFL for scholarly purposes is research into mining of the 
archive of FFL. The amazing archive here tells a back-story of a 
community. Is there a way (?) to keep the search function of the 
archive and also the files section open whilst shutting off posting to 
FFL for a while in the FFL groups settings?





WLeed3@...> wrote :

GOOD IDEA RICK & BUCK


Dear, Dear Rick; How about taking the month of December to suspend 
posting at all to FFL?Start anew with posting on January 1^st .  Let 
thy people re-pattern their lives silent as a period of time to 
reflect elsewhere. Time for a re-groove, a retreading of the tires of 
the forum that is FairfieldLife. It should be better for everyone and 
for what FFL would be.



With the Best of Regards,

The FFL Patriarch Of Positivity

-Buck in the Dome



WLeed3@...> writes :

I will leave the form to much nasty hateful thought forms via here 
via: verbiage & back biting & not enough re Fairfield IA & few good 
vibes, I agree with Buck. Col Wm D, Leed IV, best in all till it may 
be cleaned up Rick & all.



Of late on FairfieldLife it feels like that sweep of IS across Syria 
has spread and happened over FFL as an open forum.



It is now time for meditation on FFL,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't let Aaron Sorkin see that.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
>

*/I spent so many years in and around Berkeley. This is heartbreaking.
/*

/>
/We are glad you're over there, Barry - you're the guy that called in 
the Interpol and the Dutch police on FFL over a word game. Can you spell 
cognitive dissonance?/

>//*
*/

*/I'm sorry, but I'm *so* glad I'm over here, and not there. /*

/*>
*/So, how's that Ukraine situation working out over there for you?/

"On July 17, Malaysia Airlines MH17 from Amsterdam NE, was shot down by 
the Russians and crashed in south-eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 
people on board."


http://rt.com/news/212299-ukraine-ignored-eu-mh17/*
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:27 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>

Some shots of police hostility in a nearby community:

>
/You didn't seem to have any objections when the other Barry called in 
the Interpol to break up a FFL button-pushing contest. Go figure./

>

http://youtu.be/OdB4DXkEkRI

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish 
severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall.
   
   -   1 Samuel 25:22   
  -  So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all 
that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall. 



   -   1 Samuel 25:34   
  -  For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me 
back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely 
there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth 
against the wall. 



   -   1 Kings 14:10   
  -  Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and 
will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is 
shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of 
Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone. 



   -   1 Kings 16:11   
  -  And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his 
throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth 
against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends. 



   -   1 Kings 21:21   
  -  Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, 
and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is 
shut up and left in Israel, 



   -   2 Kings 9:8   
  -  For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab 
him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel: 

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    Empty,
Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament.  It has taken the 
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that 
Christians have.
Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written.  At 
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and 
people.  Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the 
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that 
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation.  It is now obvious that 
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism and 
radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.  
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq 
and Syria.
The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that 
consciousness is common to all humans.  It is the link that binds everyone to 
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions.  I am sure there is 
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and 
dogmas of all religions.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry as a Proxy Vetting Agent

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My friend Bill who was having conversations with Jerry by phone a few months 
ago has asked him for his take on the evening, but so far Jarvis has not 
answered him. 

  From: "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jerry as a Proxy Vetting Agent
   
     In my recent viewing of the Hammond tape, the camera cut several times to 
audience shots Jerry (and Debbie) -- including what appeared to be their rising 
to their feet for a "standing ovation" at the end (or maybe they were just 
getting up to leave while still momentarily clapping).  
When things seemed a bit odd in the TMO (in pre 1975, before things got far 
more weird, IMO), I used to look to Jerry as a sort of sanity test / vetting 
process. That is, Jerry seemed fairly balanced, intelligent, and rational. I 
assumed that if he was able to reconcile TMO craziness, on the whole, given his 
larger access, context and history to all things MMY and TMO,  the ship was 
probably safe and strong -- and headed in the right direction.  In retrospect, 
not my best decision, but at the time, as a teenager and young adult, Jerry 
appeared to be one of the better anchors in choppy waters. 
I have little knowledge of Jerry's activities over the past 35 years or so and 
thus I have little basis for placing much weight on his current views. Yet, I 
still have at least some lingering respect for Jerry from earlier days.  Has 
anyone talked to Jerry (or heard second hand) his reaction to the Nov 30 talk 
(and or his presumed discussions with Hammond)? 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 "I thought all those holy guys were way off the mark in its importance as 
something they needed to tell us. I would have preferred a cure for cancer!"
Having been involved in new age stuff for a good many years, I must say this is 
one of the most telling points. 

All the so-called ascended masters, angels and archangels and masters who are 
no longer in a body are real big on all sorts of esoteric bullshit, but real 
short on real time practical knowledge and common sense help for those of us 
here on earth. That's because its all bullshit except for some flowery words to 
make people feel good and usually to get them to give up their money or sex.
  From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    

Nice talking points on George, I'm glad you took the time to post them. As food 
for thought it was certainly a success. I liked your comparison with literature 
and if he had presented it as a dramatic one man show he had created, I would 
feel differently about the whole thing. He is a creative guy and has a sense of 
drama. It would have impressed me more if that is how it had been presented.

But it wasn't. (BTW none of this is presented as a counter to anything you 
said. I am using your enjoyable post as a writing prompt without acknowledging 
all the points you made.)
It was presented as being an actual discussion with the not so dead Maharishi 
on the other side. That claim needed an epistemological ramp for the rest of us 
and we never got one. It was sort of breezily addressed in the beginning that 
we could believe whatever we wanted. He also made the case that the quality of 
the information itself should be its own verification. I didn't hear anything 
that would require resorting to a supernatural source for these ideas and 
images. He seem perfectly capable on his own having written numerous books 
containing many of the ideas presented as coming from Maharishi.

I could tell from talking with people at the event that George's business 
success was an influencing factor on people taking him seriously. I don't know 
how I feel about that. In general I am wary of even doctors writing diet books, 
since they receive so little nutrition training. I think people tend to get 
more credit than is deserved for being successful in one field and then trying 
to transfer the feeling of credibility to another unrelated area. It is one of 
our cognitive gaps probably created out of our social hierarchy aware primate 
nature. Our brains were really not built to deal with the kind of distinctions 
we are faced with today. Man has lots of bananas so must be alpha!

The case for why we should take what he said seriously was for him to make. I 
find it curious that none of the smarty pants holy traditions dudes could 
anticipate that such an argument was missing but was deserved. It sort of put 
us in the position of unwarranted faith in a guy I didn't even know. That 
doesn't sound like respectful epistemological awareness to me.

I told George that although I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, I could 
think of all sorts of ways to present this in a way that would be viewed with 
more credibility from the movement or from reasonable people. He didn't address 
my point but restated some of the history of presenting it to Hagelin.  I told 
him that I thought it was Maharishi's responsibility to present it in a way the 
people he personally chose to run his movement could accept. By the time he 
gave it to George, it was too late. George thought the knowledge stood on its 
own as its proof. I told him that I thought any of us could have created these 
ideas, they did not require supernatural agency. Then we had to go. 

On one hand we have the possibility that it was all as George presented, a 
discussion with dead people about how we should view life. On the other we have 
all the vagaries of the human mind with its fantastic generative abilities 
within and outside our consciousness.

Coming back to your example of literature, I know which one rings truest to me.

I think he made way too much of a big deal about fear. Fear is my friend when I 
need it, and not a dominate emotion that rules my life otherwise. I don't have 
any complaints for how fear helps me keep my eye on the ball of survival and 
don't need any more or any less. I thought all those holy guys were way off the 
mark in its importance as something they needed to tell us. I would have 
preferred a cure for cancer!

Thanks again for continuing the discussion. I find many levels of fascination 
concerning how people view this event. Any other perspectives you want to share 
would be welcome.


   



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Possibly there is more to it. Or not. 
I watched the Hammond video last night.  Its easy to dismiss him and  cast him 
off as del

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The deal is that Hammond was traumatized by his sister's sudden death and could 
not handle it, leading to a mental/emotional crisis which coupled with his own 
fear of death and his desire to see her/talk to her led to an inability to 
distinguish reality from fantasy. So his musings, inner ruminations, dreams, 
inner dialogue etc led to his believing he was hearing/seeing what he wanted to 
experience. 

He may well be a nice guy and may have done financially successful things, but 
that doesn't mean he isn't delusional now. I mean, come on, what are the 
chances that the things Marshy, Guru Dev, Shankara, Jesus etc would have told 
him just happens to corroborate all the historical/philosophical stuff Hammond 
himself has been writing about for years?
And for him to blabber about what important historical people he had been in 
past lives?? Does that not strike anyone else as a strident cry for attention? 
He might as well have stood onstage and hollered "Look at me! Look at me! I'm 
special! I'm important!"
Not to mention the fact that he claimed to have been father to BOTH Shankara 
and Marshy in one of his lives, which in essence means he is claiming that the 
entire Shankaracharya tradition and the TM that Marshy claimed came out of the 
Shankaracharya tradtion all sprang from Hammond's own loins. (even tho he never 
expressly stated such) You think that isn't a cry for attention??

He is a guy who need some psychological counseling, instead of people giving 
him the attention he so desperately craves. 

  From: "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:51 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    Curtis, 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
I am still playing catch-up -- only watching the video last night and reading 
all the relevant posts that I could find yesterday -- including yours and the 
detailed summary by another. So I am looking for reasons to not just dismiss 
the whole thing as the odd trip of a high functioning delusional. My post this 
morning was an attempt to work with some of the ideas Hammond presented. 
(Consistent with your views I think) I find little to nothing in the 
presentation that required the mystical storyline. 
That is, even if 1) George had the actual experience, 2) he is not delusional, 
3) and the universe is  actually structured like that (past mystics living as 
light beams in a heavenly space, teaming up over past 10,000 years as a band of 
superheros to enable us to live long and prosper), (three rather large ifs), 
George could have simple taken the insights and presented them in a consistent 
and logical fashion --  perhaps buffered by better historical context, logic, 
flow and consistency. That is, the (potentially) useful and actionable message 
points (such as the ones that I listed in my prior post) are not more credible 
to me simple because MMY, SBS, Shankara / (Vyasa), Brighu, Jehovah,  allegedly 
currently support them.  30 years ago, I probably would have jumped out of my 
seat.  But for many years I have questioned MMY's theories, insights, policies. 
logic, scientific basis, etc. (Not dismissed or entirely rejected but certainly 
screened, re-examined, viewed in terms of their fruit (lives and behaviors of 
his students) and placed in a much larger context. And, when honest with 
myself, I have little to go on regarding SBS, Shankara other than MMY's views, 
and some translated writings written for a quite difference audience. 
And, the Movement (light beam superhero team) has lost credibility points in my 
evaluation scheme (admittedly a flawed and imperfect system and perspective) in 
that is took them so long to figure out what would appear to be fairly 
straightforward insights to adjust their initiatives based on experiential 
feedback and refine them over time. And that it never occurred to them to do 
such prior to MMY jumping in is a strange twist???!!!     
As to George's mystical bio, he lost large credibility points with me on that. 
Parallel to the above,  the actionable message gains no more usefulness or 
credibility simply because George was allegedly (self-proclaimed) Jacob, an 
apostle that I am not particularly familiar with (and I am not exactly hanging 
on the words of the four I sort of know). Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain (both 
of whom I like but do not look towards for deep metaphysical advice and 
insights) and John the Baptist (an intriguing figure whose full depth of story 
I sense is not really known in depth -- and as such presents little to me as a 
expert witness).  
And Plato??!! As many point out, the oddness that so many who reveal their 
(perceived, alleged)  past lives are often the great and powerful -- not joe 
the plumber types -- though statistically and rationally, most people were of 
the latter status (assuming reincarnation, for the moment).  Hereclitus maybe, 
but Plato??!!. And Pathagoras??? A

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I am sure Andy is right and that we all have been had (to varying extents and 
degrees). The key is figuring out by whom and by what. 
   

