[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
After this whole kerfuffle about Judith's visititation here, I almost forgot to answer this post of yours. Hmm, there is not much to say for me on this whole topic, I am not really that much convinced in the reality of all these beings, or foreign spaceships coming here, etc. And I have heard about the bicameral mind before, here, years ago, I haven't read the book, but I found the theory interesting, and read everything I could find online years back, when someone brought it up here, maybe it was even you, or somebody else, and I discussed it back then with some people, one English lady, who said, her husband is really into it - I know her husband, but never really got to discuss it with him. From what I read online, largly in the scientific community, it is disregarded. But that doesn't mean that at least aspects of the theory have a truth to it, and in that sense, as a sort of graphic description, and definitely has something. But with regard to your first sentence: Interesting. I love meditating in the woods in a mindful type of way but haven't tried focusing on the head chakra before. I shall try this for a while and see what happens. I don't want to let this opportunity pass, to encourage you in this endeavour. I should maybe look at the video again, to see, what she means by 'head chakra', because there are several chakras in the head, but if she means what is also referred to as 'crown chakra', I want to encourage you to persue it. And again, I cannot give you many tips, there is not a straight way, there are some things you could do, but the very fact, that you feel inspired to persue it, is a good sign, I think. For me, I am not exaggerating, spirituality only starts with the opening of the crown chakra. Everything else is just a preparation. Everything else means: TM or any other method of meditation. And, you also should be grounded. You should not be given to delusional thinking or ideas. But as far as I know you, there is no big danger here with you, you seem to be a very rational person, and that is a good anchor. So I won't go into details, of what you might try to do, or what some of the symptons might be, there is no straight formular, and every person is different. I just want to encourage you, and tell you that there is a whole world up there, in the head or actually 'above head' chakra (because this is the sensation you get) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maybe you should see this one, I don't think she / they are joking. I think they are very serious about it. It's a sort of interview with her friend Arcturus Ra - (his real name is, uh, I have to look it up) Interesting. I love meditating in the woods in a mindful type of way but haven't tried focusing on the head chakra before. I shall try this for a while and see what happens. But where does the contacting of cosmic beings come from? It sounds a bit pat to say they just mistake their inner voice for something external and all the accumulated cultural junk we all have is subconsciously turned into a coherent belief system from a different perceived voice. Actually I'm pretty sure that's what happens but how does the mechanism work? Julian Jaynes wrote one of the most amazing books on the subject of mysterious inner voices, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. His idea is that humans evolved their current type of mental functioning via a different route than previously supposed, namely that we used to have minds that were split in two and hallucinated voices that we thought were our gods. Basically, until the late iron age we weren't conscious in the way we are now. If theory is true then it's a good explanation for channeling (among a great many other curious mental events), perhaps meditation can re-awaken this older type of mental functioning? I'm speculating wildly about a possible link here but the theory is fascinating, but the book is long and involved though but well worth a read anyway as it gives you new way of looking at the mind and humanity. I have no idea if he is right or wrong or maybe just partly right. Here's a short appraisal but he has much more evidence to support it, or at least evidence that doesn't contradict it: Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Bicameralism (the philosophy of two-chamberedness) is a hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once assumed a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be speaking, and a second part whi... View on en.wikipedia.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : After this whole kerfuffle about Judith's visititation here, I almost forgot to answer this post of yours. Hmm, there is not much to say for me on this whole topic, I am not really that much convinced in the reality of all these beings, or foreign spaceships coming here, etc. No, me neither. It actually depresses me a bit when people go on about it because it seems to me that it's killed their sense of wonder. NASA have spent decades and billions trying to think of ways to look for life on other planets, and it's all incredibly ingenious ad something for humanity to be proud of, but try explaining it to a new age UFO nut and they just say So what, the greys have been here for years and the Queen is a shape shifting reptile from the Pleiades. There aint much that will impress them after that... So if it's ever announced that complex life on another planet has been found via a spectroheliographic study of traces of unstable compounds in it's atmosphere by space based telescopes, too many people will be unimpressed compared to some Youtube video of Venus shot on a hand held mobile phone. Seems sad to me that the discovery of a lifetime might go unappreciated. On the other hand, theirs must be an exciting world to live in. Just an extremely inaccurate