[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has created neurotoxic reactions in numerous TMers, do you have any info or research findings on That? You being a supposed former practitioner of both programs, do you also imagine spiders crawling on you, Vaj? Wash your hands two dozen times or more a day? Snug down that tinfoil cap dude. Remember just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Very funny Jim. But seriously this guy's every post nowadays has the following keywords - research, TM and pick your favorite disease. And oddly they have taken the shape of pleas and requests and some times outright begging other people - anyone. Let's try an experiment - make a post on FFL with a fake id and with an anti-TM slant and I bet the first response would be from Vaj begging/pleading/requesting to share research on TM's effect in creating pick your favorite disease. The second response - yep, you guessed it from Barry with a rant about you or I or Judy. Very pathetic if you think about it. At least he's stopped his one-trick parrot choking routines on his scripture The Vakra Gita (the mighty twisted scripture).
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: And call me simple if you like - but in unity, who would be besting who? And, more to the point, why? Ahem. Rather than saying it again, I'll just point to the post in which I suggested where MZ was at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280593 Barry, you really have selective memory dontcha? Think, go a little further back, to let's say this - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280106 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280106 Notice how 280106 280593 and remember how I welcomed the celebrity MZ in 280106? I am not convinced that this is true with any of the SEBs (and many of the non-enlightened TM TBs) we've encountered on this forum. It's as if their legends-in-their-own-minds celebrity was completely dependent on associating themselves with another celebrity. And remember these??? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280128 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280128 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280132 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280132 How you ratted on me to MZ??? How you tried to align with the celebrity MZ??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten Spiritually Transmitted Diseases
Great list indeed.. I used to hate #8 Group mind..8. Group Mind: Also described as groupthink, cultic mentality, or ashram disease, group mind is an insidious virus that contains many elements of traditional codependence. A spiritual group makes subtle and unconscious agreements regarding the correct ways to think, talk, dress, and act. Individuals and groups infected with group mind reject individuals, attitudes, and circumstances that do not conform to the often unwritten rules of the group. It really helped me that I was blessed with a partner who exhibited most of these symptoms and caused incredible pain to my small insecure ego using it as tools for her emotional and verbal abuse - this really caused me to be very aware of most of these. #8 always bothered me and a friend of mine recently referred to me at the ashram as an iconoclast, I love to shock people obsessed with words and actions, I get a real high out of it. Its very hard for most to get past their preconceived ideas to just feel and intuit, that the being is beyond the intellect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Great find Rick! I am taking the liberty of pasting these below. Although it is a great name, Spiritually Transmitted Disease, and definitely drew my interest, I would characterize the 10 items mentioned more like transient infections, instead of the more chronic sounding 'disease'. I really enjoyed reading through them and remembering when I had each infection (many of them at the same time, like 3,4,7 and 9). This is a very helpful list, because spiritual infections mess with our very identity, with no direct physical symptoms, and are much harder to recognize when infection has set in, so to be aware of them like this may be helpful. Good stuff (in accordance with the amended charter of FFL, this is post 50 or close enough, so 'hasta la mayonnaise' 'til next week):-) The following 10 categorizations are not intended to be definitive but are offered as a tool for becoming aware of some of the most common spiritually transmitted diseases. 1. Fast-Food Spirituality: Mix spirituality with a culture that celebrates speed, multitasking, and instant gratification and the result is likely to be fast-food spirituality. Fast-food spirituality is a product of the common and understandable fantasy that relief from the suffering of our human condition can be quick and easy. One thing is clear, however: spiritual transformation cannot be had in a quick fix. 2. Faux Spirituality: Faux spirituality is the tendency to talk, dress, and act as we imagine a spiritual person would. It is a kind of imitation spirituality that mimics spiritual realization in the way that leopard-skin fabric imitates the genuine skin of a leopard. 3. Confused Motivations: Although our desire to grow is genuine and pure, it often gets mixed with lesser motivations, including the wish to be loved, the desire to belong, the need to fill our internal emptiness, the belief that the spiritual path will remove our suffering, and spiritual ambitionthe wish to be special, to be better than, to be the one. 4. Identifying with Spiritual Experiences: In this disease, the ego identifies with our spiritual experience and takes it as its own, and we begin to believe that we are embodying insights that have arisen within us at certain times. In most cases, it does not last indefinitely, although it tends to endure for longer periods of time in those who believe themselves to be enlightened and/or who function as spiritual teachers. 