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I used to channel Jesus myself - its not that big a deal.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Possibly there is more to it. Or not. 
(1) I was surprised to read Hammond's bio -- 25 years as successful corporate 
lawyer working on global mergers and acquisitions -- clearly an odd career 
culmination for the alleged soul of Brighu, Jacob, one of Jesus' apostles, 
Plato, Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain.  Yet the career, and his nominal clarity 
as a speaker  distinguishes him from babbling street person babbling and 
run-of-the-mill new-age crazy. 
Alleged soul indeed. But I think you make an error in assuming that because 
someone is smart and has a successful career then they are more likely to be 
correct in their theological musings. There is no end of highly intelligent 
people with PHD's who believe the most preposterous crap with no supporting 
evidence whatsoever.
It's like how Ufologists assume they have a credible witness because they are a 
member of the police or armed forces. There really is no way to iron out the 
natural human tendency to be mistaken during unusual or unexpected situations. 
Or to unwittingly make things up or embellish what is in the environment, or 
just our minds.
So George Hammond strikes me as highly deluded - no matter how sincere his 
beliefs. I can't tell him apart from some of my highly intelligent new age 
friends who believe in angels. I actually know someone who channels Jesus! 
I'd like to do a Q&A with both her and George and compare results but I know 
the answer already as it's been done before. Parapsychology 101.
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[FairfieldLife] The Hammond Intrigue (was Christian answer to ISIS)

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Curtis: "George thought the knowledge stood on its own as its proof." 
That is an odd statement, particularly for a successful corporate attorney 
trained in the legal requisites for evidence and its nuances.  If his objective 
is to stun people into silence -- with with nonsensical bravado -- he may be on 
to something. 

 Curtis: "The case for why we should take what he said seriously was for him to 
make. I find it curious that none of the smarty pants holy traditions dudes 
could anticipate that such an argument was missing but was deserved. It sort of 
put us in the position of unwarranted faith in a guy I didn't even know. That 
doesn't sound like respectful epistemological awareness to me."

   Yes, particularly Shankara who successfully debated for days on end on 
the subtlest of points with the best scholars and advocates in the land. And 
Vyasa who transcribed, organized and compiled a massively complex set of 
documents/scriptures. Does it make any sense at all that they would send George 
off to tell the world an astonishing incredulous story with apparently no 
guidance as to how to effectively make a set of valid and compelling arguments 
as to its validity?
 

 Curtis:  "I told him that I thought it was Maharishi's responsibility to 
present it in a way the people he personally chose to run his movement could 
accept."
   Yes. Why not appear to those directly administering the TMO -- e.g., 
Tony, John and Bevan. Let them compare notes and triangulate the validity of 
the message, etc. And act accordingly.
 

 Curtis: "I could tell from talking with people at the event that George's 
business success was an influencing factor on people taking him seriously."
I made some points on this in adjacent posts. I agree. Expertise in one 
field does not specifically transfer into others.  At best his background is a 
first level screen for weeding out those seriously challenged (I was going to 
say "total nut jobs" -- but that diminishes real people with real problems)  
And George's expertise has not really been established. That is, being a 
corporate attorneys is not in itself a high mark of overall competence.  I know 
too many exceptions. 
 

 Curtis:  "I think he made way too much of a big deal about fear. Fear is my 
friend when I need it, and not a dominate emotion that rules my life otherwise. 
I don't have any complaints for how fear helps me keep my eye on the ball of 
survival and don't need any more or any less. I thought all those holy guys 
were way off the mark in its importance as something they needed to tell us."
Fear is an interesting emotion -- much of its processed in lower 
pre-human structures of the brain beyond our conscious awareness. I think fear 
may play a deeper role in shaping more conscious emotions and impulses than we 
suspect. However, platitudes about "Just don't fear" are weak tools in rooting 
out core (destructive, vs protective) fear mechanisms.  At least they could 
have given a nod to modern neuroscience and said "Know thy Amygdala" -- and 
pointed the way toward ripe and powerful hypotheses that could be 
experimentally validated. 
 

 (Which is a larger concern that I have with teachers soaked in traditional 
knowledge -- and who make bold assertive claims about the nature and 
functioning of the mind, but have little or no exposure to or understanding of 
the extensive research on mind and brain -- particularly over the psst 10 yeas 
as neuroimaging technologies have become far more powerful and available (via 
much lower costs) -- such as Functional MRIs.
 

 I am curious about the Nov 30 audience. The video had a number of audience 
shots, but generally the same several clusters of  people over and over again. 
Was the audience really that small?  Or more of a camera angle limitation?  
(And it was odd to see a number of vaguely familiar forms -- but not being able 
to place them. Though Jerry was much the same -- aged but clearly Jerry.)

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Check out Reports: Obama Mulling Sanctions on Israel | Washington Free Beacon

[William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

-Original Message-
From: bobandjanet711 
To: WLeed3 
Sent: Sun, Dec 7, 2014 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: Check out Reports: Obama Mulling Sanctions on Israel | Washington 
Free Beacon



Sanctions against Israel,  discouraging sanctions against Iran.  There is 
something terribly wrong here.  What else can this president do in the next two 
years.  God help us all.  Janet 

 
 

On 12/04/14, wle...@aol.com wrote:
 

Reports: Obama Mulling Sanctions on Israel | Washington Free Beacon 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[srijau]

blah blah blah thats a bunch of meaningless twaddle. you are right at home here 
with all posters who are stuck in the past only rather than decades dead past 
yours is thousands of years old, the ongoing genocides caused by Buddhists in 
Bhutan , Burma and Sri Lanka are something very real and painful to too many 
people right now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Christians assert that their jesus-god is the same god as yhvh. However they 
prefer to ignore the Book of Joshua and the genocide of Canaanites by yhwh and 
his henchmen. 
  
 That very “god” of the Jews, Christian and Muslims is the one who offers the 
lands and cities of Canaan for targeted appropriation and all of its peoples 
for annihilation. The inhabitants, along with their lands, livestock and 
chattels are marked for destruction and for vicious slaughter at the hands of 
the Jews. All of the men, women, children and babies were either pierced or 
decapitated by swords. You gotta love this frenzied offering of the blood of 
babies to their thirsty demon .
  
 These are the “sacred histories” of a tribal demon – not a god. Muhammad 
claimed that he served the same “god” and thus did the same … killing 
non-believers at will. ISIS is simply following the example of Muhammad, Moses 
and Joshua and is putting the bullet and long-knife to anyone opposing them or 
simply not believing. 
  
 Forget asserting that this demon is a “god”.  The “god” concept was grafted 
upon the demon yhvh through contact with Persian Zoroastrianism and Hellenic 
Platonism.   
  
 The world is already full of homicidal maniacs. We don’t need no stinkun 
genocidal demons to worship too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 If you had only written this line:

"the Movement (light beam superhero team) "

It would have been worth the read! But the rest of it was great too. I can't 
say I really walked in with an open mind. But I was willing to let George make 
a case and then evaluate it from there. I didn't see him make any case at all 
for credibility. He seemed to dismiss it as a necessary concept. Given the 
extend of his claims that may have been his best and only move 
epistemologically!

I wrote one post from the perspective of Maharishi's teaching when he was 
alive. I also started a post detailing all the areas that I think the dead 
Maharishi contradicts his living teaching but have not posted it. I think it is 
interesting from the perspective of belief systems to line up the two.

Another post was more what I think from my own perspective outside Maharishi's 
thought system. I am not currently a follower of his teaching although I once 
was very involved. That was my best guess for how a guy like George could end 
up making such an elaborate presentation. I do not believe there is any dead 
Maharishi to contact, so I go in a different direction from the supernatural.

My biggest interest from the whole project is to use it as a way to better 
understand who people put together such beliefs. That includes Jerry whose 
presence and careful inclusion in the video was a statement about his taking it 
seriously at least. I spoke with Debbie and Jerry right afterwards briefly but 
it was not the time to probe. I did not get the impression that he felt his 
trip had been wasted, and they came from Cali. But I also know that Jerry does 
not want to be publicly quoted about this whole thing. The movement does not 
take kindly to this whole affair and it will not help him in any way to get 
mixed up with making statements about it. I can understand that. His opinion 
about such things does not hold the weight for me it once did but I still have 
great affection for him. 

I think you have a pretty compassionate approach toward all the key players 
that I can relate to. George seemed sincere to me. But that sincerity and 
exactly $1.58 will get you a coffee of the day at Starbucks. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Curtis, 
 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. 

 I am still playing catch-up -- only watching the video last night and reading 
all the relevant posts that I could find yesterday -- including yours and the 
detailed summary by another. So I am looking for reasons to not just dismiss 
the whole thing as the odd trip of a high functioning delusional. My post this 
morning was an attempt to work with some of the ideas Hammond presented. 
(Consistent with your views I think) I find little to nothing in the 
presentation that required the mystical storyline. 
 

 That is, even if 1) George had the actual experience, 2) he is not delusional, 
3) and the universe is  actually structured like that (past mystics living as 
light beams in a heavenly space, teaming up over past 10,000 years as a band of 
superheros to enable us to live long and prosper), (three rather large ifs), 
George could have simple taken the insights and presented them in a consistent 
and logical fashion --  perhaps buffered by better historical context, logic, 
flow and consistency. That is, the (potentially) useful and actionable message 
points (such as the ones that I listed in my prior post) are not more credible 
to me simple because MMY, SBS, Shankara / (Vyasa), Brighu, Jehovah,  allegedly 
currently support them.  30 years ago, I probably would have jumped out of my 
seat.  But for many years I have questioned MMY's theories, insights, policies. 
logic, scientific basis, etc. (Not dismissed or entirely rejected but certainly 
screened, re-examined, viewed in terms of their fruit (lives and behaviors of 
his students) and placed in a much larger context. And, when honest with 
myself, I have little to go on regarding SBS, Shankara other than MMY's views, 
and some translated writings written for a quite difference audience. 
 

 And, the Movement (light beam superhero team) has lost credibility points in 
my evaluation scheme (admittedly a flawed and imperfect system and perspective) 
in that is took them so long to figure out what would appear to be fairly 
straightforward insights to adjust their initiatives based on experiential 
feedback and refine them over time. And that it never occurred to them to do 
such prior to MMY jumping in is a strange twist???!!! 
 

 As to George's mystical bio, he lost large credibility points with me on that. 
Parallel to the above,  the actionable message gains no more usefulness or 
credibility simply because George was allegedly (self-proclaimed) Jacob, an 
apostle that I am not particularly familiar with (and I am not exactly hanging 
on the words of the four I sort of know). Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain (both 
of whom I like but do not look towards for deep metaphysical advice and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Some political analysts have stated that the next general election may have a 
different quality than the last one.  They're saying that the next election 
will attract more Democrats to vote.  So, the results could be different than 
the present political landscape.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would hate to see him elected when the congress is Republican, and the 
public tends to hedge its bets by creating divided government, however 
ineffective that may be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Curtis, 
 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. 

 I am still playing catch-up -- only watching the video last night and reading 
all the relevant posts that I could find yesterday -- including yours and the 
detailed summary by another. So I am looking for reasons to not just dismiss 
the whole thing as the odd trip of a high functioning delusional. My post this 
morning was an attempt to work with some of the ideas Hammond presented. 
(Consistent with your views I think) I find little to nothing in the 
presentation that required the mystical storyline. 
 

 That is, even if 1) George had the actual experience, 2) he is not delusional, 
3) and the universe is  actually structured like that (past mystics living as 
light beams in a heavenly space, teaming up over past 10,000 years as a band of 
superheros to enable us to live long and prosper), (three rather large ifs), 
George could have simple taken the insights and presented them in a consistent 
and logical fashion --  perhaps buffered by better historical context, logic, 
flow and consistency. That is, the (potentially) useful and actionable message 
points (such as the ones that I listed in my prior post) are not more credible 
to me simple because MMY, SBS, Shankara / (Vyasa), Brighu, Jehovah,  allegedly 
currently support them.  30 years ago, I probably would have jumped out of my 
seat.  But for many years I have questioned MMY's theories, insights, policies. 
logic, scientific basis, etc. (Not dismissed or entirely rejected but certainly 
screened, re-examined, viewed in terms of their fruit (lives and behaviors of 
his students) and placed in a much larger context. And, when honest with 
myself, I have little to go on regarding SBS, Shankara other than MMY's views, 
and some translated writings written for a quite difference audience. 
 