one I should think. And I have heard about the bicameral mind before, here, years ago, I haven't read the book, but I found the theory interesting, and read everything I could find online years back, when someone brought it up here, maybe it was even you, or somebody else, and I discussed it back then with some people, one English lady, who said, her husband is really into it - I know her husband, but never really got to discuss it with him. Quite possibly me actually. I read the book and really got it and have often mentioned it here when the underlying ideas could be part of the explanation for something, but whether it's an accurate description of how we attained complex inner awareness is something we'll probably never know. But once you start looking at the ancient world with the idea in mind an awful lot of things start to make sense - or at least have an explanation that fits - but the reason I brought it up in the context of channeling is that bicameralism involves the different speech centres of the brain being sealed off from each other so that when one pipes up the source is perceived as external. While that state - if it ever really existed - is no more, we do have situations like schizophrenia where these other voices confuse us so we think they aren't us. Maybe channelers start to reactivate the latent pathways between speech centres somehow? Pure speculation but fun for me to do because if they really are hearing voices they believe to be external it needs an explanation. Might as well start with the idea that mental ill health and new age beliefs can be unified with something. And why do we have so many speech centres anyway? One would surely do... From what I read online, largly in the scientific community, it is disregarded. But that doesn't mean that at least aspects of the theory have a truth to it, and in that sense, as a sort of graphic description, and definitely has something. But with regard to your first sentence: It was disregarded at first because Jaynes had to speculate about mental ill health but a lot of his ideas have been verified. I think the main problem would be how on Earth we got into that state in the first place. But basically it's disregarded but not disbelieved because there's no way it could be proved and it's a very odd idea that we might not have been self aware mere thousands of years ago during the first flush of civilisation. Can't be right, can it? Good fun to have different ways of looking at things, the Mesopotamia gallery in the British museum looks totally different to me since reading the book. Especially the skulls encased in plaster and placed on altars to give directions to the villagers. Where did they get that idea from? It's hardly rare in the ancient world that the people that the statues or preserved relatives actually were the gods that gave them wisdom and ruled society. There's a passage in a Babylonian text where the people who the God's have forsaken rampage through the streets holding their heads and screaming, then they smash the statues. I think humans are very odd compared to other animals - and that needs an explanation that nobody has - but were we ever that bicamerally weird? Interesting. I love meditating in the woods in a mindful type of way but haven't tried focusing on the head chakra before. I shall try this for a while and see what happens. I don't want to let this opportunity pass, to encourage you in this endeavour. I should maybe look at the video again, to see, what she means by 'head chakra', because
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha! I would love to see those! I may search all TM chat histories and see if any Salyavins pop up. You won't find much TB stuff under that name I'm afraid, I did have a look for the best one though but it's either been deleted or the site just doesn't exist any more. I was trying to convince some guy about yogic flying being the first stage of levitation and that groups doing it could create world peace. He asked me if I'd ever actually flown and I did what all good brainwashed TMers do and said it wasn't about that but the mental coherence you get from it but yes, all I'd done was hop about. He said that sounded a bit like paying for a car and having it fall apart on the forecourt and then deciding that you like scrap metal. Which is a great line and I always wanted to use it here against Judy/Lawson when they've come up with similar arguments, but I always felt a stab of guilt... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks so much for posting the Movement baloney - it gave me a chance to leave a very pointed comment. And good old Lawson English was right behind me in a frenzy to refute everything I said.Too bad he can't see his mind is polluted by TM propaganda. Good old Lawson! I admire his energy, the dude's on fire on that thread. He's like a Lone Ranger on the world's comment sections, he crops up all over the place. I used to do it too of course. Many many moons ago I had some highly embarrassing conversations wherein people trashed my POV about yogic flying and group coherence and my defence of the collected papers. Luckily I went off the whole thing very quickly or I might have a web footprint so cringeworthy I'd be tempted to change my name and grow a beard From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ With The Aim Of Giving Back http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, With The... http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ TM is enjoying a renaissance. And it seems to be helping those who need it most. View on www.forbes.com http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Preview by Yahoo http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : As to Lawson's rather rabid reply to my post, I do intend to bust his ass rather soundly, but I am too lazy to do it now, plus