5. The Spiritualized Ego: This disease occurs when the very structure of the egoic personality becomes deeply embedded with spiritual concepts and ideas. The result is an egoic structure that is bullet-proof. When the ego becomes spiritualized, we are invulnerable to help, new input, or constructive feedback. We become impenetrable human beings and are stunted in our spiritual growth, all in the name of spirituality. 6. Mass Production of Spiritual Teachers: There are a number of current trendy spiritual traditions that produce people who believe themselves to be at a level of spiritual enlightenment, or mastery, that is far beyond their actual level. This disease functions like a spiritual conveyor belt: put on this glow, get that insight, andbam! you're enlightened and ready to enlighten others in similar fashion. The problem is not that such teachers instruct but that they represent themselves as having achieved spiritual mastery. 7. Spiritual Pride: Spiritual pride arises when the practitioner, through years of labored effort, has actually attained a certain level of wisdom and uses that attainment to justify shutting down to further experience. A feeling of spiritual superiority is another symptom of this spiritually transmitted disease. It manifests as a subtle feeling that I am better, more wise, and above others because I am spiritual. 8. Group Mind: Also described as groupthink, cultic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Practicing SSRS's Sahaj Samadi versus TM/TMSP
Thanks for your comments Vaj. I don't think I understood all your points. From the the first 3 paragraphs I understood you were hinting at stages in awakening and I do agree. You also indicate some who have temporary experiences and some who rise andf all and that makes sense as well. From my perspective it has been a rise and coast. The coast phase is much longer allowing the body and mind to integrate the energies that were received during the rise. The rise phases much shorter and intense with overwhelming energy and much cleansing. After all, we've all fallen at least once, no? - not sure if you were referring to my behavior here on the list? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done. It might be helpful to understand that in the SS and commentaries, we're talking about the transition between the first and the second thirds of the three major awakenings (from the perspective of the unawakened). That's only 33% of the the SS View. It's not 'all about effort'. But what the Kashmirian masters of awakening so masterfully distinguish is not merely how we rise: they tell us how to recognize someone who may have attained a wonderful temporary experience, but is someone who rises and falls (and rises and falls). Hell, they even do it on email lists nowadays! The actual consumption into the Shakti Path level of realization occurs after prayatnah sÄdhakah, but also includes. It's popular in neoadvaita to state that the enlightened state is inscrutable and that's partially true for a rare number of beings IMO. But gawd what a great out. What such a claimant forgets, it's not the rising that is so recognizable, but the rising and falling of yogis. After all, we've all fallen at least once, no?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post count. Notice the following 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com I have seen something similar with yifuxero Yifu Xero combo as well. So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so far would be as follows 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...2 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011 48 authfriend jstein@... 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... 34 yifuxero yifuxero@... 32 WillyTex willytex@... 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@... 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com 24 Vaj vajradhatu@... 24 Rick Archer rick@... 21 sparaig LEnglish5@... 20 Bhairitu noozguru@... 17 Peter drpetersutphen@... 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@... 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@... 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... 10 wgm4u wgm4u@... 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Joe geezerfreak@... 7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 6 PaliGap compost1uk@... 3 martyboi martyboi@... 2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 raunchydog raunchydog@... 2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 jpgillam jpgillam@... 2 feste37 feste37@... 2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@... 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 2 John jr_esq@... 2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@... 2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@... 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@... 1 seekliberation seekliberation@... 1 parsleysage meowthirteen@... 1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 m 13 meowthirteen@... 1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 SwedaK sweda108@... 1 Robert babajii_99@... 