 And, the Movement (light beam superhero team) has lost credibility points in 
my evaluation scheme (admittedly a flawed and imperfect system and perspective) 
in that is took them so long to figure out what would appear to be fairly 
straightforward insights to adjust their initiatives based on experiential 
feedback and refine them over time. And that it never occurred to them to do 
such prior to MMY jumping in is a strange twist???!!! 
 

 As to George's mystical bio, he lost large credibility points with me on that. 
Parallel to the above,  the actionable message gains no more usefulness or 
credibility simply because George was allegedly (self-proclaimed) Jacob, an 
apostle that I am not particularly familiar with (and I am not exactly hanging 
on the words of the four I sort of know). Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain (both 
of whom I like but do not look towards for deep metaphysical advice and 
insights) and John the Baptist (an intriguing figure whose full depth of story 
I sense is not really known in depth -- and as such presents little to me as a 
expert witness).  
 

 And Plato??!! As many point out, the oddness that so many who reveal their 
(perceived, alleged)  past lives are often the great and powerful -- not joe 
the plumber types -- though statistically and rationally, most people were of 
the latter status (assuming reincarnation, for the moment).  Hereclitus maybe, 
but Plato??!!. And Pathagoras??? And Brighu, father of MMY andShankara !!!???  
(not just a young priest boy at Brighus ashram or something). The spiritual bio 
raises not only the question of delusion, but massive delusions of grandeur. 
And for what? The bio (to me) diminishes the (potentially) actionable points of 
the message. So why add it even if it were true?
 

 Why the mystical trappings?   First, the pre- and actual "storyline" did get 
my (and it appears others) attention more than would have some obscure 
announcement that "this old guv turned corporate attorney just published a dry 
treatise on his views progressions of vedic and abrahamic religions". (yawn. 
While perhaps interesting, not highest on my list of books and topics to read 
and study).
 

 And maybe this is a performance art piece, (egged on by actual seances with 
Andy Kaufman perhaps, ha) where George purposely went over the top to signal 
his attention getting clowning -- yet still provide a platform for his 
intellectually derived message.
 

 Still processing all of this.  

[FairfieldLife] Ferguson re-examined Paul Craig Roberts

[srijau]

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[srijau]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Almost as Smart as Joe Biden

[srijau]

There was no america when they were born, it was all british territory, They 
were British citizens born in what is now considered the United States, like 
many of my ancestors, except the ones who were not considered citizens even 
when america was created BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT WHITE PEOPLE.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There has been lots of stories that many ISIS guys are not particularly 
religious, there are just in it for the opportunity for a lot of rapes and 
killing and feeling powerful. 
 

 Boys will be boys. One of the jihadis from the UK had a copy of 'The Koran for 
Dummies' in his rucksac when he was stopped at the border. How religiously 
motivated was he? There was a lot of scorn in the papers, but I think these 
kids are brought up in a Muslim environment and they feel a deep kinship that 
they feel they should fight for even if they skipped bible class. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[srijau]

There has been lots of stories that many ISIS guys are not particularly 
religious, there are just in it for the opportunity for a lot of rapes and 
killing and feeling powerful. i

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: Almost as Smart as Joe Biden

[wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

--- Begin Message ---

 

Now does this surprise you ?

 The dangers of higher education!!

 

 

Michelle Obama:

“Illegals Just Like Founding Fathers, Not  ‘Born  American’ “

 

Harvard educated First Lady Michelle Obama reminded attendees of a 
naturalization ceremony Wednesday that the Founding Fathers weren't born in 
America. The ceremony for 50 new U.S. citizens was held at the National 
Archives in Washington, D.C

 

She said during her speech, referring to the Declaration of Independence, "It's 
amazing that just a few feet from here where I'm standing are the signatures of 
the 56 Founders who put their names on a Declaration that changed the course of 
history, and like the 50 of you, none of them were born American - they became 
American." 

 

Did she actually mean that those who signed the Declaration of Independence and 
participated in the drafting of the Constitution were not born in America? 
Benjamin Franklin was born in Pennsylvania and Thomas Jefferson, George 
Washington, and James Madison were born in Virginia. John Adams was born in 
Massachusetts. Surely she knows this.

 

But maybe not.

 

After all, she is a Harvard graduate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
--- End Message ---

[FairfieldLife] 150 estudiantes practicando Meditación Trascendental

[email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

150 estudiantes practicando Meditación Trascendental en un colegio de 
Chile~~~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0qHuNO1U6M

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

His son, Rand, is not Ron.

On 12/07/2014 11:12 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Ron Paul is positioning himself to be the next president of the US. 
 Given that the American electorate has gone Republican, he is just 
playing out the apparent mood of the people.  If he strikes the right 
chord, he can beat Romney for the nomination as the Republican 
candidate for president.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding 
Iraq War / Sputnik International 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And regarding ISIS folks might want to read this report.  I've mentioned 
here before the ISIS guys on videos seemed to be a little too 
comfortable with western slang that I wouldn't have expected religious 
zealots to use.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/01/neo-americas-real-ties-to-isis/

As Andy Kaufman might say "we're being had."

On 12/07/2014 09:21 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/I will allow emptybill to fight this intellectual battle, only 
tossing into the ring, "Anyone who could have been impressed by the 
notion of a 'jealous God' when growing up was probably already halfway 
on the way to becoming a victim of abuse, having been programmed to 
follow that path by their abusers."

/*
*//*


*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:05 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians 
like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. 
They'll claim that God required his followers to commit genocidal 
atrocities during the time of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought 
a New Testament which instead instructs people to turn the other cheek.


First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea 
out. Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they 
slaughtered their enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supported 
these acts and often led the clamor for holy wars.


Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and 
all-knowing and all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell 
his followers to go out and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and 
then have changed his mind a thousand years or so later. If God really 
knows all and can do whatever he wants, why couldn't he have brought 
Jesus and the New Testament down earlier and saved the Earth a whole 
lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach forgiveness after you've 
been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very all-loving to me. 
Whichever tack you t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I watched some of Hammond's video broken up into chapters and read the 
excellent summary that MJ's friend provided.


I agree with some of the things he said because that is the way sadhana 
is often taught outside of the TM world.  However most Indian pundits 
including "Hindu" priests will tell you that "the gods" are metaphors 
for forces of nature.  Shakti and Shiva are like positive and negative 
vibrating to create our phenomenal universe.  It was felt that the 
impersonal was too complicated for simple village folks to understand so 
they personified those energies as "gods" to explain it.  And some 
people take it literally.


I've mentioned innumerable times on FFL that MMY taught teachers to use 
beej mantras (beej is the way bija is pronounced) because they required 
nothing special to use.  It's like the puja was window dressing though I 
would think it would charge up shakti a bit but maybe not with all teachers.


On 12/07/2014 10:51 AM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Possibly there is more to it. Or not.

I watched the Hammond video last night.  Its easy to dismiss him and 
 cast him off as delusional(1). Yet art and literature are not real 
either, even still, they may open us up to new ways of viewing the 
world, and induce new ideas and internal hypotheses  -- even if the 
artist was bat-assed crazy.  My take away is that while his story is 
rather far-fetched, and he may be delusional, some useful points may 
have emerged, both directly and from subsequent pondering.


One Hammond theme is that religious founders/leaders' messages and 
strategies were experimental attempts focused on incrementally 
improving a select set of problems for specific  time, place and group 
of people, not universal truths applicable for all ages, problems and 
peoples -- and as such these targeted strategies had some unintended 
and unexpected negative consequences that continue through to today. 
 And that attempts to apply such strategies to today's world are major 
steps backwards, not forward.  He suggests righteous anger as an 
example of a method used in a particular era of the old testament -- 
focussed on combatting a perceived major problem of lethargy and 
laziness of a particular time and place.  Not stated as such, 
increasing rajas to reduce tomas might be the yogic parallel. When 
tomas is reduced, the method is no longer applicable. But these 
focussed methods such as righteous anger endured past their 
usefulness, took on a life of their own, and create larger problems 
than the original ones intended to be solved.


Second, he dismisses the notion that  these strategies were created by 
an all-knowing all powerful deity. Rather he suggests that they were 
brainstormed and thought out by by good intentioned, smart, yet 
limited individuals. Jehovah is presented as a man -- who was 
inaccurately deified by later "faithful" generations and centuries. 
(And his premise that Jehovah and Allah are the same, in his model, 
suggests the violence-prone parallels of some sects of all of the 
Abrahamic religions.)


Third, it was suggested that fear is the greatest block to social, 
individual and spiritual progress. My take is that irrational 
arguments and actions, particularly when networked across many nodes 
in a mob mentality situation, are driven by, are a response to, inner 
fear, particularly fear of change. For example, rapid change in 
culture adaptation of new technology, etc may cause many to cling to 
outdated traditions, self-help / religious models as antidotes to 
inner fear of change. Some good examples are the ones cited in your 
post on religious fundamentalism.


And that while lashing out at the irrational is reasonable and 
rational, a personal trait -- and one which I observe many seem to 
share, the impetus towards such may be rooted in fear of irrational 
mindsets and groups, fear of loss when such gets out of hand, spirals 
out of control, the world run amuck by the irrational mob (too many 
examples to list). Ultimately decomposed also to a fear of change.


Fourth, Hammond premises that the process of "turning within" whether 
TM, any meditation, prayer, any means that enable us to better know 
and understand our own minds -- both its limits and more limitless 
aspects, is the most efficient and perhaps singular antidote to fear. 
And he suggests that there are many effective methods to turn within 
(currently available and yet to be derived) devoid of traditional, 
cultural and religious trappings. (And that within traditional 
cultures and religions there are existing practices, such as prayer, 
which can (though not always) turn the mind within and quiet the chaos 
of more manifest chatter and "noise". Consequently, a solution path 
for reducing fear of change-- both among the irrational adherents to 
outdated cultural/religious practices and dogma as a, as well as fear 
by more the more rational -- who have (possibly unacknowledged) fear 
of the former -- 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
Nice talking points on George, I'm glad you took the time to post them. As food 
for thought it was certainly a success. I liked your comparison with literature 
and if he had presented it as a dramatic one man show he had created, I would 
feel differently about the whole thing. He is a creative guy and has a sense of 
drama. It would have impressed me more if that is how it had been presented.

But it wasn't. (BTW none of this is presented as a counter to anything you 
said. I am using your enjoyable post as a writing prompt without acknowledging 
all the points you made.)
It was presented as being an actual discussion with the not so dead Maharishi 
on the other side. That claim needed an epistemological ramp for the rest of us 
and we never got one. It was sort of breezily addressed in the beginning that 
we could believe whatever we wanted. He also made the case that the quality of 
the information itself should be its own verification. I didn't hear anything 
that would require resorting to a supernatural source for these ideas and 
images. He seem perfectly capable on his own having written numerous books 
containing many of the ideas presented as coming from Maharishi.

I could tell from talking with people at the event that George's business 
success was an influencing factor on people taking him seriously. I don't know 
how I feel about that. In general I am wary of even doctors writing diet books, 
since they receive so little nutrition training. I think people tend to get 
more credit than is deserved for being successful in one field and then trying 
to transfer the feeling of credibility to another unrelated area. It is one of 
our cognitive gaps probably created out of our social hierarchy aware primate 
nature. Our brains were really not built to deal with the kind of distinctions 
we are faced with today. Man has lots of bananas so must be alpha!

The case for why we should take what he said seriously was for him to make. I 
find it curious that none of the smarty pants holy traditions dudes could 
anticipate that such an argument was missing but was deserved. It sort of put 
us in the position of unwarranted faith in a guy I didn't even know. That 
doesn't sound like respectful epistemological awareness to me.

I told George that although I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, I could 
think of all sorts of ways to present this in a way that would be viewed with 
more credibility from the movement or from reasonable people. He didn't address 
my point but restated some of the history of presenting it to Hagelin.  I told 
him that I thought it was Maharishi's responsibility to present it in a way the 
people he personally chose to run his movement could accept. By the time he 
gave it to George, it was too late. George thought the knowledge stood on its 
own as its proof. I told him that I thought any of us could have created these 
ideas, they did not require supernatural agency. Then we had to go. 

On one hand we have the possibility that it was all as George presented, a 
discussion with dead people about how we should view life. On the other we have 
all the vagaries of the human mind with its fantastic generative abilities 
within and outside our consciousness.

Coming back to your example of literature, I know which one rings truest to me.