I need to watch the latest episode of Gotham which is far more important to me than Lawson's sycophantic defense of TM. Entertaining post. You forgot to mention the add-ons the TMO likes you to pay for like yagya's and bullshit therapies supposedly based on ancient literature - like that's some sort of validation! And their ultimate dream is of destroying society and replacing it with a royal dictatorship governed by natural law and astrology. Tell him to ask an actual physicist what they think of the underlying concept of string theory and yagyas for instance. I didn't need to read Lawson's reply but the other one from Sam is interesting in that he claims your experiences and opinions aren't relevant because they are based on bad experiences of the organisation (he seems not to care the bad experiences of the program because he didn't have any apparently) but the organisation is based entirely on the supposed claims of benefits from group meditation so if it doesn't work, why not? According to its own fundamental teaching it ought to be the most brilliantly run and successful organisation on Earth because it should be self-run via the unified field, which is another word for God. Ask him what any proper physicist thinks of the idea that consciousness is based on ancient ideas about vastu and quantum physics. But I know Lawson and he'll say that none of that is relevant compared to the benefits of simple meditation. And he's right, it's all bullshit. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks so much for posting the Movement baloney - it gave me a chance to leave a very pointed comment. And good old Lawson English was right behind me in a frenzy to refute everything I said.Too bad he can't see his mind is polluted by TM propaganda. Good old Lawson! I admire his energy, the dude's on fire on that thread. He's like a Lone Ranger on the world's comment sections, he crops up all over the place. I used to do it too of course. Many many moons ago I had some highly embarrassing conversations wherein people trashed my POV about yogic flying and group coherence and my defence of the collected papers. Luckily I went off the whole thing very quickly or I might have a web footprint so cringeworthy I'd be tempted to change my name and grow a beard From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ With The Aim Of Giving Back http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, With The... http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ TM is enjoying a renaissance. And it seems to be helping those who need it most. View on www.forbes.com http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Preview by Yahoo http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I've learned more about Marshy and his organisation than it's possible to by googling. Half the good stuff I learned about the Movement came from you Sal! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for posting this, Alex. I'm with Rick on this one. I honestly don't see in present-day FFL the abuse or bullying that Buck rants about. I see pro-TM posts appear without challenge, and I even see the occasional con-TM posts pass by without challenge. That, to me, speaks of progress. snip I honestly don't know what the fuck Buck is talking about. I think this place is just starting to show promise. I almost unsubscribed the other day. I was typing a post and put a quote in but I forgot who said it, so I googled it to find the author and it the only reference I could find was me writing in an absolutely identical post here in 2008! I'm not someone who likes to cross the same bridge twice so that was almost enough to tell me it's time to do something else with my tea and advert breaks. But I looked at what I'd miss if I didn't have FFL. You can learn a lot here, not just from the heavyweight writers who always have something worth hearing but unintentionally by the crazies and whiners and clueless who unwittingly demonstrate that you can meditate your entire life and not display a single shred of awareness. And if something exciting happens in our old spiritual alma mater it'll hit FFL first, I've learned more about Marshy and his organisation than it's possible to by googling. And then there's the book and movie recommendations, science updates. This place has it all! So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, peopleoften may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extendthemselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engagingwith evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provokeunfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on tothemselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process'takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get goodat it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too manyof the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking onFFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective insteadof just commenting on a substance of the material brought. Thatabusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFLcommunity.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. Thattakes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a gripof vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems awilling kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process
Re: [FairfieldLife] Too wonderful not to pass along
God damn! That's all I can say.
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David Lynch does a TM commercial.
When the Tribeca Disruptive Innovation Awards honored the director for his
work as founder and chairman of the David Lynch Foundation, it turned out Lynch
couldn’t make the evening.Instead of the usual apology email, the man who once
turned some test footage into a weird short film made a quick video to screen
at the award show.