1 Dick Mays dickmays@... Posters: 46 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and all other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-) My count 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@... wrote: I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post count. Notice the following 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com I have seen something similar with yifuxero Yifu Xero combo as well. So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so far would be as follows 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011 48 authfriend jstein@ 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 34 yifuxero yifuxero@ 32 WillyTex willytex@ 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@ 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com 24 Vaj vajradhatu@ 24 Rick Archer rick@ 21 sparaig LEnglish5@ 20 Bhairitu noozguru@ 17 Peter drpetersutphen@ 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@ 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@ 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 10 wgm4u wgm4u@ 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Joe geezerfreak@ 7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 6 PaliGap compost1uk@ 3 martyboi martyboi@ 2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 raunchydog raunchydog@ 2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 jpgillam jpgillam@ 2 feste37 feste37@ 2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@ 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 2 John jr_esq@ 2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@ 2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@ 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@ 1 seekliberation seekliberation@ 1 parsleysage meowthirteen@ 1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 m 13 meowthirteen@ 1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 SwedaK sweda108@ 1 Robert babajii_99@ 1 Dick Mays dickmays@ Posters: 46 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Well I already did..:-). All you have to do is hide my email and your scripts lists me as 2 different persons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to cheat. It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with accounts. For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via email and via web. If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'. On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and all other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-) My count 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009no_reply@ wrote: I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post count. Notice the following 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com I have seen something similar with yifuxero Yifu Xero combo as well. So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so far would be as follows 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011 48 authfriend jstein@ 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 34 yifuxero yifuxero@ 32 WillyTex willytex@ 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@ 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com 24 Vaj vajradhatu@ 24 Rick Archer rick@ 21 sparaig LEnglish5@ 20 Bhairitu noozguru@ 17 Peter drpetersutphen@ 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@ 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@ 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 10 wgm4u wgm4u@ 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Joe geezerfreak@ 7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 6 PaliGap compost1uk@ 3 martyboi martyboi@ 2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 raunchydog raunchydog@ 2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 jpgillam jpgillam@ 2 feste37 feste37@ 2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@ 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 2 John jr_esq@ 2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@ 2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@ 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@ 1 seekliberation seekliberation@ 1 parsleysage meowthirteen@ 1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 m 13 meowthirteen@ 1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 SwedaK sweda108@ 1 Robert babajii_99@ 1 Dick Mays dickmays@ Posters: 46 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Aah, what would my work life be without my favorite utility grep..:-). On that mundane note let me not post until next week - I have made my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Except that the script just pulls info from a log that has more information. I had thought about adding another section into the script that would have provided an email dump too for Alex to use if he suspects something. However this can also be done simply using grep. On 01/26/2011 09:36 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: Well I already did..:-). All you have to do is hide my email and your scripts lists me as 2 different persons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I wrote the PHP script and the possibility is known so don't try to cheat. It's more that Yahoo has a weird way of dealing with accounts. For instance you have to use a different handle if you log in via email and via web. If I post using the web I have a lower case 'b'. On 01/26/2011 07:37 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: So I can brazenly cheat and post up to 100 messages - hope Judy and all other sprint to 50 posters pay attention to this..:-) My count 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 3 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009no_reply@ wrote: I have notice this before as well, but there is a bug in the post count. Notice the following 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com I have seen something similar with yifuxero Yifu Xero combo as well. So I'm going to take advantage of it while it's fixed, my counts so far would be as follows 49 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 22 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011 581 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 27 00:13:30 2011 48 authfriend