I think he made way too much of a big deal about fear. Fear is my friend when I 
need it, and not a dominate emotion that rules my life otherwise. I don't have 
any complaints for how fear helps me keep my eye on the ball of survival and 
don't need any more or any less. I thought all those holy guys were way off the 
mark in its importance as something they needed to tell us. I would have 
preferred a cure for cancer!

Thanks again for continuing the discussion. I find many levels of fascination 
concerning how people view this event. Any other perspectives you want to share 
would be welcome.


   



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Possibly there is more to it. Or not. 
 

 I watched the Hammond video last night.  Its easy to dismiss him and  cast him 
off as delusional(1). Yet art and literature are not real either, even still, 
they may open us up to new ways of viewing the world, and induce new ideas and 
internal hypotheses  -- even if the artist was bat-assed crazy.  My take away 
is that while his story is rather far-fetched, and he may be delusional, some 
useful points may have emerged, both directly and from subsequent pondering.  
 

 One Hammond theme is that religious founders/leaders' messages and strategies 
were experimental attempts focused on incrementally improving a select set of 
problems for specific  time, place and group of people, not universal truths 
applicable for all ages, problems and peoples -- and as such these targeted 
strategies had some unintended and unexpected negative consequences that 
continue through to today.  And that attempts to apply such strategies to 
today's world are ma

[FairfieldLife] Jerry as a Proxy Vetting Agent

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In my recent viewing of the Hammond tape, the camera cut several times to 
audience shots Jerry (and Debbie) -- including what appeared to be their rising 
to their feet for a "standing ovation" at the end (or maybe they were just 
getting up to leave while still momentarily clapping).  
 

 When things seemed a bit odd in the TMO (in pre 1975, before things got far 
more weird, IMO), I used to look to Jerry as a sort of sanity test / vetting 
process. That is, Jerry seemed fairly balanced, intelligent, and rational. I 
assumed that if he was able to reconcile TMO craziness, on the whole, given his 
larger access, context and history to all things MMY and TMO,  the ship was 
probably safe and strong -- and headed in the right direction.  
 In retrospect, not my best decision, but at the time, as a teenager and young 
adult, Jerry appeared to be one of the better anchors in choppy waters. 
 

 I have little knowledge of Jerry's activities over the past 35 years or so and 
thus I have little basis for placing much weight on his current views. Yet, I 
still have at least some lingering respect for Jerry from earlier days. 
  
 Has anyone talked to Jerry (or heard second hand) his reaction to the Nov 30 
talk (and or his presumed discussions with Hammond)? 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The local talk host on KGO this morning opened her show by talking with 
a student who attended the protests.  He gave a good report on what was 
going on.  Going to the news break she said the news was going to be 
reporting on injuries at the protest.  Guess what, they ONLY reported on 
police injuries not injuries to protesters which would be much more! 
Typical fascist owned media.


BTW, the students are also angry about the increased tuition and last 
week another host on another station interviewed one of the UC 
chancellors, a former physics prof, who explained the need for the raise 
in fees.  Well afterward the host thought to have someone look up what 
that guy is paid.  A whopping over $500K a year!  Who a thunk that being 
a college prof would be so profitable.  The host was outraged to say the 
least.


On 12/07/2014 09:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

*/I spent so many years in and around Berkeley. This is heartbreaking.
/*
*/
/*
*/I'm sorry, but I'm *so* glad I'm over here, and not there. /*


*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:27 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

Some shots of police hostility in a nearby community:

Berkeley Cops Beat Protestors 12/6/2014 #BlackLivesMatter 





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[FairfieldLife] the buddhist genocide of Tamils continues unabated

[srijau]

Book review: Sri Lanka's Secrets, by Trevor Grant is chronicle of genocide 
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/book-review-sri-lankas-secrets-by-trevor-grant-is-chronicle-of-genocide-20141201-11shqn.html
 
 
 
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/book-review-sri-lankas-secrets-by-trevor-grant-is-chronicle-of-genocide-20141201-11shqn.html
 
 
 Book review: Sri Lanka's Secrets, by Trevor Grant is... 
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/book-review-sri-lankas-secrets-by-trevor-grant-is-chronicle-of-genocide-20141201-11shqn.html
 There is no doubt that this hits the mark, particularly for Australian 
politicians and foreign and immigration policymakers.
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

SD: I was surprised to read Hammond's bio -- 25 years as successful corporate 
lawyer working on global mergers and acquisitions -- clearly an odd career 
culmination for the alleged soul of Brighu, Jacob, one of Jesus' apostles, 
Plato, Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain.  Yet the career, and his nominal clarity 
as a speaker  distinguishes him from babbling street person babbling and 
run-of-the-mill new-age crazy. 
 

 Sav: Alleged soul indeed. But I think you make an error in assuming that 
because someone is smart and has a successful career then they are more likely 
to be correct in their theological musings. 
 

 SD:  Actually, my point was only that such a career and speaking abilities can 
provide an initial screen, weeding out a certain class of crazy. It does not 
screen out high-functional delusionals. For example, John Nash (Nobel Prize 
winner, bio portrayed in Beautiful Mind) was clearly delusional -- but also 
able to excel in cutting edge mathematics.  Nash (and Hammonds, yet  I am not 
equating their professional skills) may have been quite competent in their 
professional work, yet  delusional in their perceptions. 
 

 A second point that I was attempting to convey is that even delusional or 
imaginary works can provide insights. Again, hardly a proof of validity of 
Hammond's experience. But it also does not shut the door on his talk providing 
useful insights  -- even if only indirectly (e.g., stimulating ones thinking to 
induce some personal insights).
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Empty, 

 Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament.  It has taken the 
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that 
Christians have.
 

 Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written.  At 
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and 
people.  Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the 
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
 

 Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that 
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation.  It is now obvious that 
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
 

 In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism 
and radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.  
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq 
and Syria.
 

 The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that 
consciousness is common to all humans.  It is the link that binds everyone to 
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions.  I am sure there is 
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and 
dogmas of all religions.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
 

 Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
 

 Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)
 Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
 

 
 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.
 Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
 

 So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
 

 If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
 

 Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
 

 First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
 

 Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and then have changed his mind a 
thousand years or so lat

[FairfieldLife] "Why I love the Maharishi Institute"

[srijau]

"Why I love The Maharishi Institute" 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkAa6Lyirw&spfreload=10 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkAa6Lyirw&spfreload=10 
 
 "Why I love The Maharishi Institute" 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkAa6Lyirw&spfreload=10 "Nono" an MI5 student 
talks about what she's achieved and why she loves the Maharishi Institute
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Possibly there is more to it. Or not. 
 

 (1) I was surprised to read Hammond's bio -- 25 years as successful corporate 
lawyer working on global mergers and acquisitions -- clearly an odd career 
culmination for the alleged soul of Brighu, Jacob, one of Jesus' apostles, 
Plato, Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain.  Yet the career, and his nominal clarity 
as a speaker  distinguishes him from babbling street person babbling and 
run-of-the-mill new-age crazy. 
 

 Alleged soul indeed. But I think you make an error in assuming that because 
someone is smart and has a successful career then they are more likely to be 
correct in their theological musings. There is no end of highly intelligent 
people with PHD's who believe the most preposterous crap with no supporting 
evidence whatsoever.
 

 It's like how Ufologists assume they have a credible witness because they are 
a member of the police or armed forces. There really is no way to iron out the 
natural human tendency to be mistaken during unusual or unexpected situations. 
Or to unwittingly make things up or embellish what is in the environment, or 
just our minds.
 

 So George Hammond strikes me as highly deluded - no matter how sincere his 
beliefs. I can't tell him apart from some of my highly intelligent new age 
friends who believe in angels. I actually know someone who channels Jesus! 
 

 I'd like to do a Q&A with both her and George and compare results but I know 
the answer already as it's been done before. Parapsychology 101.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia S...

[wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

A good cite 4 such info is_www.rense.com_ (http://www.rense.com)  
 
 
In a message dated 12/7/2014 2:21:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
srijau@ymail.comno_re...@yahoogroups.com writes:



no one saying the truth  about such things is electable 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia S...

[wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

Our freedoms are safest when congress is adjourned as Jefferson stated 
 
 
In a message dated 12/7/2014 2:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
srijau@ymail.comno_re...@yahoogroups.com writes:



I would hate to see him  elected when the congress is Republican, and the 
public tends to hedge its  bets by creating divided government, however 
ineffective that may be. 

[FairfieldLife] Buddhist genocide

[srijau]

all the talk is good for the talk shows
Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma 
 
 Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma Myanmar has a 
Buddhist majority. The Muslim minority in Myanmar mostly consists of the 
Rohingya people and the descendants of Muslim immigrants from India (including 
what is now Bangladesh) and China (the ancestors of Chinese Muslims in Myanmar 
came ...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding

[srijau]

I would hate to see him elected when the congress is Republican, and the public 
tends to hedge its bets by creating divided government, however ineffective 
that may be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding

[srijau]

no one saying the truth about such things is electable

[FairfieldLife] genocidal buddhists in Bhutan

[srijau]

Bhutanese refugees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutanese_refugees 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutanese_refugees 
 
 Bhutanese refugees - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutanese_refugees Bhutanese refugees are 
Lhotshampas ("southerners"), a group of people of Nepali origin including the 
Kirat, Tamang, and Gurung peoples. These...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ron Paul is positioning himself to be the next president of the US.  Given that 
the American electorate has gone Republican, he is just playing out the 
apparent mood of the people.  If he strikes the right chord, he can beat Romney 
for the nomination as the Republican candidate for president.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ron Paul: US Resolution Condemning Russia Similar to One Preceding Iraq War / 
Sputnik International

[FairfieldLife] Re: Worship of the self!

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Maybe she's starting a new type of theology, which is probably closer to Joel's 
ideas than one can imagine.  If her congregation believes it, then she's just 
voicing out the will of her congregation.  If not, more likely she'll be 
silenced from preaching it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When New Age takes over the Christians.
 

Victoria Osteen Comments Cause Controversy; She Says Worship And Obendience For 
Self, Not God [Video] 
http://www.inquisitr.com/1442513/victoria-osteen-comments-cause-controversy-she-says-worship-and-obendience-for-self-not-god-video/
  
  
 
http://www.inquisitr.com/1442513/victoria-osteen-comments-cause-controversy-she-says-worship-and-obendience-for-self-not-god-video/
  
  
  
  
  
 Victoria Osteen Comments Cause Controversy; She Says... 
http://www.inquisitr.com/1442513/victoria-osteen-comments-cause-controversy-she-says-worship-and-obendience-for-self-not-god-video/
 Victoria Osteen’s comments on obedience to God have got her in hot water with 
some in the Christian community, with some even calling it blasphemous. Osteen,


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Possibly there is more to it. Or not. 
 

 I watched the Hammond video last night.  Its easy to dismiss him and  cast him 
off as delusional(1). Yet art and literature are not real either, even still, 
they may open us up to new ways of viewing the world, and induce new ideas and 
internal hypotheses  -- even if the artist was bat-assed crazy.  My take away 
is that while his story is rather far-fetched, and he may be delusional, some 
useful points may have emerged, both directly and from subsequent pondering.  
 

 One Hammond theme is that religious founders/leaders' messages and strategies 
were experimental attempts focused on incrementally improving a select set of 
problems for specific  time, place and group of people, not universal truths 
applicable for all ages, problems and peoples -- and as such these targeted 
strategies had some unintended and unexpected negative consequences that 
continue through to today.  And that attempts to apply such strategies to 
today's world are major steps backwards, not forward.  He suggests righteous 
anger as an example of a method used in a particular era of the old testament 
-- focussed on combatting a perceived major problem of lethargy and laziness of 
a particular time and place.  Not stated as such, increasing rajas to reduce 
tomas might be the yogic parallel. When tomas is reduced, the method is no 
longer applicable. But these focussed methods such as righteous anger endured 
past their usefulness, took on a life of their own, and create larger problems 
than the original ones intended to be solved.
 

 Second, he dismisses the notion that  these strategies were created by an 
all-knowing all powerful deity. Rather he suggests that they were brainstormed 
and thought out by by good intentioned, smart, yet limited individuals. Jehovah 
is presented as a man -- who was inaccurately deified by later "faithful" 
generations and centuries. (And his premise that Jehovah and Allah are the 
same, in his model, suggests the violence-prone parallels of some sects of all 
of the Abrahamic religions.)