David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendental Meditation
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| David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendent...While fans wait
with increasing dour moods on the future of the Twin Peaks reboot, David Lynch
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I love this -- the possibility that the cause of anxiety is having reached a point at which one has exceeded the viability of one's current skin and is feeling the need to don a new one. :-) And not only that, we've always known we have to meditate away the stress of previous lives to get enlightened, now we realise we have to shed the accumulated nasties of a billion different genera! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to moult when they outgrow their skins. Studies on sea urchins provided the missing link because they have a protein with elements common to those in both humans and insects and reveal a common ancestry hundreds of millions of years ago. Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insects to shed their skins have common origin http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insect... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to molt when the... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Too wonderful not to pass along
David Lynch does a TM commercial. When the Tribeca Disruptive Innovation Awards honored the director for his work as founder and chairman of the David Lynch Foundation, it turned out Lynch couldn’t make the evening.Instead of the usual apology email, the man who once turned some test footage into a weird short film made a quick video to screen at the award show. David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendental Meditation | | | | | | | | | | | David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendent...While fans wait with increasing dour moods on the future of the Twin Peaks reboot, David Lynch is busy doing…something. | | | | View on www.openculture.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too wonderful not to pass along
There's probably no way David Lynch's early student short films could compare to to the short films you made. Are you still using your iPhone 4? We look forward to seeing your work. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : David Lynch does a TM commercial. When the Tribeca Disruptive Innovation Awards http://www.tribecadisruptiveinnovationawards.com/ honored the director for his work as founder and chairman of the David Lynch Foundation http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/, it turned out Lynch couldn’t make the evening. Instead of the usual apology email, the man who once turned some test footage into a weird short film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPEUwm8_4wk made a quick video to screen at the award show. David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendental Meditation http://www.openculture.com/2015/04/david-lynch-creates-a-very-surreal-plug-for-transcendental-meditation.html http://www.openculture.com/2015/04/david-lynch-creates-a-very-surreal-plug-for-transcendental-meditation.html David Lynch Creates a Very Surreal Plug for Transcendent... http://www.openculture.com/2015/04/david-lynch-creates-a-very-surreal-plug-for-transcendental-meditation.html While fans wait with increasing dour moods on the future of the Twin Peaks reboot, David Lynch is busy doing…something. View on www.openculture.com http://www.openculture.com/2015/04/david-lynch-creates-a-very-surreal-plug-for-transcendental-meditation.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Meet Dinobat!
This little fella is cute. What a rich and diverse place the Mesozoic must have been, and with the extremely slim chance any animal has of getting fossilised we'll probably only ever know a few percent of life forms that have existed. Is it a bird? Is it a bat? Meet Yi qi, the dinosaur that is sort of both http://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2015/apr/29/bird-yi-qi-the-dinosaur-evolution-flight-feather-nature http://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2015/apr/29/bird-yi-qi-the-dinosaur-evolution-flight-feather-nature Is it a bird? Is it a bat? Meet Yi qi, the dinosaur that... http://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2015/apr/29/bird-yi-qi-the-dinosaur-evolution-flight-feather-nature Incredible new find from China has both feathers and bat-like wings View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2015/apr/29/bird-yi-qi-the-dinosaur-evolution-flight-feather-nature Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things
I love this -- the possibility that the cause of anxiety is having reached a
point at which one has exceeded the viability of one's current skin and is
feeling the need to don a new one. :-)
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things
Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans
has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to moult when they
outgrow their skins. Studies on sea urchins provided the missing link because
they have a protein with elements common to those in both humans and insects
and reveal a common ancestry hundreds of millions of years ago.
Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insects to shed their skins
have common origin
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Thanks for posting this, Alex. I'm with Rick on this one. I honestly don't see in present-day FFL the abuse or bullying that Buck rants about. I see pro-TM posts appear without challenge, and I even see the occasional con-TM posts pass by without challenge. That, to me, speaks of progress. I'm of the opinion that Fairfield Life is really starting to come into its own and recover after the unfortunate arrival of a few people from alt.meditation.transcendental (sadly, myself included), who turned this forum into a place where differing points of view were argued about, rather than discussed. I may have made my I apologize for nothing post the other day, and I stand on that -- I *apologize* for nothing. I said what I said in the moment and I stand by every moment of it, even though in the next moment I might not have felt the same way. So I don't apologize, but I do REGRET my part in the verbal battles that followed. I should have known better than to try to argue about things that don't even fucking exist. My bad. I'm actually seeing LESS outright arguing these days. Part of it, of course, is that many of the compulsive arguers are no longer with us. But another part is that I'm starting to sense a kind of camaraderie among the diehards who are still around. Whether they are pro-TM or con-TM, TBs or TNBs, there seems to be a little more MUTUAL RESPECT going down these days than in the past. This is the first time I'm trying to put my impressions of present-day FFL into words, so bear with me. It just feels to me as if most of the people who are still around -- whatever their beliefs or lack thereof -- are more able to converse civilly these days than they were in the past, when so many people were so actively trying to turn almost every discussion into an argument. I honestly don't know what the fuck Buck is talking about. I think this place is just starting to show promise. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, peopleoften may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extendthemselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engagingwith evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provokeunfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on tothemselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process'takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get goodat it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too manyof the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking onFFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective insteadof just commenting on a substance of the material brought. Thatabusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFLcommunity.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. Thattakes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a gripof vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems awilling kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process indisconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element hasbeen driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominantmethodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weaponto personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of,Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtfulconversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to haveproductive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work herewith the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for posting this, Alex. I'm with Rick on this one. I honestly don't see in present-day FFL the abuse or bullying that Buck rants about. I see pro-TM posts appear without challenge, and I even see the occasional con-TM posts pass by without challenge. That, to me, speaks of progress. snip I honestly don't know what the fuck Buck is talking about. I think this place is just starting to show promise. I almost unsubscribed the other day. I was typing a post and put a quote in but I forgot who said it, so I googled it to find the author and it the only reference I could find was me writing in an absolutely identical post here in 2008! I'm not someone who likes to cross the same bridge twice so that was almost enough to tell me it's time to do something else with my tea and advert breaks. But I looked at what I'd miss if I didn't have FFL. You can learn a lot here, not just from the heavyweight writers who always have something worth hearing but unintentionally by the crazies and whiners and clueless who unwittingly demonstrate that you can meditate your entire life and not display a single shred of awareness. And if something exciting happens in our old spiritual alma mater it'll hit FFL first, I've learned more about Marshy and his organisation than it's possible to by googling. And then there's the book and movie recommendations, science updates. This place has it all! So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite
[FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things
Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to moult when they outgrow their skins. Studies on sea urchins provided the missing link because they have a protein with elements common to those in both humans and insects and reveal a common ancestry hundreds of millions of years ago. Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insects to shed their skins have common origin http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insect... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to molt when the... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The amazing interconnectedness of all things
New meaning to the phrase things getting under your skin? On 04/29/2015 10:22 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to moult when they outgrow their skins. Studies on sea urchins provided the missing link because they have a protein with elements common to those in both humans and insects and reveal a common ancestry hundreds of millions of years ago. Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insects to shed their skins have common origin http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm image http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insect... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to molt when the... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
We've got some wild and woolly days coming up this summer. I'm sure there will be plenty to discuss. - Bhairitu reporting from the set of the science fiction movie California. On 04/29/2015 08:54 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“/*For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”*/In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place
[FairfieldLife] Re: To whom should Rick give FFL?
Yes, I hope to have a proposal to Rick on May 1st about this. -in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
The key words are ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I honestly don't see in present-day FFL the abuse or bullying that Buck rants about... It was a medical issue. The constant presence of Jim's, Nabby's, Steve's, and Ann's tongues up Judy's ass was aggravating her Crohn's Disease and giving her constant diarrhea. The only way she could get rid of it was to get rid of them. TurquoiseBee Sat, 25 Apr 2015 22:13:34 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg345907.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg345907.html j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change.
[FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Isn't that just like a thug or a bully - say something they don't like or don't agree with and they try to get you banned from the group. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. Was it something I said that upset you? Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here. salyavin808 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:23:54 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To whom should Rick give FFL?
