I've learned more about Marshy and his organisation than it's possible to by
googling.
Half the good stuff I learned about the Movement came from you Sal!
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Thanks for posting this, Alex. I'm with Rick on this one. I honestly don't see
in present-day FFL the "abuse" or "bullying" that Buck rants about. I see
pro-TM posts appear without challenge, and I even see the occasional con-TM
posts pass by without challenge. That, to me, speaks of progress.
<snip>
I honestly don't know what the fuck Buck is talking about. I think this place
is just starting to show promise.
I almost unsubscribed the other day. I was typing a post and put a quote in but
I forgot who said it, so I googled it to find the author and it the only
reference I could find was me writing in an absolutely identical post here in
2008!
I'm not someone who likes to cross the same bridge twice so that was almost
enough to tell me it's time to do something else with my tea and advert breaks.
But I looked at what I'd miss if I didn't have FFL. You can learn a lot here,
not just from the heavyweight writers who always have something worth hearing
but unintentionally by the crazies and whiners and clueless who unwittingly
demonstrate that you can meditate your entire life and not display a single
shred of awareness.
And if something exciting happens in our old spiritual alma mater it'll hit FFL
first, I've learned more about Marshy and his organisation than it's possible
to by googling.
And then there's the book and movie recommendations, science updates. This
place has it all!
So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck
and Willytex and Seventhray free. They obviously don't like it here or
appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to
just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find
pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher
ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off
everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed
they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining.
Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why
doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated.
From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, "Is it time
to just shut FFL down?" He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once
a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from
the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the
group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a
shit what goes on, nothing is going to change.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not
protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean
conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the
bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo.
Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In
thinking together, peopleoften may fail in process of creative thought out of
fears to extendthemselves individually in to the collective, for fear of
engagingwith evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may
provokeunfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on
tothemselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process'takes
skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get goodat it, to get
beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too manyof the writers in
character writing here derail creative thinking onFFL by their default to the
assault of the personal invective insteadof just commenting on a substance of
the material brought. Thatabusive character has been really unfortunate for the
larger FFLcommunity.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find
constructive ways of engaging with people. Thattakes kindness, tolerance and
patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be
creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that
by a gripof vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating
in'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of'thinking'
in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems awilling kind
collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process indisconfirmation'. By contrast a
trust in kindness as element hasbeen driven out of Fairfieldlife at
Yahoo-groups by a dominantmethodical use of personal invective in the ad
hominem used as weaponto personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type
of,Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently
thoughtfulconversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to
haveproductive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work herewith the
communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly
disagree here on FFL anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture
that remains on FFL? What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is
a kindness to process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary
enough for there tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is
aculture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and
driven people away.The cultural place that was FFLseems to have been poisoned.
The place evidently has died for lack ofa willing collaboration as an oxygen
that could include other points ofview other than some caustic character of
dominant internet hatersand personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife
atYahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive
unkindness in ad hominem-istic snarkparading as 'intellectual retort', it's the
dominant 'culture' here atFFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community
culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time
thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it
has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become
the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement
community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the
likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as
a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here
in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and
added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people
to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people
around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the
reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned.
FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote,
well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to
post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there
were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so
the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship
does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post
substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just
shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now
gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been
driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing
personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic
here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method
instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about
originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just
another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't
think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good
timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent
retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member
counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is
it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about
Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others
actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by
some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to
conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who
remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives.
Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation
has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think
you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very
good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly
dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently
this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of
travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what
once was Fairfieldlife,Sooooooooooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since
last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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