 

 Third, it was suggested that fear is the greatest block to social, individual 
and spiritual progress. My take is that irrational arguments and actions, 
particularly when networked across many nodes in a mob mentality situation, are 
driven by, are a response to, inner fear, particularly fear of change. For 
example, rapid change in culture adaptation of new technology, etc may cause 
many to cling to outdated traditions, self-help / religious models as antidotes 
to inner fear of change. Some good examples are the ones cited in your post on 
religious fundamentalism.
 

 And that while lashing out at the irrational is reasonable and rational, a 
personal trait -- and one which I observe many seem to share, the impetus 
towards such may be rooted in fear of irrational mindsets and groups, fear of 
loss when such gets out of hand, spirals out of control, the world run amuck by 
the irrational mob (too many examples to list). Ultimately decomposed also to a 
fear of change.  
 

 Fourth, Hammond premises that the process of "turning within" whether TM, any 
meditation, prayer, any means that enable us to better know and understand our 
own minds -- both its limits and more limitless aspects, is the most efficient 
and perhaps singular antidote to fear. And he suggests that there are many 
effective methods to turn within (currently available and yet to be derived) 
devoid of traditional, cultural and religious trappings. (And that within 
traditional cultures and religions there are existing practices, such as 
prayer, which can (though not always) turn the mind within and quiet the chaos 
of more manifest chatter and "noise". Consequently, a solution path for 
reducing fear of change-- both among the irrational adherents to outdated 
cultural/religious practices and dogma as a, as well as fear by more the more 
rational -- who have (possibly unacknowledged) fear of the former -- the 
uncertainty and chaos of the irrational mob, may be deriving and applying, 
making more universally available and helping to support adaptation of such, 
cultural and dogma free methods of turning within. 
 

 (1) I was surprised to read Hammond's bio -- 25 years as successful corporate 
lawyer working on global mergers and acquisitions -- clearly an odd career 
culmination for the alleged soul of Brighu, Jacob, one of Jesus' apostles, 
Plato, Johnathan Swift and Mark Twain.  Yet the career, and his nominal clarity 
as a speaker  distinguishes him from babbling street person babbling and 
run-of-the-mill new-age crazy. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

PS In short, it's not the religion, it's the evolution of the practioners and 
all have fallen short of the glory of God! 
  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the 
rightous and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to be 
concerned for those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, in the 
*name* of God, is in itself, wicked because it is purely political as opposed 
to God's judgement. You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac 
and Jacob judge those groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why 
everyone? In one case, the king of Israel granted mercy and spaired some 
lives,really for ransom,violating what the prophet had told him. One person 
that he let go, gave birth to a group of people, that hundreds of years later, 
tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, starting with those in Persia, read 
the book of Esther. The Jews were destined to produce theKwisatz Haderach, 
oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would bring salvation to the world. 
Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not 
men. People do all kinds of crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not 
through with those that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will 
bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you".
  

 From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the rightous 
and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to be concerned for 
those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, in the *name* of God, is 
in itself, wicked because it is purely political as opposed to God's judgement. 
You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob judge those 
groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why everyone? In one case, the 
king of Israel granted mercy and spaired some lives,really for ransom,violating 
what the prophet had told him. One person that he let go, gave birth to a group 
of people, that hundreds of years later, tried to to exterminate all of the 
Jews, starting with those in Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were 
destined to produce theKwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the 
Messiah, who would bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back 
to the Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those that 
have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those that bless you 
and curse those that curse you".
   From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
     
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God.  Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleans

Re: [FairfieldLife] New Horizons at Pluto

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is the first image transmitted:
 

 Most interesting, you can tell this entity has evolved to cope with life a 
long way from the Sun. First of all it has a large eye, this will help gather 
most light at that vast distance. The green colour must be a chlorophyll 
adaptation to maximise energy gains from starlight, and the vestigial nose must 
be because a sense of smell is redundant in a cold atmosphere due to nasal 
hairs freezing.
 

 Yes, it's just what I would have expected life in the outer limits of the 
solar system would have looked like. It does seem to be communicating though, I 
hope they are friendly...
 
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Horizons at Pluto
 
 
   
 Looks like it's all systems go for some more cool planetary stuff.
 

 New Horizons probe rouses from hibernation for Pluto mission 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/07/new-horizons-pluto-mission

 
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/07/new-horizons-pluto-mission
 
 New Horizons probe rouses from hibernation for Pluto m... 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/07/new-horizons-pluto-mission 
Scientific observation of Pluto and other bodies in the Kuiper Belt, solar 
system’s last unexplored region, begins next month


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/07/new-horizons-pluto-mission
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[salyavin808]

I think you should leave and start your own site Buck. You could call it "The 
Plateau - for people who have stopped thinking". 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a seasonal silence over FFL 
as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral leadership towards 
reforming the general unkindness that spread across FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto first day of Spring [March 20th 2015] whence fairer flowers springing 
might arise anew coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so 
imposed administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  


  Rick, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL even 
unto the first day of Spring. [March 20th 2015]



 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral leadership 
in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this battlefield of FFL 
has become. It is time to clear the FFL field spiritually. 
 I would support you in this, 
  -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.  



 Yep silence FFL, suspend it, unto Easter Sunday [April 5, 2015] symbolic to 
the resurrection of something anew and a new hope in the community that was FFL.


 Dear Rick,  
 How about we take, at the least, the rest of the month of December and suspend 
all posting at all to FFL? Start then with a kinder more gentle FFL anew with 
posting on January 1st. Take some time off to re-group.
 -Buck  
 



 Rick, we know and understand that you are busy however; have you been reading 
any of the posts to FFL?


 Rick, Just scroll down through the subject lines if you don't have time to 
read the posts, they are appalling. -Buck


 Rick, the neganauts here are playing you now to see how far they can take it.

 Dear Rick, As an old Friend You see I really don't feel that you should yield 
FairfieldLife over to the methodical negativity that has overrun and overtaken 
our FairfieldLife [FFL] community on Yahoo-groups.  Sincerely, -Buck

 Rick, FairfieldLife [FFL] has been way too important to communal Fairfield 
life in the past to just let it go to the aggressive dogs of unkind negativity 
as some mean and now narrowed successor group caliphate of hateful neganauts.

The larger communal use of FFL that FFL could facilitate in communication:

 Rick, for instance this FFL post is an incredibly important post within the 
things going on right now in the Fairfield meditating community: 404986Re: FW: 
A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of 
Othershttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986 
 


 Rick,  Could reading the old FFL posts be kept open to scholarship 
 whilst the posting function for everyone could be suspended?
  
  Like, being able to look at at these whilst posting is suspended? ..
 
 
 406280Hammond's Channel of Maharishi and the DC TM Meeting 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280
 
 
 Or,
 
 
 402694Re: An Old Index to FFL 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694
 
 
 68Notes of the Hammond TM Lecture
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68
 
 
 
 


 Yes a general shutdown of posting to FFL but, One of the most urgent uses of 
FFL for scholarly purposes is research into mining of the archive of FFL. The 
amazing archive here tells a back-story of a community. Is there a way (?) to 
keep the search function of the archive and also the files section open whilst 
shutting off posting to FFL for a while in the FFL groups settings?  

 

 

 

WLeed3@...> wrote :

 GOOD IDEA RICK & BUCK

 

 Dear, Dear Rick;  How about taking the month of December to suspend posting at 
all to FFL? Start anew with posting on January 1st.  Let thy people re-pattern 
their lives silent as a period of time to reflect elsewhere. Time for a 
re-groove, a retreading of the tires of the forum that is FairfieldLife. It 
should be better for everyone and for what FFL would be. 
 
 
 With the Best of Regards,
 The FFL Patriarch Of Positivity 
 -Buck in the Dome  
 


 WLeed3@...> writes :

 I will leave the form to much nasty hateful thought forms via here via: 
verbiage & back biting & not enough re Fairfield IA & few good vibes, I agree 
with Buck. Col Wm D, Leed IV, best in all till it may be cleaned up Rick & all.



 Of late on FairfieldLife it feels like that sweep of IS across Syria has 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:10 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
>
*/With all Buddhist compassion, I must suggest that the people who 
fled to The_Peak are the ones who can't handle insanely great humor 
like this.  :-)/*

>
So, how would you be knowing who "fled to The_Peak"? Maybe they're just 
not posting to FFL anymore because you called in the cops and had a few 
FFL informants added to the Dutch police and Interpol /"Watch List."/ Go 
figure.

>



*From:* "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:00 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is 
removed - Goodbye



IMO, that one image conveys the very essence of what FFL is all about. 
The flow of the words is like a Zen koan or mahavakya in how it shuts 
down the intellect, revealing the underlying, transcendent Reality. 
The image says become as a little child, yet also conveys the aged 
wisdom of a graying beard. And you just *know* that if we could hear 
him speak, it would be with the Indian accent of spiritual authority. 
And finally, there is food. Grilled portobello with chevre. Foie gras 
or duck confit with toasted baguette rounds. Perhaps, a savory chevon 
ragout.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What other response can you make to a desire for one poster to stop 
other people from communicating with each other because he doesn't 
like what they are talking about. That picture saved me a lot of 
words, thanks.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

http://i.imgur.com/gut7kgu.png


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a /seasonal /silence 
over FFL as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral 
leadership towards reforming the general unkindness that spread across 
FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups, /it would be very good to extend such a 
suspended silence upon FFL even unto first day of Spring [March 
20/^/th/ /2015]/ whence fairer flowers springing might arise anew 
coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so imposed 
administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield

Re: [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I spent so many years in and around Berkeley. This is heartbreaking. 

I'm sorry, but I'm *so* glad I'm over here, and not there. 
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A little partying going on
   
     Some shots of police hostility in a nearby community:

Berkeley Cops Beat Protestors 12/6/2014 #BlackLivesMatter



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[FairfieldLife] Barry Piracy, was Richard Williams, Doctor of Plagiarism

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:06 AM, seerdopewrote:
>

What's it called when you plagiarize yourself?

>
/Nobody knew Barry was such a fine artist. Go figure./

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/407152

So, I wonder where are the credits for Barry's copy and paste of 
the/"Grant Wood American Gothic parody"/ from Pinterest?


https://www.pinterest.com/rwarden1961/american-gothic/

[FairfieldLife] A little partying going on

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Some shots of police hostility in a nearby community:

http://youtu.be/OdB4DXkEkRI

[FairfieldLife] Pirates, was Richard Williams, Doctor of Plagiarism

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 3:52 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote>
*/It almost certainly IS bollocks, s3raphita, but one thing you can 
probably count on is that it isn't even Willytex's bollocks. He's just 
being a Doctor or Plagiarism again.

/*

>
Oh, my Gawd! A pirate got obsessed with Willytex for copying and pasting 
to FFL. This is just outrageous! Someone should call the police and put 
a choke-hold on him and take him down: "Willytex, raise your hands!"

>/*
*/
*/Just for fun, I ran the bolded sections of what you cited below 
through my Copyscape anti-plagiarism tool and found over 100 exact, 
word-for-word matches. I've only pasted in the first few below. Given 
the astounding number of matches, it appears that Richard is far from 
the *only* person trying to pass others' writing off as his own, but 
these results should hopefully dampen the enthusiasm of people like 
Share, who actually seems to have been taken in to believe that 
Richard actually writes the stuff he posts./*

/*>*/
The key words in this post are /"According to what I've read."/ Links 
are available on request, as always, but you already knew that, Barry.


So, Barry where are the attribution and credits for the recent pirating 
from Pinterest?


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/407152

https://www.pinterest.com/rwarden1961/american-gothic/
>

__ Correction:

>
*According to what I've read*, *"the Zohar (Hebrew - splendor or 
radiance)

is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought
known as Kabbalah. The Kabbalah (Hebrew - receiving) is a discipline and
school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Judaism.

It is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship
between an eternal/mysterious Creator and the mortal/finite universe
(His creation). Kabbalah seeks to define the nature of the universe and
the human being, the nature and purpose of existence, and various other
ontological questions. It also presents methods to aid understanding of
these concepts and to thereby attain spiritual realization."*

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I will allow emptybill to fight this intellectual battle, only tossing into the 
ring, "Anyone who could have been impressed by the notion of a 'jealous God' 
when growing up was probably already halfway on the way to becoming a victim of 
abuse, having been programmed to follow that path by their abusers." 