I agree with Duveyoung. I suggest that if Rick is no longer interested in moderating the group he should hand it over to someone who is. That person might well consider renaming it, since this group, whatever its original intention, has nothing to do with “Fairfield Life.” Just three points from the Yahoo Group guidelines, especially the last one, will show how out of line a number of posters are here: Be a good citizen — Treat others with respect and report content that violates our Guidelines. Be courteous. Everyone wants to be treated with respect, and showing respect to others makes the community better for all members. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ah, I haven't looked since early last night so I haven't seen Sam's reply, but I shall deal with him forthwith - he'll feel like he's been glassed in an English pub. Oh dear, another entry for Buck's infinite litany of woe! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : As to Lawson's rather rabid reply to my post, I do intend to bust his ass rather soundly, but I am too lazy to do it now, plus I need to watch the latest episode of Gotham which is far more important to me than Lawson's sycophantic defense of TM. Entertaining post. You forgot to mention the add-ons the TMO likes you to pay for like yagya's and bullshit therapies supposedly based on ancient literature - like that's some sort of validation! And their ultimate dream is of destroying society and replacing it with a royal dictatorship governed by natural law and astrology. Tell him to ask an actual physicist what they think of the underlying concept of string theory and yagyas for instance. I didn't need to read Lawson's reply but the other one from Sam is interesting in that he claims your experiences and opinions aren't relevant because they are based on bad experiences of the organisation (he seems not to care the bad experiences of the program because he didn't have any apparently) but the organisation is based entirely on the supposed claims of benefits from group meditation so if it doesn't work, why not? According to its own fundamental teaching it ought to be the most brilliantly run and successful organisation on Earth because it should be self-run via the unified field, which is another word for God. Ask him what any proper physicist thinks of the idea that consciousness is based on ancient ideas about vastu and quantum physics. But I know Lawson and he'll say that none of that is relevant compared to the benefits of simple meditation. And he's right, it's all bullshit. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks so much for posting the Movement baloney - it gave me a chance to leave a very pointed comment. And good old Lawson English was right behind me in a frenzy to refute everything I said.Too bad he can't see his mind is polluted by TM propaganda. Good old Lawson! I admire his energy, the dude's on fire on that thread. He's like a Lone Ranger on the world's comment sections, he crops up all over the place. I used to do it too of course. Many many moons ago I had some highly embarrassing conversations wherein people trashed my POV about yogic flying and group coherence and my defence of the collected papers. Luckily I went off the whole thing very quickly or I might have a web footprint so cringeworthy I'd be tempted to change my name and grow a beard From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ With The Aim Of Giving Back http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Transcendental Meditation Makes A Comeback, With The... http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ TM is enjoying a renaissance. And it seems to be helping those who need it most. View on www.forbes.com http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ Preview by Yahoo http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/04/27/transcendental-meditation-makes-a-comeback-with-the-aim-of-giving-back/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
No lines on air for you then Buck? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
Ah, I haven't looked since early last night so I haven't seen Sam's reply, but
I shall deal with him forthwith - he'll feel like he's been glassed in an
English pub.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
As to Lawson's rather rabid reply to my post, I do intend to bust his ass
rather soundly, but I am too lazy to do it now, plus I need to watch the latest
episode of Gotham which is far more important to me than Lawson's sycophantic
defense of TM.
Entertaining post. You forgot to mention the add-ons the TMO likes you to pay
for like yagya's and bullshit therapies supposedly based on ancient
literature - like that's some sort of validation! And their ultimate dream is
of destroying society and replacing it with a royal dictatorship governed by
natural law and astrology. Tell him to ask an actual physicist what they think
of the underlying concept of string theory and yagyas for instance.
I didn't need to read Lawson's reply but the other one from Sam is
interesting in that he claims your experiences and opinions aren't relevant
because they are based on bad experiences of the organisation (he seems not to
care the bad experiences of the program because he didn't have any apparently)
but the organisation is based entirely on the supposed claims of benefits from
group meditation so if it doesn't work, why not? According to its own
fundamental teaching it ought to be the most brilliantly run and successful
organisation on Earth because it should be self-run via the unified field,
which is another word for God.
Ask him what any proper physicist thinks of the idea that consciousness is
based on ancient ideas about vastu and quantum physics. But I know Lawson and
he'll say that none of that is relevant compared to the benefits of simple
meditation. And he's right, it's all bullshit.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Thanks so much for posting the Movement baloney - it gave me a chance to leave
a very pointed comment. And good old Lawson English was right behind me in a
frenzy to refute everything I said.Too bad he can't see his mind is polluted by
TM propaganda.
Good old Lawson! I admire his energy, the dude's on fire on that thread. He's
like a Lone Ranger on the world's comment sections, he crops up all over the
place.