jstein@ 48 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ 40 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 34 yifuxero yifuxero@ 32 WillyTex willytex@ 30 Tom Pall thomas.pall@ 28 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com 24 Vaj vajradhatu@ 24 Rick Archer rick@ 21 sparaig LEnglish5@ 20 Bhairitu noozguru@ 17 Peter drpetersutphen@ 17 Buck dhamiltony2k5@ 16 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ 15 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ 13 RoryGoff rorygoff@ 12 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 10 wgm4u wgm4u@ 10 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Joe geezerfreak@ 7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 6 PaliGap compost1uk@ 3 martyboi martyboi@ 2 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 raunchydog raunchydog@ 2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 jpgillam jpgillam@ 2 feste37 feste37@ 2 Yifu Xero yifuxero@ 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 2 John jr_esq@ 2 Champs Ulysses Cabinatan yulezest143@ 2 Bill Coop williamgcoop@ 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 seventhray1 steve.sundur@ 1 seekliberation seekliberation@ 1 parsleysage meowthirteen@ 1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 m 13 meowthirteen@ 1 dharmacentral no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 SwedaK sweda108@ 1 Robert babajii_99@ 1 Dick Mays dickmays@ Posters: 46 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: This one is for Turqster
God is not an argument, it is a fulfillment, a feeling of fulfillment. You may have observed that whenever you are discontent, you want to deny God. Whenever you are dissatisfied, your whole being wants to say: There is no God. Atheism is not out of logic, it is out of discontent. You may rationalize it -- that's another thing. You may not say you are an atheist because you are discontent. You may say: There is no God and I have got proofs. But that is not the true thing. If you are satisfied, suddenly your whole being says: THERE is god. Suddenly you feel it! The whole existence becomes divine. If love is there you will be really for the first time in the feeling that existence is divine and everything is a blessing. But much has to be done before this can happen. Much has to be destroyed before this can happen. You have to destroy all that creates barriers in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote: Did I say I meant 'real' religion? (Not that you believe there is such a thing). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: In response to his persistent message that the world would be better off if we all were just more religious. Proud of the company you keep, Billy? Westboro Baptist Church To Picket Funerals Of Arizona Shooting Victims http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizon\ \ a_n_806319.html Westboro Baptist Church, the Topeka church known for its inflammatory anti-gay protests, plans to picket the funerals of the six people gunned down in Arizona http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shot-c_n_80\ \ 6211.html on Saturday. In a flier posted on its web site, the controversial church writes, THANK GOD FOR THE SHOOTER -- 6 DEAD! The message continues: God appointed this rod for your sins! God sent the shooter! This hateful nation unleashed violent veterans on the servants of God at WBC--hoping to silence our kind warning to obey God and flee the wrath to come. The flier claims that the shooting of both a House member and a federal judge -- the latter of whom was killed http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/judge-john-roll-dead-killed_n_\ \ 806239.html -- is god's punishment for judicial and Congressional action against the WBC. God sent the shooter to shoot you! And He's sitting in Heaven laughing at you! the announcement reads. In graphic language, it continues: Your federal judge is dead and your (fag-promoting, baby-killing, proud-sinner) Congresswoman fights for her life. God is avenging Himself on this rebellious house! WBC prays for your destruction--more shooters, more dead carcasses piling up, young, old, leader and commoner--all. Your doom is upon you! In December, Westboro Baptist Church picketed the funeral http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/elizabeth-edwards-funeral-west\ \ boro-baptist-church_n_794333.html of Elizabeth Edwards. The group is known to display signs that say God Hates Fags and Thank God For Dead Soldiers.
[FairfieldLife] Another one for Turqster, the man caught up in words !!
People get puzzled into beautiful words, trick themselves and others. Two men met at a bar and struck up a conversation. After a while one of them said, You think you have family problems? Listen to my situation. A few years ago I met a young widow with a grown-up daughter and we got married. Later, my father married my stepdaughter. That made my stepdaughter my stepmother, and my father became my stepson. Also, my wife became the mother-in-law of her father-in-law. Then the daughter of my wife, my stepmother, had a son. This boy was my half brother because he was my father's son, but he was also the son of my wife's daughter, which made him my wife's grandson. That made me the grandfather of my half brother. This was nothing until my wife and I had a son. Now the sister of my son, my mother-in-law, is also my grandmother. This makes my father the brother-in-law of my child, whose stepsister is my father's wife. I am my stepmother's brother-in-law; my wife is her own child's aunt, my son is my father's nephew and I am my own grandfather. And you think you have family problems? Don't get tricked with the words like the Turqster !!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...