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
     
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God.  Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and then have changed his mind a 
thousand years or so later. If God really knows all and can do whatever he 
wants, why couldn't he have brought Jesus and the New Testament down earlier 
and saved the Earth a whole lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach 
forgiveness after you've been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very 
all-loving to me. Whichever tack you take, the argument that a New Testament 
separates modern Christianity from the atrocities of the Old Testament is a 
theologically unsound excuse.
That also goes for the whole rigamarole that Christians go through to give 
themselves the title of God's new Chosen People. This old Christian canard 
argues that God used to call the Jews his Chosen People, but the Jews weren't 
worthy, so since the arrival of Jesus, the Chosen People are the Christians. 
Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes who the Chosen People are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Richard Williams, Doctor of Plagiarism (was Re: YhWh is Shiva?)

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wow! thank you thank you thank you seerdope, what fun! slagerize?!

  From: "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:06 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Richard Williams, Doctor of Plagiarism (was Re: 
YhWh is Shiva?)
   
    
What's it called when you plagiarize yourself? 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

With all Buddhist compassion, I must suggest that the people who fled to 
The_Peak are the ones who can't handle insanely great humor like this.  :-)

  From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - 
Goodbye
   
    
IMO, that one image conveys the very essence of what FFL is all about. The flow 
of the words is like a Zen koan or mahavakya in how it shuts down the 
intellect, revealing the underlying, transcendent Reality. The image says 
become as a little child, yet also conveys the aged wisdom of a graying beard. 
And you just *know* that if we could hear him speak, it would be with the 
Indian accent of spiritual authority. And finally, there is food. Grilled 
portobello with chevre. Foie gras or duck confit with toasted baguette rounds. 
Perhaps, a savory chevon ragout.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What other response can you make to a desire for one poster to stop other 
people from communicating with each other because he doesn't like what they are 
talking about. That picture saved me a lot of words, thanks.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling aperiod like a seasonal silenceover FFL as 
a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moralleadership towards reforming 
the general unkindness that spreadacross FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups, it 
would be very good toextend such a suspended silence upon FFL even unto first 
day ofSpring [March 20th 2015] whence fairerflowers springing might arise anew 
coming out of such reformativedepth as a reflective period so imposed 
administratively as areflective moral silence of a long and silent communal FFL 
winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard Williams, Doctor of Plagiarism (was Re: YhWh is Shiva?)

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 What's it called when you plagiarize yourself? 
 

 Sorkinisms II - The Sequel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeuV3xXxUc 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeuV3xXxUc 
 
 Sorkinisms II - The Sequel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeuV3xXxUc A note 
on this supercut: http://kevintporter.tumblr.com/post/54911824674/sorkinisms-ii 
Here it is, the follow-up that's probably not as good as the fir...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeuV3xXxUc 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

[FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
 

 Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
 

 Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)
 Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
 

 
 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.
 Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
 

 So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
 

 If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
 

 Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
 

 First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
 

 Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and then have changed his mind a 
thousand years or so later. If God really knows all and can do whatever he 
wants, why couldn't he have brought Jesus and the New Testament down earlier 
and saved the Earth a whole lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach 
forgiveness after you've been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very 
all-loving to me. Whichever tack you take, the argument that a New Testament 
separates modern Christianity from the atrocities of the Old Testament is a 
theologically unsound excuse.
 

 That also goes for the whole rigamarole that Christians go through to give 
themselves the title of God's new Chosen People. This old Christian canard 
argues that God used to call the Jews his Chosen People, but the Jews weren't 
worthy, so since the arrival of Jesus, the Chosen People are the Christians. 
Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes who the Chosen People are -- I 
don't think that they ought to have the right to go around and kill people just 
because they aren't Chosen. It doesn't matter whether genocide takes place on 
the basis of ethnicity or religion. It's still genocide.
 Besides, all the Christian protestations about being followers of the New 
Testaments and not the Old Testament are shown to be the hollow excuses they 
are by the continued use of the Old Testament by practically every Christian 
church on the face o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Skaktipat

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/06/2014 06:27 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


On 12/6/2014 6:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>


So can you, Richard, give shaktipat?

>
Of course, but I don't usually give out that teaching for the simple 
reason that students can become dependent on it and thus fail to 
develop their own shakti. According to the other Barry, it's really no 
big deal - it's based on attention meditation. You develop kundalini 
every time you practice TM.


How many people have you given shaktipat to?

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/07/2014 05:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/I once knew some folks who were into their particular "liver 
cleanse," during which they fasted a short bit, then drank down a 
combination of lemon juice, olive oil, and Colosan (a natural colon 
cleanser). This would supposedly clean out years of accumulated gunk 
in your liver, which would appear magically in their toilet as 
green-colored globules of gick, after which all who tried this 
cleansing routine raved about how much better and more energetic they 
felt. They swore by this routine, and recommended it to others.

/*
*/
/*
*/Turns out the green-colored globules of gick are just what happens 
to olive oil when you mix it with lemon juice and ingest it. They were 
"cleansing themselves" of exactly the thing they had ingested a few 
hours earlier. :-)

/*
*/
/*
In a similar vein the Guardian's Bad Science columnist Ben Goldacre 
once tested a lot of popular, and expensive, detox products.


He did it by having all his usual bodily excressences analysed both 
before and after taking many of these supposedly cleansing substances, 
and he found there wasn't anything there that wasn't there before. 
You'd think there would be something to show for all the expensive 
rituals.


He ruined many a promising new age health "experts" career by hounding 
them with the results of his data. "Dr" Gillian McKeith doesn't call 
herself a doctor any more because of him.


This whole conversation is starting to make me feel good about 
continuing my chocolate and mince pie consumption well into the new 
year. Oh yes.




And I guess you don't have to worry then about drinking too much 
Guinness at the local pub. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

IMO, that one image conveys the very essence of what FFL is all about. The flow 
of the words is like a Zen koan or mahavakya in how it shuts down the 
intellect, revealing the underlying, transcendent Reality. The image says 
become as a little child, yet also conveys the aged wisdom of a graying beard. 
And you just *know* that if we could hear him speak, it would be with the 
Indian accent of spiritual authority. And finally, there is food. Grilled 
portobello with chevre. Foie gras or duck confit with toasted baguette rounds. 
Perhaps, a savory chevon ragout.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What other response can you make to a desire for one poster to stop other 
people from communicating with each other because he doesn't like what they are 
talking about. That picture saved me a lot of words, thanks.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a seasonal silence over FFL 
as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral leadership towards 
reforming the general unkindness that spread across FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto first day of Spring [March 20th 2015] whence fairer flowers springing 
might arise anew coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so 
imposed administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

This is a "corporate science" article where he gives himself away when 
he advocates the Mediterranean Diet.  This is *no one diet* that fits 
all.  We are *individuals* and have different dietary needs.  This is at 
the core of Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine.  And there is corresponding 
western research into "biochemical individuality" but it is apparently 
too "complicated" for most western doctors.  Perhaps they should have 
been scrub nurses instead.


Things that are often called "snake oil" may often be marketed because 
they *did* work for some people.  For instance the Mediterranean Diet 
will help folks who have "metbolic syndrone". Unfortunatley corporate 
medicine treats the public as if they *all *have metabolic syndrome.  I 
don't have it.  Lots of people don't have it.  It's "shotgun medicine" 
at it's worst.


There definitely are some detox methods that work and they have been 
around for ages.  We know some of them from Ayurveda and from Chinese 
Medicine.  Some are part of western folk medicine.  And some heaven 
forbid, came from  esteemed medical clinics such as the Mayo and 
Lacy Clinic.


To throw out some of these methods, diets and so force is often throwing 
out the baby with the bath water.  Both Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine 
are based on biochemistry!  Toss out biochemistry and you toss out 
corporate medicine too.


On 12/07/2014 01:54 AM, eustace10679 wrote:


There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a 
nonsense. Diet and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which 
of the latest fad regimes can really make a difference? We look at the 
facts



Friday 5 December 2014 04.00 EST


Whether it’s cucumbers splashing into water or models sitting smugly 
next to a pile of vegetables, it’s tough not to be sucked in by the 
detox industry. The idea that you can wash away your calorific sins is 
the perfect antidote to our fast-food lifestyles and 
alcohol-lubricated social lives. But before you dust off that juicer 
or take the first tentative steps towards a colonic irrigation clinic, 
there’s something you should know: detoxing – the idea that you can 
flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky clean 
and raring to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept designed 
to sell you things.


“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of 
complementary medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of 
detox: one is respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, 
he says, is the medical treatment of people with life-threatening drug 
addictions. “The other is the word being hijacked by entrepreneurs, 
quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus treatment that allegedly 
detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have accumulated.”


If toxins did build up in a way your body couldn’t excrete, he says, 
you’d likely be dead or in need of serious medical intervention. “The 
healthy body has kidneys, a liver, skin, even lungs that are 
detoxifying as we speak,” he says. “There is no known way – certainly 
not through detox treatments – to make something that works perfectly 
well in a healthy body work better.”


Much of the sales patter revolves around “toxins”: poisonous 
substances that you ingest or inhale. But it’s not clear exactly what 
these toxins are. If they were named they could be measured before and 
after treatment to test effectiveness. Yet, much like floaters in your 
eye, try to focus on these toxins and they scamper from view. In 2009, 
a network of scientists assembled by the UK charity Sense about 
Science contacted the manufacturers of 15 products sold in pharmacies 
and supermarkets that claimed to detoxify. The products ranged from 
dietary supplements to smoothies and shampoos. When the scientists 
asked for evidence behind the claims, not one of the manufacturers 
could define what they meant by detoxification, let alone name the toxins.


Yet, inexplicably, the shelves of health food stores are still packed 
with products bearing the word “detox” – it’s the marketing equivalent 
of drawing go-faster stripes on your car. You can buy detoxifying 
tablets, tinctures, tea bags, face masks, bath salts, hair brushes, 
shampoos, body gels and even hair straighteners. Yoga, luxury 
retreats, and massages will also all erroneously promise to detoxify. 
You can go on a seven-day detox diet and you’ll probably lose weight, 
but that’s nothing to do with toxins, it’s because you would have 
starved yourself for a week.


Then there’s colonic irrigation. Its proponents will tell you that 
mischievous plaques of impacted poo can lurk in your colon for months 
or years and pump disease-causing toxins back into your system. Pay 
them a small fee, though, and they’ll insert a hose up your bottom and 
wash them all away. Unfortunately for them – and possibly fortunately 
for you – no doctor has ever seen one of these mythical plaques, and 
many warn against having the procedure done, saying tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


 

On 12/07/2014 06:20 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

   
  On 12/06/2014 05:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote: 
 
   
    From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

  
 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of  silence over 
FairfieldLife  as a means of disengagement would be  important moral leadership 
in changing the manifest  wreckage of unkind tone that this  battlefield of FFL 
has  become. It is time to clear the FFL field  spiritually.  I would support 
you in this,   -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on  FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. 
   
 
  Bhairitu, please bear in mind that I am old and partially-retired  in the 
Netherlands and thus SO  not a soft touch financially  :-), but consider this  
an offer to pitch in to crowd-funding  your rendering (in the animation program 
of your choice)  of Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife  at 
Yahoo-groups. 
  Your recent assessment of Willytex was masterful. I suggest that  this might 
offer another opportunity  for creativity.
 
   
   
   
 
  
  And I assume you've seen Rick's version of the same picture?  :-D  
  I actually haven't. Color me clueless, without clue. Or better, post  Rick's 
version.  :-) 
   
 
 From batgap.com but I thought it was also in photos on FFL but you'd have to 
look through a lot of pictures of Willytex to find it.
 
http://3hxxqd15t9lh3dgopm39smls.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/022-Rick-Archer1.jpg

 
Much better. 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/07/2014 06:20 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 



On 12/06/2014 05:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 


Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral 
leadership in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this 
battlefield of FFL has become. It is time to clear the FFL field 
spiritually.

I would support you in this,
 -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.


*/Bhairitu, please bear in mind that I am old and partially-retired 
in the Netherlands and thus SO not a soft touch financially :-), but 
consider this an offer to pitch in to crowd-funding your rendering 
(in the animation program of your choice) of /Buck, the Patriarch of 
Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups/.