I used to do it too of course. Many many moons ago I had some highly
embarrassing conversations wherein people trashed my POV about yogic flying and
group coherence and my defence of the collected papers. Luckily I went off the
whole thing very quickly or I might have a web footprint so cringeworthy I'd be
tempted to change my name and grow a beard
From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION IN FORBES ONLINE MAGAZIN
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I suppose, if she does not return, this post (below) will be her epitaph. I hope not too soon, and I hope there will be a better epitaph. I would even attend her funeral if we could get some chinese funeral strippers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Whatever your reasons for doing this, congratulations! Thanks I fully accept this praise. It is conscious, but also involuntary in some sense, automatic, to see if it is possible. Judy *almost* managed a fairly clean exit from this place, leaving without a word of explanation and thus leaving behind a mystery. People could have been lulled by that seeming mystery into believing that she was making a new start or trying to become something different than she had been for years, or do something else that was...uh...actually positive. Yep, why not DO something, instead of just talk, talk, talk. You are active, doing something constructive in your life, and so do I - you know about that. So we blasted that 'mystery'. Though I think that mystery was never really planned by her, it was in all likelihood a physical necessity - which she is probably too embarrased to share with us. Her decline, also due to old age, was foreseeable. And it is a real blessing, that it is not actually working out in front of us all, we just got a little glimpse of it. By falling for your troll, she eliminated the possibility of that ever happening. In 9 short posts she revealed that instead of making some kind of new start and making some kind of spiritual progress away from FFL, SHE NEVER EVEN LEFT. She's been reading it compulsively, every day for ten months. One of my credos comes from cinematograpy: Don't say, show! Nobody can really prove how stupid he is, than a fool himself. Just let him act out. In this case, I do feel compassion with her, because she looked sooo bad! We know this because she tried to make *her* version of the Lemming Rush to The_Leak into the definitive This-Is-The-Truth-Because-Judy-Says-It-Is version. We know that in the past she has berated people for spotty reading and claimed that they could not *possibly* know the truth about things that happen on FFL if they don't read every post the way she does, so we know that to make such a claim as to know exactly what happened with The_Leak exodus, she was reading every post. As I've suggested a couple of times, that is almost too pathetic to be commented on -- Judy Stein, mysteriously disappearing from FFL, but in reality glued to her screen reading every post, every day, because she's that addicted to it. By falling for your troll, and then ranting about me, Salyavin and you the way she did, she also blew away any notion that anyone could have had that she'd moved on or somehow outgrown the hatred she was known for here for so many years. Not only is the hatred still there, it's worse than ever -- she's actually MORE angry and frustrated now after not interacting with us for ten months than she was before. Now this is really interesiting: how many people thought, in fact, that 'she has moved on'. There was always the possibility of a physical demise, or ailment, but it seems, that many, even true blue TMers (which she always was) believed, that she had a change of heart, that finally, she didn't post here anymore, because, she found her new beliefs not in allignment with her old ones, that some kind of lurking, underground conflict with the TM at large had resurfaced, and I feel that many would have seen this as a kind of progress, or at least some kind of liberation from her current mental prison. Because, if somebody like her, is so obsessive over the years, with a certain topic, TM, the TM technique and it's fundamental theory, she was not just obsessed with you and me, and isn't it largely interchangebale, all kinds of guys who came in the meantime, she obsessed about, a whole legacy of TM critics she was constantly chasing and obsessing about. How many have left here or at AMT because of her? What an honor that in her final replic here, my name appeared next to yours, but of course, our names are just placeholders for so many others. This attachment and obsessiveness, wouldn't we all have subconsciously wished for her, that in some kind of sublime moment of grace was broken, not only her obsession with FFL and the persons involved, but also, and even more fundamentaly her obsession with basic TM thinking and theory. To break this, almost anything would have been good enough, and at least it would have given you the illusion, that change is indeed possible. She destroyed this illusion, by returning here and acting out as expected. Finally, by claiming that The_Leak (with a grand total of 9 people posting to it) is healthy and thriving and stealing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Coffee
When you fail to click on the Show History button, we don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Hey, Frivolous Dick Non sequitur. I was replying to Bari2's comment, not to you. Non sequitur. You are not even making any sense. All we want you to do is click on the Show History button and tell us about the free coffee. It's not complicated. Wasn't this why you were kicked out of FFL? Non sequitur. Rick never said anything to me about kicking me out of FFL. Of course, Rick can do what he wants - it's his group. Go take your sequiturs back to The Peek and hide behind the curtain. Non sequitur. Nobody that I know of on The_Peak has been posting any non sequiturs. You'll be at home there repeating your inanities endlessly. Non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith v Facts
Can someone please post any scientific evidence that supports man-made climate change, vaccines that cause autism, or on health care that is harmed by eating GMO foods? On what grounds do scientists make such claims? Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) From: Duveyoung no_reply@yahoogroups.Sacom To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post onother forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness inposts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something muchbetter. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basisof it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'llnext interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have thissame zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping theFFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreantthrow shit-pies into the faces of some very solidthinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by ahands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned tobe civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea ofcommunity. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is thevery heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedlyabrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such ashit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on allof us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep thehate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Yes, Richard, pretty revealing comment by Sal. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Isn't that just like a thug or a bully - say something they don't like or don't agree with and they try to get you banned from the group. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. Was it something I said that upset you? Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here. salyavin808 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:23:54 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change.