RD, My message was a pun on the Turqster. Spirituality is subjective, right brain thing too. Turqster is so traumatized by his wounds caused by his associations with false Gurus that he fails to realize the contradictions in his words. He has no problem relating his subjective experiences with the nature but reacts in a very negative and deceptive manner if someone does the same with their spiritual experiences - feel sorry for him really. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Art *is* subjective. Just try to analyze Van Gogh or Monet and all you'll conclude is that one guy cut off an ear and the other guy didn't get out much. See beauty with your heart. Either you feel it or you don't. It's a right brain thang. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@ wrote: Please no subjective experiences, we need to clearly understand why we should enjoy these pictures. Explain clearly as to why we should enjoy these pictures in a 2 to 3 paragraph essay. Please include 1) Clear examples of at least 3 people who have had a noticeable difference in their life that would muster up to scientific inquiry after visiting these places. Everyone should include theri bios, medical history, X-Rays, CAT scans etc.2) These experiences shouldn't be subjective (what the fuck does enjoyable and magical mean anyway?)3) No one should be an authority, should not quote any poet, mystic, Gurus, no adjectives period..4) Anything else you deem necessary for us to clearly, methodically and logically analyze this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: ...passed along for your enjoyment. The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day for a year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year timescape: [http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg] http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked Arches National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four Corners area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical as a result: [http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg] http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Aah..the trickster Turqster, the skeptic of the skeptics, The Skeptic Guru's back, spewing the same old retarded bullshit. Its not the people who are narcissistic, its the practices that are narcissistic. Hail to his wisdom...LOL. Poor Turq, he has been carrying around the corpse of his trust to flog people around with. You can repeat dead practices, dead mantras buts its of no use, practices and mantras get the power from the realized Mahatmas. But if the seeker is genuine even an incorrect practice leads to self-realization. How can an inanimate thing have power? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. Patrick, earlier today I read your request above and only two phrases popped to my mind when I tried to describe my feelings about the supposed Maharishi Effect: narcissism and self-importance. I decided not to reply, because I didn't think that very many who have invested heavily *in* that narcissism and self-importance would get what I'm suggesting is wrong with a practice that is IMO almost completely based in narcissism and self-importance. Interestingly, a few hours later I ran across this interesting blog on Huffpost. In it, Rabbi Alan Lurie put my feelings into words better than I could have. Emphasis (bolding) below is mine. The Allure of Narcissistic Spirituality http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/the-allure-of-spiritual-\ \ n_b_803415.html Several months ago, my wife and I attended a prayer service at a synagogue that is well known for its spiritual, and spirited, approach. As we entered, the rabbi was leading a meditation. Close your eyes and breathe in the peace of Shabbat [the Sabbath]. she said. And on the out-breathe imagine that you are sending healing love to all beings. We passed a man who appeared to be deep in meditation. His eyes were closed, and through a slightly opened smile he slowly breathed in and out. As we moved to our seats, I accidentally stepped on his toe. He quickly turned toward me; his smile vanished and he angrily hissed, Hey, watch it, buddy! In the irony of a person being angry at a stranger for accidentally interrupting his meditation about universal, unconditional love, this man demonstrated the disturbing, alluring and all-too common phenomenon of spiritual narcissism. To understand spiritual narcissism we must first understand the word spirituality. My acting definition is, The experience of a transformative connection. In other words, spirituality is experienced -- it is not a concept or construct. It transforms us. It changes how we act, think and feel in all environments. And it is a connection -- a profound contact with something and someone outside of our selves. All three of these components are needed in order for spirituality to occur, but the most essential is that it be a connection -- between a person and the Divine, or between one person and another. Spiritual practices are designed to facilitate these connections, and begin with the knowledge that we have two selves: an ego-self and a true-Self. The ego-self is built on our strategy for ensuring that we are physically safe, stemming from our interpretation of the experiences of our lives (primarily our childhood) in which we determined what was required in order to survive. The ego-self may need to impress, dominate or control and sees others as either threats or tools. There is nothing inherently wrong with the ego-self; it is a necessary structure put in place so that we can survive in physical reality. But it is not who we really are, and we can not make a spiritual connection from it. Our true-Self, however, which is often referred to as our soul, contains the very purpose that we incarnated, and is in constant connection with Spirit/Consciousness/Creation/God. It sees others as fellow souls with equally needed purposes, and has compassion for the suffering that comes from the ego-self's attachment to things. Spiritual practices help us to loosen the grip of the ego-self and to connect to the true-Self, so that we can live purposefully, be of service and participate in love. The central Biblical injunction to Love your neighbor as yourself is usually interpreted to mean that we must learn to love others, with the assumption that we already love ourselves. Literally translated, though, this line actually reads, And you will [in the future tense] love your fellow in the same way that you love yourself. In other words, we will love another to the extent and in the way that we love ourselves. If you are harsh with yourself, you will be harsh with others. If you can not forgive yourself,