/*
*/Your recent assessment of Willytex was masterful. I suggest that 
this might offer another opportunity for creativity.


/*





And I assume you've seen Rick's version of the same picture? :-D

*/I actually haven't. Color me clueless, without clue. Or better, post 
Rick's version.  :-)/*




From batgap.com but I thought it was also in photos on FFL but you'd 
have to look through a lot of pictures of Willytex to find it.


http://3hxxqd15t9lh3dgopm39smls.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/022-Rick-Archer1.jpg

or

http://batgap.com/rick-archer-richard-miller/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What other response can you make to a desire for one poster to stop other 
people from communicating with each other because he doesn't like what they are 
talking about. That picture saved me a lot of words, thanks.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a seasonal silence over FFL 
as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral leadership towards 
reforming the general unkindness that spread across FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto first day of Spring [March 20th 2015] whence fairer flowers springing 
might arise anew coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so 
imposed administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  


  Rick, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL even 
unto the first day of Spring. [March 20th 2015]



 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral leadership 
in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this battlefield of FFL 
has become. It is time to clear the FFL field spiritually. 
 I would support you in this, 
  -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.  



 Yep silence FFL, suspend it, unto Easter Sunday [April 5, 2015] symbolic to 
the resurrection of something anew and a new hope in the community that was FFL.


 Dear Rick,  
 How about we take, at the least, the rest of the month of December and suspend 
all posting at all to FFL? Start then with a kinder more gentle FFL anew with 
posting on January 1st. Take some time off to re-group.
 -Buck  
 



 Rick, we know and understand that you are busy however; have you been reading 
any of the posts to FFL?


 Rick, Just scroll down through the subject lines if you don't have time to 
read the posts, they are appalling. -Buck


 Rick, the neganauts here are playing you now to see how far they can take it.

 Dear Rick, As an old Friend You see I really don't feel that you should yield 
FairfieldLife over to the methodical negativity that has overrun and overtaken 
our FairfieldLife [FFL] community on Yahoo-groups.  Sincerely, -Buck

 Rick, FairfieldLife [FFL] has been way too important to communal Fairfield 
life in the past to just let it go to the aggressive dogs of unkind negativity 
as some mean and now narrowed successor group caliphate of hateful neganauts.

The larger communal use of FFL that FFL could facilitate in communication:

 Rick, for instance this FFL post is an incredibly important post within the 
things going on right now in the Fairfield meditating community: 404986Re: FW: 
A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of 
Othershttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986 
 


 Rick,  Could reading the old FFL posts be kept open to scholarship 
 whilst the posting function for everyone could be suspended?
  
  Like, being able to look at at these whilst posting is suspended? ..
 
 
 406280Hammond's Channel of Maharishi and the DC TM Meeting 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280
 
 
 Or,
 
 
 402694Re: An Old Index to FFL 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694
 
 
 68Notes of the Hammond TM Lecture
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68
 
 
 
 


 Yes a general shutdown of posting to FFL but, One of the most urgent uses of 
FFL for scholarly purposes is research into mining of the archive of FFL. The 
amazing archive here tells a back-story of a community. Is there a way (?) to 
keep the search function of the archive and also the files section open whilst 
shutting off posting to FFL for a while in the FFL groups settings?  

 

 

 

WLeed3@...> wrote :

 GOOD IDEA RICK & BUCK

 

 Dear, Dear Rick;  How about taking the month of December to suspend posting at 
all to FFL? Start anew with posting on January 1st.  Let thy people re-pattern 
their lives silent as a period of time to reflect elsewhere. Time for a 
re-groove, a retreading of the tires of the forum that is FairfieldLife. It 
should be better for everyone and for what FFL would be. 
 
 
 With the Best of Regards,
 The FFL Patriarch Of Positivity 
 -Buck in the Dome  
 


 WLeed3@...> writes :

 I will leave the form to much nasty hateful thought forms via here via: 
verbiage & back biting & not enough re Fairfield IA & few good vibes, I agree 
with Buck. Col Wm D

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What kind-a doctor was she before?
 

She was a fake "website" doctor, just fill in a questionaire on herbal myths, 
pay a few bucks and your diploma is in the post.
 

 She had a thriving business selling all sorts of wonder foods in powdered form 
to add to your muesli, she still does actually just without the title to 
bamboozle the unwary,
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how 
do you get healthy?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I once knew some folks who were into their particular "liver cleanse," during 
which they fasted a short bit, then drank down a combination of lemon juice, 
olive oil, and Colosan (a natural colon cleanser). This would supposedly clean 
out years of accumulated gunk in your liver, which would appear magically in 
their toilet as green-colored globules of gick, after which all who tried this 
cleansing routine raved about how much better and more energetic they felt. 
They swore by this routine, and recommended it to others.

 

 Turns out the green-colored globules of gick are just what happens to olive 
oil when you mix it with lemon juice and ingest it. They were "cleansing 
themselves" of exactly the thing they had ingested a few hours earlier. :-)

 

 In a similar vein the Guardian's Bad Science columnist Ben Goldacre once 
tested a lot of popular, and expensive, detox products.
 

 He did it by having all his usual bodily excressences analysed both before and 
after taking many of these supposedly cleansing substances, and he found there 
wasn't anything there that wasn't there before. You'd think there would be 
something to show for all the expensive rituals. 
 

 He ruined many a promising new age health "experts" career by hounding them 
with the results of his data. "Dr" Gillian McKeith doesn't call herself a 
doctor any more because of him.
 

 This whole conversation is starting to make me feel good about continuing my 
chocolate and mince pie consumption well into the new year. Oh yes.

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 
   
 I used to know an medical doctor who also was a TM'er. He was a pathologist 
and said that in doing autopsies on several hundred people over the years he 
had yet to see any of the alleged "encrusted crud" in colons. He said it just 
doesn't exist. All the "crud" that comes out from cleansing diets is the clay 
etc people are eating and drinking to clean themselves out. This was a guy who 
had also taken the TM ayurveda training in pulse diagnoses. 
 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 
   
 Thanks, Eustace, fascinating article. I prefer a safe and gentle route for all 
this which consists of drinking plenty of water. Though years ago I read that 
when John Wayne died they discovered (gross alert) I think it was 27 pounds of 
encrusted crud in his colon! 

 

 From: eustace10679 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you 
get healthy?
 
 
   
 There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a nonsense. Diet 
and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which of the latest fad 
regimes can really make a difference? We look at the facts

 
Friday 5 December 2014 04.00 EST
 

 Whether it’s cucumbers splashing into water or models sitting smugly next to a 
pile of vegetables, it’s tough not to be sucked in by the detox industry. The 
idea that you can wash away your calorific sins is the perfect antidote to our 
fast-food lifestyles and alcohol-lubricated social lives. But before you dust 
off that juicer or take the first tentative steps towards a colonic irrigation 
clinic, there’s something you should know: detoxing – the idea that you can 
flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky clean and raring 
to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept designed to sell you things.

“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of complementary 
medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of detox: one is 
respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, he says, is the medical 
treatment of people with life-threatening drug addictions. “The other is the 
word being hijacked by entrepreneurs, quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus 
treatment that allegedly detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have 
accumulated.”

If toxins did build up in a way your body 

[FairfieldLife] Messy Nessy Chic Style Icons and Food Porn

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Since we've been talkin' food, I really must repost this repost of one of the 
classics from my favorite Paris blogger. I love MessyNessy.  :-)
Style Icons x Food P0rn

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| Style Icons x Food P0rnIt all started when I saw a beetroot salad Caprese and 
thought how much it reminded me of my favourite photograph of Frida Kahlo. So 
voilà, I hope you enjoy my |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


On 12/06/2014 05:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote: 

 
    From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

  
 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral leadership 
in changing the  manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this battlefield of FFL 
has become. It is time to clear  the FFL field spiritually.  I would support 
you in this,   -Buck,the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.   
 
  Bhairitu, please bear in mind that I am old and partially-retired in the  
Netherlands and thus SO not a soft touch financially :-), but consider this an 
offer to pitch in to crowd-funding your rendering (in the animation program of 
your choice) of Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. 
  Your recent assessment of Willytex was masterful. I suggest that this  might 
offer another opportunity for creativity.
 
   
   
   
 
 
 And I assume you've seen Rick's version of the same picture?  :-D 
I actually haven't. Color me clueless, without clue. Or better, post Rick's 
version.  :-)


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/06/2014 05:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 



Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral 
leadership in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this 
battlefield of FFL has become. It is time to clear the FFL field 
spiritually.

I would support you in this,
 -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.


*/Bhairitu, please bear in mind that I am old and partially-retired in 
the Netherlands and thus SO not a soft touch financially :-), but 
consider this an offer to pitch in to crowd-funding your rendering (in 
the animation program of your choice) of /Buck, the Patriarch of Peace 
on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups/.

/*
*/Your recent assessment of Willytex was masterful. I suggest that 
this might offer another opportunity for creativity.


/*





And I assume you've seen Rick's version of the same picture? :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a seasonal silence over FFL 
as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral leadership towards 
reforming the general unkindness that spread across FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto first day of Spring [March 20th 2015] whence fairer flowers springing 
might arise anew coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so 
imposed administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  


  Rick, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL even 
unto the first day of Spring. [March 20th 2015]



 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral leadership 
in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this battlefield of FFL 
has become. It is time to clear the FFL field spiritually. 
 I would support you in this, 
  -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.  



 Yep silence FFL, suspend it, unto Easter Sunday [April 5, 2015] symbolic to 
the resurrection of something anew and a new hope in the community that was FFL.


 Dear Rick,  
 How about we take, at the least, the rest of the month of December and suspend 
all posting at all to FFL? Start then with a kinder more gentle FFL anew with 
posting on January 1st. Take some time off to re-group.
 -Buck  
 



 Rick, we know and understand that you are busy however; have you been reading 
any of the posts to FFL?


 Rick, Just scroll down through the subject lines if you don't have time to 
read the posts, they are appalling. -Buck


 Rick, the neganauts here are playing you now to see how far they can take it.

 Dear Rick, As an old Friend You see I really don't feel that you should yield 
FairfieldLife over to the methodical negativity that has overrun and overtaken 
our FairfieldLife [FFL] community on Yahoo-groups.  Sincerely, -Buck

 Rick, FairfieldLife [FFL] has been way too important to communal Fairfield 
life in the past to just let it go to the aggressive dogs of unkind negativity 
as some mean and now narrowed successor group caliphate of hateful neganauts.

The larger communal use of FFL that FFL could facilitate in communication:

 Rick, for instance this FFL post is an incredibly important post within the 
things going on right now in the Fairfield meditating community: 404986Re: FW: 
A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of 
Othershttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986 
 


 Rick,  Could reading the old FFL posts be kept open to scholarship 
 whilst the posting function for everyone could be suspended?
  
  Like, being able to look at at these whilst posting is suspended? ..
 
 
 406280Hammond's Channel of Maharishi and the DC TM Meeting 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280
 
 
 Or,
 
 
 402694Re: An Old Index to FFL 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694
 
 
 68Notes of the Hammond TM Lecture
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68
 
 
 
 


 Yes a general shutdown of posting to FFL but, One of the most urgent uses of 
FFL for scholarly purposes is research into mining of the archive of FFL. The 
amazing archive here tells a back-story of a community. Is there a way (?) to 
keep the search function of the archive and also the files section open whilst 
shutting off posting to FFL for a while in the FFL groups settings?  

 

 

 

WLeed3@...> wrote :

 GOOD IDEA RICK & BUCK

 

 Dear, Dear Rick;  How about taking the month of December to suspend posting at 
all to FFL? Start anew with posting on January 1st.  Let thy people re-pattern 
their lives silent as a period of time to reflect elsewhere. Time for a 
re-groove, a retreading of the tires of the forum that is FairfieldLife. It 
should be better for everyone and for what FFL would be. 
 
 
 With the Best of Regards,
 The FFL Patriarch Of Positivity 
 -Buck in the Dome  
 


 WLeed3@...> writes :

 I will leave the form to much nasty hateful thought forms via here via: 
verbiage & back biting & not enough re Fairfield IA & few good vibes, I agree 
with Buck. Col Wm D, Leed IV, best in all till it may be cleaned up Rick & all.



 Of late on FairfieldLife it feels like that sweep of IS across Syria has 
spread and happened over FFL as an open forum.  
 
It is now time for meditation on FFL,
 -Buck 

 Dear Rick, I feel really sorr

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

snopes.com: Red Meat Impacts Feces in Colon 
http://snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp 
 
 http://snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp 
 
 snopes.com: Red Meat Impacts Feces in Colon 
http://snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp Did John Wayne's autopsy 
reveal 40 pounds of impacted feces in his colon?
 
 
 
 View on snopes.com http://snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Eustace, fascinating article. I prefer a safe and gentle route for all 
this which consists of drinking plenty of water. Though years ago I read that 
when John Wayne died they discovered (gross alert) I think it was 27 pounds of 
encrusted crud in his colon! 

 

 From: eustace10679 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you 
get healthy?
 
 
   
 There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a nonsense. Diet 
and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which of the latest fad 
regimes can really make a difference? We look at the facts

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Crowley is Out

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The TM'ers will say she chose it, but I'm bettin' she did get fired.
Maybe she'll go work for Lynch now.
Blog: Buh-bye, Candy Crowley
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| Blog: Buh-bye, Candy CrowleyCandy Crowley finally is out at CNN, in what 
sounds like her being fired.  |
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear Rick, Asserting and instilling a period like a seasonal silence over FFL 
as a gesture would place more of a firm grip as moral leadership towards 
reforming the general unkindness that spread across FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto first day of Spring [March 20th 2015] whence fairer flowers springing 
might arise anew coming out of such reformative depth as a reflective period so 
imposed administratively as a reflective moral silence of a long and silent 
communal FFL winter.  -Buck in Fairfield  


  Rick, it would be very good to extend such a suspended silence upon FFL even 
unto the first day of Spring. [March 20th 2015]



 Dear Rick, Instilling an administrative no-fly zone of silence over 
FairfieldLife as a means of disengagement would be important moral leadership 
in changing the manifest wreckage of unkind tone that this battlefield of FFL 
has become. It is time to clear the FFL field spiritually. 
 I would support you in this, 
  -Buck, the Patriarch of Peace on FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.  



 Yep silence FFL, suspend it, unto Easter Sunday [April 5, 2015] symbolic to 
the resurrection of something anew and a new hope in the community that was FFL.


 Dear Rick,  
 How about we take, at the least, the rest of the month of December and suspend 
all posting at all to FFL? Start then with a kinder more gentle FFL anew with 
posting on January 1st. Take some time off to re-group.
 -Buck  
 



 Rick, we know and understand that you are busy however; have you been reading 
any of the posts to FFL?


 Rick, Just scroll down through the subject lines if you don't have time to 
read the posts, they are appalling. -Buck


 Rick, the neganauts here are playing you now to see how far they can take it.

 Dear Rick, As an old Friend You see I really don't feel that you should yield 
FairfieldLife over to the methodical negativity that has overrun and overtaken 
our FairfieldLife [FFL] community on Yahoo-groups.  Sincerely, -Buck

 Rick, FairfieldLife [FFL] has been way too important to communal Fairfield 
life in the past to just let it go to the aggressive dogs of unkind negativity 
as some mean and now narrowed successor group caliphate of hateful neganauts.

The larger communal use of FFL that FFL could facilitate in communication:

 Rick, for instance this FFL post is an incredibly important post within the 
things going on right now in the Fairfield meditating community: 404986Re: FW: 
A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of 
Othershttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/404986 
 


 Rick,  Could reading the old FFL posts be kept open to scholarship 
 whilst the posting function for everyone could be suspended?
  
  Like, being able to look at at these whilst posting is suspended? ..
 
 
 406280Hammond's Channel of Maharishi and the DC TM Meeting 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/406280
 
 
 Or,
 
 
 402694Re: An Old Index to FFL 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/402694
 
 
 68Notes of the Hammond TM Lecture
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/68
 
 
 
 


 Yes a general shutdown of posting to FFL but, One of the most urgent uses of 
FFL for scholarly purposes is research into mining of the archive of FFL. The 
amazing archive here tells a back-story of a community. Is there a way (?) to 
keep the search function of the archive and also the files section open whilst 
shutting off posting to FFL for a while in the FFL groups settings?  

 

 

 

WLeed3@...> wrote :

 GOOD IDEA RICK & BUCK

 

 Dear, Dear Rick;  How about taking the month of December to suspend posting at 
all to FFL? Start anew with posting on January 1st.  Let thy people re-pattern 
their lives silent as a period of time to reflect elsewhere. Time for a 
re-groove, a retreading of the tires of the forum that is FairfieldLife. It 
should be better for everyone and for what FFL would be. 
 
 
 With the Best of Regards,
 The FFL Patriarch Of Positivity 
 -Buck in the Dome  
 


 WLeed3@...> writes :

 I will leave the form to much nasty hateful thought forms via here via: 
verbiage & back biting & not enough re Fairfield IA & few good vibes, I agree 
with Buck. Col Wm D, Leed IV, best in all till it may be cleaned up Rick & all.



 Of late on FairfieldLife it feels like that sweep of IS across Syria has 
spread and happened over FFL as an open forum.  
 
It is now time for meditation on FFL,
 -Buck 

 Dear Rick, I feel really sorry for you that you are left with just this 
cesspoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I once knew some folks who were into their particular "liver cleanse," during 
which they fasted a short bit, then drank down a combination of lemon juice, 
olive oil, and Colosan (a natural colon cleanser). This would supposedly clean 
out years of accumulated gunk in your liver, which would appear magically in 
their toilet as green-colored globules of gick, after which all who tried this 
cleansing routine raved about how much better and more energetic they felt. 
They swore by this routine, and recommended it to others.

Turns out the green-colored globules of gick are just what happens to olive oil 
when you mix it with lemon juice and ingest it. They were "cleansing 
themselves" of exactly the thing they had ingested a few hours earlier. :-)

In a similar vein the Guardian's Bad Science columnist Ben Goldacre once tested 
a lot of popular, and expensive, detox products.
He did it by having all his usual bodily excressences analysed both before and 
after taking many of these supposedly cleansing substances, and he found there 
wasn't anything there that wasn't there before. You'd think there would be 
something to show for all the expensive rituals. 
He ruined many a promising new age health "experts" career by hounding them 
with the results of his data. "Dr" Gillian McKeith doesn't call herself a 
doctor any more because of him.
This whole conversation is starting to make me feel good about continuing my 
chocolate and mince pie consumption well into the new year. Oh yes.
Tell me about it. I live with a family of good cooks (yes, including myself), 
so we eat well. fairly healthily, and omnivorally :-). On top of eating all 
that meat stuff, I have a glass of wine with every dinner and a couple of pints 
o'beer 3-4 times a week at my local pub. Lots of good desserts. My "exercise 
program" consists mainly of walking my dog and walking/riding my bike all 
around Leiden. Other than to enjoy what I'm eating, I pay no attention 
whatsoever to the supposed good-for-me-ness or not-good-for-me-ness of it, and 
never have, my whole life. 

So imagine my surprise when I had to find a new huisarts (General Practitioner) 
recently and she told me that my blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol 
levels are spot-on normal, and that all indications are that I'm as healthy as 
a horse. Go figure. In a way it's good that the people who moved on to The_Peak 
did so, because otherwise when they heard this they'd be muttering under their 
breath about how karma is even more indeterminable than they thought, and that 
the universe really, really isn't fair.  :-)

  From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 I used to know an medical doctor who also was a TM'er. He was a pathologist 
and said that in doing autopsies on several hundred people over the years he 
had yet to see any of the alleged "encrusted crud" in colons. He said it just 
doesn't exist. All the "crud" that comes out from cleansing diets is the clay 
etc people are eating and drinking to clean themselves out. This was a guy who 
had also taken the TM ayurveda training in pulse diagnoses. 



  From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 Thanks, Eustace, fascinating article. I prefer a safe and gentle route for all 
this which consists of drinking plenty of water. Though years ago I read that 
when John Wayne died they discovered (gross alert) I think it was 27 pounds of 
encrusted crud in his colon! 

  From: eustace10679 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you 
get healthy?
 
 There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a nonsense. Diet 
and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which of the latest fad 
regimes can really make a difference? We look at the facts

Friday 5 December 2014 04.00 EST
Whether it’s cucumbers splashing into water or models sitting smugly next to a 
pile of vegetables, it’s tough not to be sucked in by the detox industry. The 
idea that you can wash away your calorific sins is the perfect antidote to our 
fast-food lifestyles and alcohol-lubricated social lives. But before you dust 
off that juicer or take the first tentative steps towards a colonic irrigation 
clinic, there’s something you should know: detoxing – the idea that you can 
flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky clean and raring 
to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept designed to sell you things.

“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professo

Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how do you get healthy?

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What kind-a doctor was she before?

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your bo dy. It’s a myth. So how 
do you get healthy?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I once knew some folks who were into their particular "liver cleanse," during 
which they fasted a short bit, then drank down a combination of lemon juice, 
olive oil, and Colosan (a natural colon cleanser). This would supposedly clean 
out years of accumulated gunk in your liver, which would appear magically in 
their toilet as green-colored globules of gick, after which all who tried this 
cleansing routine raved about how much better and more energetic they felt. 
They swore by this routine, and recommended it to others.

Turns out the green-colored globules of gick are just what happens to olive oil 
when you mix it with lemon juice and ingest it. They were "cleansing 
themselves" of exactly the thing they had ingested a few hours earlier. :-)

In a similar vein the Guardian's Bad Science columnist Ben Goldacre once tested 
a lot of popular, and expensive, detox products.
He did it by having all his usual bodily excressences analysed both before and 
after taking many of these supposedly cleansing substances, and he found there 
wasn't anything there that wasn't there before. You'd think there would be 
something to show for all the expensive rituals. 
He ruined many a promising new age health "experts" career by hounding them 
with the results of his data. "Dr" Gillian McKeith doesn't call herself a 
doctor any more because of him.
This whole conversation is starting to make me feel good about continuing my 
chocolate and mince pie consumption well into the new year. Oh yes.
  From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 I used to know an medical doctor who also was a TM'er. He was a pathologist 
and said that in doing autopsies on several hundred people over the years he 
had yet to see any of the alleged "encrusted crud" in colons. He said it just 
doesn't exist. All the "crud" that comes out from cleansing diets is the clay 
etc people are eating and drinking to clean themselves out. This was a guy who 
had also taken the TM ayurveda training in pulse diagnoses. 



  From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do 
you get healthy?
 
 Thanks, Eustace, fascinating article. I prefer a safe and gentle route for all 
this which consists of drinking plenty of water. Though years ago I read that 
when John Wayne died they discovered (gross alert) I think it was 27 pounds of 
encrusted crud in his colon! 

  From: eustace10679 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can’t detox your body. It’s a myth. So how do you 
get healthy?
 
 There’s no such thing as ‘detoxing’. In medical terms, it’s a nonsense. Diet 
and exercise is the only way to get healthy. But which of the latest fad 
regimes can really make a difference? We look at the facts

Friday 5 December 2014 04.00 EST
Whether it’s cucumbers splashing into water or models sitting smugly next to a 
pile of vegetables, it’s tough not to be sucked in by the detox industry. The 
idea that you can wash away your calorific sins is the perfect antidote to our 
fast-food lifestyles and alcohol-lubricated social lives. But before you dust 
off that juicer or take the first tentative steps towards a colonic irrigation 
clinic, there’s something you should know: detoxing – the idea that you can 
flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky clean and raring 
to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept designed to sell you things.

“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of complementary 
medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of detox: one is 
respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, he says, is the medical 
treatment of people with life-threatening drug addictions. “The other is the 
word being hijacked by entrepreneurs, quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus 
treatment that allegedly detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have 
accumulated.”

If toxins did build up in a way your body couldn’t excrete, he says, you’d 
likely be dead or in need of serious medical intervention. “The healthy body 
has kidneys, a liver, skin, even lungs that are detoxifying as we speak,” he 
says. “There is no known way – certainly not through detox treatments – to make 
something that works perfectly well in a healthy body work better.”

Much of the sales patter revolves around “toxins”: poisonous substan

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