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: That's just my approach to the spiritual smorgasbord. I hold NO ONE to be an absolute authority. NO ONE. They were just guys -- and the occasional gal -- who had OPINIONs, that's all. Those OPINIONs are of use to me only if intuitively they seem to match my real-life experience. Two keywords The Turqster always uses is authority and real life experience. Why Authority is the first keyword? Turqster's experiences with false Guru have scarred him so much that any word that somehow resembles coming from an authority (unless of course it's his experience..LOL, I know..a contradiction...but please don't make a big fuss about it) results in full blown outbreak of his SPC. To newcomers SPC stands for Small Penis Complex, a horrible disease that he suffers because of the aforementioned reasons. So anyone who comes in sharing anything remotely to do with any spiritual awakening or experiences(Jim, Rory et al.) he responds in a highly childish, petulant manner. So I please request everyone to let me handle this matter as his personal physician and please show him all the love and compassion he surely deserves. No personal attacks on Turqster will be tolerated by me. Why real life experience is the second keyword? This is a logical corollary if you understand his distaste of authority, his wounds and traumas resulting in SPC. The use of Intuition by Trickster, errTurqster is just a distraction here, don't get confused. Because of his SPC, Turqster completely discards heart and intuition in favor his intellect. And he uses his logic only and discards all subjective experiences, feelings, emotions. Alas the poor fellow doesn't realize that Intellect is very cunning, is a servant of the ego and not of the higher self. Intellect is a whore, it goes to the highest bidder..LOL..but shhshh...I request everyone to just play along with that whore of his...rest assured Ravi Yogi's on it and things are under control.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: Steve, because you're one of the few people here who actually seems to perceive the FFL trends accurately, I'll respond. I do so even though I have been trying my best to stay out of the shit since returning. Don't bullshit Turqy, not only can't you resist this shit but during your so called sabbatical you most likely were digging deep into this shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...
Please no subjective experiences, we need to clearly understand why we should enjoy these pictures. Explain clearly as to why we should enjoy these pictures in a 2 to 3 paragraph essay. Please include 1) Clear examples of at least 3 people who have had a noticeable difference in their life that would muster up to scientific inquiry after visiting these places. Everyone should include theri bios, medical history, X-Rays, CAT scans etc.2) These experiences shouldn't be subjective (what the fuck does enjoyable and magical mean anyway?)3) No one should be an authority, should not quote any poet, mystic, Gurus, no adjectives period..4) Anything else you deem necessary for us to clearly, methodically and logically analyze this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: ...passed along for your enjoyment. The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day for a year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year timescape: [http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg] http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked Arches National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four Corners area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical as a result: [http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg] http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: But it *does* seem to push buttons in some others. They -- again, after all these decades -- seem to be still caught in the samskara of Criticize my spiritual teacher and you're criticizing *me*. I'm sorry, but I find that 'tude sad and not worth wasting any time on. And the 'tude of a classic SPC'er like Turqster is talk about yourself and your experiences or praise your Guru, then you are criticizing me...pathetic if it was not an ROTFL moment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shani Claus
Thanks Rory. Psychosis occurred at the end of my Kundalini high - the first time for a few hours in Nov 09 and the second in late May for 4 days, my highs ranged from 3 weeks the first time and 5 the next. The psychosis was nothing but an ego coping mechanism of the peak and after the peak the energy dissipated slowly in a week or two. There would a crash after as I made sense of what had happened giving rise to a new understanding, balance and integration. I felt I transitioned to a new state or vibration where I felt, to borrow your terms - crucified and resurrected..:-), some made fun of it but it's just a beautiful metaphor. I could compare psychosis with fever. Fever being a coping mechanism of the body to deal with invading parasites whereas psychosis being the result of the body-mind-ego trying to deal with the overwhelming energy that was descending in droves (from an ego perspective it was invasion). So psychosis was a survival mechanism similar to fever, in fact I thought I was dying, many times. My kid used to have a shirt that had the words survivor kid on it. The mind is the real survivor kid, its survival instinct is so great that I find it hilarious. With the grace of Guru or the existence I was able to reach this insanely sane state..:-). Fever is not sickness, it is a sign of healing, it is a doorway to becoming healthy. In a similar way psychosis was a sure sign that Her work was coming to an end and that I was on the verge on becoming healthy again and be healed, that I would be reaching home, sweet home soon. There are stupid doctors and retarded psychologists not to forget the patients themselves who will condemn fever and psychosis, this list has a few but they miss the point - you can attack the fever and the psychosis but you stop the healing. When I was high I made a video and comments on this list that - I was both the doctor and the patient - everyone missed the metaphor. Love - Ravi. P.S - loved the Home Tat Sat part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote: Beautifully put, Ravi, many thanks! And I wouldn't be too quick to label your kundalini-episode a psychosis. If anything, She was removing pyschoses, but even amidst your bumpy ride, you have always looked quite sane to me (FWIW). Home Tat Sat! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I was a bit shocked when you just said nothing happens and left it at that. Yes everything happens but nothing does happen, Nothingness is indeed a beautiful word, it is expansive yet is nothing in the dictionary sense. The comment on the stories of growth through archetypes is spot on - during my Kundalini psychosis I felt like I was playing the roles of my father, my mother, my brother and my son. I was the victim, the aggressor; the hunter and hunted, saint and sinner, the pain, wounds that were healed was tremendous - it was just surreal. Yet after all that I felt like I was just sitting at home in peace and really nothing happened even though it felt like I wandered all over the world to reach home..:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Yes, Vaj, a pretty long nothing by some standards. Does nothing have to be short in your world? In mine, nothing includes everything throughout the realms of spacetime -- that is, everything appears to happen, but in reality, doesn't. That includes the stories of growth perceived through our Inner Archetypes, including the various dramas of hurt, victimization, rage, rescue, demons, angels, subtle realms, ignorance, enlightenment, growth, and so on. All real enough on their own levels, to be sure, but really, just more of me to love! I am very, very fat! A big, fat nothing! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:34 PM, RoryGoff wrote: Actually not, Vaj. For me the various Initiations, like all models of growth and progress, are actually themselves stories or dramas of our inner Archetypes: powerful, moving, enjoyable, supremely useful for self-exploration, but ultimately unreal. Really, nothing ever happens! :-D Pretty long nothing: Rory Goff: A Spiritual Autobiography
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shani Claus
Oh no ! Pally's crying out for help. Can the legendary psychologist Dr. Steven Anderson help him please.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:09 AM, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote: (Personally, I am currently most inspired by the perennial or Aeonial Christ and YAHU-SHWA and Magdalene and Apostles which are ever and always incarnating within each of Us...) I follow the wisdom my Rice Crispies speak to me when I pour milk on them in the morning and the eternal truths the bubbles in my Inner Light Beer tell me in the evening.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of God talk by Maharishi, 1964
No, Grace is the pimp and you are the whore. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:29 PM, wgm4u wrote: In Sant Mat they believe you need a Sat Guru to get grace...how can that be? Grace is obviously a prostitute.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of God talk by Maharishi, 1964
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: MMY's statement is vague. First, he needs to define Grace; and give the evidence that it's all-pervading. How can one give the evidence for it when you are in it - all you need is the distance, a little separation - That's the whole point of meditation. You need to be like Sandy in Spongebob Squarepants, develop the glass dome through which you can see this ocean of grace. Do people breathe it in? If so, what are the results.? Yes. There's no result, it supports everything. Is MMY conflating pure Consciousness with Grace? Yes. How about the Blessings of God. Are the people of Haiti being helped by this? If so, how. Define help, is suffering being cursed? Are good health and wealth a sign of blessing? Can evil people acquire this Grace?...or does it transcend good and evil. Define evil and good. But in a general sense yes it transcends the dualities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvosteen monroe1@ wrote: The Grace of God 29 December 1964, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi speaking to a course at Bad Mergentheim, Germany Question: How do we make the grace of God come to us? Maharishi: Grace of God is all-pervading. It's always present. It's not that it comes; it is that we begin to make use of it. . . . There is nothing new that is to come; it has already come. It has not started with us as long as we have not started with it. The grace of God, the blessing of God, help from God, doesn't come from anywhere. It is already there. Just like the air, it's already there. Now it is up to us to breathe it or not to breathe it. If we don't breathe, we begin to suffer. If we breathe, we begin to be normal. snip In Sant Mat they believe you need a Sat Guru to get grace...how can that be?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of God talk by Maharishi, 1964
And so you think grace gets filtered through a Guru? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: I haven't seen much actual evidence of Grace; independent of one's Guru. If it (whatever it is) came from MMY, I would spit on it. However, I would accept some of it coming from legitimate Gurus such as Ramana Maharshi, Kirpal Singh, and various Buddhists such as Norbu Rinpoche, Lama Zopa, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvosteen monroe1@ wrote: You need a guru to become aware of God's grace in your life. That is correct, the Guru doesn't have his hand 'on the tap' so to speak!! It's cult worship to think otherwise
